Camp Battles / Browns Training Camp 2021

Orion

@sdbacker80 said:

We don’t have to move on Davis until his suspension ends. I believe he’s protected from being picked up the first two weeks of the season

Yeah, the suspension news came out after I posted my thoughts.

jcam222

@ballpeen said:

I agree, we need to keep Davis. I know Higgy is liked by many, but is he so good he can't be replaced?

I think you have to factor in his obvious chemistry with Baker. Every-time Higgins has been given a chance he delivers.

Unsympathetic

@jcam222 said:

Every-time Higgins has been given a chance he delivers.

Except when he doesn't. Davis' 2021 hands have been a lot better than the 2021 version of both Higgins and Hodge, and Davis can beat people both deep and from the slot. Obviously, Higgins has more reps/catches with Baker over the years.. but let the past be past. And Davis saves over 1M salary vs both Higgins and Hodge.

Either the preseason 2021 version of Higgins has actually regressed.. or he stayed the same while Davis and DPJ broad-jumped over him. This is certainly a good problem to have, but Davis is simply more athletic and in 2021 is the better player vs Higgins. If we have to pick 5, Higgins is my 5th which cuts Hodge after the suspension. And yes, I'd rather play Higgins on ST even if he's 20 pounds lighter than Hodge.. no WR is going to be the same as a LB/TE for hitting on ST.

SdBacker80

You have to keep Preifer happy he raves about Elijah Lee and he’s raved about Hodge. One of those two has to stay for ST purposes.

And What I’ve seen From Davis although limited- He needs to be kept.

So is the “tough” cut here Mack Wilson?

2022 is a year away but the WR Corp next season and the potential turnover…I don’t want to lose any these guys…tough decisions ahead for sure

Orion

Zombo said:

I think you are a little over-pumped by Davis, who was on the streets a few weeks ago.

Higgins is a proven commodity. 1M in salary is nothing.

Z

Yes, the money isn't really a factor. But don't forget, not much over a year ago Higgins wasn't even on the team. He couldn't sign with anyone else and finally worked out a deal to come back to us. And for quite some time he couldn't get into a game. He may have even been inactive for a game. - I always think back to Chris Collinsworth during a prime time game saying, "He's not fast, he doesn't run particularly good routes...but he seems to have a chemistry with Baker Mayfield." I actually wouldn't be overly surprised if he wound up being the odd man out. I just don't think they view him as a top flight receiver in the making.

Unsympathetic

@orion said:

"He's not fast, he doesn't run particularly good routes"

Lee Corso said several times about his Indiana teams “We’re not very big, but we sure are slow.”

If the best they can describe someone is a one-liner fit for an opening act, he's not very good.

Not disputing Higgins is OK - but on a championship team I hope we can have higher standards. And for an end-of-roster, I'd take the guy with a plus upside. Or, as has been said before, perhaps they want the WR roster spots below WR3 to be more focused on ST, and maybe Hodge does that better than Davis.. but both would be better than Higgins.

Dutch Oven

@sdbacker80 said:

2022 is a year away but the WR Corp next season and the potential turnover…I don’t want to lose any these guys…tough decisions ahead for sure

I keep having this nagging feeling that Landry is going to hit the wall soon.

And OBJ hasn't been OBJ in what, four years?

The WR room is probably going to look very different this time next year.

Ibleedbrown

@dutch-oven said:

I keep having this nagging feeling that Landry is going to hit the wall soon.

Nooooo! He’s gonna play and be effective until he’s 40, and then he’s gonna become the team chaplain and get paid to bless everyone until he retires at age 82 and a half.

SdBacker80

@dutch-oven said:

I keep having this nagging feeling that Landry is going to hit the wall soon.

And OBJ hasn't been OBJ in what, four years?

The WR room is probably going to look very different this time next year.

yes it will very different next year.

I have more faith in Landry (football IQ and route running prowess) over OBJ who relies more on his physical gifts and has a longer injury history.

Orion

@dutch-oven said:

I keep having this nagging feeling that Landry is going to hit the wall soon.

I love Landry. My only gripe with him is that he's a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty waiting to happen. And this year they're really focusing on that rule. My understanding is that the league used Landry plays in their instructional video.