Higgins

nickers

@unsympathetic said:

Landry played hurt much of last year and couldn't beat press-man from anyone especially BAL, is on IR now.. I think Landry is gone after 2021 because for whatever reason he can't stay healthy.

It's a cold world but this is life.

Neither can OBJ... OBJ hasnt had a great season in 5 years...

jiggins7919

@browns52 said:

we don't do well against mobile qb's.do we......tt was having his way big time....we would have lost if not for the hamme......we dodged a bullet...

That bullet coming back to Cleveland Sunday in the form of Justin Fields. I fully anticipate a typical Bears shit show type game. Holding penalties, deflected passes, and whatever else...the Bears ALWAYS muddy the waters.

If we're winning in the second half, I could see our running game finally coming alive, but I don't expect to run the ball early. Why? Because the Bears are going to SELL OUT against the run, and they actually have the ability to stop it. You remember that Titans win last year? We all expected Chubb vs Henry to be a ground game bonanza but instead we assaulted the Titans through the air. Don't be surprised if we do that again, continuing the trend of our short passing game and taking calculated deep shots.

Dutch Oven

What I'm looking forward to is for people in real-time Sunday commenting about how the Browns seemingly can't generate a pass rush, but come Monday some obscure stat tells the same people that we have really good pass rushers, and that what they saw on Sunday wasn't really what they saw. ?

Regarding Landry, I have this nagging worry, and have had it since the end of the season, that he's starting to hit the wall regarding his productivity.

jiggins7919

@dutch-oven said:

What I'm looking forward to is for people in real-time Sunday commenting about how the Browns seemingly can't generate a pass rush, but come Monday some obscure stat tells the same people that we have really good pass rushers, and that what they saw on Sunday wasn't really what they saw. ?

Regarding Landry, I have this nagging worry, and have had it since the end of the season, that he's starting to hit the wall regarding his productivity.

You COULD be right, but it's also a side effect of our offensive strategy as a whole. We simply do not throw to WRs that many times a game. We run it a lot, we throw to TEs, and we spread the ball around. It's so tough for anyone to get 7-8 receptions.

Still, you could be right. I guess we'll see, but I still love the guy so much. The real thing I want to see is OBJ. While I expect SOME level of "pitch count", I don't believe it'll be drastic. If all goes well OBJ will have 6 receptions for 75+ yards.

mjp28

@nickers said:

Neither can OBJ... OBJ hasnt had a great season in 5 years...

Well his TD numbers have gone down since 2016 but he did have two 1,000+ yard seasons after that -and- he was injured in 2020 and 2017 so 2021 just might be a put up or shut up season. We'll see when he actually shows up on the field.

........ edit add, are these near HOF numbers ? Can he still turn it on ?

Career stats

Year	Team	REC	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD

2020	Browns	23	319	13.9	43	3

2019	Browns	74	1,035	14.0	89	4

2018	Giants	77	1,052	13.7	51	6

2017	Giants	25	302	12.1	48	3

2016	Giants	101	1,367	13.5	75	10

2015	Giants	96	1,450	15.1	87	13

2014	Giants	91	1,305	14.3	80	12

Career		487	6,830	14.0	89	51

SdBacker80

@dutch-oven said:

What I'm looking forward to is for people in real-time Sunday commenting about how the Browns seemingly can't generate a pass rush, but come Monday some obscure stat tells the same people that we have really good pass rushers, and that what they saw on Sunday wasn't really what they saw. ?

Regarding Landry, I have this nagging worry, and have had it since the end of the season, that he's starting to hit the wall regarding his productivity.

When you talk about hitting the wall do you mean not improving? I think I’ll take his current top end right now even if he’s capped out potential wise. He was a 100 catch guy on below average teams. That’s not his role now.
He’s a slot guy that threatens a defense enough that he’s not a possession WR. What he lacks in top end speed and burst he makes up in route running and football IQ and up to now he’s had the #1 quality. He’s available.

regarding the defense the sample size is too small…and it is somewhat skewed facing Patrick Mahomes.

I’ll diagnose though and I don’t not watch midweek film. I watch the game I may rewind some plays…But What I see is the QBs (three thus far) we’ve played they have had no problem finding their first read. Confirmed by the fact that most of the time snap…and is ball out. We are debating on here what the issue is…but this is a very loud fact that is hard to ignore.

So what they are seeing pre-snap they understand it and they digest it and ball is out with no surprises post snap from our defense. This is happening in under 3 seconds. We need to get the QB and coordinator thinking a bit and maybe going to a second read and that’s when I think our close calls on sacks turn into sacks.

The Bears are going to be vanilla and then use Justin’s legs…but in the second half when the Bears are down and they have to open it up we will see if we’ve adjusted.

SdBacker80

@mjp28 said:

Well his TD numbers have gone down since 2016 but he did have two 1,000+ yard seasons after that -and- he was injured in 2020 and 2017 so 2021 just might be a put up or shut up season. We'll see when he actually shows up on the field.

........ edit add, are these near HOF numbers ? Can he still turn it on ?

Career stats

Year

Team

REC

YDS

AVG

LNG

TD

2020

Browns

23

319

13.9

43

3

2019

Browns

74

1,035

14.0

89

4

2018

Giants

77

1,052

13.7

51

6

2017

Giants

25

302

12.1

48

3

2016

Giants

101

1,367

13.5

75

10

2015

Giants

96

1,450

15.1

87

13

2014

Giants

91

1,305

14.3

80

12

Career

487

6,830

14.0

89

51

Not HOF numbers…and he’s not in the Terrell Davis short span incredible number category. He needs at least a couple true Pro Bowl type number years 1250 yards 10 TDs and maybe be the key cog or one of the key cogs in a Super Bowl Title.

nickers

I just get the feeling OBJ's best days are behind him... Yes he has great hands... But Mayfield does just fine without him...

Tour2ma

@nickers said:

I just get the feeling OBJ's best days are behind him..

Like many here I resemble that remark. And great hands ain't a bad thing in a WR...

nickers

@tour2ma said:

Like many here I resemble that remark. And great hands ain't a bad thing in a WR...

yeah.. hes got great hands.. But.. He's FRAGILE!