the browns plan at QB going forward.
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i don't think baker is going to be the guy going forward, if he was berry would have signed him already. so what should we do?
1. baker is not worth 40 mil a year.. berry knows it.
2. this QB draft class sucks not really anyone of note. Maybe they draft a developmental QB?
3. free agents pretty much all older guys and retreds..... except for Mitch Trubisky.
that is my vote let baker play his 5th year while grooming trubisky as a backup plan if things dont go well as well as drafting a Developmental QB in next years draft.
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i don't think baker is going to be the guy going forward, if he was berry would have signed him already. so what should we do?
1. baker is not worth 40 mil a year.. berry knows it.
2. this QB draft class sucks not really anyone of note. Maybe they draft a developmental QB?
3. free agents pretty much all older guys and retreds..... except for Mitch Trubisky.
that is my vote let baker play his 5th year while grooming trubisky as a backup plan if things dont go well as well as drafting a Developmental QB in next years draft.
that is my vote let baker play his 5th year while grooming trubisky as a backup plan if things dont go well as well as drafting a Developmental QB in next years draft.
Umm..... nah.
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It’s a long year. Maybe baker gets better. So far I think he is what he is. Average to below average. No way the browns pay him after these first 4 games. It sucks. I want him to be the guy but we haven’t seen it. It’s what it is.
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Zombo said:
Lol ... Baker is the man. He had a poor game! Accuracy is probably off due to left shoulder injury. But he didn't turn it over, and we won!
In fact, he has won 10 of his last 14 starts, with two close losses to the Chiefs, the game where his entire wide receiver corps was out due to covid protocols, and a loss to the Ravens in which he put up 42 on them.
We all saw what he did last year down the stretch, and how accurate he was this year before the injury.
He'll be back to his old self soon, we'll keep winning, and he'll get paid.
Z
I want the browns to win .... the problem is if they sign baker for 40 mill a year he wont have the players around him to pick him up.
it sucks and its hard to hear but baker ISNT a difference maker he needs everything around him perfect to succeed. Take Lamar for example they have like 20 players on IR no WR's a bad Oline and Lamar still makes them competitive.
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Zombo said:
Lol ... Baker is the man. He had a poor game! Accuracy is probably off due to left shoulder injury. But he didn't turn it over, and we won!
In fact, he has won 10 of his last 14 starts, with two close losses to the Chiefs, the game where his entire wide receiver corps was out due to covid protocols, and a loss to the Ravens in which he put up 42 on them.
We all saw what he did last year down the stretch, and how accurate he was this year before the injury.
He'll be back to his old self soon, we'll keep winning, and he'll get paid.
Z
I want the browns to win .... the problem is if they sign baker for 40 mill a year he wont have the players around him to pick him up.
it sucks and its hard to hear but baker ISNT a difference maker he needs everything around him perfect to succeed. Take Lamar for example they have like 20 players on IR no WR's a bad Oline and Lamar still makes them competitive.
I want the browns to win .... the problem is if they sign baker for 40 mill a year he wont have the players around him to pick him up.
it sucks and its hard to hear but baker ISNT a difference maker he needs everything around him perfect to succeed. Take Lamar for example they have like 20 players on IR no WR's a bad Oline and Lamar still makes them competitive.
Lamar made them competitive against one of THEE worst offenses in the NFL. It's like the Tribe - great bull-pen, but zero run support. Almost the exact opposite of the 90's.
While you're at it, you want a "difference maker", but you're willing to take a shot at Trubisky? That's an oxy-Retard.
edit: ALSO, how is Mitch NOT a retread? Is this some belief he can be redeemed from his time in Chicago? At least that would help me understand your line of thinking.
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Zombo said:
Lol ... Baker is the man. He had a poor game! Accuracy is probably off due to left shoulder injury. But he didn't turn it over, and we won!
In fact, he has won 10 of his last 14 starts, with two close losses to the Chiefs, the game where his entire wide receiver corps was out due to covid protocols, and a loss to the Ravens in which he put up 42 on them.
We all saw what he did last year down the stretch, and how accurate he was this year before the injury.
He'll be back to his old self soon, we'll keep winning, and he'll get paid.
Z
I want the browns to win .... the problem is if they sign baker for 40 mill a year he wont have the players around him to pick him up.
it sucks and its hard to hear but baker ISNT a difference maker he needs everything around him perfect to succeed. Take Lamar for example they have like 20 players on IR no WR's a bad Oline and Lamar still makes them competitive.
I want the browns to win .... the problem is if they sign baker for 40 mill a year he wont have the players around him to pick him up.
it sucks and its hard to hear but baker ISNT a difference maker he needs everything around him perfect to succeed. Take Lamar for example they have like 20 players on IR no WR's a bad Oline and Lamar still makes them competitive.
And tell me, exactly, how that is any different than what Baker did last year? Hell, we had so many guys out with COVID issues in the playoffs Mayfield met a key offensive lineman AT the game. Yet somehow we won and were very close to being in the AFC championship game.
Relax, bud. Who knows, in 4 or so Mayfield may end up being our Andy Dalton. But you know what Andy Dalton at least did? Won some fucking football games and made the team fun to watch. Mayfield is the best QB the Browns have had in 20 years, and barring 12+ weeks of play like last week he's getting an extension to be the Browns QB for the next 4-5 years. Mayfield and the Browns aren't dumb-he's not, barring winning a SB ring, going to get a Mahomes contract. Tannehill for example is a great bar for him, although I expect Mayfield to get more (4 years, $118 million).
And look, I get it. We all want the next Aaron Rodgers or Mahomes who walks on water out there. But this team can win for years with the formula in place, and that's a damn welcome change to 20+ years of sucking absolute ass. Our peak can EASILY be a 49ers team that went to the Super Bowl two years ago. Who the hell knows if we get that good, but the potential is there for the first time in my nearly 32 years of being on this planet.
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I want the browns to win .... the problem is if they sign baker for 40 mill a year he wont have the players around him to pick him up.
it sucks and its hard to hear but baker ISNT a difference maker he needs everything around him perfect to succeed. Take Lamar for example they have like 20 players on IR no WR's a bad Oline and Lamar still makes them competitive.
Lamar made them competitive against one of THEE worst offenses in the NFL. It's like the Tribe - great bull-pen, but zero run support. Almost the exact opposite of the 90's.
While you're at it, you want a "difference maker", but you're willing to take a shot at Trubisky? That's an oxy-Retard.
edit: ALSO, how is Mitch NOT a retread? Is this some belief he can be redeemed from his time in Chicago? At least that would help me understand your line of thinking.
Lamar made them competitive against one of THEE worst offenses in the NFL. It's like the Tribe - great bull-pen, but zero run support. Almost the exact opposite of the 90's.
While you're at it, you want a "difference maker", but you're willing to take a shot at Trubisky? That's an oxy-Retard.
edit: ALSO, how is Mitch NOT a retread? Is this some belief he can be redeemed from his time in Chicago? At least that would help me understand your line of thinking.
i think trubisky has a chance to be good. He just had bad coaching in Chicago with nagy.
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i don't think baker is going to be the guy going forward, if he was berry would have signed him already. so what should we do?
1. baker is not worth 40 mil a year.. berry knows it.
2. this QB draft class sucks not really anyone of note. Maybe they draft a developmental QB?
3. free agents pretty much all older guys and retreds..... except for Mitch Trubisky.
that is my vote let baker play his 5th year while grooming trubisky as a backup plan if things dont go well as well as drafting a Developmental QB in next years draft.
i don't think baker is going to be the guy going forward, if he was berry would have signed him already. so what should we do?
1. baker is not worth 40 mil a year.. berry knows it.
2. this QB draft class sucks not really anyone of note. Maybe they draft a developmental QB?
3. free agents pretty much all older guys and retreds..... except for Mitch Trubisky.
that is my vote let baker play his 5th year while grooming trubisky as a backup plan if things dont go well as well as drafting a Developmental QB in next years draft.
1. Possibly, I think we will get a better idea come February.
2. I’m all for lotto ticket 6th, 7th round QB picking…I take that back not the 6th because our GM selects guys like DPJ and Felton. I’ll gladly eat crow on thinking DPJ was a waste like I did two years ago. So 7th round great. Been watching some Tanner Morgan Minnesota QB. Like him a lot with a later pick. These are super lotto type picks for every Tom Brady you get 150 Spergeon Wynns or for every Gardner Minschew you get 50 Kevin Hogans.
3. Mitchell Trubisky was dumped by the Bears. And no don’t want him in place of Baker. Not really crazy about any other Free Agent veteran. Now I’ll entertain your idea- a trade for a QB? what do we give up? and what do we get back?
So you had me kinda until the Trubisky stuff - but I still think Baker can be the guy.
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i don't think baker is going to be the guy going forward, if he was berry would have signed him already. so what should we do?
1. baker is not worth 40 mil a year.. berry knows it.
2. this QB draft class sucks not really anyone of note. Maybe they draft a developmental QB?
3. free agents pretty much all older guys and retreds..... except for Mitch Trubisky.
that is my vote let baker play his 5th year while grooming trubisky as a backup plan if things dont go well as well as drafting a Developmental QB in next years draft.
1. Possibly, I think we will get a better idea come February.
2. I’m all for lotto ticket 6th, 7th round QB picking…I take that back not the 6th because our GM selects guys like DPJ and Felton. I’ll gladly eat crow on thinking DPJ was a waste like I did two years ago. So 7th round great. Been watching some Tanner Morgan Minnesota QB. Like him a lot with a later pick. These are super lotto type picks for every Tom Brady you get 150 Spergeon Wynns or for every Gardner Minschew you get 50 Kevin Hogans.
3. Mitchell Trubisky was dumped by the Bears. And no don’t want him in place of Baker. Not really crazy about any other Free Agent veteran. Now I’ll entertain your idea- a trade for a QB? what do we give up? and what do we get back?
So you had me kinda until the Trubisky stuff - but I still think Baker can be the guy.
1. Possibly, I think we will get a better idea come February.
2. I’m all for lotto ticket 6th, 7th round QB picking…I take that back not the 6th because our GM selects guys like DPJ and Felton. I’ll gladly eat crow on thinking DPJ was a waste like I did two years ago. So 7th round great. Been watching some Tanner Morgan Minnesota QB. Like him a lot with a later pick. These are super lotto type picks for every Tom Brady you get 150 Spergeon Wynns or for every Gardner Minschew you get 50 Kevin Hogans.
3. Mitchell Trubisky was dumped by the Bears. And no don’t want him in place of Baker. Not really crazy about any other Free Agent veteran. Now I’ll entertain your idea- a trade for a QB? what do we give up? and what do we get back?
So you had me kinda until the Trubisky stuff - but I still think Baker can be the guy.
No one knows what Trubisky can be away from Nagy change of scenery like Tannehill might do him good. I think most can look at it as no Qb has looked good with nagy and he might be the problem like Gase with Tannehill and Darnold.
The only reason i said Trubisky is he is going to be the best out of a bad crop of Free agent Qbs next year.
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I've said it before and I stand by it, Baker is not playing like a number one overall pick. He shows flashes he can play like one but just does enough to get us by.
I actually feel bad for Baker because I think he is a genuinely a good guy and is doing everything he can to help the Browns be a winner. But how long are you willing to wait? Our Super Bowl window won't be open forever. So if you have the opportunity to trade for a championship caliber qb, do you give up on Baker?
I don't want to see that, I want Baker to succeed.
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i don't think baker is going to be the guy going forward, if he was berry would have signed him already. so what should we do?
1. baker is not worth 40 mil a year.. berry knows it.
2. this QB draft class sucks not really anyone of note. Maybe they draft a developmental QB?
3. free agents pretty much all older guys and retreds..... except for Mitch Trubisky.
that is my vote let baker play his 5th year while grooming trubisky as a backup plan if things dont go well as well as drafting a Developmental QB in next years draft.
that is my vote let baker play his 5th year while grooming trubisky as a backup plan if things dont go well as well as drafting a Developmental QB in next years draft.
heard of Hue Jackson/Gregg Williams or Freddie Kitchens?
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Baker until we find someone better... and sooner or later we will... but his name will not be Trubisky...because he ain't better... neither now nor whenever.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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i don't think baker is going to be the guy going forward, if he was berry would have signed him already. so what should we do?
1. baker is not worth 40 mil a year.. berry knows it.
2. this QB draft class sucks not really anyone of note. Maybe they draft a developmental QB?
3. free agents pretty much all older guys and retreds..... except for Mitch Trubisky.
that is my vote let baker play his 5th year while grooming trubisky as a backup plan if things dont go well as well as drafting a Developmental QB in next years draft.
i don't think baker is going to be the guy going forward, if he was berry would have signed him already.
That's a fair thought.
Certainly it puts a certain pressure on the player to prove that he should get a bazillion dollar contract. But if you're a true pro, you can go out and just 'play the game' that you've always been so good at. Now, everybody makes mistakes. Odds are, there will be games where ya make more than others. That's life as a human. That said, the teams with the better QB's are the most successful teams. Berry needs to see Baker, in a 2nd season with the same system & coaches, play to a certain level. It's something to watch play out. And hopefully injury(s) will not play into the picture.
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Zombo said:
Lol ... Baker is the man. He had a poor game! Accuracy is probably off due to left shoulder injury. But he didn't turn it over, and we won!
In fact, he has won 10 of his last 14 starts, with two close losses to the Chiefs, the game where his entire wide receiver corps was out due to covid protocols, and a loss to the Ravens in which he put up 42 on them.
We all saw what he did last year down the stretch, and how accurate he was this year before the injury.
He'll be back to his old self soon, we'll keep winning, and he'll get paid.
Z
I want the browns to win .... the problem is if they sign baker for 40 mill a year he wont have the players around him to pick him up.
it sucks and its hard to hear but baker ISNT a difference maker he needs everything around him perfect to succeed. Take Lamar for example they have like 20 players on IR no WR's a bad Oline and Lamar still makes them competitive.
I want the browns to win .... the problem is if they sign baker for 40 mill a year he wont have the players around him to pick him up.
it sucks and its hard to hear but baker ISNT a difference maker he needs everything around him perfect to succeed. Take Lamar for example they have like 20 players on IR no WR's a bad Oline and Lamar still makes them competitive.
Then don't sign him to 40 million a year. Offer him 25 mill a year for 5 years and call it a day. Between his progressive commercials etc he'll be set for life. Problem solved
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Wonder what Kurt Benkert is up to?
Stil hp;ding a clipboard in ATL, but Taylor Heinicke is playing well for the WshFT...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Lets worry about this up coming game against the Chargers. The Chargers just put the Raiders in their place with total dominance on offense and defense. Our OL line needs to protect our QB from being sacked and loss of yards. Our defense better put the Chargers QB in a hurry mood and stop their offense.
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I want the browns to win .... the problem is if they sign baker for 40 mill a year he wont have the players around him to pick him up.
it sucks and its hard to hear but baker ISNT a difference maker he needs everything around him perfect to succeed. Take Lamar for example they have like 20 players on IR no WR's a bad Oline and Lamar still makes them competitive.
Then don't sign him to 40 million a year. Offer him 25 mill a year for 5 years and call it a day. Between his progressive commercials etc he'll be set for life. Problem solved
Then don't sign him to 40 million a year. Offer him 25 mill a year for 5 years and call it a day. Between his progressive commercials etc he'll be set for life. Problem solved
No way baker takes this deal. he will bet on himself in free agency. On top of that are you ready for baker snarky comments about the front office in every interview if they dont give him 40 mil a year?
sounds great for team culture
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