the browns plan at QB going forward.
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Then don't sign him to 40 million a year. Offer him 25 mill a year for 5 years and call it a day. Between his progressive commercials etc he'll be set for life. Problem solved
No way baker takes this deal. he will bet on himself in free agency. On top of that are you ready for baker snarky comments about the front office in every interview if they dont give him 40 mil a year?
sounds great for team culture
No way baker takes this deal. he will bet on himself in free agency. On top of that are you ready for baker snarky comments about the front office in every interview if they dont give him 40 mil a year?
sounds great for team culture
You have no idea what Baker is thinking or what he's gonna do... Let the season play out and see whee it all ends up... He's got this year and next season to right his own ship... The man has one shit game and everyone losses their minds.. Think about how many more good games he's had than the bad ones... Right now.. They're winning with Baker at QB.. As long as that continues... Baker will continue to be the starter here...
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I've said it before and I stand by it, Baker is not playing like a number one overall pick. He shows flashes he can play like one but just does enough to get us by.
I actually feel bad for Baker because I think he is a genuinely a good guy and is doing everything he can to help the Browns be a winner. But how long are you willing to wait? Our Super Bowl window won't be open forever. So if you have the opportunity to trade for a championship caliber qb, do you give up on Baker?
I don't want to see that, I want Baker to succeed.
I've said it before and I stand by it, 1) Baker is not playing like a number one overall pick. He shows flashes he can play like one but just does enough to get us by.
I actually feel bad for Baker because I think he is a genuinely a good guy and is doing everything he can to help the Browns be a winner. But how long are you willing to wait? Our Super Bowl window won't be open forever. 2) So if you have the opportunity to trade for a championship caliber qb, 3) do you give up on Baker?
I don't want to see that, I want Baker to succeed.
1) Well, on some days , he does. As they commented in the NFL.com power rankings today- he's maddeningly inconsistent. Yeah- he's pretty mediocre this year overall. But know who's stats are remarkably similar to Mayfield's? Lamar Jackson's. (you win games when your kicker can nail FGs from 66 yards out, and the other team fumbles on a potential game winning drive)
2) Like who? Um based on the Rams trade it would take two firsts, a third AND Baker to even get a nibble. Interested in Deshawn Watson? I'm not- and I'm sure Berry isn't either.
3) As Zombo said elsewhere, the boo-birds had the pitchforks out for Woods two weeks ago, now everyone is ready to trash Baker after a couple so-so games. Mayfield doesn't have to play up to the level of Mahomes or Allen to win a Super Bowl. And the way this team is set up with a power running game he's never going to have top QB level stats. Andy Dalton took the Bengals to multiple playoff years- and Baker IMHO is better than Dalton. He also has something Andy doesn't- a playoff win. How fast some forget about that here. How long am I willing to wait? Certainly past his option year. Nah- after going through was it something like 20 bust quarterbacks- Quinn, Johnny Football, We-done, Kizer et al... We finally land a decent qb. Now we need the next Mahomes? Never good enough for some guys. Just having a HOF qb is no guarantee you're ever going to win a Super Bowl- ask Fouts, Rivers, and Marino about that.
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I want the browns to win .... the problem is if they sign baker for 40 mill a year he wont have the players around him to pick him up.
it sucks and its hard to hear but baker ISNT a difference maker he needs everything around him perfect to succeed. Take Lamar for example they have like 20 players on IR no WR's a bad Oline and Lamar still makes them competitive.
And tell me, exactly, how that is any different than what Baker did last year? Hell, we had so many guys out with COVID issues in the playoffs Mayfield met a key offensive lineman AT the game. Yet somehow we won and were very close to being in the AFC championship game.
Relax, bud. Who knows, in 4 or so Mayfield may end up being our Andy Dalton. But you know what Andy Dalton at least did? Won some fucking football games and made the team fun to watch. Mayfield is the best QB the Browns have had in 20 years, and barring 12+ weeks of play like last week he's getting an extension to be the Browns QB for the next 4-5 years. Mayfield and the Browns aren't dumb-he's not, barring winning a SB ring, going to get a Mahomes contract. Tannehill for example is a great bar for him, although I expect Mayfield to get more (4 years, $118 million).
And look, I get it. We all want the next Aaron Rodgers or Mahomes who walks on water out there. But this team can win for years with the formula in place, and that's a damn welcome change to 20+ years of sucking absolute ass. Our peak can EASILY be a 49ers team that went to the Super Bowl two years ago. Who the hell knows if we get that good, but the potential is there for the first time in my nearly 32 years of being on this planet.
And tell me, exactly, how that is any different than what Baker did last year? Hell, we had so many guys out with COVID issues in the playoffs Mayfield met a key offensive lineman AT the game. Yet somehow we won and were very close to being in the AFC championship game.
Relax, bud. Who knows, in 4 or so Mayfield may end up being our Andy Dalton. But you know what Andy Dalton at least did? Won some fucking football games and made the team fun to watch. Mayfield is the best QB the Browns have had in 20 years, and barring 12+ weeks of play like last week he's getting an extension to be the Browns QB for the next 4-5 years. Mayfield and the Browns aren't dumb-he's not, barring winning a SB ring, going to get a Mahomes contract. Tannehill for example is a great bar for him, although I expect Mayfield to get more (4 years, $118 million).
And look, I get it. We all want the next Aaron Rodgers or Mahomes who walks on water out there. But this team can win for years with the formula in place, and that's a damn welcome change to 20+ years of sucking absolute ass. Our peak can EASILY be a 49ers team that went to the Super Bowl two years ago. Who the hell knows if we get that good, but the potential is there for the first time in my nearly 32 years of being on this planet.
I'll take prime Andy Dalton over Spergon Wynn.
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I'm surprised so many people took this thread seriously. Mitch Trubisky is the answer? You stay classy, San Diego.
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I've said it before and I stand by it, 1) Baker is not playing like a number one overall pick. He shows flashes he can play like one but just does enough to get us by.
I actually feel bad for Baker because I think he is a genuinely a good guy and is doing everything he can to help the Browns be a winner. But how long are you willing to wait? Our Super Bowl window won't be open forever. 2) So if you have the opportunity to trade for a championship caliber qb, 3) do you give up on Baker?
I don't want to see that, I want Baker to succeed.
1) Well, on some days , he does. As they commented in the NFL.com power rankings today- he's maddeningly inconsistent. Yeah- he's pretty mediocre this year overall. But know who's stats are remarkably similar to Mayfield's? Lamar Jackson's. (you win games when your kicker can nail FGs from 66 yards out, and the other team fumbles on a potential game winning drive)
2) Like who? Um based on the Rams trade it would take two firsts, a third AND Baker to even get a nibble. Interested in Deshawn Watson? I'm not- and I'm sure Berry isn't either.
3) As Zombo said elsewhere, the boo-birds had the pitchforks out for Woods two weeks ago, now everyone is ready to trash Baker after a couple so-so games. Mayfield doesn't have to play up to the level of Mahomes or Allen to win a Super Bowl. And the way this team is set up with a power running game he's never going to have top QB level stats. Andy Dalton took the Bengals to multiple playoff years- and Baker IMHO is better than Dalton. He also has something Andy doesn't- a playoff win. How fast some forget about that here. How long am I willing to wait? Certainly past his option year. Nah- after going through was it something like 20 bust quarterbacks- Quinn, Johnny Football, We-done, Kizer et al... We finally land a decent qb. Now we need the next Mahomes? Never good enough for some guys. Just having a HOF qb is no guarantee you're ever going to win a Super Bowl- ask Fouts, Rivers, and Marino about that.
1) Well, on some days , he does. As they commented in the NFL.com power rankings today- he's maddeningly inconsistent. Yeah- he's pretty mediocre this year overall. But know who's stats are remarkably similar to Mayfield's? Lamar Jackson's. (you win games when your kicker can nail FGs from 66 yards out, and the other team fumbles on a potential game winning drive)
2) Like who? Um based on the Rams trade it would take two firsts, a third AND Baker to even get a nibble. Interested in Deshawn Watson? I'm not- and I'm sure Berry isn't either.
3) As Zombo said elsewhere, the boo-birds had the pitchforks out for Woods two weeks ago, now everyone is ready to trash Baker after a couple so-so games. Mayfield doesn't have to play up to the level of Mahomes or Allen to win a Super Bowl. And the way this team is set up with a power running game he's never going to have top QB level stats. Andy Dalton took the Bengals to multiple playoff years- and Baker IMHO is better than Dalton. He also has something Andy doesn't- a playoff win. How fast some forget about that here. How long am I willing to wait? Certainly past his option year. Nah- after going through was it something like 20 bust quarterbacks- Quinn, Johnny Football, We-done, Kizer et al... We finally land a decent qb. Now we need the next Mahomes? Never good enough for some guys. Just having a HOF qb is no guarantee you're ever going to win a Super Bowl- ask Fouts, Rivers, and Marino about that.
The only way I give up on Baker is if we did a Rams/Lions trade. It would have to be an Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson but we all know hell would freeze over before they would come off either one of those guys.
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I'm surprised so many people took this thread seriously. Mitch Trubisky is the answer? You stay classy, San Diego.
I'm surprised so many people took this thread seriously. Mitch Trubisky is the answer? You stay classy, San Diego.
I'm sure Mitch would love to "come home" but only as a backup to Mayfield. There is a possibility he may eventually land a starter gig somewhere in the NFL as a retread- (most first round QBs do). But it's not going to be in Cleveland.
FWIW, there was an article that the Browns may have to dump Keenum next year as Baker's backup because of cap constraints- but there's probably no way Trubisky would want to take a hometown discount that would make him a cheaper option.
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1) Well, on some days , he does. As they commented in the NFL.com power rankings today- he's maddeningly inconsistent. Yeah- he's pretty mediocre this year overall. But know who's stats are remarkably similar to Mayfield's? Lamar Jackson's. (you win games when your kicker can nail FGs from 66 yards out, and the other team fumbles on a potential game winning drive)
2) Like who? Um based on the Rams trade it would take two firsts, a third AND Baker to even get a nibble. Interested in Deshawn Watson? I'm not- and I'm sure Berry isn't either.
3) As Zombo said elsewhere, the boo-birds had the pitchforks out for Woods two weeks ago, now everyone is ready to trash Baker after a couple so-so games. Mayfield doesn't have to play up to the level of Mahomes or Allen to win a Super Bowl. And the way this team is set up with a power running game he's never going to have top QB level stats. Andy Dalton took the Bengals to multiple playoff years- and Baker IMHO is better than Dalton. He also has something Andy doesn't- a playoff win. How fast some forget about that here. How long am I willing to wait? Certainly past his option year. Nah- after going through was it something like 20 bust quarterbacks- Quinn, Johnny Football, We-done, Kizer et al... We finally land a decent qb. Now we need the next Mahomes? Never good enough for some guys. Just having a HOF qb is no guarantee you're ever going to win a Super Bowl- ask Fouts, Rivers, and Marino about that.
The only way I give up on Baker is if we did a Rams/Lions trade. It would have to be an Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson but we all know hell would freeze over before they would come off either one of those guys.
The only way I give up on Baker is if we did a Rams/Lions trade. It would have to be an Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson but we all know hell would freeze over before they would come off either one of those guys.
Exactly right. The cost of trading for a premier NFL QB is prohibitive. IMHO the Rams gave up way too damn much to get Stafford. Their window is now. Lotsa luck.
It's just me, but mortgaging your future almost never pans out. I don't want to be in that situation,
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Lets worry about this up coming game against the Chargers. The Chargers just put the Raiders in their place with total dominance on offense and defense. Our OL line needs to protect our QB from being sacked and loss of yards. Our defense better put the Chargers QB in a hurry mood and stop their offense.
Our OL line needs to protect our QB
Amen...
The cost of trading for a premier NFL QB is prohibitive. IMHO
Not to mention that most of the elites have a measure of trade control and right now none would want to head to CLE.
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Our OL line needs to protect our QB
Amen...
The cost of trading for a premier NFL QB is prohibitive. IMHO
Not to mention that most of the elites have a measure of trade control and right now none would want to head to CLE.
Amen...
Not to mention that most of the elites have a measure of trade control and right now none would want to head to CLE.
Not too mention... Some Elite QB's have never won a sausage.. Kelly,Marino,Rivers and you could probably throw Tarkenton in there too... By the way... I hope your doing ok...
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I'm surprised so many people took this thread seriously. Mitch Trubisky is the answer? You stay classy, San Diego.
I'm surprised so many people took this thread seriously. Mitch Trubisky is the answer? You stay classy, San Diego.
I things need to be put into perspective in regards to the "thread". Baker has EVERY piece , not only for a young quarterback, but an elite quarterback to thrive with. He has elite receivers, backs, and tight ends, and now an emerging defense.
I am a supporter of Baker but there is no reason now that he can't take the next step. I think the criticism he is getting is fair and I think even he knows he has to be better.
He certainly has more weapons around him than any other Browns qb in the new era.
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I'm surprised so many people took this thread seriously. Mitch Trubisky is the answer? You stay classy, San Diego.
I things need to be put into perspective in regards to the "thread". Baker has EVERY piece , not only for a young quarterback, but an elite quarterback to thrive with. He has elite receivers, backs, and tight ends, and now an emerging defense.
I am a supporter of Baker but there is no reason now that he can't take the next step. I think the criticism he is getting is fair and I think even he knows he has to be better.
He certainly has more weapons around him than any other Browns qb in the new era.
I things need to be put into perspective in regards to the "thread". Baker has EVERY piece , not only for a young quarterback, but an elite quarterback to thrive with. He has elite receivers, backs, and tight ends, and now an emerging defense.
I am a supporter of Baker but there is no reason now that he can't take the next step. I think the criticism he is getting is fair and I think even he knows he has to be better.
He certainly has more weapons around him than any other Browns qb in the new era.
If you consider the relative peanuts he makes today, in comparison to what he will get once his rookie contract is up, he'll probably never have it as good as he has it now. Once he makes real bank, the roster decisions get hard.
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We're not winning a Super Bowl with Baker Mayfield. Period. He's not an elite QB and he can't close games. He has way too many games where he looks like a bottom five QB. There's no way he can string 3-4 solid together against great teams when needed in a Super Bowl run.
I love this 2021 Browns team. It's the best team we've had since the 1980's and I love them no matter what. But a Super Bowl isn't happening with Baker. Our best option is to do exactly what the Rams did this offseason. The Rams had the talent to be Super Bowl contenders this year, but realized they blew chunks at QB with Goff. They made a deal for Stafford for Goff plus two 1st round picks and a third in the offseason. The Browns need to do the same for Aaron Rodgers, assuming things don't end with a Super Bowl win for GB this year. Baker plus a couple first round picks for Rodgers. All time great QB's like Rodgers can play into their early 40's and that would give us a 3-4 year window with Rodgers for multiple shots at a Super Bowl. I don't want to settle for first or second round exits in the playoffs every year.
Side note for Baker this year: I've dislocated my left shoulder 50+ times in my younger sports days. Baker most likely has a torn labrum. The only way to fix it is surgery, even then it's not guaranteed to be 100% successful and has a higher rate for reinjury. I have no doubt that it is affecting him physically and mentally (the fear it's always going to pop out, it hurts like a mf'er).
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We're not winning a Super Bowl with Baker Mayfield. Period. He's not an elite QB and he can't close games. He has way too many games where he looks like a bottom five QB. There's no way he can string 3-4 solid together against great teams when needed in a Super Bowl run.
I love this 2021 Browns team. It's the best team we've had since the 1980's and I love them no matter what. But a Super Bowl isn't happening with Baker. Our best option is to do exactly what the Rams did this offseason. The Rams had the talent to be Super Bowl contenders this year, but realized they blew chunks at QB with Goff. They made a deal for Stafford for Goff plus two 1st round picks and a third in the offseason. The Browns need to do the same for Aaron Rodgers, assuming things don't end with a Super Bowl win for GB this year. Baker plus a couple first round picks for Rodgers. All time great QB's like Rodgers can play into their early 40's and that would give us a 3-4 year window with Rodgers for multiple shots at a Super Bowl. I don't want to settle for first or second round exits in the playoffs every year.
Side note for Baker this year: I've dislocated my left shoulder 50+ times in my younger sports days. Baker most likely has a torn labrum. The only way to fix it is surgery, even then it's not guaranteed to be 100% successful and has a higher rate for reinjury. I have no doubt that it is affecting him physically and mentally (the fear it's always going to pop out, it hurts like a mf'er).
We're not winning a Super Bowl with Baker Mayfield. Period. He's not an elite QB and he can't close games. He has way too many games where he looks like a bottom five QB. There's no way he can string 3-4 solid together against great teams when needed in a Super Bowl run.
I love this 2021 Browns team. It's the best team we've had since the 1980's and I love them no matter what. But a Super Bowl isn't happening with Baker. Our best option is to do exactly what the Rams did this offseason. The Rams had the talent to be Super Bowl contenders this year, but realized they blew chunks at QB with Goff. They made a deal for Stafford for Goff plus two 1st round picks and a third in the offseason. The Browns need to do the same for Aaron Rodgers, assuming things don't end with a Super Bowl win for GB this year. Baker plus a couple first round picks for Rodgers. All time great QB's like Rodgers can play into their early 40's and that would give us a 3-4 year window with Rodgers for multiple shots at a Super Bowl. I don't want to settle for first or second round exits in the playoffs every year.
Side note for Baker this year: I've dislocated my left shoulder 50+ times in my younger sports days. Baker most likely has a torn labrum. The only way to fix it is surgery, even then it's not guaranteed to be 100% successful and has a higher rate for reinjury. I have no doubt that it is affecting him physically and mentally (the fear it's always going to pop out, it hurts like a mf'er).
So please.. Tell us how many SB's Phillip Rivers and Dan Marino won?... Unhuh... Move along Jr.
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We're not winning a Super Bowl with Baker Mayfield. Period. He's not an elite QB and he can't close games. He has way too many games where he looks like a bottom five QB. There's no way he can string 3-4 solid together against great teams when needed in a Super Bowl run.
I love this 2021 Browns team. It's the best team we've had since the 1980's and I love them no matter what. But a Super Bowl isn't happening with Baker. Our best option is to do exactly what the Rams did this offseason. The Rams had the talent to be Super Bowl contenders this year, but realized they blew chunks at QB with Goff. They made a deal for Stafford for Goff plus two 1st round picks and a third in the offseason. The Browns need to do the same for Aaron Rodgers, assuming things don't end with a Super Bowl win for GB this year. Baker plus a couple first round picks for Rodgers. All time great QB's like Rodgers can play into their early 40's and that would give us a 3-4 year window with Rodgers for multiple shots at a Super Bowl. I don't want to settle for first or second round exits in the playoffs every year.
Side note for Baker this year: I've dislocated my left shoulder 50+ times in my younger sports days. Baker most likely has a torn labrum. The only way to fix it is surgery, even then it's not guaranteed to be 100% successful and has a higher rate for reinjury. I have no doubt that it is affecting him physically and mentally (the fear it's always going to pop out, it hurts like a mf'er).
So please.. Tell us how many SB's Phillip Rivers and Dan Marino won?... Unhuh... Move along Jr.
So please.. Tell us how many SB's Phillip Rivers and Dan Marino won?... Unhuh... Move along Jr.
You've gone full Retard on us. Are you saying Baker Mayfield is as good as Dan Marino or Phillip Rivers? Dan's a hall of famer and Rivers will be in the hall of fame. Baker isn't even close to those two at this point, especially Marino. I assume you're a Baker nuthugger, and no, I won't be going anywhere son.
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And tell me, exactly, how that is any different than what Baker did last year? Hell, we had so many guys out with COVID issues in the playoffs Mayfield met a key offensive lineman AT the game. Yet somehow we won and were very close to being in the AFC championship game.
Relax, bud. Who knows, in 4 or so Mayfield may end up being our Andy Dalton. But you know what Andy Dalton at least did? Won some fucking football games and made the team fun to watch. Mayfield is the best QB the Browns have had in 20 years, and barring 12+ weeks of play like last week he's getting an extension to be the Browns QB for the next 4-5 years. Mayfield and the Browns aren't dumb-he's not, barring winning a SB ring, going to get a Mahomes contract. Tannehill for example is a great bar for him, although I expect Mayfield to get more (4 years, $118 million).
And look, I get it. We all want the next Aaron Rodgers or Mahomes who walks on water out there. But this team can win for years with the formula in place, and that's a damn welcome change to 20+ years of sucking absolute ass. Our peak can EASILY be a 49ers team that went to the Super Bowl two years ago. Who the hell knows if we get that good, but the potential is there for the first time in my nearly 32 years of being on this planet.
I'll take prime Andy Dalton over Spergon Wynn.
I'll take prime Andy Dalton over Spergon Wynn.
I'd take prime Andy Dalton literally over any QB the Browns have trotted out there since 1999.
To be sure, there's one huge exception I'd make if we could steal A.A.Ron Rodgers in the offseason. I'd trade Mayfield and 1st round picks for 4 years of Rodgers in a New York minute.
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?Chubb and Hunt run the offense. Package OBJ and Landry to Frisco. They'll fit in.
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So please.. Tell us how many SB's Phillip Rivers and Dan Marino won?... Unhuh... Move along Jr.
You've gone full Retard on us. Are you saying Baker Mayfield is as good as Dan Marino or Phillip Rivers? Dan's a hall of famer and Rivers will be in the hall of fame. Baker isn't even close to those two at this point, especially Marino. I assume you're a Baker nuthugger, and no, I won't be going anywhere son.
You've gone full Retard on us. Are you saying Baker Mayfield is as good as Dan Marino or Phillip Rivers? Dan's a hall of famer and Rivers will be in the hall of fame. Baker isn't even close to those two at this point, especially Marino. I assume you're a Baker nuthugger, and no, I won't be going anywhere son.
No... I didn't say he was good or better... You have poor reading skills... What I'm saying is those guys were ELITE... And couldn't win a goddamn sausage!
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So please.. Tell us how many SB's Phillip Rivers and Dan Marino won?... Unhuh... Move along Jr.
You've gone full Retard on us. Are you saying Baker Mayfield is as good as Dan Marino or Phillip Rivers? Dan's a hall of famer and Rivers will be in the hall of fame. Baker isn't even close to those two at this point, especially Marino. I assume you're a Baker nuthugger, and no, I won't be going anywhere son.
You've gone full Retard on us. Are you saying Baker Mayfield is as good as Dan Marino or Phillip Rivers? Dan's a hall of famer and Rivers will be in the hall of fame. Baker isn't even close to those two at this point, especially Marino. I assume you're a Baker nuthugger, and no, I won't be going anywhere son.
No we're not. But OTOH, we're not playing Madden either. Rodgers isn't going anywhere, and certainly not to Cleveland. As I mentioned earlier, the only top QB that's currently available is Deshawn Watson. Screw that with a shitty attitude and a truck load of legal problems.
You're apparently one of those glass is half empty folks. "All we need is a HOF QB, and it's multiple Super Bowl wins". Bullshit, those mentioned HOFers never got the big prize. That's what Nickers and me are saying.
You know some QBs who HAVE won a Super Bowl? Jim Plunket, Jim McMahon, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Brad Johnson, and Trent Dilfer. That's who. It's a TEAM game. Are you trying to tell us Baker sucks worse than any/all of those guys? Sure, having a HOF QB increases your odds, BUT IT'S NO GUARANTEE. And FYI, they don't grow on trees either.
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You've gone full Retard on us. Are you saying Baker Mayfield is as good as Dan Marino or Phillip Rivers? Dan's a hall of famer and Rivers will be in the hall of fame. Baker isn't even close to those two at this point, especially Marino. I assume you're a Baker nuthugger, and no, I won't be going anywhere son.
No we're not. But OTOH, we're not playing Madden either. Rodgers isn't going anywhere, and certainly not to Cleveland. As I mentioned earlier, the only top QB that's currently available is Deshawn Watson. Screw that with a shitty attitude and a truck load of legal problems.
You're apparently one of those glass is half empty folks. "All we need is a HOF QB, and it's multiple Super Bowl wins". Bullshit, those mentioned HOFers never got the big prize. That's what Nickers and me are saying.
You know some QBs who HAVE won a Super Bowl? Jim Plunket, Jim McMahon, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Brad Johnson, and Trent Dilfer. That's who. It's a TEAM game. Are you trying to tell us Baker sucks worse than any/all of those guys? Sure, having a HOF QB increases your odds, BUT IT'S NO GUARANTEE. And FYI, they don't grow on trees either.
No we're not. But OTOH, we're not playing Madden either. Rodgers isn't going anywhere, and certainly not to Cleveland. As I mentioned earlier, the only top QB that's currently available is Deshawn Watson. Screw that with a shitty attitude and a truck load of legal problems.
You're apparently one of those glass is half empty folks. "All we need is a HOF QB, and it's multiple Super Bowl wins". Bullshit, those mentioned HOFers never got the big prize. That's what Nickers and me are saying.
You know some QBs who HAVE won a Super Bowl? Jim Plunket, Jim McMahon, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Brad Johnson, and Trent Dilfer. That's who. It's a TEAM game. As you trying to tell us Baker sucks worse than any/all of those guys? Sure, having a HOF QB increases your odds, BUT IT'S NO GUARANTEE. And FYI, they don't grow on trees either.
Unless Green Bay wins a super bowl, he's 110% going SOMEWHERE else. He's literally said he's on a one year plan with Green Bay. The problem Cleveland can't help, despite likely being the best location for him football wise, is the dude wants a lifestyle change.
Green Bay and Cleveland are pretty similar towns, and if a big reason he's looking for a new spot is to get out of cold and a bigger market, Cleveland just ain't it. Miami might make for a serious contender, though.
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No we're not. But OTOH, we're not playing Madden either. Rodgers isn't going anywhere, and certainly not to Cleveland. As I mentioned earlier, the only top QB that's currently available is Deshawn Watson. Screw that with a shitty attitude and a truck load of legal problems.
You're apparently one of those glass is half empty folks. "All we need is a HOF QB, and it's multiple Super Bowl wins". Bullshit, those mentioned HOFers never got the big prize. That's what Nickers and me are saying.
You know some QBs who HAVE won a Super Bowl? Jim Plunket, Jim McMahon, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Brad Johnson, and Trent Dilfer. That's who. It's a TEAM game. As you trying to tell us Baker sucks worse than any/all of those guys? Sure, having a HOF QB increases your odds, BUT IT'S NO GUARANTEE. And FYI, they don't grow on trees either.
Unless Green Bay wins a super bowl, he's 110% going SOMEWHERE else. He's literally said he's on a one year plan with Green Bay. The problem Cleveland can't help, despite likely being the best location for him football wise, is the dude wants a lifestyle change.
Green Bay and Cleveland are pretty similar towns, and if a big reason he's looking for a new spot is to get out of cold and a bigger market, Cleveland just ain't it. Miami might make for a serious contender, though.
Unless Green Bay wins a super bowl, he's 110% going SOMEWHERE else. He's literally said he's on a one year plan with Green Bay. The problem Cleveland can't help, despite likely being the best location for him football wise, is the dude wants a lifestyle change.
Green Bay and Cleveland are pretty similar towns, and if a big reason he's looking for a new spot is to get out of cold and a bigger market, Cleveland just ain't it. Miami might make for a serious contender, though.
my guess is SF they pushed for him this offseason. players love kyle and they have a good roster and a similar system.
its a lock in my eyes
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