the browns plan at QB going forward.
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Over the last two games - 53% completion. 200 passing yard/game. averaging 4 sacks per game.
Sorry bud, while that can beat the 1-win Vikings and 2-win Bears, that won't cut it against Herbert.
That is why i said we should give Baker the day off and let him rest, Without Jarvis out there this team seems to not produce through the air, Jarvis draws double coverage, so does OBJ, I love Higgins but he is not going to be double covered Peoples Jones is still young and developing,
That is why i said we should give Baker the day off and let him rest, Without Jarvis out there this team seems to not produce through the air, Jarvis draws double coverage, so does OBJ, I love Higgins but he is not going to be double covered Peoples Jones is still young and developing,
We agree. You got your post in before i hit the post button. I shoulda quoted delusional zombo.
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Zombo said:
I'm delusional?
Yes.
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I dont even know what to say to this thread.
I can only think a lot of Browns fans must have been bitten by a good quarterback when they were children.
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I dont even know what to say to this thread.
I can only think a lot of Browns fans must have been bitten by a good quarterback when they were children.
I dont even know what to say to this thread.
I can only think a lot of Browns fans must have been bitten by a good quarterback when they were children.
Well, Baker is a bite-sized QB, so.... ?
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I dont even know what to say to this thread.
I can only think a lot of Browns fans must have been bitten by a good quarterback when they were children.
I dont even know what to say to this thread.
I can only think a lot of Browns fans must have been bitten by a good quarterback when they were children.
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Zombo said:
This is the gayest thread ever.
He had an off day, getting used to playing with injured left shoulder and harness.
1) Before the injury he was the most accurate passer in the NFL, and even with the injury he has not turned the ball over, and we have won and won.
Think back to when we drafted him. Did you want him to lead the league in yards? Did you want shootouts every week? Or did you want to WIN for a freaking change?
15 -7 the past two years, including a playoff win. Led us down the stretch last year. So he's a little banged up so we rely on the running game and the defense, but he still makes enough throws to WIN.
2) He'll bounce back this week. He always does.
3) You never bench him. He's our leader. He'll fight through that and we'll continue to win. If you haven't figured that out yet, you're not paying attention.
Z
Don't be a homer, and be realistic. Sure, I'd like to pull off an unlikely win over the Chargers.
1) Hate to tell you, but he's injured, and is looking like Josh Allen did when he was playing at Wyoming.
2) Great, Mr. Sunshine pumper.
3) Sure you do if he throws 3 interceptions, has a less that a 50% completion %, and the Chargers are up by 20. \
I've got it figured out Z- and we'll take it one game at a time.
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Zombo said:
Not sure how he's hurting our chances of winning when he keeps winning.
Z
Oh geeze Z, the BROWNS keep on winning. Get your ostrich head out of the Naples beach sand. That Cleveland beat the Vikes had very little to do with Bakers play. It had EVERYTHING to do with our defense playing lights out two weeks in a row.
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Zombo said:
Unlikely win over the Chargers??
We are a better team. Am I the only one watching us?
I'm a sunshine pumper for saying Baker will do what he always does ... rebound big time.
You negative fucks need to go root for Jacksonville or something, you are too used to losing, can't handle a winning qb on a winning team.
Z
We are evenly balanced Z. Negative? Just realistic... BTW, the Vegas guys happen to like the Chargers, and their homerism = ZERO. Really- just because some of us aren't 100% in the sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows crowd 100% of the time doesn't make us any less fans.
1) As I always say- past performance is no guarantee of future results. BUT historically the Browns have played like crap on the west coast.
2) Bosa cancels out Garret.
3) A healthy Herbert is better than a dinged Baker.
4) I can handle reality Z- you should know better than that. You're wishing' and a hoping' Baker can overcome an injury and two consecutive shitty outings. As they say in Missouri "SHOW ME".
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It's a sucker's bet taking the Browns on the west coast with Baker hurt. Not saying the defense and running game can't keep it close, they could win it themselves if the Bolts allow us. But I'd to think decent coaches would see our lack of ability at QB right now and load up fronts.
Heart always says the Brownies, head says Bolts on the ML.
Edit: ML and Bolts to cover. Herbert can negate pressure a bit better than Baker can at this time. Plus our Oline is playing hurt. While the chargers oline isn't great, I just can't expect another defensive carry in back to back games.
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It's a sucker's bet taking the Browns on the west coast with Baker hurt. Not saying the defense and running game can't keep it close, they could win it themselves if the Bolts allow us. But I'd to think decent coaches would see our lack of ability at QB right now and load up fronts.
Heart always says the Brownies, head says Bolts on the ML.
Edit: ML and Bolts to cover. Herbert can negate pressure a bit better than Baker can at this time. Plus our Oline is playing hurt. While the chargers oline isn't great, I just can't expect another defensive carry in back to back games.
It's a sucker's bet taking the Browns on the west coast with Baker hurt. Not saying the defense and running game can't keep it close, they could win it themselves if the Bolts allow us. But I'd to think decent coaches would see our lack of ability at QB right now and load up fronts.
Heart always says the Brownies, head says Bolts on the ML.
Edit: ML and Bolts to cover. Herbert can negate pressure a bit better than Baker can at this time. Plus our Oline is playing hurt. While the chargers oline isn't great, I just can't expect another defensive carry in back to back games.
I got Titans -3.5 that we talked about in another thread and the Browns +2.5 this week. Want to make a fun gentlemen's bet on you taking the opposite? Perhaps a Venmo for the cost of a 6 pack?
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It's a sucker's bet taking the Browns on the west coast with Baker hurt. Not saying the defense and running game can't keep it close, they could win it themselves if the Bolts allow us. But I'd to think decent coaches would see our lack of ability at QB right now and load up fronts.
Heart always says the Brownies, head says Bolts on the ML.
Edit: ML and Bolts to cover. Herbert can negate pressure a bit better than Baker can at this time. Plus our Oline is playing hurt. While the chargers oline isn't great, I just can't expect another defensive carry in back to back games.
I got Titans -3.5 that we talked about in another thread and the Browns +2.5 this week. Want to make a fun gentlemen's bet on you taking the opposite? Perhaps a Venmo for the cost of a 6 pack?
I got Titans -3.5 that we talked about in another thread and the Browns +2.5 this week. Want to make a fun gentlemen's bet on you taking the opposite? Perhaps a Venmo for the cost of a 6 pack?
Don't have any money apps.
Perhaps I can mail you a lovely Christmas card?
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I’m taking the Browns ML.
Lots of Charger respect on this forum and I get it. Herbert operates in that offense well makes the short and intermediate throws decisively and on the money. Their new HC can do no wrong. Their Defense is finally healthy. They run the screen game well with Eckler (thank god for the work we had prepping against another screen team the Vikes)…But They’ve given up yardage on the ground to teams that don’t run it as well as us. We aren’t used to playing the upstart teams because we were the new flavor last year and the Chargers while having some impressive wins this season are still learning and they have some guys (lots actually) that aren’t used to this kind of success on this level. They say You gotta crawl before you ball.
Baker stunk last weekend. He’s been hearing it all weekend. The chip is back on the shoulder. And I think the Chargers may come out and dare the Browns to throw it. That’s a dangerous proposition because our line while banged up a little can give us time to do that and is it within the realm of possibility that Baker can hit on a couple long passes (he was 0 for 6 last week). Might be all it take to soften the defense and The Chargers need a safety with a nose in the backfield.
When the schedule came out I didn’t like the Browns on the west coast angle…but the flip side we play a team coming off two emotional division games on a Short week. Let down here for LA Chargers? I think so. I worry about the Browns more at home and as a comfortable favorite against a dangerous team in a letdown factor. The Chargers have our attention and we have a guy looking to bounce back in a major way
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Don't have any money apps.
Perhaps I can mail you a lovely Christmas card?
You sir, have a virtual handshake deal. Just to be sure, my daughter loves snowmen thanks to Olaf.
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Zombo said:
Chargers are #29 against the run, and the Browns have the best rushing attack in the NFL.
Our defense is better than theirs, and if you don't think Baker is not going to bounce back in a big way, you haven't followed his career.
Bet the house on the Browns.
Z
Chargers are weak against the run by design. If you play 2 deep, and those 2 deep are 15 yards, then your 7 need to hold up. If the Bolts drop a + body down low, which they would be stupid not to, then the running game, along with a gimpy Oline could be an issue.
You're also treating Baker having a down game as just a singular case and not considering the fact that he is noticeably hurt.
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You sir, have a virtual handshake deal. Just to be sure, my daughter loves snowmen thanks to Olaf.
I was thinking an 8×10 and wallet sized pictures of me in my Christmas sweater. But, yeah sure, Snowmen. We can make that happen.
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Zombo said:
I just know how he'll respond. He'll adjust. He lives off of doubt, obstacles and tough circumstances.
No one is weak against the run by design. If they have to bring a man up to try and contain our backs then they are going to be vulnerable to the play action and guys like O'Dell and Schwartzie running past them.
The failed logic in this thread is that Baker's passes are going to sail on him like they did last week. He won't allow that, I'm telling you right now.
Z
Wait, what? By design a 2 high removes an extra defender from the box. That is why it's literally called a box count - numbers. The commitment to the running game tends to force the additional body to help limit damage. Yes, this opens things up vertically in different ways across the field.
Odell and Schwartz can run past anyone they wish, if Baker can't reliably get them the ball (because he is in fact injured and you refuse to acknowledge that reality) then we have a serious issue.
There is no failure of logic on my part. I've detailed this rather plainly. So now you're just bordering on insults.
It isn't that hard to say "I disagree and we'll see how this plays out". Which is where I think we'll leave this for now.
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They are 29th against the run
5th against the pass
9th overall defense in yards per game
We're 2nd overall
3rd against the pass
3rd against the run
We're #2 at not giving up 1st downs (60)
They are 20th (86)
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Zombo said:
I just know how he'll respond. He'll adjust. He lives off of doubt, obstacles and tough circumstances.
No one is weak against the run by design. If they have to bring a man up to try and contain our backs then they are going to be vulnerable to the play action and guys like O'Dell and Schwartzie running past them.
The failed logic in this thread is that Baker's passes are going to sail on him like they did last week. He won't allow that, I'm telling you right now.
Z
Wait, what? By design a 2 high removes an extra defender from the box. That is why it's literally called a box count - numbers. The commitment to the running game tends to force the additional body to help limit damage. Yes, this opens things up vertically in different ways across the field.
Odell and Schwartz can run past anyone they wish, if Baker can't reliably get them the ball (because he is in fact injured and you refuse to acknowledge that reality) then we have a serious issue.
There is no failure of logic on my part. I've detailed this rather plainly. So now you're just bordering on insults.
It isn't that hard to say "I disagree and we'll see how this plays out". Which is where I think we'll leave this for now.
Wait, what? By design a 2 high removes an extra defender from the box. That is why it's literally called a box count - numbers. The commitment to the running game tends to force the additional body to help limit damage. Yes, this opens things up vertically in different ways across the field.
Odell and Schwartz can run past anyone they wish, if Baker can't reliably get them the ball (because he is in fact injured and you refuse to acknowledge that reality) then we have a serious issue.
There is no failure of logic on my part. I've detailed this rather plainly. So now you're just bordering on insults.
It isn't that hard to say "I disagree and we'll see how this plays out". Which is where I think we'll leave this for now.
Yeah, a 100% healthy Baker, I'd be more confident that he's due to have a rebound game. But he's not 100% healthy. A torn labrum takes time to heal. Z saying "I just know he's going to have a great game" is just hoping he will. For the record so do I. As the Boomer says "that's why they play the game".
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Zombo said:
The failed logic in this thread is that Baker's passes are going to sail on him like they did last week. He won't allow that, I'm telling you right now.
Z
If anyone's logic is failing, it's probably yours. Just might happen Baker's mind will tell him "I can do it", but his body won't.
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Wait, what? By design a 2 high removes an extra defender from the box. That is why it's literally called a box count - numbers. The commitment to the running game tends to force the additional body to help limit damage. Yes, this opens things up vertically in different ways across the field.
Odell and Schwartz can run past anyone they wish, if Baker can't reliably get them the ball (because he is in fact injured and you refuse to acknowledge that reality) then we have a serious issue.
There is no failure of logic on my part. I've detailed this rather plainly. So now you're just bordering on insults.
It isn't that hard to say "I disagree and we'll see how this plays out". Which is where I think we'll leave this for now.
Yeah, a 100% healthy Baker, I'd be more confident that he's due to have a rebound game. But he's not 100% healthy. A torn labrum takes time to heal. Z saying "I just know he's going to have a great game" is just hoping he will. For the record so do I. As the Boomer says "that's why they play the game".
Yeah, a 100% healthy Baker, I'd be more confident that he's due to have a rebound game. But he's not 100% healthy. A torn labrum takes time to heal. Z saying "I just know he's going to have a great game" is just hoping he will. For the record so do I. As the Boomer says "that's why they play the game".
I don’t think anyone is denying he is hurt and the injury is likely contributing to his accuracy issues. He will adapt this year with the injury.
I counted six passes last week four of which had TD potential the other two were set for 25-30 plus yard gains. 0 for 6 in those spots. He hits on two of those we win 28-7 against a playoff caliber opponent in their building (a team we dominated in all other facets but QB play).
If I had to think about this week I’d definitely say that Baker misses on a few again…but 0 for 6?
I love the Chargers safeties. Nasir Adderely is an emerging Pro Bowl talent. We know about Derwin James. They will March up to the line of scrimmage if we don’t hit a couple and if we go 0 for 6 again - we will likely lose…but I think a few of us on here are betting against that.
Edit: I watched some of the Vikings game…wow the Vikings back 7 tackled really well. The Chargers better do the same we were a couple shoe string partial turf Monster assists from breaking big ones
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