Still laughing over OBJ trade talk?
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Oh fantastic, the annual Icecube/OBJ trade thread is back!
Sincerely,
No One, Ever.
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I see very little upside to trading him at this point.
Heard something like 15 mil against the cap and the best I think you could do from anybody would be a 3rd rounder.... And that is probably a stretch.
I'm just not on the "Jump off a bridge, this season is over" crowd though. If you keep him on the roster and he has one or two huge games like that Dallas game last year I'd think it's worth keeping him. Plus it's not like he's being a dick and not even trying to play. He's actually doing and saying the right things. I'd still rather have him on the field than dumping him and having some practice squad guy out there. Higgy or DPJ arent exactly #1 WR's...
Let's see what happens this week with Chubb out, might let Kev open up the passing game a bit.
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Did someone say Beetlejuice 3 times? Out yourself!
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I see very little upside to trading him at this point.
Heard something like 15 mil against the cap and the best I think you could do from anybody would be a 3rd rounder.... And that is probably a stretch.
I'm just not on the "Jump off a bridge, this season is over" crowd though. If you keep him on the roster and he has one or two huge games like that Dallas game last year I'd think it's worth keeping him. Plus it's not like he's being a dick and not even trying to play. He's actually doing and saying the right things. I'd still rather have him on the field than dumping him and having some practice squad guy out there. Higgy or DPJ arent exactly #1 WR's...
Let's see what happens this week with Chubb out, might let Kev open up the passing game a bit.
I see very little upside to trading him at this point.
Heard something like 15 mil against the cap and the best I think you could do from anybody would be a 3rd rounder.... And that is probably a stretch.
I'm just not on the "Jump off a bridge, this season is over" crowd though. If you keep him on the roster and he has one or two huge games like that Dallas game last year I'd think it's worth keeping him. Plus it's not like he's being a dick and not even trying to play. He's actually doing and saying the right things. I'd still rather have him on the field than dumping him and having some practice squad guy out there. Higgy or DPJ arent exactly #1 WR's...
Let's see what happens this week with Chubb out, might let Kev open up the passing game a bit.
It's far too early to quit on the season.. It's just getting started...
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Of all the receivers in the league two lead the pack of getting open. One is Davonte Adam’s. Who do you suppose the other one is?
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It probably won't happen because no team will give more than peanuts for him, but it's so obvious it should be done. It's been the talk on sports shows this week.
It probably won't happen because no team will give more than peanuts for him, but it's so obvious it should be done. It's been the talk on sports shows this week.
Mary Kay Rabbit started it.... so fn' what? He's here for the year. Personally I'm more concerned about Gillian losing his punting leg as to what may or may not happen with OBJ.
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Of all the receivers in the league two lead the pack of getting open. One is Davonte Adam’s. Who do you suppose the other one is?
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Of all the receivers in the league two lead the pack of getting open. One is Davonte Adam’s. Who do you suppose the other one is?
Of all the receivers in the league two lead the pack of getting open. One is Davonte Adam’s. Who do you suppose the other one is?
After last Sunday, I'd have to say either one of the starting WRs that play for the LA Chargers. There's 2 young QBs right now that actually look way BETTER to me at the professional level than they ever looked in college: Justin Herbert and Josh Allen.
System and surrounding talent has a lot to do with the fate of young QBs. If Matt Nagy continued to call plays in Chicago - Justin Fields would still feel like he's playing against Cleveland. How does a coach that supposedly learned under Andy Reid end up looking like he went to the school of Offensive Coordination by Hue Jackson? YES, we all know Mahomes sat and watched former #1 overall pick Alex Smith play like a seasoned veteran into the playoffs. Having said that, Andy Reid also drafted Donovan McNabb from a college Veer Option Offense at Syracuse that many NFL scouts labelled too unconventional for the NFL game. McNabb started as a rookie and shined for a team that would have drafted #1 overall if Cleveland wasn't re-entering the league. Why would he go that route? Brett Favre came out of a similar offense at So Miss and Andy Reid had no problem acclimating him to the NFL game.
The strange thing about the fire and ice chemistry between OBJ and Baker is that these guys have actually spent time in some previous off-seasons working together. I don't know what changes when they get out on the field on game days. My guess is that an offense that is supposed to be TE friendly isn't designed to keep a superstar WR happy. For example, WR Stefon Diggs wanted out of that Minnesota offense. Meanwhile, there were a lot of people questioning why Minnesota committed so heavily to Kirk Cousins; and some prolly still are. Now Diggs is very happy in Buffalo where it's all about the vertical game. Their TEs don't catch a lot of passes per say; but it sure likes like they have a high % of TDs per reception. Minnesota still has a strong running game like we have while the fanbase contemplates how worthy Cousins is of his contract.
FWIW, I'm not one that wants to throw Baker out regardless of how popular that may get with him under the current offensive philosophies. And why? Let's just say I've taken inventory of all the QBs this franchise brought here to be our solution since 99. The 2 seasons leading up to drafting Baker this franchise was 1-31. Then it was 0-1-1 before Baker had to come in and erase a 14 point deficit to the Jets in his rookie year. This team went 7-7 after the moment he first stepped on the field. He also led us to 11-5 plus a playoff W in Pittsburgh. When OBJ wasn't here while Landy played on a bad hip that require off season surgery - Baker had to win some games late with his arm. I remember 1 Cincy game last year where we had no time outs with only about 1 minute and 20 seconds left where he had to lead us to a TD with his arm for the win. And he did it with guys like Hollywood, Peoples-Jones, and K. Hodge, etc. If we can EVER keep a LT and his backup healthy - seasons like last year in that offensive design remain possible here IMO.
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I had to laugh when Stephen A proposed Baker was trying to sabotage Beckhams career.... He lost all credibility.. I guess he forgot that Baker and and Odell spent a lot of time together this off season working on chemistry... And the other nugget that made me laugh when he was patting Dan Orlovskys back about being a good analyst.. Ugh Stephen... You never played the game.. You're just a paid arm chair QB who uses racism as his platform.. No one needs your approval you phony loser!
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Odell leads the team in targets, I believe someone mentioned? I'll have to trust that because I can't look at up at the moment. However if you have a WR leading the team in targets but a RB who (before last sunday) was leading the team in receiving yards, that tends to indicate an inability to get the WR the ball.
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Odell leads the team in targets, I believe someone mentioned? I'll have to trust that because I can't look at up at the moment. However if you have a WR leading the team in targets but a RB who (before last sunday) was leading the team in receiving yards, that tends to indicate an inability to get the WR the ball.
Odell leads the team in targets, I believe someone mentioned? I'll have to trust that because I can't look at up at the moment. However if you have a WR leading the team in targets but a RB who (before last sunday) was leading the team in receiving yards, that tends to indicate an inability to get the WR the ball.
I still can't believe Odell muffed that easy pass...
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Odell leads the team in targets, I believe someone mentioned? I'll have to trust that because I can't look at up at the moment. However if you have a WR leading the team in targets but a RB who (before last sunday) was leading the team in receiving yards, that tends to indicate an inability to get the WR the ball.
I still can't believe Odell muffed that easy pass...
I still can't believe Odell muffed that easy pass...
I can. Receivers usually need to get into a rhythm just like QB's. When you have a receiver who doesn't get the volume he should, any chance you get to make a big play you're going to hammer. Classic case of OBJ looking upfield to make a big play before he finished bringing the ball in. \
Doesn't excuse anything, but I get it.
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Odell leads the team in targets, I believe someone mentioned? I'll have to trust that because I can't look at up at the moment. However if you have a WR leading the team in targets but a RB who (before last sunday) was leading the team in receiving yards, that tends to indicate an inability to get the WR the ball.
Odell leads the team in targets, I believe someone mentioned? I'll have to trust that because I can't look at up at the moment. However if you have a WR leading the team in targets but a RB who (before last sunday) was leading the team in receiving yards, that tends to indicate an inability to get the WR the ball.
Yea, the story is Baker forces passes to OBJ, hurting the entire D. It was precisely when OBJ went out during the Cinci game that Baker came to life, and for the rest of the year, mind you. They say Baker throws to the open man with OBJ out of the game, but forces passes to him when he's in. It looks true to me.
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I still can't believe Odell muffed that easy pass...
I can. Receivers usually need to get into a rhythm just like QB's. When you have a receiver who doesn't get the volume he should, any chance you get to make a big play you're going to hammer. Classic case of OBJ looking upfield to make a big play before he finished bringing the ball in. \
Doesn't excuse anything, but I get it.
I can. Receivers usually need to get into a rhythm just like QB's. When you have a receiver who doesn't get the volume he should, any chance you get to make a big play you're going to hammer. Classic case of OBJ looking upfield to make a big play before he finished bringing the ball in. \
Doesn't excuse anything, but I get it.
He was looking to celebrate before he secured the ball is what I took away from that..
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Odell leads the team in targets, I believe someone mentioned? I'll have to trust that because I can't look at up at the moment. However if you have a WR leading the team in targets but a RB who (before last sunday) was leading the team in receiving yards, that tends to indicate an inability to get the WR the ball.
Yea, the story is Baker forces passes to OBJ, hurting the entire D. It was precisely when OBJ went out during the Cinci game that Baker came to life, and for the rest of the year, mind you. They say Baker throws to the open man with OBJ out of the game, but forces passes to him when he's in. It looks true to me.
Yea, the story is Baker forces passes to OBJ, hurting the entire D. It was precisely when OBJ went out during the Cinci game that Baker came to life, and for the rest of the year, mind you. They say Baker throws to the open man with OBJ out of the game, but forces passes to him when he's in. It looks true to me.
And the examples I've provided where Baker would have put TD's on the board when Odell was in but missed the read...?
Nobody seems to be able to counter those beyond a "coincidence". Truth is, Baker committed himself to playing and reading better. Part of me believes he struggles with certain looks and throwing the ball to the perimeter. But my belief isn't without evidence or merit.
And nobody also wants to admit, if Eli manning could get Odell the ball, why can't Baker and the offense?
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I gotta laff at a clown too insecure to actually wait to be correct....
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OBJ has a huge day today.
we will see if this post ages well.
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OBJ has a huge day today.
we will see if this post ages well.
OBJ has a huge day today.
we will see if this post ages well.
Huge? He dropped the biggest key pass to a comeback bid to get back into the game.
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