Vaccination mandate
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There's no reason to not take the vaccine (excluding legitimate medical concerns).
Who gets to decide what those are? I personally don't think we should mandate risking the young and healthy to the unknown long term side effects of the vaccine because the virus is killing the elderly, diabetics, and hypertensives.
Hell, you need to have certain vaccinations to go to school.
And not a single one of those is an mRNA virus that creates the massive immune response that the COVID vax does.
You guys know I'm pro vaccine but I'm not stupid I'm pretty sure what it can and can't do. Just on balance. That being said I said without commentary on the effects of the vaccine, if it were up to you would you rather have the police firefighters EMS and medical staff on the job and worrying masks? Or do you think it's more valuable to take a hard line and enforce the mandate. And I'm not asking for commentary on the effectiveness of masks just asking. I'm a little more curious about the guys from the progressive side.
I'll see how far this one last
WSS
The left seems to be cheering on these mandates. Political power is cyclical, and what do you think conservatives are going to do with the precedent that's been set when they're back in power again? If you thought that they were draconian about abortion before...
Who gets to decide what those are? I personally don't think we should mandate risking the young and healthy to the unknown long term side effects of the vaccine because the virus is killing the elderly, diabetics, and hypertensives.
And not a single one of those is an mRNA virus that creates the massive immune response that the COVID vax does.
The left seems to be cheering on these mandates. Political power is cyclical, and what do you think conservatives are going to do with the precedent that's been set when they're back in power again? If you thought that they were draconian about abortion before...
I'm just over it man. And when I posted that, I thought, "somewhere, Vapor is out there, and I know he is going to come and comment". But I think you're an intelligent guy and your concerns come from a much more legitimate place than the rest of the board. That being said, I'm just tired of all of this. All of the "American exceptionalism! Freedom! I can do what I want!" crowd. That's what 99% of this blowback is.
And sure, yeah, the Dems will maybe do something for once and the Reps will take that, flip it, and ramp it up a good bit. I can hope that their regressive social ideas aren't going to get enough support but hey, the last few years have been very, very disappointing in that regard.
At what point will you feel comfortable with the "long term risks"?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
There's no reason to not take the vaccine (excluding legitimate medical concerns).
Who gets to decide what those are? I personally don't think we should mandate risking the young and healthy to the unknown long term side effects of the vaccine because the virus is killing the elderly, diabetics, and hypertensives.
Hell, you need to have certain vaccinations to go to school.
And not a single one of those is an mRNA virus that creates the massive immune response that the COVID vax does.
You guys know I'm pro vaccine but I'm not stupid I'm pretty sure what it can and can't do. Just on balance. That being said I said without commentary on the effects of the vaccine, if it were up to you would you rather have the police firefighters EMS and medical staff on the job and worrying masks? Or do you think it's more valuable to take a hard line and enforce the mandate. And I'm not asking for commentary on the effectiveness of masks just asking. I'm a little more curious about the guys from the progressive side.
I'll see how far this one last
WSS
The left seems to be cheering on these mandates. Political power is cyclical, and what do you think conservatives are going to do with the precedent that's been set when they're back in power again? If you thought that they were draconian about abortion before...
The left seems to be cheering on these mandates. Political power is cyclical, and what do you think conservatives are going to do with the precedent that's been set when they're back in power again? If you thought that they were draconian about abortion before...
Since that part was for me I don't care much about the Republicans except for the fact that they will more likely preach things closer to what I believe. Do I trust them to deliver when they get power? Hell no. But just for the record abortion isn't my issue. And no matter how Draconian they get the worst they will do is make it a tiny bit more of a pain in the ass to get one. We aren't putting that toothpaste back in the tube. But still frankly I think the idea a partial birth abortion of a viable fetus whenever and for whatever reason creeps a lot of people out.
WSS
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Who gets to decide what those are? I personally don't think we should mandate risking the young and healthy to the unknown long term side effects of the vaccine because the virus is killing the elderly, diabetics, and hypertensives.
And not a single one of those is an mRNA virus that creates the massive immune response that the COVID vax does.
The left seems to be cheering on these mandates. Political power is cyclical, and what do you think conservatives are going to do with the precedent that's been set when they're back in power again? If you thought that they were draconian about abortion before...
I'm just over it man. And when I posted that, I thought, "somewhere, Vapor is out there, and I know he is going to come and comment". But I think you're an intelligent guy and your concerns come from a much more legitimate place than the rest of the board. That being said, I'm just tired of all of this. All of the "American exceptionalism! Freedom! I can do what I want!" crowd. That's what 99% of this blowback is.
And sure, yeah, the Dems will maybe do something for once and the Reps will take that, flip it, and ramp it up a good bit. I can hope that their regressive social ideas aren't going to get enough support but hey, the last few years have been very, very disappointing in that regard.
At what point will you feel comfortable with the "long term risks"?
At what point will you feel comfortable with the "long term risks"?
For me, age 50. Somewhere around that time, my risks from a severe COVID infection will outweigh whatever misgivings I have about potential side effects.
For people who are younger? People under 18? The risk of myocarditis to males is increased particularly in male populations with the Moderna vax. It's insane to me that the world seems to be okay with passing risks for the old and unhealthy to the young and hale. And this only factors in the effects that show themselves this early (i.e. - the ones that are getting headlines this year and last year). My big concern, and a question that won't have an answer for decades, is if it increases your lifetime risk of autoimmune disease. If that's the case, then my vote is to let nature run its course like it did with the Spanish flu.
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At what point will you feel comfortable with the "long term risks"?
For me, age 50. Somewhere around that time, my risks from a severe COVID infection will outweigh whatever misgivings I have about potential side effects.
For people who are younger? People under 18? The risk of myocarditis to males is increased particularly in male populations with the Moderna vax. It's insane to me that the world seems to be okay with passing risks for the old and unhealthy to the young and hale. And this only factors in the effects that show themselves this early (i.e. - the ones that are getting headlines this year and last year). My big concern, and a question that won't have an answer for decades, is if it increases your lifetime risk of autoimmune disease. If that's the case, then my vote is to let nature run its course like it did with the Spanish flu.
For me, age 50. Somewhere around that time, my risks from a severe COVID infection will outweigh whatever misgivings I have about potential side effects.
For people who are younger? People under 18? The risk of myocarditis to males is increased particularly in male populations with the Moderna vax. It's insane to me that the world seems to be okay with passing risks for the old and unhealthy to the young and hale. And this only factors in the effects that show themselves this early (i.e. - the ones that are getting headlines this year and last year). My big concern, and a question that won't have an answer for decades, is if it increases your lifetime risk of autoimmune disease. If that's the case, then my vote is to let nature run its course like it did with the Spanish flu.
for us, I'm 70 - we were happy to get the Phizer vaccine. But...I've read where the booster with different vaccines is a different deal - changes inside of you afterwards?
beats me, I'm not a medical guy. We'll check with our family dr. Got exposed to covid ten days ago- sprayed lysol around the house...we're fine. Good to be vaccinated. A youngster tested positive- got over it. No one else in their family got it. Maybe a false positve? who knows.
But getting one of their boosters every single year? a bunch of horsecrap right there.
damn communist china and fauci and their secret work on "gain of function" )_())*(_)(*_)&()*&^
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Fauci said 'you cannot force someone' to get COVID-19 vaccine
https://www.yahoo.com/now/last-fauci-said-cannot-force-212300017.html
“I don't think you'll ever see a mandating of vaccine, particularly for the general public,” Fauci said during a town hall with Healthline.com in August 2020.
The idea, according to Fauci, was impossible.
“If someone refuses the vaccine in the general public, then there's nothing you can do about that. You cannot force someone to take a vaccine," he said at the time.
Joe Biden: Covid vaccination in US will not be mandatory
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5 December 2020
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For me, age 50. Somewhere around that time, my risks from a severe COVID infection will outweigh whatever misgivings I have about potential side effects.
For people who are younger? People under 18? The risk of myocarditis to males is increased particularly in male populations with the Moderna vax. It's insane to me that the world seems to be okay with passing risks for the old and unhealthy to the young and hale. And this only factors in the effects that show themselves this early (i.e. - the ones that are getting headlines this year and last year). My big concern, and a question that won't have an answer for decades, is if it increases your lifetime risk of autoimmune disease. If that's the case, then my vote is to let nature run its course like it did with the Spanish flu.
for us, I'm 70 - we were happy to get the Phizer vaccine. But...I've read where the booster with different vaccines is a different deal - changes inside of you afterwards?
beats me, I'm not a medical guy. We'll check with our family dr. Got exposed to covid ten days ago- sprayed lysol around the house...we're fine. Good to be vaccinated. A youngster tested positive- got over it. No one else in their family got it. Maybe a false positve? who knows.
But getting one of their boosters every single year? a bunch of horsecrap right there.
damn communist china and fauci and their secret work on "gain of function" )_())*(_)(*_)&()*&^
for us, I'm 70 - we were happy to get the Phizer vaccine. But...I've read where the booster with different vaccines is a different deal - changes inside of you afterwards?
beats me, I'm not a medical guy. We'll check with our family dr. Got exposed to covid ten days ago- sprayed lysol around the house...we're fine. Good to be vaccinated. A youngster tested positive- got over it. No one else in their family got it. Maybe a false positve? who knows.
But getting one of their boosters every single year? a bunch of horsecrap right there.
damn communist china and fauci and their secret work on "gain of function" )_())*(_)(*_)&()*&^
^ this is what I am talking about here. As someone in the medical field Vapor I'd have to imagine this is somewhat annoying. And for guys in infectious disease (or Fauci himself) it has to be downright frustrating. And this is someone that at least got one vaccine. Imagine how off the rails the anti vaxxers are?
Cal, do you have concerns about a yearly flu shot? Is that "communist China" too?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
https://www.aol.com/employers-firing-more-people-over-114647480.html
Forging fake vaccine cards is a federal crime, but what are employers doing about it?
And just for the woodpecker Cal had the vaccine. So did almost everybody on the board.
WSS
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https://www.aol.com/employers-firing-more-people-over-114647480.html
Forging fake vaccine cards is a federal crime, but what are employers doing about it?
And just for the woodpecker Cal had the vaccine. So did almost everybody on the board.
WSS
https://www.aol.com/employers-firing-more-people-over-114647480.html
Forging fake vaccine cards is a federal crime, but what are employers doing about it?
And just for the woodpecker Cal had the vaccine. So did almost everybody on the board.
WSS
Yep, got my 3rd Pfizer shot on Friday.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
for us, I'm 70 - we were happy to get the Phizer vaccine. But...I've read where the booster with different vaccines is a different deal - changes inside of you afterwards?
beats me, I'm not a medical guy. We'll check with our family dr. Got exposed to covid ten days ago- sprayed lysol around the house...we're fine. Good to be vaccinated. A youngster tested positive- got over it. No one else in their family got it. Maybe a false positve? who knows.
But getting one of their boosters every single year? a bunch of horsecrap right there.
damn communist china and fauci and their secret work on "gain of function" )_())*(_)(*_)&()*&^
^ this is what I am talking about here. As someone in the medical field Vapor I'd have to imagine this is somewhat annoying. And for guys in infectious disease (or Fauci himself) it has to be downright frustrating. And this is someone that at least got one vaccine. Imagine how off the rails the anti vaxxers are?
Cal, do you have concerns about a yearly flu shot? Is that "communist China" too?
^ this is what I am talking about here. As someone in the medical field Vapor I'd have to imagine this is somewhat annoying. And for guys in infectious disease (or Fauci himself) it has to be downright frustrating. And this is someone that at least got one vaccine. Imagine how off the rails the anti vaxxers are?
Cal, do you have concerns about a yearly flu shot? Is that "communist China" too?
Only if the particular strain of flu originated from a Bio lab in China.
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woodpecker whined: ^ this is what I am talking about here. As someone in the medical field Vapor I'd have to imagine this is somewhat annoying. And for guys in infectious disease (or Fauci himself) it has to be downright frustrating. And this is someone that at least got one vaccine. Imagine how off the rails the anti vaxxers are?
Cal, do you have concerns about a yearly flu shot? Is that "communist China" too?
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Well, ignorant sissy woodpecker - the intent of the booster is to make the "waning" effectiveness of the vaccines far more a longer application of immunity...
why then would a booster be required every year? Again, you don't EXPLAIN your bitching about a post. Admit it - you have no idea of what you are talking about in your stupid fake arrogance posturing.
We got both vaccines. The booster is said to be different - not sure about why it's different, but there are questions.
and for once, just say "NO" to being asswhole stupid. Covid is not the flu. A close friend's husband died from covid - got the flu several times over the years, was still ok. You never add anything legit to any discussion. You just peck.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/covid-vaccine-additional-dose-booster-5205779
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Who gets to decide what those are? I personally don't think we should mandate risking the young and healthy to the unknown long term side effects of the vaccine because the virus is killing the elderly, diabetics, and hypertensives.
And not a single one of those is an mRNA virus that creates the massive immune response that the COVID vax does.
The left seems to be cheering on these mandates. Political power is cyclical, and what do you think conservatives are going to do with the precedent that's been set when they're back in power again? If you thought that they were draconian about abortion before...
I'm just over it man. And when I posted that, I thought, "somewhere, Vapor is out there, and I know he is going to come and comment". But I think you're an intelligent guy and your concerns come from a much more legitimate place than the rest of the board. That being said, I'm just tired of all of this. All of the "American exceptionalism! Freedom! I can do what I want!" crowd. That's what 99% of this blowback is.
And sure, yeah, the Dems will maybe do something for once and the Reps will take that, flip it, and ramp it up a good bit. I can hope that their regressive social ideas aren't going to get enough support but hey, the last few years have been very, very disappointing in that regard.
At what point will you feel comfortable with the "long term risks"?
I'm just over it man. And when I posted that, I thought, "somewhere, Vapor is out there, and I know he is going to come and comment". But I think you're an intelligent guy and your concerns come from a much more legitimate place than the rest of the board. That being said, I'm just tired of all of this. All of the "American exceptionalism! Freedom! I can do what I want!" crowd. That's what 99% of this blowback is.
And sure, yeah, the Dems will maybe do something for once and the Reps will take that, flip it, and ramp it up a good bit. I can hope that their regressive social ideas aren't going to get enough support but hey, the last few years have been very, very disappointing in that regard.
At what point will you feel comfortable with the "long term risks"?
9,000 NYC cops, firefighters sidelined over refusal to comply with vax mandate
Why is it woody, that every member of the senate and house of representatives along with their staff are exempt from vaccination mandates?
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I posted this in another thread it's already costing lives...
I posted this in another thread it's already costing lives.
Bullfuck... Let's see the links you pull out yo ass... Are they all to Memes?
Howdy boys, I'm back and hyper and sleep, but about 3 hours a nite (could be the 'roids) and looking to rep a slightly different point of view thn you may get around here. I'll put as much effort into discussion as I see coming my way... although admittedly the start of this post might be a slightly running against that grain.
One last thing... label me "a hater" and you go on Ignore... and years of Gipper trained me to never ever peek... although I do miss the ole Fart... as in from one OF to another.
Really piss me off? I'll go speech to text... and not even a vintage Gumby decoder ring will save you...
OMG... Tour has a smart phone? Yup... finally retired the ole LG flip and went 12 mini. Still learning it... I can hardly believe the power of it.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I posted this in another thread it's already costing lives.
Bullfuck... Let's see the links you pull out yo ass... Are they all to Memes?
Howdy boys, I'm back and hyper and sleep, but about 3 hours a nite (could be the 'roids) and looking to rep a slightly different point of view thn you may get around here. I'll put as much effort into discussion as I see coming my way... although admittedly the start of this post might be a slightly running against that grain.
One last thing... label me "a hater" and you go on Ignore... and years of Gipper trained me to never ever peek... although I do miss the ole Fart... as in from one OF to another.
Really piss me off? I'll go speech to text... and not even a vintage Gumby decoder ring will save you...
OMG... Tour has a smart phone? Yup... finally retired the ole LG flip and went 12 mini. Still learning it... I can hardly believe the power of it.
OMG... Tour has a smart phone? Yup... finally retired the ole LG flip and went 12 mini. Still learning it... I can hardly believe the power of it.
What did you get? I have to switch by Jan. so it still works on Consumer Cellular. The old one ain'ta gonna cut it no mo'.
Been thinkin' of switching to a less expensive I-phone like Apple SE which costs about the same as another Motorola 5G Ace android.
I prolly need to get cell phone lessons from my grandkids who seem to "get it".
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OMG... Tour has a smart phone? Yup... finally retired the ole LG flip and went 12 mini. Still learning it... I can hardly believe the power of it.
What did you get? I have to switch by Jan. so it still works on Consumer Cellular. The old one ain'ta gonna cut it no mo'.
Been thinkin' of switching to a less expensive I-phone like Apple SE which costs about the same as another Motorola 5G Ace android.
I prolly need to get cell phone lessons from my grandkids who seem to "get it".
What did you get? I have to switch by Jan. so it still works on Consumer Cellular. The old one ain'ta gonna cut it no mo'.
Been thinkin' of switching to a less expensive I-phone like Apple SE which costs about the same as another Motorola 5G Ace android.
I prolly need to get cell phone lessons from my grandkids who seem to "get it".
HA HA. Us old farts sure like consumer cellular. I've belonged for awhile. Got a new phone a few months ago, but I never text on it, the damn keyboard is so small I hit three keys with one finger.
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I posted this in another thread it's already costing lives.
Bullfuck... Let's see the links you pull out yo ass... Are they all to Memes?
Howdy boys, I'm back and hyper and sleep, but about 3 hours a nite (could be the 'roids) and looking to rep a slightly different point of view thn you may get around here. I'll put as much effort into discussion as I see coming my way... although admittedly the start of this post might be a slightly running against that grain.
One last thing... label me "a hater" and you go on Ignore... and years of Gipper trained me to never ever peek... although I do miss the ole Fart... as in from one OF to another.
Really piss me off? I'll go speech to text... and not even a vintage Gumby decoder ring will save you...
OMG... Tour has a smart phone? Yup... finally retired the ole LG flip and went 12 mini. Still learning it... I can hardly believe the power of it.
Bullfuck... Let's see the links you pull out yo ass... Are they all to Memes?
Howdy boys, I'm back and hyper and sleep, but about 3 hours a nite (could be the 'roids) and looking to rep a slightly different point of view thn you may get around here. I'll put as much effort into discussion as I see coming my way... although admittedly the start of this post might be a slightly running against that grain.
One last thing... label me "a hater" and you go on Ignore... and years of Gipper trained me to never ever peek... although I do miss the ole Fart... as in from one OF to another.
Really piss me off? I'll go speech to text... and not even a vintage Gumby decoder ring will save you...
OMG... Tour has a smart phone? Yup... finally retired the ole LG flip and went 12 mini. Still learning it... I can hardly believe the power of it.
No kidding, ignore doesn't really work if you click on the post anyway. Haha. One of our guys whose name I won't mention;-) says he has everybody he hates on ignore and bitches about them constantly.
Anyway I'm glad to have more liberals. Haha. ??
By the way steroids or hemorrhoids?
WSS
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I posted this in another thread it's already costing lives.
Bullfuck... Let's see the links you pull out yo ass... Are they all to Memes?
Howdy boys, I'm back and hyper and sleep, but about 3 hours a nite (could be the 'roids) and looking to rep a slightly different point of view thn you may get around here. I'll put as much effort into discussion as I see coming my way... although admittedly the start of this post might be a slightly running against that grain.
One last thing... label me "a hater" and you go on Ignore... and years of Gipper trained me to never ever peek... although I do miss the ole Fart... as in from one OF to another.
Really piss me off? I'll go speech to text... and not even a vintage Gumby decoder ring will save you...
OMG... Tour has a smart phone? Yup... finally retired the ole LG flip and went 12 mini. Still learning it... I can hardly believe the power of it.
Bullfuck... Let's see the links you pull out yo ass... Are they all to Memes?
Howdy boys, I'm back and hyper and sleep, but about 3 hours a nite (could be the 'roids) and looking to rep a slightly different point of view thn you may get around here. I'll put as much effort into discussion as I see coming my way... although admittedly the start of this post might be a slightly running against that grain.
One last thing... label me "a hater" and you go on Ignore... and years of Gipper trained me to never ever peek... although I do miss the ole Fart... as in from one OF to another.
Really piss me off? I'll go speech to text... and not even a vintage Gumby decoder ring will save you...
OMG... Tour has a smart phone? Yup... finally retired the ole LG flip and went 12 mini. Still learning it... I can hardly believe the power of it.
The link is in the post you just need to click on it...
'Jab' turns into low blow
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