Time to cut and run
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@shepwrite said:
He won't get cut. We need him while Harrison gets up to 100 percent. He's more likely to be phased out like Edge.I think this is more likely the case. I'm not huge on Lewis, but we just don't have the depth and experience to cut him.
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Lewis also has one thing no other back has in Cleveland, a history of 1,000 yard seasons.
You ever hear of Jim Brown? Leroy Kelly?
You ever hear of Jim Brown? Leroy Kelly?
Last I checked Jim Brown and Leroy Kelly, Kevin Mack, Earnest Byner, Gregg Pruitt and Mike Pruitt are no longer on the roster or did I miss something? I hope you were just being sarcastic but obviously we are talking about the 2009 Browns.
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Who is with me? We are a much better offense with him gone. He is good on screens when he is in open fiels...that's about it! I truly can't stand to watch this over the hill running back carry the ball for the Cleveland Browns anymore...another Savage casualty, for me! He just doesn't have it anymore!
Who is with me? We are a much better offense with him gone. He is good on screens when he is in open fiels...that's about it! I truly can't stand to watch this over the hill running back carry the ball for the Cleveland Browns anymore...another Savage casualty, for me! He just doesn't have it anymore!
Well it looks like Mangini is NOT with you.. saw this small article today.. From Manigini's mouth. I am with the coach on this one..Jamal will be just fine this year.. if not.. THEN you look to someone else.. he has hardly touched the ball this year.. and he is the kind of back that gets better with more and more carries as the game goes on..he is good at wearing down a defense... however, Don't expect much vs the vikings..no one runs on them.
James Davis, RB, Cleveland Browns Friday 9/4, 2:05 PM CT
Browns coach Eric Mangini said on Friday that rookie running back James Davis is not yet a threat to Jamal Lewis' starting job, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
Our View: Davis rushed for a robust 186 yards on 24 carries ( 7.8 yards per carry) this preseason, while Lewis looked even older and slower than the back that averaged just 3.6 yards per carry last season. It's possible the veteran Lewis could keep his starting job all season, but it's not looking likely at this point.
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If James Davs was going to overtake Lewis than Mangini would have (or should have) planned for it my sticking the rock in JD's belly twice as much as he did, and against the 1's. He didn't so JD will have to take it over the course of the season. He didn't get enough carries to take the job and I think because of that Mangini's plan all along was to start Lewis and give JD a chance to make his move.
Pit and Bal make a lot of backs look shitty so no need to put "starter pressure" on this kid so fast and have him lose confidence against Min, Pit, Bal ect......
A perfect world is Lewis and Davis trading carries and 1-2 punching teams with Harrison the clean up hitter on 3rd down.
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You're out of your mind. He is THE perfect RB at this point to both mentor the young guys and not make a huge deal splitting carries. The guy is all heart and a TEAM player that's very well respected
Plus he is paid. He will have games where your are glad we kept him. He most likely knows we are going young and knows where he stands. He is perfect.
Not your best idea Solon.
You're out of your mind. He is THE perfect RB at this point to both mentor the young guys and not make a huge deal splitting carries. The guy is all heart and a TEAM player that's very well respected
Plus he is paid. He will have games where your are glad we kept him. He most likely knows we are going young and knows where he stands. He is perfect.
Not your best idea Solon.
Out of my mind...Not. Lewis sucks!
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I agree. Lewis stinks ass. Don't take stock in what Mangini says. He comes from the Belichick school. He tells the media nothing, therefore they get nothing. BTW, I love Davis' running style.
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You're out of your mind. He is THE perfect RB at this point to both mentor the young guys and not make a huge deal splitting carries. The guy is all heart and a TEAM player that's very well respected
Plus he is paid. He will have games where your are glad we kept him. He most likely knows we are going young and knows where he stands. He is perfect.
Not your best idea Solon.
Out of my mind...Not. Lewis sucks!
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He's made Schefter's big name bubble list.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...jamal_lewi.html
Rumors persist that Jamal Lewis might be cut by Browns
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Friday September 04, 2009, 5:18 PM
Could Browns running back Jamal Lewis be cut Saturday when the Browns trim their roster to 53?
League sources said rumblings began a couple of days ago that Lewis, who turned 30 last week, could be one of the dozen players the Browns let go, and espn.com's Adam Schefter Friday put Lewis at the top of his list of big-name players on the bubble. Nationalfootballpost.com's Mike Lombardi also speculated Lewis will be cut.
Question is, would the Browns release a player after giving him a $3.5 million roster bonus in March? Would they put the ball in the hands of rookie running back James Davis? And what about Jerome Harrison, still recovering from a left knee injury?
"Nobody has told us anything about Jamal," said his agent Mitch Frankel. "We've had no conversations with the Browns about him and no one has told Jamal anything."
Frankel admitted he'd be surprised if the Browns part with the 10th-year pro.
"Jamal is a great asset to that team," he said. "But anything can happen in the NFL."
Frankel said Lewis, who's also heard the speculation, is taking it one day at a time.
"We'll wait and see like everyone else," he said.
Lewis, coming back from off-season ankle surgery, averaged 2.6 yards per carry on his 24 preseason carries with a long gain of 11. He hinted during an interview on his birthday (Aug. 26) that he wasn't going all out yet. However, his protege, Davis, averaged 7.8 yards per carry and scored on an 81-yard burst against the Lions, although many of those yards came against backups.
After Thursday night's game in Chicago, during which Lewis and the rest of the starters were idle, Lewis praised the young back, who picked up a blitz on a touchdown pass and blocked well on Gerard Lawson's 55-yard kickoff return.
"I've known him for a long time and to see him come out here and do a good job and take things in the way he has and handle things like a real professional, that's a great deal," said Lewis, who attended the same high school as Davis in Atlanta. "He runs good and he looks good and he's going to be a great back."
He's also spent much of the off-season mentoring his apparent successor.
"Whatever I know, I try to give to him and he takes it and adds to it everything else that he has and makes it special," said Lewis, who rushed for 1,304 yards in 2007. "I try to let him know everything I did wrong and how to make it right."
Lewis, who became the 24th back in NFL history last season to reach 10,000 yards, was also looking forward to sharing reps with the rookie.
"When they brought him here I was like 'that's cool' because I remember him from high school, so being able to be in the same backfield with him and practices and the same meeting rooms, and actually share my experiences with him, it's a good deal," said Lewis. "I had a Priest Holmes (as a mentor) when I came in the league and I try to pass the same things down."
If the Browns cut Lewis, that would mean they paid him $10 million for the 1,002-yard season he had in 2008. Signed to a three-year extension by Phil Savage in 2008, Lewis made $6.5 million in 2008, including bonuses, and then the $3.5 million roster bonus in 2009.
Would it be wise to cut him after that kind of investment? His base salary for 2009 is $2.4 million, which he would not get if released.
"Eric Mangini and George Kokinis are running the team and they can do whatever they want," Frankel said of the Browns coach and GM.
If it does happen, the Browns would potentially have at least $19 million on the books this season for players who are either gone, on the bench, or coming off it. Derek Anderson, who could be the backup quarterback, received a $5 million roster bonus in April. Corey Williams, who's playing behind Robaire Smith at right end, received a $6 million bonus. Receiver Donte' Stallworth, who's suspended for the season, received a $4.5 million bonus, and Lewis, $3.5 million.
Deadline for final cuts is 6 p.m. Saturday.
Others on the bubble: Rookie receiver Jordan Norwood, who showed promise early in camp, dropped a potential touchdown pass in Chicago and could be headed for the practice squad. . . . Second-year tight end Martin Rucker hopes to get the nod over free agent tight end Aaron Walker. "(Saturday) comes with some butterflies, but I feel I had a good camp and worked as hard as I could," Rucker said. . . . Running back Noah Herron suffered what appeared to be a stinger and sat out most of the Chicago game, but could make the team if Lewis doesn't. . . . Linebacker Beau Bell, the Browns' fourth-round pick in 2008, might not make the team. . . . Receiver Paul Hubbard could be headed back to the practice squad. So could second-year receiver Lance Leggette. . . . Linebacker Leon Williams could get beaten out by rookie free agent Marcus Benard.
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If you've got someone better for his spot let us know. Do you want to resign Wright?
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Sucks? Really? Most here have agreed he should give way to another starter and hopefully that guy is on this roster. But sucks? Maybe he is downgraded from starter to serviceable, but sucks seems a tad strong.
Desert, i respect your opinion but Lewis is finished in my mind and I said that last year. Tippy toeing and stutter steps drive me MAD! I'm so sick of watchin him gain two yards every play I's sicken...time to move on!
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If you've got someone better for his spot let us know. Do you want to resign Wright?
If you've got someone better for his spot let us know. Do you want to resign Wright?
There will be someone better than lewis released this weekend....no doubt in my mind!
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I don't know Solon...maybe...
Lets put it this way...if he is cut I am not going to moan....if he stays, so be it...
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I think it's a bad move to cut Jamal. Trim his carries, use him for goal line situations & short yardage.
Sick of seeing him gain 2 yds every rush? I, for one, won't be when it's 3rd or 4th and one.
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I think it's a bad move to cut Jamal. Trim his carries, use him for goal line situations & short yardage.
Sick of seeing him gain 2 yds every rush? I, for one, won't be when it's 3rd or 4th and one.
I think it's a bad move to cut Jamal. Trim his carries, use him for goal line situations & short yardage.
Sick of seeing him gain 2 yds every rush? I, for one, won't be when it's 3rd or 4th and one.
I agree. Teams pay very good money for the bruising short yardage back. If the Browns cut him, Pittsburgh is sure to call seeing him as the beefy inside runner they lost when Bettis retired.
He needs limited carries to maximize his health. He'll never be what he was but we don't need him to be. Right now, he's a willing professional and a willing mentor to Harrison and Davis. After getting rid of knuckleheads like Winslow and Smith, you don't want to shoot yourself by ridding yourself of a quality guy who can still fill a role on your team. Personally, I think if you cut a guy like Lewis you risk losing the lockerroom from day one.
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I think it's a bad move to cut Jamal. Trim his carries, use him for goal line situations & short yardage.
Sick of seeing him gain 2 yds every rush? I, for one, won't be when it's 3rd or 4th and one.
I agree. Teams pay very good money for the bruising short yardage back. If the Browns cut him, Pittsburgh is sure to call seeing him as the beefy inside runner they lost when Bettis retired.
He needs limited carries to maximize his health. He'll never be what he was but we don't need him to be. Right now, he's a willing professional and a willing mentor to Harrison and Davis. After getting rid of knuckleheads like Winslow and Smith, you don't want to shoot yourself by ridding yourself of a quality guy who can still fill a role on your team. Personally, I think if you cut a guy like Lewis you risk losing the lockerroom from day one.
I agree. Teams pay very good money for the bruising short yardage back. If the Browns cut him, Pittsburgh is sure to call seeing him as the beefy inside runner they lost when Bettis retired.
He needs limited carries to maximize his health. He'll never be what he was but we don't need him to be. Right now, he's a willing professional and a willing mentor to Harrison and Davis. After getting rid of knuckleheads like Winslow and Smith, you don't want to shoot yourself by ridding yourself of a quality guy who can still fill a role on your team. Personally, I think if you cut a guy like Lewis you risk losing the lockerroom from day one.
That's pure BS...too say we'd lose the locker room is silly, to say he's a bruising back is silly, to say Pitt would call is silly////i for one don't think he's any good any longer...C ya! Barber in Dallas is a bruiser, Jacobs for the giants is a bruiser, stephen Jackson is a bruiser....JL is NOT a bruiser...
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Lewis also has one thing no other back has in Cleveland, a history of 1,000 yard seasons.
You ever hear of Jim Brown? Leroy Kelly?
You ever hear of Jim Brown? Leroy Kelly?
Jim Brown was the BEST EVER running back, if not the BEST player on offense EVER. I think however you should keep your arguments in the same century.
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