Official Browns at Ravens Game Thread: Nov 28
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Did you watch the game? And I'm not being sarcastic. We averaged 2.4 yards per carry. There were defenders in the backfield as Chubb/Hunt were getting the ball almost the entire night - it was that bad. With 8 in the box the whole night the Ravens just dared us to throw and we had no answer.
15 total rushes in a one score game. Stef never gave his guys a chance to get into a rhythm. I guess you like the whopping 10 points that Stef's 37 (38 with his cute WR pass) passes put on the board?
15 total rushes in a one score game. Stef never gave his guys a chance to get into a rhythm. I guess you like the whopping 10 points that Stef's 37 (38 with his cute WR pass) passes put on the board?
The Ravens had 8 in the box and there were literally 2-3 Ravens players in the backfield as Chubb and Hunt were getting the ball. There is no rhythm to establish unless you want 0 points instead of 10.
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15 total rushes in a one score game. Stef never gave his guys a chance to get into a rhythm. I guess you like the whopping 10 points that Stef's 37 (38 with his cute WR pass) passes put on the board?
The Ravens had 8 in the box and there were literally 2-3 Ravens players in the backfield as Chubb and Hunt were getting the ball. There is no rhythm to establish unless you want 0 points instead of 10.
The Ravens had 8 in the box and there were literally 2-3 Ravens players in the backfield as Chubb and Hunt were getting the ball. There is no rhythm to establish unless you want 0 points instead of 10.
So early in the season when the Browns were up late and went into their 4 minute offense to seal the game and the opposition loaded the box because the entire stadium knew they were going to run, and yet they still did it anyway.... well, I guess no one told the Browns that they couldn't run with 8 in the box?
Again, if it were a 2 or 3 possession game I get it, but not in a one score game. We asked our injured, lacking in confidence and generally poor playing QB to win the game rather than our 7 best players (yes, the Conklin injury was big).
We'll never know what the score might have been if Stef tried to establish the run game, but what we do know is what the score was with him not trying to establish it.... so I guess you win??
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Winners win and losers lose. I don't have the answer and I know that Haslam doesn't either. They predicted the Browns would be first in the AFC North and they will be last. That tells me the Browns leadership (owner, coaching staff and QB) cannot handle pressure and run to the comfort of losing. Like I said after week 1, there is always next year. That should be the motto for the Browns "There is Always Next Year". NFL needs to do all Browns fans a favor, approve the move of the Browns to St Louis, end our misery.
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The running game didn't work because they stacked the box with 8 to stop Chubb and Hunt. It worked to perfection for the Ravens. The Ravens essentially said: "Try to beat us Baker". Baker couldn't. It's as simple as that.
The running game didn't work because they stacked the box with 8 to stop Chubb and Hunt. It worked to perfection for the Ravens. The Ravens essentially said: "Try to beat us Baker". Baker couldn't. It's as simple as that.
It's exactly what every good team is going to do to us.
It's what the Patriots did too.
I'd laugh my ass off if the Browns would have run the ball 60% of the time last night and had one three and out after another, you would have been hearing:
WHAT IS THIS STEFANSKI DO YOU THINK IT IS 1932 STOP HOLDING BAKER BACK!
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The running game didn't work because they stacked the box with 8 to stop Chubb and Hunt. It worked to perfection for the Ravens. The Ravens essentially said: "Try to beat us Baker". Baker couldn't. It's as simple as that.
The running game didn't work because they stacked the box with 8 to stop Chubb and Hunt. It worked to perfection for the Ravens. The Ravens essentially said: "Try to beat us Baker". Baker couldn't. It's as simple as that.
No adjustments made on offense, a QB that has proven he can’t make a play in the 4th quarter when it matters
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The running game didn't work because they stacked the box with 8 to stop Chubb and Hunt. It worked to perfection for the Ravens. The Ravens essentially said: "Try to beat us Baker". Baker couldn't. It's as simple as that.
No adjustments made on offense, a QB that has proven he can’t make a play in the 4th quarter when it matters
No adjustments made on offense, a QB that has proven he can’t make a play in the 4th quarter when it matters
Kind of hard to make plays when pass catchers have the fucking dropsies...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Losing Conklin and Bryant also hurt the run game. While the passing attack was already compromised. The defense looked great at least.
Not the year we were all expecting, but at least we still have a competitive football team.
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Kind of hard to make plays when pass catchers have the fucking dropsies...
It's like watching the Matrix, except that it's Greg Little copying himself onto our WRs and TEs. Fuckin' Stone Hand Army.
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Lots of things to be positive about. We got hit with the injury bug hard this year. JOK is a beast and was all over the field tonight. And our defense overall had an outstanding night.
What is clear is we need a #1 receiver in the draft. Even though Baker is my guy, I say you gotta take a look at QB in the draft as well. Would not be a bad thing to have a possible future QB to groom or just to have as a good backup.
I am not one of those that have given up on Baker, but you just don't know how his body will hold out.
Lots of things to be positive about. We got hit with the injury bug hard this year. JOK is a beast and was all over the field tonight. And our defense overall had an outstanding night.
What is clear is we need a #1 receiver in the draft. Even though Baker is my guy, I say you gotta take a look at QB in the draft as well. Would not be a bad thing to have a possible future QB to groom or just to have as a good backup.
I am not one of those that have given up on Baker, but you just don't know how his body will hold out.
We had an elite receiver and Stefanski didn't know how to use him. You think some rookie is going to transform the WR room next season? Baker is not elite, isn't he now 2-8 on game winning drives?
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Lots of things to be positive about. We got hit with the injury bug hard this year. JOK is a beast and was all over the field tonight. And our defense overall had an outstanding night.
What is clear is we need a #1 receiver in the draft. Even though Baker is my guy, I say you gotta take a look at QB in the draft as well. Would not be a bad thing to have a possible future QB to groom or just to have as a good backup.
I am not one of those that have given up on Baker, but you just don't know how his body will hold out.
We had an elite receiver and Stefanski didn't know how to use him. You think some rookie is going to transform the WR room next season? Baker is not elite, isn't he now 2-8 on game winning drives?
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The running game didn't work because they stacked the box with 8 to stop Chubb and Hunt. It worked to perfection for the Ravens. The Ravens essentially said: "Try to beat us Baker". Baker couldn't. It's as simple as that.
It's exactly what every good team is going to do to us.
It's what the Patriots did too.
I'd laugh my ass off if the Browns would have run the ball 60% of the time last night and had one three and out after another, you would have been hearing:
WHAT IS THIS STEFANSKI DO YOU THINK IT IS 1932 STOP HOLDING BAKER BACK!
It's exactly what every good team is going to do to us.
It's what the Patriots did too.
I'd laugh my ass off if the Browns would have run the ball 60% of the time last night and had one three and out after another, you would have been hearing:
WHAT IS THIS STEFANSKI DO YOU THINK IT IS 1932 STOP HOLDING BAKER BACK!
If you would've been told before the game that with Chubb, Hunt and the o-line healthy and together for the first time in weeks, the Browns would run the ball a total of 15 times, I'm guessing (at least I would've thought this) that you would instantly think the Browns fell behind big and did so quickly, forcing them out of their game and into a catchup plan.
I don't think anyone is saying that they should've "run 60% of the time with multiple 3 and outs" - at least I'm not, but are you able to honestly tell me that you believe Stef tried to get any establishment of the running game and the LOS last night?
Also, for everyone OK with the lack of rushing attempts and since the Raven's defense did something so magical and innovative last night that no team has ever done in the history of the game, and you are completely satisfied with the 15 rushes from the #1 rushing team in the league, then what is your limit? Should they have rushed just 10 times? 7? 3? "Fuck it all, there are 8 men there, let's just pass every snap".
^ It's a serious question. I mean if you are happy with less than 4 rushes per quarter from the league's top rushing team in a low scoring, 1 score game, then you would probably be happy with even less, so what's everyone's number before even you would finally say "WTF Stef?"
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Losing Conklin and Bryant also hurt the run game. While the passing attack was already compromised. The defense looked great at least.
Not the year we were all expecting, but at least we still have a competitive football team.
Losing Conklin and Bryant also hurt the run game. While the passing attack was already compromised. The defense looked great at least.
Not the year we were all expecting, but at least we still have a competitive football team.
Yeah... That great Defense that couldnt stop the run last night...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
While we typically lineup and pound teams and 17 runs in a close game is not acceptable Screens/counters/end arounds would have been nice last night to offset the Ravens downhill pressure. We had a screen setup beautifully that Baker fumbled away I didn’t believe we went back to that.
The problem was two fold- Baker is not seeing the field well (that’s kind of who he is- injury or no injury) and the WRs were not getting separation. That is almost a perfect storm for passing incompetence. But I thought we did a decent job pass protecting.
after 12 games do we know who we are?
Baker is hurt and the WRs aren’t great….I think our three headed monster in the backfield should be the focal point - ball in their hands whether it’s run/pass or trick play.
Joe Woods and defense were spectacular. If they can consistently give us something close to that with the ball primarily given to our three backs- that is what we have and who we are right now and how we can win.
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Losing Conklin and Bryant also hurt the run game. While the passing attack was already compromised. The defense looked great at least.
Not the year we were all expecting, but at least we still have a competitive football team.
Yeah... That great Defense that couldnt stop the run last night...
Yeah... That great Defense that couldnt stop the run last night...
4 INTs and holding Baltimore to 16. Lamar 4 YPC and freeman 3.3 YPC. I’ll take that effort.
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Losing Conklin and Bryant also hurt the run game. While the passing attack was already compromised. The defense looked great at least.
Not the year we were all expecting, but at least we still have a competitive football team.
Yeah... That great Defense that couldnt stop the run last night...
Yeah... That great Defense that couldnt stop the run last night...
No.
I don’t care for Joe and his scheme but both Joe and defense did a GREAT job last night.
He’s blitzing a little on 3rd and long too.
Lamar is a dynamic playmaker and he was not only held in check but we beat him (four turnovers). That’s a good offense on the road that we held in check.
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Lots of things to be positive about. We got hit with the injury bug hard this year. JOK is a beast and was all over the field tonight. And our defense overall had an outstanding night.
What is clear is we need a #1 receiver in the draft. Even though Baker is my guy, I say you gotta take a look at QB in the draft as well. Would not be a bad thing to have a possible future QB to groom or just to have as a good backup.
I am not one of those that have given up on Baker, but you just don't know how his body will hold out.
We had an elite receiver and Stefanski didn't know how to use him. You think some rookie is going to transform the WR room next season? Baker is not elite, isn't he now 2-8 on game winning drives?
We had an elite receiver and Stefanski didn't know how to use him. You think some rookie is going to transform the WR room next season? Baker is not elite, isn't he now 2-8 on game winning drives?
Beckham was not a fit. He was a "me first" guy. This is not the way this team is built.
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It's exactly what every good team is going to do to us.
It's what the Patriots did too.
I'd laugh my ass off if the Browns would have run the ball 60% of the time last night and had one three and out after another, you would have been hearing:
WHAT IS THIS STEFANSKI DO YOU THINK IT IS 1932 STOP HOLDING BAKER BACK!
If you would've been told before the game that with Chubb, Hunt and the o-line healthy and together for the first time in weeks, the Browns would run the ball a total of 15 times, I'm guessing (at least I would've thought this) that you would instantly think the Browns fell behind big and did so quickly, forcing them out of their game and into a catchup plan.
I don't think anyone is saying that they should've "run 60% of the time with multiple 3 and outs" - at least I'm not, but are you able to honestly tell me that you believe Stef tried to get any establishment of the running game and the LOS last night?
Also, for everyone OK with the lack of rushing attempts and since the Raven's defense did something so magical and innovative last night that no team has ever done in the history of the game, and you are completely satisfied with the 15 rushes from the #1 rushing team in the league, then what is your limit? Should they have rushed just 10 times? 7? 3? "Fuck it all, there are 8 men there, let's just pass every snap".
^ It's a serious question. I mean if you are happy with less than 4 rushes per quarter from the league's top rushing team in a low scoring, 1 score game, then you would probably be happy with even less, so what's everyone's number before even you would finally say "WTF Stef?"
If you would've been told before the game that with Chubb, Hunt and the o-line healthy and together for the first time in weeks, the Browns would run the ball a total of 15 times, I'm guessing (at least I would've thought this) that you would instantly think the Browns fell behind big and did so quickly, forcing them out of their game and into a catchup plan.
I don't think anyone is saying that they should've "run 60% of the time with multiple 3 and outs" - at least I'm not, but are you able to honestly tell me that you believe Stef tried to get any establishment of the running game and the LOS last night?
Also, for everyone OK with the lack of rushing attempts and since the Raven's defense did something so magical and innovative last night that no team has ever done in the history of the game, and you are completely satisfied with the 15 rushes from the #1 rushing team in the league, then what is your limit? Should they have rushed just 10 times? 7? 3? "Fuck it all, there are 8 men there, let's just pass every snap".
^ It's a serious question. I mean if you are happy with less than 4 rushes per quarter from the league's top rushing team in a low scoring, 1 score game, then you would probably be happy with even less, so what's everyone's number before even you would finally say "WTF Stef?"
Sweet jesus, you just don't get it. Yes, we are a run first team and we hope to run the ball 30-40 times a game because we have the best 1-2 punch in the league. Sometimes, the other team's defense is just better and you have to abandon the run and throw because that is what the defense is giving you. We can't throw because our quarterback is a bottom 10 quarterback right now.
You don't keep running the ball when the Ravens have 2-3 guys swarming Chubb and Hunt at the point of the handoff.
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Beckham was not a fit. He was a "me first" guy. This is not the way this team is built.
Besides I think uh-OBJ might have been slightly to more than slightly damaged goods when he left NY and was so happy to be coming to another team........ just a hunch but who knows.
And his attitude both here and elsewhere like celebrating with the LSU guys with handfuls of $100s shows his lack of character.
Just my opinion of course.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Beckham was not a fit. He was a "me first" guy. This is not the way this team is built.
Don't want to hijack the thread but other than demanding out because he wasn't being used properly when else was he "me first" with the Browns? This offense needs an elite receiver but isn't designed to keep one happy, same thing happened with Diggs in Minnesota. Stefanski should've modified his playbook like Shannahan does to keep him happy until we really needed him like now and in the playoffs. No we see how shitty our receivers are now that they're drawing the coverage Beckham used to receive.
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