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  • @dutch-oven said:

    I hesitated in even mentioning Leal as a potential pick in the first, I definitely do not want the Browns to use a top half of the first round pick on a 340lb DT. ranks in most top 15's

    I agree, I think Davis slides. Defensive Tackle seems like a position now that you just load up on depth guys instead of using a high pick on. I've seen the Browns take DTackles in the first fairly recently that were reaches already. If you do take a DT that high, the guy better be a plus in the run game and being disruptive in the pass game.

    This list would prove your right... https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/dt  they went wrong in 2017 though..

    My stud.. Jonathan Allen Bama went to WFT pick #17.. 

    just can't miss in round 1..

    @gumby73 said:

    This list would prove your right... https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/dt  they went wrong in 2017 though..

    My stud.. Jonathan Allen Bama went to WFT pick #17.. 

    just can't miss in round 1..

    @dutch-oven said:

    Williams seems like another good prospect to add to the list.

    One way or another, the Browns should have a WR or DLineman fall into their laps if they want to go in either of those directions. 

    And I just saw a mock that has the Steelers QB replacement for Big Ben fall into their laps in Pitt's QB Kenny Pickett. That would be so them. 

    @texasag1969 said:

    Could be. Announced today Big Ben is retiring after this season.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32788145/sources-ben-roethlisberger-expects-his-last-season-pittsburgh-steelers

    Going to be adding late round QB's to my watch list.  

    You guys are welcomed to view my latest additions to the 'Baker' thread which prompted said QB addition.

  • @gumby73 said:

    This list would prove your right... https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/dt  they went wrong in 2017 though..

    My stud.. Jonathan Allen Bama went to WFT pick #17.. 

    just can't miss in round 1..

    @dutch-oven said:

    Williams seems like another good prospect to add to the list.

    One way or another, the Browns should have a WR or DLineman fall into their laps if they want to go in either of those directions. 

    And I just saw a mock that has the Steelers QB replacement for Big Ben fall into their laps in Pitt's QB Kenny Pickett. That would be so them. 

    @texasag1969 said:

    Could be. Announced today Big Ben is retiring after this season.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32788145/sources-ben-roethlisberger-expects-his-last-season-pittsburgh-steelers

    Going to be adding late round QB's to my watch list.  

    You guys are welcomed to view my latest additions to the 'Baker' thread which prompted said QB addition.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Going to be adding late round QB's to my watch list.  

    You guys are welcomed to view my latest additions to the 'Baker' thread which prompted said QB addition.

    Yep, I saw it. I thought Warner was being a bit too kind to the QB. Sure he has receiver's (including RB's out of the backfield) not running precise routes, but he is also missing a lot 

    of open throws. One thing I know for sure is we need at least one more really well trained receiver and Bama puts out a lot of those. Which is why I said what I said about their latest. He's

    as good as any of the others who have come out in recent years. Up there with Jones IMO.

    EDIT: I just went to Walterfootball mock draft and they have us taking the first WR (#15) as Arkansas' Treylon Burks and Detroit picks up the second in Bama's Williamson later @ #23. I've seen 'em both play and I like field stretching, speed burning Williamson a lot better. He's a take it to the house threat on any play because he's also pretty good breaking tackles. Add in the usual great coaching he's had and bingo, instant starter.

    EDIT #2: Side note back to Leal. Drafttek has him listed as their top player at DL Tech-3 and Tech-5 coming in around #11 player overall. Browns keep playing this way and he will likely be there if we decide to go that route. A lot will depend on what we do in the off-season leading into the draft of course. But he just might be BPA when it's our turn to pick.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Going to be adding late round QB's to my watch list.  

    You guys are welcomed to view my latest additions to the 'Baker' thread which prompted said QB addition.

    Yep, I saw it. I thought Warner was being a bit too kind to the QB. Sure he has receiver's (including RB's out of the backfield) not running precise routes, but he is also missing a lot 

    of open throws. One thing I know for sure is we need at least one more really well trained receiver and Bama puts out a lot of those. Which is why I said what I said about their latest. He's

    as good as any of the others who have come out in recent years. Up there with Jones IMO.

    EDIT: I just went to Walterfootball mock draft and they have us taking the first WR (#15) as Arkansas' Treylon Burks and Detroit picks up the second in Bama's Williamson later @ #23. I've seen 'em both play and I like field stretching, speed burning Williamson a lot better. He's a take it to the house threat on any play because he's also pretty good breaking tackles. Add in the usual great coaching he's had and bingo, instant starter.

    EDIT #2: Side note back to Leal. Drafttek has him listed as their top player at DL Tech-3 and Tech-5 coming in around #11 player overall. Browns keep playing this way and he will likely be there if we decide to go that route. A lot will depend on what we do in the off-season leading into the draft of course. But he just might be BPA when it's our turn to pick.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Yep, I saw it. I thought Warner was being a bit too kind to the QB. Sure he has receiver's (including RB's out of the backfield) not running precise routes, but he is also missing a lot 

    of open throws. One thing I know for sure is we need at least one more really well trained receiver and Bama puts out a lot of those. Which is why I said what I said about their latest. He's

    as good as any of the others who have come out in recent years. Up there with Jones IMO.

    I'm going to stop you right there. Cooper, Ridley,  Ruggs, Smith, Waddle...  good players bordering on great.  Same for William's and Metchie.

    Delusion at best believing they're on Julio's level.  JJ is/was an elite and rare prospect, future HoF'er who was great in every aspect of the game both on and off the field.  None of them carry his combination of physical ability and mental command of the position.

    "Up there" sells Julio waaaaay too short.

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Yep, I saw it. I thought Warner was being a bit too kind to the QB. Sure he has receiver's (including RB's out of the backfield) not running precise routes, but he is also missing a lot 

    of open throws. One thing I know for sure is we need at least one more really well trained receiver and Bama puts out a lot of those. Which is why I said what I said about their latest. He's

    as good as any of the others who have come out in recent years. Up there with Jones IMO.

    I'm going to stop you right there. Cooper, Ridley,  Ruggs, Smith, Waddle...  good players bordering on great.  Same for William's and Metchie.

    Delusion at best believing they're on Julio's level.  JJ is/was an elite and rare prospect, future HoF'er who was great in every aspect of the game both on and off the field.  None of them carry his combination of physical ability and mental command of the position.

    "Up there" sells Julio waaaaay too short.

    @tiamat63 said:

    I'm going to stop you right there. Cooper, Ridley,  Ruggs, Smith, Waddle...  good players bordering on great.  Same for William's and Metchie.

    Delusion at best believing they're on Julio's level.  JJ is/was an elite and rare prospect, future HoF'er who was great in every aspect of the game both on and off the field.  None of them carry his combination of physical ability and mental command of the position.

    "Up there" sells Julio waaaaay too short.

    I think he's closer at this stage than any of the others were. That little extra kick and ability to run through tackles is what I like most. Time will tell if he becomes the pro that Julio became. I've watched Metchie have too many drops to be in the same category as the rest. Saban said this morning he has a significant knee injury, so it appears he is out for the playoffs. Be interesting to see who is next up in the pipeline.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    I'm going to stop you right there. Cooper, Ridley,  Ruggs, Smith, Waddle...  good players bordering on great.  Same for William's and Metchie.

    Delusion at best believing they're on Julio's level.  JJ is/was an elite and rare prospect, future HoF'er who was great in every aspect of the game both on and off the field.  None of them carry his combination of physical ability and mental command of the position.

    "Up there" sells Julio waaaaay too short.

    I think he's closer at this stage than any of the others were. That little extra kick and ability to run through tackles is what I like most. Time will tell if he becomes the pro that Julio became. I've watched Metchie have too many drops to be in the same category as the rest. Saban said this morning he has a significant knee injury, so it appears he is out for the playoffs. Be interesting to see who is next up in the pipeline.

    @texasag1969 said:

    I think he's closer at this stage than any of the others were. That little extra kick and ability to run through tackles is what I like most. Time will tell if he becomes the pro that Julio became. I've watched Metchie have too many drops to be in the same category as the rest. Saban said this morning he has a significant knee injury, so it appears he is out for the playoffs. Be interesting to see who is next up in the pipeline.

    All I know is that it's a somewhat down year for college football and it's going to be topped off with an SEC circle jerk in the CFP.

  • @texasag1969 said:

    I think he's closer at this stage than any of the others were. That little extra kick and ability to run through tackles is what I like most. Time will tell if he becomes the pro that Julio became. I've watched Metchie have too many drops to be in the same category as the rest. Saban said this morning he has a significant knee injury, so it appears he is out for the playoffs. Be interesting to see who is next up in the pipeline.

    All I know is that it's a somewhat down year for college football and it's going to be topped off with an SEC circle jerk in the CFP.

    @tiamat63 said:

    All I know is that it's a somewhat down year for college football and it's going to be topped off with an SEC circle jerk in the CFP.

    Or the nemesis of OSU breaks the SEC stranglehold. Stranger things have happened with that little oblong ?ball.?

  • @tiamat63 said:

    All I know is that it's a somewhat down year for college football and it's going to be topped off with an SEC circle jerk in the CFP.

    Or the nemesis of OSU breaks the SEC stranglehold. Stranger things have happened with that little oblong ?ball.?

    @texasag1969 said:

    Or the nemesis of OSU breaks the SEC stranglehold. Stranger things have happened with that little oblong ?ball.?

    Where's that damn meteor strike when you need it? 

  • for me, I'm looking at Jameson Williams, wr, Alabama. and Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama. After the combine, might have to be

    drafted in the first or second round. I have Georgia-Alabama on record but haven't watched it yet.

  • For me, unless Conklin returns to this team, RT has taken over as greatest need before WR.

    Blake Hance is the greatest liability on this roster at any position.   He just doesn't function at OT.

  • For me, unless Conklin returns to this team, RT has taken over as greatest need before WR.

    Blake Hance is the greatest liability on this roster at any position.   He just doesn't function at OT.

    @tiamat63 said:

    For me, unless Conklin returns to this team, RT has taken over as greatest need before WR.

    Blake Hance is the greatest liability on this roster at any position.   He just doesn't function at OT.

    Highest rated draftees with highest seasonal snaps at RT.. PFF

    #51 Darrian Kenard Kentucky

    #56 Daniel Faalele Minnesota

    #57 Petit-Frere OSU

    seems like a run to take a look at

  • @tiamat63 said:

    For me, unless Conklin returns to this team, RT has taken over as greatest need before WR.

    Blake Hance is the greatest liability on this roster at any position.   He just doesn't function at OT.

    Highest rated draftees with highest seasonal snaps at RT.. PFF

    #51 Darrian Kenard Kentucky

    #56 Daniel Faalele Minnesota

    #57 Petit-Frere OSU

    seems like a run to take a look at

    @gumby73 said:

    Highest rated draftees with highest seasonal snaps at RT.. PFF

    #51 Darrian Kenard Kentucky

    #56 Daniel Faalele Minnesota

    #57 Petit-Frere OSU

    seems like a run to take a look at

    Paging Dr @tour2ma.   This is your area of focus.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    For me, unless Conklin returns to this team, RT has taken over as greatest need before WR.

    Blake Hance is the greatest liability on this roster at any position.   He just doesn't function at OT.

    Highest rated draftees with highest seasonal snaps at RT.. PFF

    #51 Darrian Kenard Kentucky

    #56 Daniel Faalele Minnesota

    #57 Petit-Frere OSU

    seems like a run to take a look at

    @gumby73 said:

    Highest rated draftees with highest seasonal snaps at RT.. PFF

    #51 Darrian Kenard Kentucky

    #56 Daniel Faalele Minnesota

    #57 Petit-Frere OSU

    seems like a run to take a look at

    Why is OSU's Petit-Frere listed in the depth chart as a LT? Do they switch him from one side to the other?

  • @gumby73 said:

    Highest rated draftees with highest seasonal snaps at RT.. PFF

    #51 Darrian Kenard Kentucky

    #56 Daniel Faalele Minnesota

    #57 Petit-Frere OSU

    seems like a run to take a look at

    Why is OSU's Petit-Frere listed in the depth chart as a LT? Do they switch him from one side to the other?

    @texasag1969 said:

    Why is OSU's Petit-Frere listed in the depth chart as a LT? Do they switch him from one side to the other?

    @gumby73 said:

    Highest rated draftees with highest seasonal snaps at RT.. PFF

    #57 Petit-Frere OSU ---- 2 sacks/2 qb hits/22 hurries of 453 pass pro attempts

    Snaps by Alignment
      2021 2020 2019
    LT 701 0 47
    LG 0 0 0
    C 0 0 0
    RG 0 0 0
    RT 67 512 193

    played enough T to swing?

    #56 Daniel Faalele Minnesota--- 1 sack/2 qb hits/5 hurries of 284 pas pro attempts

    Snaps by Alignment
      2021 2020 2019
    LT 0   0
    LG 0   0
    C 0   0
    RG 0   0
    RT 771   665

    #51 Darrian Kenard (big/raw with nasty) Kentucky 1 sack/2 qb hits/ 4 hurries on 375 pass pro attempts

    • HIGH SCHOOL St Ignatius   Played at....
    • CITY Cleveland, OH
    Snaps by Alignment
      2021 2020 2019
    LT 0 0 0
    LG 0 0 0
    C 0 0 0
    RG 0 2 0
    RT 745 695

    click here.. https://www.pff.com/draft/big-board?season=2022  click positions to tackle..click to interested players "draft guide profile"(good info 4 free) 

    AG....Check out Kenyon Green's snap profile... than tell us what position you'd favor him to play? ( he's a OL all position master of Cam Erving? nah! )

    Snaps by Alignment
      2021 2020 2019
    LT 81 0 0
    LG 408 690 0
    C 0 1 0
    RG 106 0 747
    RT 142 0 0
  • For me, unless Conklin returns to this team, RT has taken over as greatest need before WR.

    Blake Hance is the greatest liability on this roster at any position.   He just doesn't function at OT.

    @tiamat63 said:

    For me, unless Conklin returns to this team, RT has taken over as greatest need before WR.

    Blake Hance is the greatest liability on this roster at any position.   He just doesn't function at OT.

    I hope Conklin comes back; I think the Browns still need to draft another tackle. If he doesn't, then I'd want a swing tackle, just as able to flip to the left side if Wills gets banged up.

    Gumby mentioned three OT's ,

    @gumby73 said:

    Highest rated draftees with highest seasonal snaps at RT.. PFF

    #51 Darrian Kenard Kentucky

    #56 Daniel Faalele Minnesota

    #57 Petit-Frere OSU 

    seems like a run to take a look at

    Kennard and Petit-Frere could probably be swing tackles. The top swing tackle, I think, is Trevor Penning, Northern Iowa. He will go about mid-first round, I think.

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Why is OSU's Petit-Frere listed in the depth chart as a LT? Do they switch him from one side to the other?

    @gumby73 said:

    Highest rated draftees with highest seasonal snaps at RT.. PFF

    #57 Petit-Frere OSU ---- 2 sacks/2 qb hits/22 hurries of 453 pass pro attempts

    Snaps by Alignment
      2021 2020 2019
    LT 701 0 47
    LG 0 0 0
    C 0 0 0
    RG 0 0 0
    RT 67 512 193

    played enough T to swing?

    #56 Daniel Faalele Minnesota--- 1 sack/2 qb hits/5 hurries of 284 pas pro attempts

    Snaps by Alignment
      2021 2020 2019
    LT 0   0
    LG 0   0
    C 0   0
    RG 0   0
    RT 771   665

    #51 Darrian Kenard (big/raw with nasty) Kentucky 1 sack/2 qb hits/ 4 hurries on 375 pass pro attempts

    • HIGH SCHOOL St Ignatius   Played at....
    • CITY Cleveland, OH
    Snaps by Alignment
      2021 2020 2019
    LT 0 0 0
    LG 0 0 0
    C 0 0 0
    RG 0 2 0
    RT 745 695

    click here.. https://www.pff.com/draft/big-board?season=2022  click positions to tackle..click to interested players "draft guide profile"(good info 4 free) 

    AG....Check out Kenyon Green's snap profile... than tell us what position you'd favor him to play? ( he's a OL all position master of Cam Erving? nah! )

    Snaps by Alignment
      2021 2020 2019
    LT 81 0 0
    LG 408 690 0
    C 0 1 0
    RG 106 0 747
    RT 142 0 0

    @gumby73 said:

           
           
           
           
           
         

    .. https://www.pff.com/draft/big-board?season=2022  click positions to tackle..click to interested players "draft guide profile"(good info 4 free) 

    AG....Check out Kenyon Green's snap profile... than tell us what position you'd favor him to play? ( he's a OL all position master of Cam Erving? nah! )

    Snaps by Alignment
      2021 2020 2019
    LT 81 0 0
    LG 408 690 0
    C 0 1 0
    RG 106 0 747
    RT 142 0 0

    I think his more natural position was at guard and A&M ended up putting him at LG to fit the rest of the team players strengths since he was the most flexible/versatile.

  • Fab 4 list after we can't miss in rounds 1 or 2...

    Nebraska -rover- CB/LB/S  JoJo Dollman----  I put Dollman in the College football HOF ? after he wrecked just about everything the Buckeyes threw at him.. I've see ranks in the 90's

    edit--https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/jojo-domann-2022-nfl-draft-profile-nebraska-cornhuskers

    Coastal Carolina TE Isiah Likely---- Used like Njoku inside or outside at Coastal... Just feels right/ to add by subtraction.. seen a single #77 ranking

    Bearcats WR Alec Pierce----- think lean/slow/ white Adam Thielen that finds openings/ with ways to catch mostly any ball chucked at him.. only seen walt, has him as ranked #13 WR

    Clemson LB James Skalski---- Yeah, most don't like Skal around here... slow/can't cover/ but he hits ? that moves.. Walt's early big board list Skalski at prospect #68

  • Fab 4 list after we can't miss in rounds 1 or 2...

    Nebraska -rover- CB/LB/S  JoJo Dollman----  I put Dollman in the College football HOF ? after he wrecked just about everything the Buckeyes threw at him.. I've see ranks in the 90's

    edit--https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/jojo-domann-2022-nfl-draft-profile-nebraska-cornhuskers

    Coastal Carolina TE Isiah Likely---- Used like Njoku inside or outside at Coastal... Just feels right/ to add by subtraction.. seen a single #77 ranking

    Bearcats WR Alec Pierce----- think lean/slow/ white Adam Thielen that finds openings/ with ways to catch mostly any ball chucked at him.. only seen walt, has him as ranked #13 WR

    Clemson LB James Skalski---- Yeah, most don't like Skal around here... slow/can't cover/ but he hits ? that moves.. Walt's early big board list Skalski at prospect #68

    @gumby73 said:

    Fab 4 list after we can't miss in rounds 1 or 2...

    Nebraska -rover- CB/LB/S  JoJo Dollman----  I put Dollman in the College football HOF ? after he wrecked just about everything the Buckeyes threw at him.. I've see ranks in the 90's

    Coastal Carolina TE Isiah Likely---- Used like Njoku inside or outside at Coastal... Just feels right/ to add by subtraction.. seen a single #77 ranking

    Bearcats WR Alec Pierce----- think lean/slow/ white Adam Thielen that finds openings/ with ways to catch mostly any ball chucked at him.. only seen walt, has him as ranked #13 WR

    Clemson LB James Skalski---- Yeah, most don't like Skal around here... slow/can't cover/ but he hits ? that moves.. Walt's early big board list Skalski at prospect #68

    I'm going to go ahead and tell you that Skalski ain't going anywhere near #68 barring a monster performance at the combine.   Not sure why Walt has him top 100.

  • I mentioned Jojo Dollman during the OSU Nebraska game…major versatility.

    A couple other names BIgTen

    Jaquan Brisker PSU Box Safety.  Plus Athlete and a tackler 

    Daniel Faalele OT Minnesota big dude that excels at run blocking 

    Do Not Draft List…

    Zach Harrison OSU he’s gonna have an awesome pro day but please watch the tape.  Softest most undisciplined 5 star recruit 

  • With where we're picking, if we're looking EDGE, Michigan's David Ojabo will be mocked there. Having him learn behind some of the vets could work out really well. 

  • Wake Forest- Hartman at QB.  This slow play RPO is just whacky.