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    @mjp28 said:

    I've been a fan since 57 or so and have seen good, great, kardiac and more recently ok, bad and the last few years of great expectations.  

    Unfulfilled great expectations year after year gets hard to take after a short period of time.

    Not making the playoffs this year would not make anyone very happy  no matter how long you've been a BROWNS fan.

    Clear enough ?  Even with covid going around why did it hit the BROWNS' so bad ? No playoffs would require answers.  

    Any other feelings or comments about this ?

    Right with you there mjp. I don't go back quite as far, but the unfulfilled expectations just keep piling up. Red Right 88 (I was there). The Drive, The Fumble. The Move. Now "The Covid". Like you I'm running out of "Next Years" fast. 

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    @hoorta said:

    Right with you there mjp. I don't go back quite as far, but the unfulfilled expectations just keep piling up. Red Right 88 (I was there). The Drive, The Fumble. The Move.

    Now "The Covid". Like you I'm running out of "Next Years" fast. 

    You've pretty much got it all except the BROWNS'  64  ? Championship (I was 14) and Jim Brown retired (July 1966 I was 15) and devistated !  Only 9 years in the league 8 of 9 leading rusher, why, why.......ok I'm over that, maybe.  

    You get tough, resilient but then the one more big one before you know the final buzzer creeps in....... and then you get the 2018, 2019 teams then covid but the 11-5 and then maybe you know maybe 12-4 or 13-3 then  *splat* reality strikes again.  But what about next year.........

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      The fact they were in it to the end speaks about the depth on this team. McLaughlin missing another big kick. What's up with Wyatt Teller, another costly holding call. 

      Nick Mullens really impressed me with a gutty performance coming in and not really showing any nerves. Made some big throws, really impressed with his mental toughness. I really don't think having Baker would have made all that much of a difference, the line really wasn't opening many holes tonight. Don't think a banged up Baker gives us more than Mullens did tonight.

      Why no D'Earnest Johnson running the ball, you would think he isn't even on the team anymore.

      The Browns really put in a valiant effort tonight given the circumstances but there is no trophy for second place.

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      @neo said:

      Why no D'Earnest Johnson running the ball, you would think he isn't even on the team anymore

      We had this guy called Nick Chubb.  He's really good.

      3rd and 3.  We were THAT close to winning this game.  I was thinking play action to Harrison Bryant for the win.

      Mullins did a nice job of managing his position.  

      The Defense, as undermanned as they were, did a good job.  Good enough to win.

      We've just played two teams in a row that can make FG's.  That's a competitive advantage against us.

      I feel like we could'a, would'a, should'a won this one.  And now we can't lose again until the Super Bowl is over.

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        The fact they were in it to the end speaks about the depth on this team. McLaughlin missing another big kick. What's up with Wyatt Teller, another costly holding call. 

        Nick Mullens really impressed me with a gutty performance coming in and not really showing any nerves. Made some big throws, really impressed with his mental toughness. I really don't think having Baker would have made all that much of a difference, the line really wasn't opening many holes tonight. Don't think a banged up Baker gives us more than Mullens did tonight.

        Why no D'Earnest Johnson running the ball, you would think he isn't even on the team anymore.

        The Browns really put in a valiant effort tonight given the circumstances but there is no trophy for second place.

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        @neo said:

        The Browns really put in a valiant effort tonight given the circumstances but there is no trophy for second place.

        But we get a medal. ?

        And if not for the continuing saga of Browns kicker woes, that was a win for the taking.

        Somebody needs a long kicker jersey like we once had for QBs.

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          Just woke up, got home from the game around 10pm last night.

          It was kind of a weird atmosphere in the 1st quarter. The starting time, maybe lack of parking spaces subdued folks. Place was only like 30% full until halftime.

          Really an unfortunate turn of events with all the players out. The NFL did us a favor and we still couldn't capitalize. It just seems Cle sports teams have this aura where the ceilings never get reached. 

          Obviously i didn't see a replay at the stadium, but that Defensive pass interference call looked like BS. I'm sick of underthrown balls becoming 45 yard gains by refs judgements....it's an ongoing problem league wide. I feel sorry for CBs...that lead to the Raiders only TD.

          It's going to take a miracle now. Even the Browns' best effort probably won't be enough vs the Packers, then the hell hole called Heinz up next. Sure hope I'm wrong.

          Like a few here who are long time fans, jeez one of these seasons a Super Bowl win will happen. Just hope I get to see it, been going down there since 1971.

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            Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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            I know exactly how I feel. Like we missed an opportunity to really define this franchise in a good way instead of the final season with a thud.

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              The fact they were in it to the end speaks about the depth on this team. McLaughlin missing another big kick. What's up with Wyatt Teller, another costly holding call. 

              Nick Mullens really impressed me with a gutty performance coming in and not really showing any nerves. Made some big throws, really impressed with his mental toughness. I really don't think having Baker would have made all that much of a difference, the line really wasn't opening many holes tonight. Don't think a banged up Baker gives us more than Mullens did tonight.

              Why no D'Earnest Johnson running the ball, you would think he isn't even on the team anymore.

              The Browns really put in a valiant effort tonight given the circumstances but there is no trophy for second place.

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              @neo said:

              The fact they were in it to the end speaks about the depth on this team. McLaughlin missing another big kick. What's up with Wyatt Teller, another costly holding call. 

              Nick Mullens really impressed me with a gutty performance coming in and not really showing any nerves. Made some big throws, really impressed with his mental toughness. I really don't think having Baker would have made all that much of a difference, the line really wasn't opening many holes tonight. Don't think a banged up Baker gives us more than Mullens did tonight.

              Why no D'Earnest Johnson running the ball, you would think he isn't even on the team anymore.

              The Browns really put in a valiant effort tonight given the circumstances but there is no trophy for second place.

              I agree with what you said about Mullens and  i would think his performance should end the days of kennum and his contract

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                @neo said:

                The fact they were in it to the end speaks about the depth on this team. McLaughlin missing another big kick. What's up with Wyatt Teller, another costly holding call. 

                Nick Mullens really impressed me with a gutty performance coming in and not really showing any nerves. Made some big throws, really impressed with his mental toughness. I really don't think having Baker would have made all that much of a difference, the line really wasn't opening many holes tonight. Don't think a banged up Baker gives us more than Mullens did tonight.

                Why no D'Earnest Johnson running the ball, you would think he isn't even on the team anymore.

                The Browns really put in a valiant effort tonight given the circumstances but there is no trophy for second place.

                I agree with what you said about Mullens and  i would think his performance should end the days of kennum and his contract

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                @atom said:

                should end the days of kennum and his contract

                we're laying big coin for Keenum.. I don't know if there's a higher-paid backup.

                Against the cap

                Keenum 2021: 7.33 

                Keenum 2022: 7.83

                If we cut Keenum before 6/1/2022 he's only 4/3 M against 2022 cap.

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                  Well,  it's the next day and this loss still stings. I can't believe that on the Browns last possession they couldn't pull out one of their best plays to gain enough for a first down. I understand the regular coach wasn't there but c'mon!!

                  There has to be a play somewhere in that play book that can get you a guaranteed three yards on 3rd&3.

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                    Why wasn't hands to the face called on this play, he's practically choking Nick Chubb?

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                      I usually like a good choking the Chubb. 

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                        I usually like a good choking the Chubb. 

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                        I usually like a good choking the Chubb. 

                        Funny, but the joke is on the Browns.....

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                          Well,  it's the next day and this loss still stings. I can't believe that on the Browns last possession they couldn't pull out one of their best plays to gain enough for a first down. I understand the regular coach wasn't there but c'mon!!

                          There has to be a play somewhere in that play book that can get you a guaranteed three yards on 3rd&3.

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                          gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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                          @neo said:

                          There has to be a play somewhere in that play book that can get you a guaranteed three yards on 3rd&3.

                          This offense could use a few different looks..

                          1) A legit jumbo package..for one.. I'd prefer not watching the motion/action of Harrison & Njoku not involved. Cause in the end? it's not involved.. Park a 6th lineman at the end of the line that we know that can move bodies. (Good luck stopping McDowell for a yard..keeping Jano i don't get..)

                          2) Screens..  Besides Hunt.. We have no serious Jackrabbit threats in our backfield that can catch/& turn it up.. Felton & D'E. Johnson lack any kind of explosion speed after they catch it..They get caught up in the hole before they're hitting 2nd gear..

                          Hint to 2/3......Our Qb's eyes selling these better, would also help slow down the reacting LB's/Edges (Case/Ernest... example better vs Denver)

                          3) WR Bubble screens..Thinking more on the lines of a Jakeem Grant over a JoJo Natson.. Landry can block it.. but the wheels are wearing  

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                            @neo said:

                            There has to be a play somewhere in that play book that can get you a guaranteed three yards on 3rd&3.

                            This offense could use a few different looks..

                            1) A legit jumbo package..for one.. I'd prefer not watching the motion/action of Harrison & Njoku not involved. Cause in the end? it's not involved.. Park a 6th lineman at the end of the line that we know that can move bodies. (Good luck stopping McDowell for a yard..keeping Jano i don't get..)

                            2) Screens..  Besides Hunt.. We have no serious Jackrabbit threats in our backfield that can catch/& turn it up.. Felton & D'E. Johnson lack any kind of explosion speed after they catch it..They get caught up in the hole before they're hitting 2nd gear..

                            Hint to 2/3......Our Qb's eyes selling these better, would also help slow down the reacting LB's/Edges (Case/Ernest... example better vs Denver)

                            3) WR Bubble screens..Thinking more on the lines of a Jakeem Grant over a JoJo Natson.. Landry can block it.. but the wheels are wearing  

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                            @gumby73 said:

                            This offense could use a few different looks..

                            This has to be the worst play call in NFL history in general and considering the circumstances. 9 to 10 players near the LOS and you come out in an obvious run formation and RUN THE BALL??? Anybody that plays Madden could have called a better play call than that? I know the there were people filling in because of covid but I would fire somebody over that shit.

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                              In hindsight, play action fake to Chubb, hit Njoku on a TE seam pass. Probably a 33% chance it works ( catch, drop, incompletion/interception) on that ill fated 3rd down. 

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                                were all angry.. but, nobodies getting fired either.. playing next day play-caller fixes nothing..

                                1) Mullins certainly can't change a play call..

                                2) 7 bodies on 5 up front.. Harrison should be on the LOS/Njoku unbalanced off.. fake/ Chubb /boot roll right behind Jano/Chubb.

                                3) How fast can Peoples sprint to the 39 box/ & comeback 2/3 yards?

                                a) DT Hankins was a issue most the night

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                                  were all angry.. but, nobodies getting fired either.. playing next day play-caller fixes nothing..

                                  1) Mullins certainly can't change a play call..

                                  2) 7 bodies on 5 up front.. Harrison should be on the LOS/Njoku unbalanced off.. fake/ Chubb /boot roll right behind Jano/Chubb.

                                  3) How fast can Peoples sprint to the 39 box/ & comeback 2/3 yards?

                                  a) DT Hankins was a issue most the night

                                  https://www.brownszone.com/2021/12/20/commentary-on-this-day-these-browns-deserved-a-better-fate/ 

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                                  @gumby73 said:

                                  were all angry.. but, nobodies getting fired either.. playing next day play-caller fixes nothing..

                                  1) Mullins certainly can't change a play call..

                                  Spot on 100%. I'm tired of people calling for coaches heads. Too late into the season to make a difference.

                                  Regarding Mullens, yeah he probably recognized the alignments of LV but surely doesn't have the freedom to check out of it, which sucks. The NFL is just that way today, QBs, especially newbies, their hands are tied.

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                                    I was really proud of how they fought. The three runs in a row....I was yelling "you have to throw at least once...". but nope.

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                                      were all angry.. but, nobodies getting fired either.. playing next day play-caller fixes nothing..

                                      1) Mullins certainly can't change a play call..

                                      2) 7 bodies on 5 up front.. Harrison should be on the LOS/Njoku unbalanced off.. fake/ Chubb /boot roll right behind Jano/Chubb.

                                      3) How fast can Peoples sprint to the 39 box/ & comeback 2/3 yards?

                                      a) DT Hankins was a issue most the night

                                      https://www.brownszone.com/2021/12/20/commentary-on-this-day-these-browns-deserved-a-better-fate/ 

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                                      @gumby73 said:

                                      but, nobodies getting fired either.. playing next day play-caller fixes nothing..

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                                      I'm tired of people calling for coaches heads.

                                      What happened in the LV is UNACCEPTABLE. If you ever sat there and wondered why this team seems to never have that extra something special, that MAGIC, MYSTIC, whatever you want to call it, look no further than the last possession the Browns had. A quarterback that was just thrown into a playoff type game throws a late TD to Harrison Bryant is MAGIC, Greedy Williams with a dagger INT late in the game MAGIC. Then you completely waste it by calling an absolute SHIT play call when all you need is three measly fucking yards. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Mike Priefer, isn't he the guy in charge of the whole "too many men on the field" debacle vs. the Ravens? If you're ok with mediocrity then maybe I'm in the wrong place.  

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                                        Well,  it's the next day and this loss still stings. I can't believe that on the Browns last possession they couldn't pull out one of their best plays to gain enough for a first down. I understand the regular coach wasn't there but c'mon!!

                                        There has to be a play somewhere in that play book that can get you a guaranteed three yards on 3rd&3.

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                                        @neo said:

                                        Well,  it's the next day and this loss still stings. I can't believe that on the Browns last possession they couldn't pull out one of their best plays to gain enough for a first down. I understand the regular coach wasn't there but c'mon!!

                                        There has to be a play somewhere in that play book that can get you a guaranteed three yards on 3rd&3.

                                        I don't know: On one hand you say, "Our bread and butter is our OL and Chubb, so go with that when all the chips are on the table." On the other, you say, "Don't run such an obvious play when it matters most." If they would have tried a play action pass that fell incomplete, we'd be bitching they didn't go with their bread and butter when it mattered most. <shrugs shoulders>

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                                          @neo said:

                                          Well,  it's the next day and this loss still stings. I can't believe that on the Browns last possession they couldn't pull out one of their best plays to gain enough for a first down. I understand the regular coach wasn't there but c'mon!!

                                          There has to be a play somewhere in that play book that can get you a guaranteed three yards on 3rd&3.

                                          I don't know: On one hand you say, "Our bread and butter is our OL and Chubb, so go with that when all the chips are on the table." On the other, you say, "Don't run such an obvious play when it matters most." If they would have tried a play action pass that fell incomplete, we'd be bitching they didn't go with their bread and butter when it mattered most. <shrugs shoulders>

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                                          I don't know: On one hand you say, "Our bread and butter is our OL and Chubb, so go with that when all the chips are on the table." On the other, you say, "Don't run such an obvious play when it matters most." If they would have tried a play action pass that fell incomplete, we'd be bitching they didn't go with their bread and butter when it mattered most. <shrugs shoulders>

                                          They had 9 guys stacked on the LOS and Hankins got penetration and blew the play up. At least come out in some kind of formation were passing the ball is a threat or spread them out to get them of the LOS. That play had no chance. Run your best 2pt conversion play or something,  ANYTHING. 

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