Playing for Pickett
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If we're doing anything we're trading for a proven commodity
I fully expect Baker to be the starting QB next season.
I have huge doubts about his future with the Browns after that.
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If we're doing anything we're trading for a proven commodity
An out of trouble Deshaun Watson should be the Browns first choice
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
If we're doing anything we're trading for a proven commodity
I fully expect Baker to be the starting QB next season.
I have huge doubts about his future with the Browns after that.
I fully expect Baker to be the starting QB next season.
I have huge doubts about his future with the Browns after that.
If there are serious doubts then start looking NOW
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I fully expect Baker to be the starting QB next season.
I have huge doubts about his future with the Browns after that.
If there are serious doubts then start looking NOW
If there are serious doubts then start looking NOW
I don't see a realistic scenario of an upgrade available.
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If we're doing anything we're trading for a proven commodity
I fully expect Baker to be the starting QB next season.
I have huge doubts about his future with the Browns after that.
Zombo said:
I think you are nuts for thinking we will lose the last two. If we get guys back and practicing all week, we can win those two games.
Z
Being able to win those games on paper and winning them in practice are two different things. Yes, we have the talent to win those final two games, but if it comes to to putting our chances of winning on Baker, then I'm not confident at all, based on Baker's body of work.
I fully expect Baker to be the starting QB next season.
I have huge doubts about his future with the Browns after that.
I mentioned in another thread that I believe the Browns' best course of action is to draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round in the upcoming draft and let him sit and learn the system during the final year on Baker's contract. If Baker pans out and gets an extension, then we'd have a probable solid back-up on the team behind him that would cost less than an veteran back-up. And if Baker doesn't work out and the Browns cut him after next year, then we have a young QB who already has a year in the Browns system there to replace him.
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If there are serious doubts then start looking NOW
I don't see a realistic scenario of an upgrade available.
I don't see a realistic scenario of an upgrade available.
I agree that there isn't many blue chip locks in the QB class this upcoming year as there has been in years past, but I still think would could find value in the 2nd or 3rd rounds this year that could work out after a year of practicing studying on the bench.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
If we're doing anything we're trading for a proven commodity
An out of trouble Deshaun Watson should be the Browns first choice
An out of trouble Deshaun Watson should be the Browns first choice
No thanks.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I don't see a realistic scenario of an upgrade available.
I agree that there isn't many blue chip locks in the QB class this upcoming year as there has been in years past, but I still think would could find value in the 2nd or 3rd rounds this year that could work out after a year of practicing studying on the bench.
I agree that there isn't many blue chip locks in the QB class this upcoming year as there has been in years past, but I still think would could find value in the 2nd or 3rd rounds this year that could work out after a year of practicing studying on the bench.
THIS scenario wouldn't shock me, I could see this happening.
What I meant was I don't see Mayfield replaced this offseason with someone who is the 2022 starter. The Browns drafting Baker's possible replacement down the road in the 2nd or 3rd round? I could see this.
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An out of trouble Deshaun Watson should be the Browns first choice
No thanks.
No thanks.
A legal Deshaun Watson is 10 times better then Baker Mayfield. It isn’t even close
Watson is younger, already has a contract, and is a PRO BOWL QB. He has Baker beat on EVERY FRONT
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
I agree that there isn't many blue chip locks in the QB class this upcoming year as there has been in years past, but I still think would could find value in the 2nd or 3rd rounds this year that could work out after a year of practicing studying on the bench.
THIS scenario wouldn't shock me, I could see this happening.
What I meant was I don't see Mayfield replaced this offseason with someone who is the 2022 starter. The Browns drafting Baker's possible replacement down the road in the 2nd or 3rd round? I could see this.
THIS scenario wouldn't shock me, I could see this happening.
What I meant was I don't see Mayfield replaced this offseason with someone who is the 2022 starter. The Browns drafting Baker's possible replacement down the road in the 2nd or 3rd round? I could see this.
That’s not how you win in the 2022 season
People keep saying, we need to win now, the window is open NOW
A drafted QB sitting behind Baker sure as heck isn’t going to do ANYTHING
And watching Baker muddle along through another season while we waste this “so called window”, will be just like this year
9-8 or 8-9 or maybe if we catch a break 11-6
If Deshaun Watson is available, GET IT DONE!!!!!!
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
no freaking way. I'd rather the Browns trade up and draft Pickett. The cost would be less, even just considering draft picks.
Dumping on Baker does not fix the wr problem.
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No thanks.
A legal Deshaun Watson is 10 times better then Baker Mayfield. It isn’t even close
Watson is younger, already has a contract, and is a PRO BOWL QB. He has Baker beat on EVERY FRONT
A legal Deshaun Watson is 10 times better then Baker Mayfield. It isn’t even close
Watson is younger, already has a contract, and is a PRO BOWL QB. He has Baker beat on EVERY FRONT
Ya except for the fact that he's been accused AND admitted too 20 different sexual misconduct acts with 20 different women...
You dumping 3 first rounders and a few starters for that guy? That's playing with fire. I doubt Berry takes the risk.
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THIS scenario wouldn't shock me, I could see this happening.
What I meant was I don't see Mayfield replaced this offseason with someone who is the 2022 starter. The Browns drafting Baker's possible replacement down the road in the 2nd or 3rd round? I could see this.
That’s not how you win in the 2022 season
People keep saying, we need to win now, the window is open NOW
A drafted QB sitting behind Baker sure as heck isn’t going to do ANYTHING
And watching Baker muddle along through another season while we waste this “so called window”, will be just like this year
9-8 or 8-9 or maybe if we catch a break 11-6
If Deshaun Watson is available, GET IT DONE!!!!!!
That’s not how you win in the 2022 season
People keep saying, we need to win now, the window is open NOW
A drafted QB sitting behind Baker sure as heck isn’t going to do ANYTHING
And watching Baker muddle along through another season while we waste this “so called window”, will be just like this year
9-8 or 8-9 or maybe if we catch a break 11-6
If Deshaun Watson is available, GET IT DONE!!!!!
I'm just being realistic.
Your scenario is what YOU want the Browns to do.
My scenario is what I think the Browns will do.
I don't see Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson coming to Cleveland, and I don't see the Browns giving up the world (possibly) for a PR nightmare like Watson.
I can see, though, the scenario presented by jbluhm where - on Baker's 5th year contract - the Browns draft a younger guy to groom to replace him with. I can see the Browns coaching staff and front office thinking "We believe in this offensive system. You don't need a superstar to run it. You don't need a guy you have to pay $30-40 mill a year. Find us a guy in the draft who is smart and can go through progressions better than Baker."
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I don't want to give up on Baker, and he will be here next season.
That said, I also wouldn't be against drafting a QB in say round 2 as a back-up plan for the following year in the event the team camp and the baker camp have differing views of his worth.
People keep saying we are built to win now. maybe so, but with all the 1 year deals on the books, as of this time we aren't built to do that next year.
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I don't want to give up on Baker, and he will be here next season.
That said, I also wouldn't be against drafting a QB in say round 2 as a back-up plan for the following year in the event the team camp and the baker camp have differing views of his worth.
People keep saying we are built to win now. maybe so, but with all the 1 year deals on the books, as of this time we aren't built to do that next year.
I don't want to give up on Baker, and he will be here next season.
That said, I also wouldn't be against drafting a QB in say round 2 as a back-up plan for the following year in the event the team camp and the baker camp have differing views of his worth.
People keep saying we are built to win now. maybe so, but with all the 1 year deals on the books, as of this time we aren't built to do that next year.
Our core is Garrett, Chubb, Ward, Bitonio, Teller.
Age and contract status of the group suggest drafting a developmental type in Day 2 or 3 and hanging onto that guy hoping the developmental QB is competent in two years and good in three. It would be time to hit the reset button with the other pieces.
So next year it is one read Baker
Year 2 is new guy
Year 3 we are hopefully rolling along.
What’s the other plan?
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Anybody can get lucky, but drafting a day 3 QB to develop isn't something I would bank on.
Let's be real here....day 1 QB's have a high failure rate. Ours was the #1 overall pick and while no where near a bust, at least 2 of the QBs taken after him are easily better QB's, this point and most probably moving forward.
I think the 2023 draft class is where you want to find a QB...i see us trading down several times to add picks for the 2023 draft.
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And you B L O W even more..
Baker talks the talk, but can’t walk the walk.
translation - he just can’t get it done, especially in the 4th quarter with the game on the line.
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