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    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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    Electric cars are socialism.  

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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      They will get their s*** together and electric cars will be viable in the future. They just aren't right now, but the manufacturers and the politicians realize that a lot of Americans are stupid so they can use politics to swindle us out of a few easy bucks in the short-term.

      By that time the new lefties will have some other part of the manufacturering process to whine about. ?

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        As someone who worked in the auto industry I can say that electric cars aren't a bad thing IF you have a renewable source of energy. Gas/electric hybrids SHOULD be the way to go UNTIL they can upgrade our electrical grid and come up with a renewable source of energy. Switching over from gas straight to electric is not very smart, until they improve battery technology.

        There is some good news though for us people who love traditional internal combustion engines as there are companies out there developing engines that run on hydrogen.  

        But from what I can gather, there are some drawbacks but I think hydrogen is worth developing further to make it better than developing battery tech.

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          As someone who worked in the auto industry I can say that electric cars aren't a bad thing IF you have a renewable source of energy. Gas/electric hybrids SHOULD be the way to go UNTIL they can upgrade our electrical grid and come up with a renewable source of energy. Switching over from gas straight to electric is not very smart, until they improve battery technology.

          There is some good news though for us people who love traditional internal combustion engines as there are companies out there developing engines that run on hydrogen.  

          But from what I can gather, there are some drawbacks but I think hydrogen is worth developing further to make it better than developing battery tech.

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          @neo said:

          As someone who worked in the auto industry I can say that electric cars aren't a bad thing IF you have a renewable source of energy. Gas/electric hybrids SHOULD be the way to go UNTIL they can upgrade our electrical grid and come up with a renewable source of energy. Switching over from gas straight to electric is not very smart, until they improve battery technology.

          There is some good news though for us people who love traditional internal combustion engines as there are companies out there developing engines that run on hydrogen.  

          But from what I can gather, there are some drawbacks but I think hydrogen is worth developing further to make it better than developing battery tech.

          I would guess the biggest or at least one of the biggest drawbacks is going to be distribution of power cells. If the manufacturers could get together and decide on one standardized battery pack this could be swapped out at thousands of stations across the country in a minute or two that would go a long way to making these things practical. But like different sets of midi sounds from every manufacturer of synthesizers back in the old days it's not going to be done peacefully. Of course once they all decide on I set of General midi sounds it was like taking the chains off.

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            As someone who worked in the auto industry I can say that electric cars aren't a bad thing IF you have a renewable source of energy. Gas/electric hybrids SHOULD be the way to go UNTIL they can upgrade our electrical grid and come up with a renewable source of energy. Switching over from gas straight to electric is not very smart, until they improve battery technology.

            There is some good news though for us people who love traditional internal combustion engines as there are companies out there developing engines that run on hydrogen.  

            But from what I can gather, there are some drawbacks but I think hydrogen is worth developing further to make it better than developing battery tech.

            I would guess the biggest or at least one of the biggest drawbacks is going to be distribution of power cells. If the manufacturers could get together and decide on one standardized battery pack this could be swapped out at thousands of stations across the country in a minute or two that would go a long way to making these things practical. But like different sets of midi sounds from every manufacturer of synthesizers back in the old days it's not going to be done peacefully. Of course once they all decide on I set of General midi sounds it was like taking the chains off.

            WSS 

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            @westside-steve said:

            I would guess the biggest or at least one of the biggest drawbacks is going to be distribution of power cells. If the manufacturers could get together and decide on one standardized battery pack this could be swapped out at thousands of stations across the country in a minute or two that would go a long way to making these things practical. But like different sets of midi sounds from every manufacturer of synthesizers back in the old days it's not going to be done peacefully. Of course once they all decide on I set of General midi sounds it was like taking the chains off.

            WSS 

            I don’t think they will standardize the batteries. Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda will all have their own systems 

            And it sure isn’t in their interest to make the batteries easily changed. They want you to go the dealership so they can charge $75 an hour for labor

            Cars are already that way. Most newer cars, a normal person can’t change the spark plugs anymore. My Ford doesn’t even  have a dipstick for the transmission. You have to take off the front tire and remove a plug to check it. Plus you can’t get to the last spark plug with out removing all the emissions crap and loosing the engine mounts and tilting the engine 

            "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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              @westside-steve said:

              I would guess the biggest or at least one of the biggest drawbacks is going to be distribution of power cells. If the manufacturers could get together and decide on one standardized battery pack this could be swapped out at thousands of stations across the country in a minute or two that would go a long way to making these things practical. But like different sets of midi sounds from every manufacturer of synthesizers back in the old days it's not going to be done peacefully. Of course once they all decide on I set of General midi sounds it was like taking the chains off.

              WSS 

              I don’t think they will standardize the batteries. Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda will all have their own systems 

              And it sure isn’t in their interest to make the batteries easily changed. They want you to go the dealership so they can charge $75 an hour for labor

              Cars are already that way. Most newer cars, a normal person can’t change the spark plugs anymore. My Ford doesn’t even  have a dipstick for the transmission. You have to take off the front tire and remove a plug to check it. Plus you can’t get to the last spark plug with out removing all the emissions crap and loosing the engine mounts and tilting the engine 

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              @browns149 said:

              I don’t think they will standardize the batteries. Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda will all have their own systems 

              And it sure isn’t in their interest to make the batteries easily changed. They want you to go the dealership so they can charge $75 an hour for labor

              Cars are already that way. Most newer cars, a normal person can’t change the spark plugs anymore. My Ford doesn’t even  have a dipstick for the transmission. You have to take off the front tire and remove a plug to check it. Plus you can’t get to the last spark plug with out removing all the emissions crap and loosing the engine mounts and tilting the engine 

              No Doubt. We know it's more about the Do-Re-Me than it is about the 'viremint.  But you have to fill up your car a hell of a lot more often then you have to change your spark plugs or your transmission fluid. Imagine the pain in the ass if it takes x amount of hours and you can only go to go to x amount of charging stations.

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                @browns149 said:

                I don’t think they will standardize the batteries. Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda will all have their own systems 

                And it sure isn’t in their interest to make the batteries easily changed. They want you to go the dealership so they can charge $75 an hour for labor

                Cars are already that way. Most newer cars, a normal person can’t change the spark plugs anymore. My Ford doesn’t even  have a dipstick for the transmission. You have to take off the front tire and remove a plug to check it. Plus you can’t get to the last spark plug with out removing all the emissions crap and loosing the engine mounts and tilting the engine 

                No Doubt. We know it's more about the Do-Re-Me than it is about the 'viremint.  But you have to fill up your car a hell of a lot more often then you have to change your spark plugs or your transmission fluid. Imagine the pain in the ass if it takes x amount of hours and you can only go to go to x amount of charging stations.

                WSS

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                Browns149B Browns149 wrote on last edited by Browns149
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                @westside-steve said:

                No Doubt. We know it's more about the Do-Re-Me than it is about the 'viremint.  But you have to fill up your car a hell of a lot more often then you have to change your spark plugs or your transmission fluid. Imagine the pain in the ass if it takes x amount of hours and you can only go to go to x amount of charging stations.

                WSS

                I was at a Sheetz in Beckley Wv and they had 8 charging stations for electric vehicles. And not 1 of them had a vehicle actually charging

                They said Tesla on them. Not sure if you can only charge Tesla cars  there

                Just wasting parking spaces ?

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                  Also, if the cars become completely electric, isn’t that going to cause us to burn more coal to get more electricity for these cars?

                  I live in WV, and they don’t believe in renewable energy here. It’s all coal down here!

                  "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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                    @westside-steve said:

                    No Doubt. We know it's more about the Do-Re-Me than it is about the 'viremint.  But you have to fill up your car a hell of a lot more often then you have to change your spark plugs or your transmission fluid. Imagine the pain in the ass if it takes x amount of hours and you can only go to go to x amount of charging stations.

                    WSS

                    I was at a Sheetz in Beckley Wv and they had 8 charging stations for electric vehicles. And not 1 of them had a vehicle actually charging

                    They said Tesla on them. Not sure if you can only charge Tesla cars  there

                    Just wasting parking spaces ?

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                    @browns149 said:

                    I was at a Sheetz in Beckley Wv and they had 8 charging stations for electric vehicles. And not 1 of them had a vehicle actually charging

                    They said Tesla on them. Not sure if you can only charge Tesla cars  there

                    Just wasting parking spaces ?

                    I think there are adapters for all electric vehicles. Problem being who knows how long it takes to charge up your car? 5 minutes to pump gas. Who wants to sit around for an hour when you run out of charge even if there is a station?

                    PS one thing I used to love about visiting my old Old Homestead in Carrollton in winter was occasionally being able to smell coal smoke.

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                      @browns149 said:

                      I was at a Sheetz in Beckley Wv and they had 8 charging stations for electric vehicles. And not 1 of them had a vehicle actually charging

                      They said Tesla on them. Not sure if you can only charge Tesla cars  there

                      Just wasting parking spaces ?

                      I think there are adapters for all electric vehicles. Problem being who knows how long it takes to charge up your car? 5 minutes to pump gas. Who wants to sit around for an hour when you run out of charge even if there is a station?

                      PS one thing I used to love about visiting my old Old Homestead in Carrollton in winter was occasionally being able to smell coal smoke.

                      WSS

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                      @westside-steve said:

                      I think there are adapters for all electric vehicles. Problem being who knows how long it takes to charge up your car? 5 minutes to pump gas. Who wants to sit around for an hour when you run out of charge even if there is a station?

                      PS one thing I used to love about visiting my old Old Homestead in Carrollton in winter was occasionally being able to smell coal smoke.

                      WSS

                      Data on how long it takes to charge an EV is available online. Based on the charging station and battery. 

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                        Also, if the cars become completely electric, isn’t that going to cause us to burn more coal to get more electricity for these cars?

                        I live in WV, and they don’t believe in renewable energy here. It’s all coal down here!

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                        Also, if the cars become completely electric, isn’t that going to cause us to burn more coal to get more electricity for these cars?

                        I live in WV, and they don’t believe in renewable energy here. It’s all coal down here!

                        We'd need to invest in other green energies 

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                          @browns149 said:

                          I was at a Sheetz in Beckley Wv and they had 8 charging stations for electric vehicles. And not 1 of them had a vehicle actually charging

                          They said Tesla on them. Not sure if you can only charge Tesla cars  there

                          Just wasting parking spaces ?

                          I think there are adapters for all electric vehicles. Problem being who knows how long it takes to charge up your car? 5 minutes to pump gas. Who wants to sit around for an hour when you run out of charge even if there is a station?

                          PS one thing I used to love about visiting my old Old Homestead in Carrollton in winter was occasionally being able to smell coal smoke.

                          WSS

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                          @westside-steve said:

                          I think there are adapters for all electric vehicles. Problem being who knows how long it takes to charge up your car? 5 minutes to pump gas. Who wants to sit around for an hour when you run out of charge even if there is a station?

                          PS one thing I used to love about visiting my old Old Homestead in Carrollton in winter was occasionally being able to smell coal smoke.

                          WSS

                          ah.... riding dirt bikes up into the mountains of WV, the slag piles eeking out wisps of smoke. The aroma........... lol

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                            @westside-steve said:

                            I think there are adapters for all electric vehicles. Problem being who knows how long it takes to charge up your car? 5 minutes to pump gas. Who wants to sit around for an hour when you run out of charge even if there is a station?

                            PS one thing I used to love about visiting my old Old Homestead in Carrollton in winter was occasionally being able to smell coal smoke.

                            WSS

                            ah.... riding dirt bikes up into the mountains of WV, the slag piles eeking out wisps of smoke. The aroma........... lol

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                            ah.... riding dirt bikes up into the mountains of WV, the slag piles eeking out wisps of smoke. The aroma........... lol

                            Only 1 mine near me, and it’s closed. All the coal that goes to the power plant in my town either comes on barges in the Ohio river, or by train. Either way it arrives via a huge diesel engine 

                            We ride side by sides down here now. You rarely see any dirt bikes. Occasionally a quad runner

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                              https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/05/the-status-quo-of-electric-cars-better-batteries-same-range.html

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                              We've come a long way in 100+ years ?

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                                My wife’s son had a Prius, given to him by his hippie father. The batteries had to be replaced 2 times. The second time he said screw it and bought a non-hybrid. I think it was around $5000 with labor

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                                  @calfoxwc said:

                                  ah.... riding dirt bikes up into the mountains of WV, the slag piles eeking out wisps of smoke. The aroma........... lol

                                  Only 1 mine near me, and it’s closed. All the coal that goes to the power plant in my town either comes on barges in the Ohio river, or by train. Either way it arrives via a huge diesel engine 

                                  We ride side by sides down here now. You rarely see any dirt bikes. Occasionally a quad runner

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                                  @browns149 said:

                                  Only 1 mine near me, and it’s closed. All the coal that goes to the power plant in my town either comes on barges in the Ohio river, or by train. Either way it arrives via a huge diesel engine 

                                  We ride side by sides down here now. You rarely see any dirt bikes. Occasionally a quad runner

                                  Didn't know that - we rode back in the late seventies. One time, my cousin and I went and rode an AMA enduro on Big Walker Mountain.

                                  It wsa crazy. Miles out, I was trying to catch with my cousin (fat chance - he also ran motorcross with his penton), I was really going on a mountain ridge. Then my revs went way high, and I went off a mountain knoll and hit a tree in the woods, about 10 feet high. Sprained by back really bad, laid there with my suzuki on top of me, til a cleanup crew found me. Turns out, the red danger ribbon had been broken by someone who wrecked and it snapped away. I never saw it. rhododendrons were in bloom. So, he drove my van back to WV, and I had to drive back to ohio. I was in the Air Force, and had to get back by Monday morning or I would be in trouble.

                                     I made it. My commander walked back to my desk and asked me what happened, I said I slipped on the stairs. on my way into work.

                                  Yep, I lied out of desperation. Commander grinned, looked at me sideways, "pretty bad back injury for just slipping on the stairs". I"m pretty sure he knew I lied. lol

                                  At least there were no slag piles in Va.

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                                    I rode dirt bikes way back in the late 70’s to early 80’s. Too dangerous now. I’m told old to be wrecking like that

                                    I’ll stick with my buggy, as they are called down here, it seats 4 people and will pretty much  go through anything

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                                      I rode dirt bikes way back in the late 70’s to early 80’s. Too dangerous now. I’m told old to be wrecking like that

                                      I’ll stick with my buggy, as they are called down here, it seats 4 people and will pretty much  go through anything

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                                      @browns149 said:

                                      I rode dirt bikes way back in the late 70’s to early 80’s. Too dangerous now. I’m told old to be wrecking like that

                                      I’ll stick with my buggy, as they are called down here, it seats 4 people and will pretty much  go through anything

                                      NICE ride. I love our ATV's. I want a ride like that. Or, at my age, even a gator, but it doesn't have the quickness to get through mud.

                                      Honestly, being from N. Ohio, I learned to ride in the WV mountains about an hour from Beckley. And I've wrecked every way possible more than once.

                                      Quit riding them decades ago. It's a young man's game to get beat up like that. Maybe we'll trade in our two ATV's and get one of those.

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                                        @browns149 said:

                                        Also, if the cars become completely electric, isn’t that going to cause us to burn more coal to get more electricity for these cars?

                                        I live in WV, and they don’t believe in renewable energy here. It’s all coal down here!

                                        We'd need to invest in other green energies 

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                                        @mld-woody said:

                                        We'd need to invest in other green energies 

                                        well, by golly, let's just start mass producing warp driven cars that run on CO,

                                        and photosynthesize and emit o2 tomorrow!

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                                          If only we could develop vehicles that ran on bullshit

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