Could Browns Release Lewis Today?
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I have mixed feelings so I'm gonna be a pussy here. I LIKE reading how much he's helping the younger guys. That said, if one of the younger guys STEALS his starting job - I don't want him turning into a sour puss like Trent Doofus was.
He's had ankle surgery and he doesn't run in such a manner where physics will help him anymore. That's TOO BIG a man to be running upright on the tippy-toes like he's Pamela Anderson. This ain't the same guy that lit us up for 500 yards in just 6 quarters back in the day. He didn't get the mega bonus and salary to only be capable of 2.5 yards per carry. That said, Baltimore spent a few seasons contmeplating what was right and wrong about keeping the guy before we inherited the same questions. I liked his first year with us but I think the wear and tear reaches a point of no return and sometimes you gotta try to read the writing on the wall.
- Tom F.
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I can't see too many people being upset if Lewis were to go. Fans up here, even the novices, are not up with Lewis.
I just don't think you can jettison a guy like that before the season even starts. He is still capable of being a bell cow, but we just have to live with him leaving yards on the field at times.
Honestly, I would be at the point of shock if he were to be let go.
I doubt they let Ali go, he's a pretty good backup and STer and Vickers has shown some injury problems. They won't keep 4 TE's, but I can see Walker being kept around on the PS.
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I have mixed feelings so I'm gonna be a pussy here. I LIKE reading how much he's helping the younger guys. That said, if one of the younger guys STEALS his starting job - I don't want him turning into a sour puss like Trent Doofus was.
He's had ankle surgery and he doesn't run in such a manner where physics will help him anymore. That's TOO BIG a man to be running upright on the tippy-toes like he's Pamela Anderson. This ain't the same guy that lit us up for 500 yards in just 6 quarters back in the day. He didn't get the mega bonus and salary to only be capable of 2.5 yards per carry. That said, Baltimore spent a few seasons contmeplating what was right and wrong about keeping the guy before we inherited the same questions. I liked his first year with us but I think the wear and tear reaches a point of no return and sometimes you gotta try to read the writing on the wall.
- Tom F.
I have mixed feelings so I'm gonna be a pussy here. I LIKE reading how much he's helping the younger guys. That said, if one of the younger guys STEALS his starting job - I don't want him turning into a sour puss like Trent Doofus was.
He's had ankle surgery and he doesn't run in such a manner where physics will help him anymore. That's TOO BIG a man to be running upright on the tippy-toes like he's Pamela Anderson. This ain't the same guy that lit us up for 500 yards in just 6 quarters back in the day. He didn't get the mega bonus and salary to only be capable of 2.5 yards per carry. That said, Baltimore spent a few seasons contmeplating what was right and wrong about keeping the guy before we inherited the same questions. I liked his first year with us but I think the wear and tear reaches a point of no return and sometimes you gotta try to read the writing on the wall.
- Tom F.
If they were going to cut him, it should have been week 1 so he could find another team. A guy like Lewis is not getting cut the week of 53, plus he didn't play week 4. Unless I am missing something, we need Jamal. The most "experienced" RB besides Jamal sat 3 games this preseason.
If we cut Jamal, "bats will fly out of my ass." Cross thread points?
"I will not insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said." William F Buckley -
I'd be shocked if Lewis wasn't the starting RB against Minn. I don't think there is any question about him making the team. When interviewed he said that he expects to be sharing carries with Davis. Mangini has said that Davis isn't up to where Lewis is, so that says a lot to me.
For Shep:
Mack should start and though it isn't getting much attention Fraley is on the bubble and his status may depend on Hadnot and if they can pick up a tackle off of waivers.
Hall will backup both Wimbley and Bowens and get plenty of playing time.
Rubin will get a lot of playing time spelling Rogers. I would expect to see Veikune on special teams and maybe in some special formations but he won't see the field at LB a lot early in the season, barring injury. Francies will play on special teams and could wiggle in on some dime packages but don't expect to see him on the field at the beginning of the season either.
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I have mixed feelings so I'm gonna be a pussy here. I LIKE reading how much he's helping the younger guys. That said, if one of the younger guys STEALS his starting job - I don't want him turning into a sour puss like Trent Doofus was.
He's had ankle surgery and he doesn't run in such a manner where physics will help him anymore. That's TOO BIG a man to be running upright on the tippy-toes like he's Pamela Anderson. This ain't the same guy that lit us up for 500 yards in just 6 quarters back in the day. He didn't get the mega bonus and salary to only be capable of 2.5 yards per carry. That said, Baltimore spent a few seasons contmeplating what was right and wrong about keeping the guy before we inherited the same questions. I liked his first year with us but I think the wear and tear reaches a point of no return and sometimes you gotta try to read the writing on the wall.
- Tom F.
If they were going to cut him, it should have been week 1 so he could find another team. A guy like Lewis is not getting cut the week of 53, plus he didn't play week 4. Unless I am missing something, we need Jamal. The most "experienced" RB besides Jamal sat 3 games this preseason.
If we cut Jamal, "bats will fly out of my ass." Cross thread points?
If they were going to cut him, it should have been week 1 so he could find another team.
That sounds nice and all Vegas but we both know that's not the way the NFL works. PLUS, I think he already got the roster bonus so we don't need to worry if someone else will sign him if he has nothing left to give at this time.
- Tom F.
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If they were going to cut him, it should have been week 1 so he could find another team.
That sounds nice and all Vegas but we both know that's not the way the NFL works. PLUS, I think he already got the roster bonus so we don't need to worry if someone else will sign him if he has nothing left to give at this time.
- Tom F.
That sounds nice and all Vegas but we both know that's not the way the NFL works.
That is exactly the way the NFL works. A guy like Jamal is not cut the final week of the season for a rookie 6th rounder who flashed a couple moves. IF Jamal was not the RB you want, the coach would do him the courtesy of telling him BACK IN MAY. Mangini did no such thing.
You do NOT treat a 10 year vet who is one of the best TEAM players we have like that. It will send the wrong message number 1, and 2 it would be stupid. Say Davis gets hurt. Harrison is hurt. Then who runs the ball? Jennings or Herron? No, if you had planned on replacing Jamal than you tell him your intentions. You trade him. You do everything BUT cut him the last week of the preseason.
Guys get cut as veterans this late, just not a guy who is your only vet RB, and with no veteran alternative to start.
"I will not insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said." William F Buckley -
Let's keep him and convert him to 2nd string FB and use him in two backs sets where we can have him doing some flares out of the backfield and catching some of Quinns short passes.
And start the davis kid with a little harrison on the side. If there are injurys or its late in the game and we are up then use him as a eat clock back.
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That sounds nice and all Vegas but we both know that's not the way the NFL works.
That is exactly the way the NFL works. A guy like Jamal is not cut the final week of the season for a rookie 6th rounder who flashed a couple moves. IF Jamal was not the RB you want, the coach would do him the courtesy of telling him BACK IN MAY. Mangini did no such thing.
You do NOT treat a 10 year vet who is one of the best TEAM players we have like that. It will send the wrong message number 1, and 2 it would be stupid. Say Davis gets hurt. Harrison is hurt. Then who runs the ball? Jennings or Herron? No, if you had planned on replacing Jamal than you tell him your intentions. You trade him. You do everything BUT cut him the last week of the preseason.
Guys get cut as veterans this late, just not a guy who is your only vet RB, and with no veteran alternative to start.
That is exactly the way the NFL works. A guy like Jamal is not cut the final week of the season for a rookie 6th rounder who flashed a couple moves. IF Jamal was not the RB you want, the coach would do him the courtesy of telling him BACK IN MAY. Mangini did no such thing.
Thanks for the response Vegas. I hear what you are saying and think the part about the 6th round draft pick makes perfect sense logically. However, there's ALWAYS veterans that reach the end of the road and they are let go when THAT has been detemined. For example, Tedi Bruschi wasn't CUT per say - he was just allowed to retire on the final week of training camp. I think we can understand the difference there because Bruschi was a vocal leader of a SB defense that participated in 4 Superbowls since 2000. I think he even played on the SB team lost lost to GB in the late 90s. Moral of the story - there's never a convenient time to tell someone he's lost the magic. If you give him a full training camp like Bruschi had - he can at least feel appreciative he had the opportunity to go out there and prove he still had it.
If you want to disagree with me about the timing of determining the end of the road - that's fine. I just think Lewis got his bonus because we were emaciated at RB depth and you're not gonna make the OWNER happy if you say "remember that $3 million I had you pay Jamal as a roster bonus for remainign with us? I just cut his ass." That logic puts the RAC right back into crack if you know what I mean. Getting a bonus because we're depleted at a position is far less impressive than gettign a bonus because you're looking like Superman on the gridiron. I'm guessing if NE wasn't loaded up with younger talent at LBer - they'd HAVE to squeeze another year out of Bruschi in NE like we're doign with Lewis.
The title of this thread is "COULD the Brown Release Lewis Today?" We haven't been good enough over our last 16 games to feel like we owe Jamal the intese appreciation over what he accomplished back in 2003 against us. It's 2009 as we speak and this does't look anything like that Lewis. It's looking like he'll be kept around but that doesn't mean people are wrong about how wear and tear has impacted his performance. Get film of him running in 03 and compare it with the guy favoring a bad anke in 09. NOW, take what you learned and apply it to the reality that we need to compete with Baltimore and Pittsburgh in 2009. Could he make either one of those teams today?
- Tom F.
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That is exactly the way the NFL works. A guy like Jamal is not cut the final week of the season for a rookie 6th rounder who flashed a couple moves. IF Jamal was not the RB you want, the coach would do him the courtesy of telling him BACK IN MAY. Mangini did no such thing.
Thanks for the response Vegas. I hear what you are saying and think the part about the 6th round draft pick makes perfect sense logically. However, there's ALWAYS veterans that reach the end of the road and they are let go when THAT has been detemined. For example, Tedi Bruschi wasn't CUT per say - he was just allowed to retire on the final week of training camp. I think we can understand the difference there because Bruschi was a vocal leader of a SB defense that participated in 4 Superbowls since 2000. I think he even played on the SB team lost lost to GB in the late 90s. Moral of the story - there's never a convenient time to tell someone he's lost the magic. If you give him a full training camp like Bruschi had - he can at least feel appreciative he had the opportunity to go out there and prove he still had it.
If you want to disagree with me about the timing of determining the end of the road - that's fine. I just think Lewis got his bonus because we were emaciated at RB depth and you're not gonna make the OWNER happy if you say "remember that $3 million I had you pay Jamal as a roster bonus for remainign with us? I just cut his ass." That logic puts the RAC right back into crack if you know what I mean. Getting a bonus because we're depleted at a position is far less impressive than gettign a bonus because you're looking like Superman on the gridiron. I'm guessing if NE wasn't loaded up with younger talent at LBer - they'd HAVE to squeeze another year out of Bruschi in NE like we're doign with Lewis.
The title of this thread is "COULD the Brown Release Lewis Today?" We haven't been good enough over our last 16 games to feel like we owe Jamal the intese appreciation over what he accomplished back in 2003 against us. It's 2009 as we speak and this does't look anything like that Lewis. It's looking like he'll be kept around but that doesn't mean people are wrong about how wear and tear has impacted his performance. Get film of him running in 03 and compare it with the guy favoring a bad anke in 09. NOW, take what you learned and apply it to the reality that we need to compete with Baltimore and Pittsburgh in 2009. Could he make either one of those teams today?
- Tom F.
The title of this thread is "COULD the Brown Release Lewis Today?" NOW, take what you learned and apply it to the reality that we need to compete with Baltimore and Pittsburgh in 2009. Could he make either one of those teams today?
- Tom F.
I think maybe you're missing my point. I never said Lewis was too good to cut, or that we owe him a roster spot because of a bonus or what he has so far brought to the team. I said 2 things:
1) You don't have any experience behind him on this team, and cutting him for a 6th rounder and another guy (Harrison) who was hurt would be dumb. Chris Jennings is not the answer either.
2) If you had plans to change the RB situation, you're bringing in more than just JD and JH. You sign any of the Vets on the street, like Alexander or Edge, to push Jamal.
But to think Jamal "could" be cut based on what I've "learned" would be absolutley, positively stupid. Period. You can't get past the stupidity of that choice as a coach for me. Mangini would have to be okay with committing Hari Kari on the field in front of the fans.
I looked at the situation, saw the players we have behind him, and concluded that cutting him, especially this late and with no experience at RB, would be dumb, and therefore not very fooking likely. Turns out I was right.
We don't live in fairytale land.
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The title of this thread is "COULD the Brown Release Lewis Today?" NOW, take what you learned and apply it to the reality that we need to compete with Baltimore and Pittsburgh in 2009. Could he make either one of those teams today?
- Tom F.
I think maybe you're missing my point. I never said Lewis was too good to cut, or that we owe him a roster spot because of a bonus or what he has so far brought to the team. I said 2 things:
1) You don't have any experience behind him on this team, and cutting him for a 6th rounder and another guy (Harrison) who was hurt would be dumb. Chris Jennings is not the answer either.
2) If you had plans to change the RB situation, you're bringing in more than just JD and JH. You sign any of the Vets on the street, like Alexander or Edge, to push Jamal.
But to think Jamal "could" be cut based on what I've "learned" would be absolutley, positively stupid. Period. You can't get past the stupidity of that choice as a coach for me. Mangini would have to be okay with committing Hari Kari on the field in front of the fans.
I looked at the situation, saw the players we have behind him, and concluded that cutting him, especially this late and with no experience at RB, would be dumb, and therefore not very fooking likely. Turns out I was right.
We don't live in fairytale land.
I think maybe you're missing my point. I never said Lewis was too good to cut, or that we owe him a roster spot because of a bonus or what he has so far brought to the team. I said 2 things:
1) You don't have any experience behind him on this team, and cutting him for a 6th rounder and another guy (Harrison) who was hurt would be dumb. Chris Jennings is not the answer either.
2) If you had plans to change the RB situation, you're bringing in more than just JD and JH. You sign any of the Vets on the street, like Alexander or Edge, to push Jamal.
But to think Jamal "could" be cut based on what I've "learned" would be absolutley, positively stupid. Period. You can't get past the stupidity of that choice as a coach for me. Mangini would have to be okay with committing Hari Kari on the field in front of the fans.
I looked at the situation, saw the players we have behind him, and concluded that cutting him, especially this late and with no experience at RB, would be dumb, and therefore not very fooking likely. Turns out I was right.
So that means he deserves a $3 million roster bonus and we deserve to remain stuck on pause with his ass? As I've said, I won't MIND Lewis hanging around if he's okay with his demotion as soon as it's warranted (like now). Have you ever seen him yelling at coaches when they take him off the field? I think it's a foreshadowing of things to come. We don't need another guy like Dilfer lingerign around whining about their overpaid ass getting demoted.
I guess thinking RBs that can't run on damaged wheels anymore places me in fairytale land. You're right, it just seems more realistic to tell the Pittsburgh Steelers and Baltimore Ravens that the Tinkerbell Tap Dance is going to deliver them Hell on broken wheels in 2009. Thanks for re-directing me.
RB is THE most instinctive position in all of football. That's why guys like Steve Slaton, AP, Warrick Dunn, Terrell Davis, Marshall Faulk, Brian Westbrook and many others were ready from day 1. Of course there are things to learn like blitz adjustments and blocking but that's why they practice and have a film room. It's also why Davis has been working on such a thing.
The Houston Texans had the SAME problem in 2008 that we have right now. They had 2 veteran RBs that were chronically injured this late in their careers (Chris Brown & Ahman Green). Somebody had the grapefruits in that organization to say Slaton looks pretty good while the other guys are completely done with their best football. Turned out okay Chris. I guess you can inform me they didn't have to cut Green or Brown but it sure seems like those guys were way overpaid based on their capability at that point in their careers.
- Tom F. (Maybe Jamal just breaks more tackles when they don't tackle in practice, so he looks better in practice than he does in the games right now)
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I think maybe you're missing my point. I never said Lewis was too good to cut, or that we owe him a roster spot because of a bonus or what he has so far brought to the team. I said 2 things:
1) You don't have any experience behind him on this team, and cutting him for a 6th rounder and another guy (Harrison) who was hurt would be dumb. Chris Jennings is not the answer either.
2) If you had plans to change the RB situation, you're bringing in more than just JD and JH. You sign any of the Vets on the street, like Alexander or Edge, to push Jamal.
But to think Jamal "could" be cut based on what I've "learned" would be absolutley, positively stupid. Period. You can't get past the stupidity of that choice as a coach for me. Mangini would have to be okay with committing Hari Kari on the field in front of the fans.
I looked at the situation, saw the players we have behind him, and concluded that cutting him, especially this late and with no experience at RB, would be dumb, and therefore not very fooking likely. Turns out I was right.
So that means he deserves a $3 million roster bonus and we deserve to remain stuck on pause with his ass? As I've said, I won't MIND Lewis hanging around if he's okay with his demotion as soon as it's warranted (like now). Have you ever seen him yelling at coaches when they take him off the field? I think it's a foreshadowing of things to come. We don't need another guy like Dilfer lingerign around whining about their overpaid ass getting demoted.
I guess thinking RBs that can't run on damaged wheels anymore places me in fairytale land. You're right, it just seems more realistic to tell the Pittsburgh Steelers and Baltimore Ravens that the Tinkerbell Tap Dance is going to deliver them Hell on broken wheels in 2009. Thanks for re-directing me.
RB is THE most instinctive position in all of football. That's why guys like Steve Slaton, AP, Warrick Dunn, Terrell Davis, Marshall Faulk, Brian Westbrook and many others were ready from day 1. Of course there are things to learn like blitz adjustments and blocking but that's why they practice and have a film room. It's also why Davis has been working on such a thing.
The Houston Texans had the SAME problem in 2008 that we have right now. They had 2 veteran RBs that were chronically injured this late in their careers (Chris Brown & Ahman Green). Somebody had the grapefruits in that organization to say Slaton looks pretty good while the other guys are completely done with their best football. Turned out okay Chris. I guess you can inform me they didn't have to cut Green or Brown but it sure seems like those guys were way overpaid based on their capability at that point in their careers.
- Tom F. (Maybe Jamal just breaks more tackles when they don't tackle in practice, so he looks better in practice than he does in the games right now)
So that means he deserves a $3 million roster bonus and we deserve to remain stuck on pause with his ass?
Dude you're all over the damn place, so try and focus. This thread claimed Lewis might get cut YESTERDAY. He got the bonus months ago. I was NOT debating Lewis receiving a bonus, I was saying he was not one of the cut downs.
Focus man. Stay on topic.
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So that means he deserves a $3 million roster bonus and we deserve to remain stuck on pause with his ass?
Dude you're all over the damn place, so try and focus. This thread claimed Lewis might get cut YESTERDAY. He got the bonus months ago. I was NOT debating Lewis receiving a bonus, I was saying he was not one of the cut downs.
Focus man. Stay on topic.
This thread claimed Lewis might get cut YESTERDAY. He got the bonus months ago. I was NOT debating Lewis receiving a bonus, I was saying he was not one of the cut downs.
Focus man. Stay on topic.
I didn't realize I ever left the running game concerns I started this thread with. Are we or aren't we giving up an ACTIVE roster spot for a RB that doesn't look like he can RUN any more? If so, color me concerned because if anyone has placed a SOBER eye on Jamal Lewis this preseason - they can't possibly be excited about his 33% of the RB trio right now. This conversation has to go DEEPER than him merely making the team Chris. It was started before your 20/20 hindsight got into focus. You claimed you were right about how valuable lewis is because he made the team. I explained the ONLY reason he made the team was because he got a roster bonus so there's no possible way Mangini can explain to Lerner that he cut the SAME guy he got randy to fork over the $3 million roster bonus for. Not sure how this seems off topic to you but then again I'd have to think Piaget's critical thinking also applies to you.
Seems to me, we're down to 3 RBs and only 1 of them appeared to be completely healthy this preseason. I can't control that the 1 healthy guy vastly outperforming the other 2 is a rookie. All I CAN do is remind you it worked out okay for the Houston Texans in 2008 when they started their rookie RB over the 2 RBs who were over the hill (Chris Brown and Ahman Green). That said, if Davis gets hurt while Harrison is dinged up again - it leaves us our running game relying on the dead ankles of Jamal Lewis. We need to get younger and healthier at that position asap.
- Tom F.
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This thread claimed Lewis might get cut YESTERDAY. He got the bonus months ago. I was NOT debating Lewis receiving a bonus, I was saying he was not one of the cut downs.
Focus man. Stay on topic.
I didn't realize I ever left the running game concerns I started this thread with. Are we or aren't we giving up an ACTIVE roster spot for a RB that doesn't look like he can RUN any more? If so, color me concerned because if anyone has placed a SOBER eye on Jamal Lewis this preseason - they can't possibly be excited about his 33% of the RB trio right now. This conversation has to go DEEPER than him merely making the team Chris. It was started before your 20/20 hindsight got into focus. You claimed you were right about how valuable lewis is because he made the team. I explained the ONLY reason he made the team was because he got a roster bonus so there's no possible way Mangini can explain to Lerner that he cut the SAME guy he got randy to fork over the $3 million roster bonus for. Not sure how this seems off topic to you but then again I'd have to think Piaget's critical thinking also applies to you.
Seems to me, we're down to 3 RBs and only 1 of them appeared to be completely healthy this preseason. I can't control that the 1 healthy guy vastly outperforming the other 2 is a rookie. All I CAN do is remind you it worked out okay for the Houston Texans in 2008 when they started their rookie RB over the 2 RBs who were over the hill (Chris Brown and Ahman Green). That said, if Davis gets hurt while Harrison is dinged up again - it leaves us our running game relying on the dead ankles of Jamal Lewis. We need to get younger and healthier at that position asap.
- Tom F.
I AM staying on topic. Are we or aren't we giving up a roster spot for a RB that doesn't look like he can RUN any more?
We are keeping a roster spot.. for a guy who CAN STILL RUN.
Mangini says he can.. I 'm inclined to trust Mangini's opinion on this more than yours and the other yutz naysayers on this board. He sees him every day. You guys have seen him for a handful of plays.. IN PRESEAON.. PRESEASON MEANS DICK..
Unless you want to apply this formula across the board.. and not to just Jamal lewis...
Thomas jones 2.1 per carry in preseason.cut him too
Steve Slayton 2.9 cut him
Jerome harrison 1.3 cut him
LaDanian Tomlinson 2.3 per carry ..he sucks
Reggie Bush 1.7 per carry .. trade him
Ladell Bett.. Guess his thousand yard season of 2 years ago was a fluke. 1.9 per carry cut him
McClain from Baltimore.. 2.0 per carry.. last year was a fluke..cut him
Maroney 2.3 sucks
Marchawn Lynch 2.7 per carry... just leave him suspended
Chris Johnson of Tenneseee... Rookie season must be a one year wonder 3.1 per carry.. cut his butt too
LenDale White.. 2.8 per carry.. cut his unfattened butt.
Justin Fargas.. Guess his thousand yard seasons were history.. 1.7 per carry cut him
Get my point.. Just cuz Jamal's preseason numbers are down..does not mean he cannot play.
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Tom I am not debating Lewis and his roster spot. I have been debating anyone saying he might get cut YESTERDAY. Two entirely different topics. I don't have any doubts we needed a new starter coming into the season. Last season even. All I wanted to say was cuttin him yesterday was not going to happen. It didn't and I was correct.
"I will not insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said." William F Buckley -
I AM staying on topic. Are we or aren't we giving up a roster spot for a RB that doesn't look like he can RUN any more?
We are keeping a roster spot.. for a guy who CAN STILL RUN.
Mangini says he can.. I 'm inclined to trust Mangini's opinion on this more than yours and the other yutz naysayers on this board. He sees him every day. You guys have seen him for a handful of plays.. IN PRESEAON.. PRESEASON MEANS DICK..
Unless you want to apply this formula across the board.. and not to just Jamal lewis...
Thomas jones 2.1 per carry in preseason.cut him too
Steve Slayton 2.9 cut him
Jerome harrison 1.3 cut him
LaDanian Tomlinson 2.3 per carry ..he sucks
Reggie Bush 1.7 per carry .. trade him
Ladell Bett.. Guess his thousand yard season of 2 years ago was a fluke. 1.9 per carry cut him
McClain from Baltimore.. 2.0 per carry.. last year was a fluke..cut him
Maroney 2.3 sucks
Marchawn Lynch 2.7 per carry... just leave him suspended
Chris Johnson of Tenneseee... Rookie season must be a one year wonder 3.1 per carry.. cut his butt too
LenDale White.. 2.8 per carry.. cut his unfattened butt.
Justin Fargas.. Guess his thousand yard seasons were history.. 1.7 per carry cut him
Get my point.. Just cuz Jamal's preseason numbers are down..does not mean he cannot play.
Get my point.. Just cuz Jamal's preseason numbers are down..does not mean he cannot play.
LOL! Okay, let's just pretend Jamal didn't REALLY have major reconstructive surgeries on his ankles that completely changed the way he runs because you found other RBs that didn't have good preseason numbers. He's running on tippy toes like Tinkerbell but let's change the subject to what other RBs are doing so when I respond - you can watch me get accused of getting offtopic.
Have you even WATCHED Lewis once yet? I'll talk regular season. His average went down from 4.4 yards a carry in 2007 to 3.6 in 2008. Math tells me that's dangerously close to a full yard per carry lost on average. HOMER vrs reality. I'll go with reality and you can go with being the HOMER who believes he's the better fan. Comeon Sez!
If you've read ANYTHING I've written this year - it's been all complimentary toward Mankok. I just think they inherited a nightmare at RB and I think their James Davis solution on draft day was fantastic. I piggybacked my excitement over the pick the very first time Shep posted a nice thread about Davis back in April or May.
There's NOTHING wrong with fans wanting more than 1 healthy RB on our active roster. Is there? If so, then I'm the terrible fan you accuse me of being.
- Tom F.
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This is from ESPN...
Trending down: RB Jamal Lewis
.... Of Lewis' 279 carries last year, 135 gained two yards or less, while only 18 gained 11 yards or more. ....Lewis produced just four touchdowns on 18 carries inside the five....
There was a lot more, but you get the drift.
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I think we'll be okay. Alo really likes this Peerman kid and I remember him chubbing for him around draft time. I really wanted Sutton but we had to get somebody. I think the key in all this is how healthy can Harrison be? He has become a forgotten man after being injured most of the preseason.
I'm fine with keeping Lewis for now, there was no other choice. Like Tom said, this regime inherited the RB problem and had a ton of holes to fill. Staying with Lewis and his contract that Phillip gave him--and hoping to squeeze one last year out of him is about all they could do.
Here's what I want to see: If Lewis is clearly struggling out the gate they need to get Davis and Harrison seriously involved. If Lewis goes into Operation Dildofer by pouting so be it, this ain't RAC 'n ROLLS fanny tapping anymore, you play the best guys that give you the best chance to win.
Lewis can still be valuable, and to be honest I like him in the screen game with Quinn at QB. Lewis can still run in space and the second level, the problem is his slow ass tap dancing before the hole closes, plus he can't pop it outside or get off tackle before it closes. He also goes down way too easy until he gets his momentum behind him, hence making him a not very good short yardage back regardless of size.
Let's get behind this Peerman and see what he's got. It wouldn't hurt to keep Jennings around on the PS or pick someone else up and stash them there.
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I think we'll be okay. Alo really likes this Peerman kid and I remember him chubbing for him around draft time. I really wanted Sutton but we had to get somebody. I think the key in all this is how healthy can Harrison be? He has become a forgotten man after being injured most of the preseason.
I'm fine with keeping Lewis for now, there was no other choice. Like Tom said, this regime inherited the RB problem and had a ton of holes to fill. Staying with Lewis and his contract that Phillip gave him--and hoping to squeeze one last year out of him is about all they could do.
Here's what I want to see: If Lewis is clearly struggling out the gate they need to get Davis and Harrison seriously involved. If Lewis goes into Operation Dildofer by pouting so be it, this ain't RAC 'n ROLLS fanny tapping anymore, you play the best guys that give you the best chance to win.
Lewis can still be valuable, and to be honest I like him in the screen game with Quinn at QB. Lewis can still run in space and the second level, the problem is his slow ass tap dancing before the hole closes, plus he can't pop it outside or get off tackle before it closes. He also goes down way too easy until he gets his momentum behind him, hence making him a not very good short yardage back regardless of size.
Let's get behind this Peerman and see what he's got. It wouldn't hurt to keep Jennings around on the PS or pick someone else up and stash them there.
I think we'll be okay. Alo really likes this Peerman kid and I remember him chubbing for him around draft time. I really wanted Sutton but we had to get somebody. I think the key in all this is how healthy can Harrison be? He has become a forgotten man after being injured most of the preseason.
I'm fine with keeping Lewis for now, there was no other choice. Like Tom said, this regime inherited the RB problem and had a ton of holes to fill. Staying with Lewis and his contract that Phillip gave him--and hoping to squeeze one last year out of him is about all they could do.
Here's what I want to see: If Lewis is clearly struggling out the gate they need to get Davis and Harrison seriously involved. If Lewis goes into Operation Dildofer by pouting so be it, this ain't RAC 'n ROLLS fanny tapping anymore, you play the best guys that give you the best chance to win.
Lewis can still be valuable, and to be honest I like him in the screen game with Quinn at QB. Lewis can still run in space and the second level, the problem is his slow ass tap dancing before the hole closes, plus he can't pop it outside or get off tackle before it closes. He also goes down way too easy until he gets his momentum behind him, hence making him a not very good short yardage back regardless of size.
Let's get behind this Peerman and see what he's got. It wouldn't hurt to keep Jennings around on the PS or pick someone else up and stash them there.
I even like Harrison if we can ever get him healthy enough and complete enough for a workload that exceeds 5 plays. His previous obstacles have been injuries at inopportune times and BLOCKING to protect QBs from the blitz. When he plays - I can only summarize what I see as exciting and intrigued to see more.
Like Riff says when you take away the RAC - you don't have to worry about spelling crack anymore.
- Tom F.
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