It's All About The QB! Always has been!
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We have Pat Mahomes
Cleveland picked 1/1 in that draft and took Garrett....really good player....DE's don't win championships.
Cleveland had pick 12 in that same draft...KC moved up from 27 all the way to 10. Cleveland traded out of 12.
We have Pat Mahomes
Cleveland picked 1/1 in that draft and took Garrett....really good player....DE's don't win championships.
Cleveland had pick 12 in that same draft...KC moved up from 27 all the way to 10. Cleveland traded out of 12.
Hey Pat you're obviously poorly informed about about Browns draft screw ups. We don't need Ladanian Tomlinson or Ben Roethlisberger either. That's just scratching the surface... Aaron Rodgers? You get the drift.
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We have Pat Mahomes
Cleveland picked 1/1 in that draft and took Garrett....really good player....DE's don't win championships.
Cleveland had pick 12 in that same draft...KC moved up from 27 all the way to 10. Cleveland traded out of 12.
Hey Pat you're obviously poorly informed about about Browns draft screw ups. We don't need Ladanian Tomlinson or Ben Roethlisberger either. That's just scratching the surface... Aaron Rodgers? You get the drift.
Hey Pat you're obviously poorly informed about about Browns draft screw ups. We don't need Ladanian Tomlinson or Ben Roethlisberger either. That's just scratching the surface... Aaron Rodgers? You get the drift.
Baker instead of Josh Allen in 2018
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Baker instead of Josh Allen in 2018
The ONLY big Josh Allen fan I remember on this board (pre-draft) was Cal; and many of us (including me) busted his chops about it. There were way more Josh Rosen fans in here that have remained pretty church mouse quiet about that today. I've mentioned more than once or twice that I waivered back and forth between Sam Uh-Oh (Darnold) and Baker Mayfield as my 1A and 1B. Even though 2021 is the most recent impression (it was the worst year of Baker's career so it's okay to think there's more to his dropoff than just waking up a bad/mediocre QB just 1 year after he was a good QB that helped us win a playoff game as recently as January of 2021). The TD Pass to INT ratio was 26 TD Passes to 8 INT. Not elite but better than some want to give him credit for.
Right now I'm hearing he's just Andy Dalton with 1 major exception. He was our starting QB the day Cleveland BEAT Pittsburgh 48-37 in the 1st round of the playoffs. Dalton made multiple Pro Bowls and led Cincy to the playoffs repeatedly but never won a playoff game. He just didn't have the 1st round arm strength Baker has so he was drafted in round 2. I'm hoping Baker becomes more comparable to Drew Brees when it all plays out. After Brees finished his 3rd year SD needed to use their next 1st overall pick on a QB (Eli Manning who they swapped with the NYG for Philip Rivers when Manning reminded them he won't play there). Things didn't go well for Brees until Rivers held out the entire length of training camp in Brees' 4th year. Love took time there and I think it's doing the same here; especially with how many different playbooks/OCs Baker had to learn and de-program on top of what we saw when he played injured this year. IMO, there has been some promise along the way in 2018 (fresh off 0-16 in 2017) and in 2020. I'm just hoping that's more along the lines of who he is than 2019 and 2021. I'll have to see in 2022.
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Baker instead of Josh Allen in 2018
The ONLY big Josh Allen fan I remember on this board (pre-draft) was Cal; and many of us (including me) busted his chops about it. There were way more Josh Rosen fans in here that have remained pretty church mouse quiet about that today. I've mentioned more than once or twice that I waivered back and forth between Sam Uh-Oh (Darnold) and Baker Mayfield as my 1A and 1B. Even though 2021 is the most recent impression (it was the worst year of Baker's career so it's okay to think there's more to his dropoff than just waking up a bad/mediocre QB just 1 year after he was a good QB that helped us win a playoff game as recently as January of 2021). The TD Pass to INT ratio was 26 TD Passes to 8 INT. Not elite but better than some want to give him credit for.
Right now I'm hearing he's just Andy Dalton with 1 major exception. He was our starting QB the day Cleveland BEAT Pittsburgh 48-37 in the 1st round of the playoffs. Dalton made multiple Pro Bowls and led Cincy to the playoffs repeatedly but never won a playoff game. He just didn't have the 1st round arm strength Baker has so he was drafted in round 2. I'm hoping Baker becomes more comparable to Drew Brees when it all plays out. After Brees finished his 3rd year SD needed to use their next 1st overall pick on a QB (Eli Manning who they swapped with the NYG for Philip Rivers when Manning reminded them he won't play there). Things didn't go well for Brees until Rivers held out the entire length of training camp in Brees' 4th year. Love took time there and I think it's doing the same here; especially with how many different playbooks/OCs Baker had to learn and de-program on top of what we saw when he played injured this year. IMO, there has been some promise along the way in 2018 (fresh off 0-16 in 2017) and in 2020. I'm just hoping that's more along the lines of who he is than 2019 and 2021. I'll have to see in 2022.
The ONLY big Josh Allen fan I remember on this board (pre-draft) was Cal; and many of us (including me) busted his chops about it. There were way more Josh Rosen fans in here that have remained pretty church mouse quiet about that today. I've mentioned more than once or twice that I waivered back and forth between Sam Uh-Oh (Darnold) and Baker Mayfield as my 1A and 1B.
Even the blind pig finds an acorn once in a blue moon??. I wanted either Rosen or Darnold, but certainly not JFF II or Big Inaccurate Wyoming Arm. So sue me.?
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Baker instead of Josh Allen in 2018
The ONLY big Josh Allen fan I remember on this board (pre-draft) was Cal; and many of us (including me) busted his chops about it. There were way more Josh Rosen fans in here that have remained pretty church mouse quiet about that today. I've mentioned more than once or twice that I waivered back and forth between Sam Uh-Oh (Darnold) and Baker Mayfield as my 1A and 1B. Even though 2021 is the most recent impression (it was the worst year of Baker's career so it's okay to think there's more to his dropoff than just waking up a bad/mediocre QB just 1 year after he was a good QB that helped us win a playoff game as recently as January of 2021). The TD Pass to INT ratio was 26 TD Passes to 8 INT. Not elite but better than some want to give him credit for.
Right now I'm hearing he's just Andy Dalton with 1 major exception. He was our starting QB the day Cleveland BEAT Pittsburgh 48-37 in the 1st round of the playoffs. Dalton made multiple Pro Bowls and led Cincy to the playoffs repeatedly but never won a playoff game. He just didn't have the 1st round arm strength Baker has so he was drafted in round 2. I'm hoping Baker becomes more comparable to Drew Brees when it all plays out. After Brees finished his 3rd year SD needed to use their next 1st overall pick on a QB (Eli Manning who they swapped with the NYG for Philip Rivers when Manning reminded them he won't play there). Things didn't go well for Brees until Rivers held out the entire length of training camp in Brees' 4th year. Love took time there and I think it's doing the same here; especially with how many different playbooks/OCs Baker had to learn and de-program on top of what we saw when he played injured this year. IMO, there has been some promise along the way in 2018 (fresh off 0-16 in 2017) and in 2020. I'm just hoping that's more along the lines of who he is than 2019 and 2021. I'll have to see in 2022.
The ONLY big Josh Allen fan I remember on this board (pre-draft) was Cal;
And I said, like I always say about a QB, "I want the biggest, tallest drink of water with a strong arm." The Derick Anderson type. (and if he turns out to be an inaccurate bum with no touch, then ya move on, but you went down swingin')
...last night the Patriots got whopped by the Bills. During the season the Pats beat them with 4 passes and 40-something runs. But there was no hurricane winds blowing last night. 40 runs last night by Nick Chubb and the Browns was NOT gonna win that game.
If you wanna stay with a good passing team who is 'on their game' against you...then you better be able to pass the ball well yourself. We need to get to that point. I love our running game, Chubb is great, Hunt, D'E...imagine how much more effective they'd be with an honest to God passing attack for the D to worry about.....
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The ONLY big Josh Allen fan I remember on this board (pre-draft) was Cal; and many of us (including me) busted his chops about it. There were way more Josh Rosen fans in here that have remained pretty church mouse quiet about that today. I've mentioned more than once or twice that I waivered back and forth between Sam Uh-Oh (Darnold) and Baker Mayfield as my 1A and 1B.
Even the blind pig finds an acorn once in a blue moon??. I wanted either Rosen or Darnold, but certainly not JFF II or Big Inaccurate Wyoming Arm. So sue me.?
Even the blind pig finds an acorn once in a blue moon??. I wanted either Rosen or Darnold, but certainly not JFF II or Big Inaccurate Wyoming Arm. So sue me.?
Cal does a lot of research that makes him comfortable with his football opinions. I like that he doesn't take inventory of popular opinion before he decides to swim against the current on a guy like Josh Allen.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
The ONLY big Josh Allen fan I remember on this board (pre-draft) was Cal;
And I said, like I always say about a QB, "I want the biggest, tallest drink of water with a strong arm." The Derick Anderson type. (and if he turns out to be an inaccurate bum with no touch, then ya move on, but you went down swingin')
...last night the Patriots got whopped by the Bills. During the season the Pats beat them with 4 passes and 40-something runs. But there was no hurricane winds blowing last night. 40 runs last night by Nick Chubb and the Browns was NOT gonna win that game.
If you wanna stay with a good passing team who is 'on their game' against you...then you better be able to pass the ball well yourself. We need to get to that point. I love our running game, Chubb is great, Hunt, D'E...imagine how much more effective they'd be with an honest to God passing attack for the D to worry about.....
And I said, like I always say about a QB, "I want the biggest, tallest drink of water with a strong arm." The Derick Anderson type. (and if he turns out to be an inaccurate bum with no touch, then ya move on, but you went down swingin')
...last night the Patriots got whopped by the Bills. During the season the Pats beat them with 4 passes and 40-something runs. But there was no hurricane winds blowing last night. 40 runs last night by Nick Chubb and the Browns was NOT gonna win that game.
If you wanna stay with a good passing team who is 'on their game' against you...then you better be able to pass the ball well yourself. We need to get to that point. I love our running game, Chubb is great, Hunt, D'E...imagine how much more effective they'd be with an honest to God passing attack for the D to worry about.....
Well put! The nice thing about the draft today if you don't draft the right guy in round 1 - it doesn't kill a team's cap health nearly as badly as it did before they implemented the rookie salary cap.
None of us want to see the 2021 passing game again.
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Even the blind pig finds an acorn once in a blue moon??. I wanted either Rosen or Darnold, but certainly not JFF II or Big Inaccurate Wyoming Arm. So sue me.?
Cal does a lot of research that makes him comfortable with his football opinions. I like that he doesn't take inventory of popular opinion before he decides to swim against the current on a guy like Josh Allen.
Cal does a lot of research that makes him comfortable with his football opinions.
I'm going to stop you right there on that one - hard no.
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Baker instead of Josh Allen in 2018
The ONLY big Josh Allen fan I remember on this board (pre-draft) was Cal; and many of us (including me) busted his chops about it. There were way more Josh Rosen fans in here that have remained pretty church mouse quiet about that today. I've mentioned more than once or twice that I waivered back and forth between Sam Uh-Oh (Darnold) and Baker Mayfield as my 1A and 1B. Even though 2021 is the most recent impression (it was the worst year of Baker's career so it's okay to think there's more to his dropoff than just waking up a bad/mediocre QB just 1 year after he was a good QB that helped us win a playoff game as recently as January of 2021). The TD Pass to INT ratio was 26 TD Passes to 8 INT. Not elite but better than some want to give him credit for.
Right now I'm hearing he's just Andy Dalton with 1 major exception. He was our starting QB the day Cleveland BEAT Pittsburgh 48-37 in the 1st round of the playoffs. Dalton made multiple Pro Bowls and led Cincy to the playoffs repeatedly but never won a playoff game. He just didn't have the 1st round arm strength Baker has so he was drafted in round 2. I'm hoping Baker becomes more comparable to Drew Brees when it all plays out. After Brees finished his 3rd year SD needed to use their next 1st overall pick on a QB (Eli Manning who they swapped with the NYG for Philip Rivers when Manning reminded them he won't play there). Things didn't go well for Brees until Rivers held out the entire length of training camp in Brees' 4th year. Love took time there and I think it's doing the same here; especially with how many different playbooks/OCs Baker had to learn and de-program on top of what we saw when he played injured this year. IMO, there has been some promise along the way in 2018 (fresh off 0-16 in 2017) and in 2020. I'm just hoping that's more along the lines of who he is than 2019 and 2021. I'll have to see in 2022.
The ONLY big Josh Allen fan I remember on this board (pre-draft) was Cal; and many of us (including me) busted his chops about it. Guilty ! ?
There were way more Josh Rosen fans in here that have remained pretty church mouse quiet about that today. Frozen AFCN playoff seasons ran me away from Rosen.. concussions
I've mentioned more than once or twice that I waivered back and forth between Sam Uh-Oh (Darnold) and Baker Mayfield as my 1A and 1B. Even though 2021 is the most recent
I remember your posting as this exactly ^ ^
I also was 1a/1b on both.. Mayfield became my 1st round choice during his Senior Bowl. Bake's Combine presser just cemented him as my choice.
Darnold saw ghosts...predraft.. I watched his same ghost, that refused to protect a football when in pocket panic mode... Guess what I missed? Baker has become just as bad ! ?
My largest Mayfield fail to see? He's cocky ..
“I already know what exactly I need to work on and improve going forward,” Mayfield said, via the Akron Beacon Journal. “That is the exciting thing about it, it is always a continual process of getting better and improving.”
Mayfield added, however, that he will not hire a private quarterback tutor, as some passers do during the offseason.(Josh Allen has not been the same QB since working with Palmer's brother)
“I do not need somebody to teach me how to do a three-step drop,” Mayfield said. “I can look at film and be critical of myself. Throughout this process, I have had people help me out along the way and try and take things from different people. Any time I am around somebody, I ask questions. Do not act like I have it all figured out. There is always room to improve and take things from there and there, but I would not say that I will go on the beach and swim through the ocean and try and learn how to play quarterback by doing that.”
I'm I taking this, in the right way? https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/27/baker-mayfield-says-hell-be-working-hard-this-offseason-but-not-with-a-qb-tutor/
What's his plan this off-season coming off surgery?
To date... Alex Van Pelt is still listed as a OC.... imho...he's Baker's QB coach if he likes it or not
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Baker instead of Josh Allen in 2018
The ONLY big Josh Allen fan I remember on this board (pre-draft) was Cal; and many of us (including me) busted his chops about it. There were way more Josh Rosen fans in here that have remained pretty church mouse quiet about that today. I've mentioned more than once or twice that I waivered back and forth between Sam Uh-Oh (Darnold) and Baker Mayfield as my 1A and 1B. Even though 2021 is the most recent impression (it was the worst year of Baker's career so it's okay to think there's more to his dropoff than just waking up a bad/mediocre QB just 1 year after he was a good QB that helped us win a playoff game as recently as January of 2021). The TD Pass to INT ratio was 26 TD Passes to 8 INT. Not elite but better than some want to give him credit for.
Right now I'm hearing he's just Andy Dalton with 1 major exception. He was our starting QB the day Cleveland BEAT Pittsburgh 48-37 in the 1st round of the playoffs. Dalton made multiple Pro Bowls and led Cincy to the playoffs repeatedly but never won a playoff game. He just didn't have the 1st round arm strength Baker has so he was drafted in round 2. I'm hoping Baker becomes more comparable to Drew Brees when it all plays out. After Brees finished his 3rd year SD needed to use their next 1st overall pick on a QB (Eli Manning who they swapped with the NYG for Philip Rivers when Manning reminded them he won't play there). Things didn't go well for Brees until Rivers held out the entire length of training camp in Brees' 4th year. Love took time there and I think it's doing the same here; especially with how many different playbooks/OCs Baker had to learn and de-program on top of what we saw when he played injured this year. IMO, there has been some promise along the way in 2018 (fresh off 0-16 in 2017) and in 2020. I'm just hoping that's more along the lines of who he is than 2019 and 2021. I'll have to see in 2022.
The ONLY big Josh Allen fan I remember on this board (pre-draft) was Cal; and many of us (including me) busted his chops about it. There were way more Josh Rosen fans in here that have remained pretty church mouse quiet about that today. I've mentioned more than once or twice that I waivered back and forth between Sam Uh-Oh (Darnold) and Baker Mayfield as my 1A and 1B. Even though 2021 is the most recent impression (it was the worst year of Baker's career so it's okay to think there's more to his dropoff than just waking up a bad/mediocre QB just 1 year after he was a good QB that helped us win a playoff game as recently as January of 2021). The TD Pass to INT ratio was 26 TD Passes to 8 INT. Not elite but better than some want to give him credit for.
Right now I'm hearing he's just Andy Dalton with 1 major exception. He was our starting QB the day Cleveland BEAT Pittsburgh 48-37 in the 1st round of the playoffs. Dalton made multiple Pro Bowls and led Cincy to the playoffs repeatedly but never won a playoff game. He just didn't have the 1st round arm strength Baker has so he was drafted in round 2. I'm hoping Baker becomes more comparable to Drew Brees when it all plays out. After Brees finished his 3rd year SD needed to use their next 1st overall pick on a QB (Eli Manning who they swapped with the NYG for Philip Rivers when Manning reminded them he won't play there). Things didn't go well for Brees until Rivers held out the entire length of training camp in Brees' 4th year. Love took time there and I think it's doing the same here; especially with how many different playbooks/OCs Baker had to learn and de-program on top of what we saw when he played injured this year. IMO, there has been some promise along the way in 2018 (fresh off 0-16 in 2017) and in 2020. I'm just hoping that's more along the lines of who he is than 2019 and 2021. I'll have to see in 2022.
The “Experts” weren’t that far off with the 2018 draft.
The consensus:
Mayfied had the highest floor.
Darnold and Allen were Boom or Bust picks. Allen improved his accuracy (concern at Wyoming) where Darnold didn’t improve on protecting the ball (concern at USC)
Rosen many were wrong but there were some red flags with Work Ethic at UCLA.
Jackson is he still anywhere close to being a passer in the league??? he came into the perfect scenario with Baltimore and credit to them for utilizing the athletic skill set he possesses and they have had a stroke of luck with his health.
Knowing what we knew in 2018…I’m sorry I would have been upset with picking Allen and I can’t fault the front office at that time for not picking Allen.
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I'm going to stop you right there on that one - hard no.
I audibly laughed at this... ?
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The ONLY big Josh Allen fan I remember on this board (pre-draft) was Cal; and many of us (including me) busted his chops about it. There were way more Josh Rosen fans in here that have remained pretty church mouse quiet about that today. I've mentioned more than once or twice that I waivered back and forth between Sam Uh-Oh (Darnold) and Baker Mayfield as my 1A and 1B. Even though 2021 is the most recent impression (it was the worst year of Baker's career so it's okay to think there's more to his dropoff than just waking up a bad/mediocre QB just 1 year after he was a good QB that helped us win a playoff game as recently as January of 2021). The TD Pass to INT ratio was 26 TD Passes to 8 INT. Not elite but better than some want to give him credit for.
Right now I'm hearing he's just Andy Dalton with 1 major exception. He was our starting QB the day Cleveland BEAT Pittsburgh 48-37 in the 1st round of the playoffs. Dalton made multiple Pro Bowls and led Cincy to the playoffs repeatedly but never won a playoff game. He just didn't have the 1st round arm strength Baker has so he was drafted in round 2. I'm hoping Baker becomes more comparable to Drew Brees when it all plays out. After Brees finished his 3rd year SD needed to use their next 1st overall pick on a QB (Eli Manning who they swapped with the NYG for Philip Rivers when Manning reminded them he won't play there). Things didn't go well for Brees until Rivers held out the entire length of training camp in Brees' 4th year. Love took time there and I think it's doing the same here; especially with how many different playbooks/OCs Baker had to learn and de-program on top of what we saw when he played injured this year. IMO, there has been some promise along the way in 2018 (fresh off 0-16 in 2017) and in 2020. I'm just hoping that's more along the lines of who he is than 2019 and 2021. I'll have to see in 2022.
The “Experts” weren’t that far off with the 2018 draft.
The consensus:
Mayfied had the highest floor.
Darnold and Allen were Boom or Bust picks. Allen improved his accuracy (concern at Wyoming) where Darnold didn’t improve on protecting the ball (concern at USC)
Rosen many were wrong but there were some red flags with Work Ethic at UCLA.
Jackson is he still anywhere close to being a passer in the league??? he came into the perfect scenario with Baltimore and credit to them for utilizing the athletic skill set he possesses and they have had a stroke of luck with his health.
Knowing what we knew in 2018…I’m sorry I would have been upset with picking Allen and I can’t fault the front office at that time for not picking Allen.
The “Experts” weren’t that far off with the 2018 draft.
The consensus:
Mayfied had the highest floor.
Darnold and Allen were Boom or Bust picks. Allen improved his accuracy (concern at Wyoming) where Darnold didn’t improve on protecting the ball (concern at USC)
Rosen many were wrong but there were some red flags with Work Ethic at UCLA.
Jackson is he still anywhere close to being a passer in the league??? he came into the perfect scenario with Baltimore and credit to them for utilizing the athletic skill set he possesses and they have had a stroke of luck with his health.
Knowing what we knew in 2018…I’m sorry I would have been upset with picking Allen and I can’t fault the front office at that time for not picking Allen.
It was an interesting offseason on here, for sure, with so many QBs that were projected as first rounders for us to peruse, as fans of a team that obviously was taking one of them.
Mayfield to me was the safe but underwhelming "highest floor/lowest ceiling" guy, which kind of has played out.
I liked Darnold, but really, really thought he should have stayed and played his senior season at USC.
I loved watching Rosen throw the ball, loved the way he attacked down the field, but the longer the draft process went, the more you started wondering about how much he really even liked playing football.
I don't honestly remember even giving Lamar Jackson a thought as a possibility for the Browns, and as good as he has been in the NFL as a starting QB (the kid just wins, period), I think he has peaked and is on the downslide, as QBs who can't consistently pass from the pocket almost always do.
Josh Allen was the big AFC North-type QB who played mediocre competition and couldn't hit the side of a barn. Kudos for him becoming a top level starting QB, because he's definitely the exception to the rule.
To be honest, by the time the draft rolled around, none of these guys made me think "Man, if we get THIS guy, we will rock!". I think I had talked myself out of loving any of them by late April, 2018.
But it was a pretty fun offseason on this board, for sure!
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I'm going to stop you right there on that one - hard no.
No, Flugels is right - I read a ton about a lot of players a lot of folks don't consider. You had no comment on my stupid mock draft - fine - but if you didn't read it - you have to know that your "Xs" and "Os" are not the only factor in judging talent. "Rosen is the best pure pocket passer" you Allen bashers said.
lol.
It is tough - a lot of teams with experts make grievous flagrant mistakes. I have fun trying. Generally I read up on high school success, and college. but ***I*** take into consideration who they are character wise if I can, and who they played with in college. My guesses are my guesses. I have fun with it.
btw, I did a LOT of reading about all the qb's in that draft - so......."Yes, Flugels is right again"
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The ONLY big Josh Allen fan I remember on this board (pre-draft) was Cal; and many of us (including me) busted his chops about it. Guilty ! ?
There were way more Josh Rosen fans in here that have remained pretty church mouse quiet about that today. Frozen AFCN playoff seasons ran me away from Rosen.. concussions
I've mentioned more than once or twice that I waivered back and forth between Sam Uh-Oh (Darnold) and Baker Mayfield as my 1A and 1B. Even though 2021 is the most recent
I remember your posting as this exactly ^ ^
I also was 1a/1b on both.. Mayfield became my 1st round choice during his Senior Bowl. Bake's Combine presser just cemented him as my choice.
Darnold saw ghosts...predraft.. I watched his same ghost, that refused to protect a football when in pocket panic mode... Guess what I missed? Baker has become just as bad ! ?
My largest Mayfield fail to see? He's cocky ..
“I already know what exactly I need to work on and improve going forward,” Mayfield said, via the Akron Beacon Journal. “That is the exciting thing about it, it is always a continual process of getting better and improving.”
Mayfield added, however, that he will not hire a private quarterback tutor, as some passers do during the offseason.(Josh Allen has not been the same QB since working with Palmer's brother)
“I do not need somebody to teach me how to do a three-step drop,” Mayfield said. “I can look at film and be critical of myself. Throughout this process, I have had people help me out along the way and try and take things from different people. Any time I am around somebody, I ask questions. Do not act like I have it all figured out. There is always room to improve and take things from there and there, but I would not say that I will go on the beach and swim through the ocean and try and learn how to play quarterback by doing that.”
I'm I taking this, in the right way? https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/27/baker-mayfield-says-hell-be-working-hard-this-offseason-but-not-with-a-qb-tutor/
What's his plan this off-season coming off surgery?
To date... Alex Van Pelt is still listed as a OC.... imho...he's Baker's QB coach if he likes it or not
“I already know what exactly I need to work on and improve going forward,” Mayfield said, via the Akron Beacon Journal.
Ahh, all set. I don't need any instruction. I got it all in my head. I got this.
Well, I as a Browns fan feel better.
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The ONLY big Josh Allen fan I remember on this board (pre-draft) was Cal; and many of us (including me) busted his chops about it. There were way more Josh Rosen fans in here that have remained pretty church mouse quiet about that today. I've mentioned more than once or twice that I waivered back and forth between Sam Uh-Oh (Darnold) and Baker Mayfield as my 1A and 1B. Even though 2021 is the most recent impression (it was the worst year of Baker's career so it's okay to think there's more to his dropoff than just waking up a bad/mediocre QB just 1 year after he was a good QB that helped us win a playoff game as recently as January of 2021). The TD Pass to INT ratio was 26 TD Passes to 8 INT. Not elite but better than some want to give him credit for.
Right now I'm hearing he's just Andy Dalton with 1 major exception. He was our starting QB the day Cleveland BEAT Pittsburgh 48-37 in the 1st round of the playoffs. Dalton made multiple Pro Bowls and led Cincy to the playoffs repeatedly but never won a playoff game. He just didn't have the 1st round arm strength Baker has so he was drafted in round 2. I'm hoping Baker becomes more comparable to Drew Brees when it all plays out. After Brees finished his 3rd year SD needed to use their next 1st overall pick on a QB (Eli Manning who they swapped with the NYG for Philip Rivers when Manning reminded them he won't play there). Things didn't go well for Brees until Rivers held out the entire length of training camp in Brees' 4th year. Love took time there and I think it's doing the same here; especially with how many different playbooks/OCs Baker had to learn and de-program on top of what we saw when he played injured this year. IMO, there has been some promise along the way in 2018 (fresh off 0-16 in 2017) and in 2020. I'm just hoping that's more along the lines of who he is than 2019 and 2021. I'll have to see in 2022.
The “Experts” weren’t that far off with the 2018 draft.
The consensus:
Mayfied had the highest floor.
Darnold and Allen were Boom or Bust picks. Allen improved his accuracy (concern at Wyoming) where Darnold didn’t improve on protecting the ball (concern at USC)
Rosen many were wrong but there were some red flags with Work Ethic at UCLA.
Jackson is he still anywhere close to being a passer in the league??? he came into the perfect scenario with Baltimore and credit to them for utilizing the athletic skill set he possesses and they have had a stroke of luck with his health.
Knowing what we knew in 2018…I’m sorry I would have been upset with picking Allen and I can’t fault the front office at that time for not picking Allen.
Rosen many were wrong but there were some red flags with Work Ethic at UCLA.
In this same mold it is what looks to doom Dwayne Haskins career. Great physical tools, good fundamentals and can spin it with accuracy and anticipation.
By all accounts he has refused to work hard in the NFL. It sucks because I believed he was a very capable prospect, and in that respect I suppose I wasn't wrong. In a sense I also suppose as Browns fans we should be grateful. He fell into a situation in Pittsbugh where he could helm a cornerstone and stable franchise but has failed to take the initiative. Clock is winding down and doesn't look good for him, similar to what possessed Rosen - just a lack of commitment.
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Baker is basically a Sober Johnny Manziel
I called him Manziel 2.0 back during the draft...
They are both 2 short
Baker is basically a Sober Johnny Manziel
I called him Manziel 2.0 back during the draft...
They are both 2 short
That's "short sighted", LOL. Baker is almost exactly the same height as Brett Farve, and taller than Brees. If you want to talk short, you can have Kyler Murray.
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The ONLY big Josh Allen fan I remember on this board (pre-draft) was Cal; and many of us (including me) busted his chops about it. Guilty ! ?
There were way more Josh Rosen fans in here that have remained pretty church mouse quiet about that today. Frozen AFCN playoff seasons ran me away from Rosen.. concussions
I've mentioned more than once or twice that I waivered back and forth between Sam Uh-Oh (Darnold) and Baker Mayfield as my 1A and 1B. Even though 2021 is the most recent
I remember your posting as this exactly ^ ^
I also was 1a/1b on both.. Mayfield became my 1st round choice during his Senior Bowl. Bake's Combine presser just cemented him as my choice.
Darnold saw ghosts...predraft.. I watched his same ghost, that refused to protect a football when in pocket panic mode... Guess what I missed? Baker has become just as bad ! ?
My largest Mayfield fail to see? He's cocky ..
“I already know what exactly I need to work on and improve going forward,” Mayfield said, via the Akron Beacon Journal. “That is the exciting thing about it, it is always a continual process of getting better and improving.”
Mayfield added, however, that he will not hire a private quarterback tutor, as some passers do during the offseason.(Josh Allen has not been the same QB since working with Palmer's brother)
“I do not need somebody to teach me how to do a three-step drop,” Mayfield said. “I can look at film and be critical of myself. Throughout this process, I have had people help me out along the way and try and take things from different people. Any time I am around somebody, I ask questions. Do not act like I have it all figured out. There is always room to improve and take things from there and there, but I would not say that I will go on the beach and swim through the ocean and try and learn how to play quarterback by doing that.”
I'm I taking this, in the right way? https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/27/baker-mayfield-says-hell-be-working-hard-this-offseason-but-not-with-a-qb-tutor/
What's his plan this off-season coming off surgery?
To date... Alex Van Pelt is still listed as a OC.... imho...he's Baker's QB coach if he likes it or not
I remember your posting as this exactly ^ ^
1) I also was 1a/1b on both.. Mayfield became my 1st round choice during his Senior Bowl. Bake's Combine presser just cemented him as my choice.
Darnold saw ghosts...predraft.. I watched his same ghost, that refused to protect a football when in pocket panic mode... Guess what I missed? Baker has become just as bad ! ?
2) My largest Mayfield fail to see? He's cocky ..
“I already know what exactly I need to work on and improve going forward,” Mayfield said, via the Akron Beacon Journal. “That is the exciting thing about it, it is always a continual process of getting better and improving.”
1) Ditto, though Cal doesn't believe that ..I had Rosen as a distant 3rd, and Allen as a second round pick...
2) Then you're going to fail Baker... Self examination won't work.... Sorry- I may not know all that much about NFL Quarterbacks throwing a football, but one thing I feel competent to expound on, having played the game on the collegiate level- is top level Tennis players. They ALL have private coaches. Novak, Nadal, Serena, ALL of them... Sure Baker... after you hit a tennis serve 20, 30,000 times you should be able to do it in your sleep. Hate to tell you as far as throwing mechanics work, or realizing that there's some major flaws in your game that an outside eye could help you in a big way, go ahead, cocky away. You already proved to me (and to a lot of other Browns fans) that you're as stubborn as a Missouri Mule and get a big FAIL accurately self diagnosing your ability to accurately throw a football post injury.
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That's "short sighted", LOL. Baker is almost exactly the same height as Brett Farve, and taller than Brees. If you want to talk short, you can have Kyler Murray.
Brett Farve is 6'3 225lbs.
So by "almost exactly" then, sure... if you had 3 inches and 20lbs or so.
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Even the blind pig finds an acorn once in a blue moon??. I wanted either Rosen or Darnold, but certainly not JFF II or Big Inaccurate Wyoming Arm. So sue me.?
Cal does a lot of research that makes him comfortable with his football opinions. I like that he doesn't take inventory of popular opinion before he decides to swim against the current on a guy like Josh Allen.
Cal does a lot of his own research
FTFY.
If you're throwing darts and miss so bad you hit the guy walking out of the bathroom and just by random luck bullseye the next one.. you're not A Good Thrower Now And ForeverMore Because Shut Up That's Why. Randomness is a thing..
Allen turned out to be the 1 in 1000 guy who was humble enough to actually make fundamental changes. I've linked before to the Kollmann vid where he describes the actual change in form. Baker.. Is Dangerous without the work ethic to make himself better.
The part that's frustrating about Baker is that he appears to have the defensiveness of a person who's accomplished something but fears he is being found out.. but can't let himself hang up the ego to both do self-evaluation to discern where he could get better and then lay out a plan to actually accomplish that something by addressing those areas.
I don't need to befriend him to know this.. this is a cold hard evaluation of the film. Or, you know, of reading Tia's evaluations of the film.
I'm going to stop you right there on that one - hard no.
Cal's ideas are intriguing to me, and I would like to subscribe to his newsletter.
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