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  • @kvoethe said:

    Baker is basically a Sober Johnny Manziel

    I called him Manziel 2.0 back during the draft...

    They are both 2 short

    That's "short sighted", LOL.   Baker is almost exactly the same height as Brett Farve, and taller than Brees. If you want to talk short, you can have Kyler Murray.  

    @hoorta said:

    That's "short sighted", LOL.   Baker is almost exactly the same height as Brett Farve, and taller than Brees. If you want to talk short, you can have Kyler Murray.  

    Brett Farve is 6'3 225lbs.

    So by "almost exactly" then, sure... if you had 3 inches and 20lbs or so.

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Even the blind pig finds an acorn once in a blue moon??. I wanted either Rosen or Darnold, but certainly not JFF II or Big Inaccurate Wyoming Arm. So sue me.?

    Cal does a lot of research that makes him comfortable with his football opinions.  I like that he doesn't take inventory of popular opinion before he decides to swim against the current on a guy like Josh Allen.

    @flugel said:

    Cal does a lot of his own research

    FTFY. 

    If you're throwing darts and miss so bad you hit the guy walking out of the bathroom and just by random luck bullseye the next one.. you're not A Good Thrower Now And ForeverMore Because Shut Up That's Why.  Randomness is a thing..

    Allen turned out to be the 1 in 1000 guy who was humble enough to actually make fundamental changes.  I've linked before to the Kollmann vid where he describes the actual change in form.  Baker.. Is Dangerous without the work ethic to make himself better.

    The part that's frustrating about Baker is that he appears to have the defensiveness of a person who's accomplished something but fears he is being found out.. but can't let himself hang up the ego to both do self-evaluation to discern where he could get better and then lay out a plan to actually accomplish that something by addressing those areas.

    I don't need to befriend him to know this.. this is a cold hard evaluation of the film.  Or, you know, of reading Tia's evaluations of the film.

    @tiamat63 said:

    I'm going to stop you right there on that one - hard no.

    Cal's ideas are intriguing to me, and I would like to subscribe to his newsletter. 

    "By your logic, I could claim that this rock is keeping tigers away from our suburb."

  • Josh Allen was this big, corn-fed hick from Bum Fuck Hickland, USA with a cannon for an arm.

    He was the shiny object of the QB class of 2018. Of course cal would be drawn to him, like a hick moth to a hick flame. 

    It's the same reason he's drawn to a random 6'8" 350lb Offensive or Defensive Tackle every draft. 

    Ooh! Look how shiny!

  • baloney. not even entertaining. I imagine Andrew Berry and Alex Van Pelt know more about football.....

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    "I'll plant the flag when we go 17-0 next year": Baker ...

    Andrew Berry on Baker Mayfield: "We know his work ethic. We know his drive. We see him as a talented passer in this league… We expect him to bounce back next year." #Browns — Hayden Grove (@H_Grove) January 11, 2022 .

     

    Alex Van Pelt praises Baker Mayfield's extra effort, work ...

    New Browns OC Alex Van Pelt praises Baker Mayfield's extra effort, work ethic. Share this article 92 shares share tweet text email link Jeff Risdon. June 4, 2020 9:18 am ET. Browns offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt is the lastest assistant coach to step up to the Zoom camera and host a teleconference with reporters. ...
  • @hoorta said:

    That's "short sighted", LOL.   Baker is almost exactly the same height as Brett Farve, and taller than Brees. If you want to talk short, you can have Kyler Murray.  

    Brett Farve is 6'3 225lbs.

    So by "almost exactly" then, sure... if you had 3 inches and 20lbs or so.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Brett Farve is 6'3 225lbs.

    So by "almost exactly" then, sure... if you had 3 inches and 20lbs or so.

    Sorry... Not according to pro football reference.. (And a lot of other sites too)... Favre 6'2", 222.... Baker 6'1, 215... I call that statistically insignificant, and the 6'1" was a combine measurement.  FWIW.. Brees 6'0", 209... Midget Murray 5'10", 207 (almost no one believes that though)  

    BTW, Joe Montana was 6'2"- you're not going to convince me one stinking inch in height makes that huge a difference.  

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Brett Farve is 6'3 225lbs.

    So by "almost exactly" then, sure... if you had 3 inches and 20lbs or so.

    Sorry... Not according to pro football reference.. (And a lot of other sites too)... Favre 6'2", 222.... Baker 6'1, 215... I call that statistically insignificant, and the 6'1" was a combine measurement.  FWIW.. Brees 6'0", 209... Midget Murray 5'10", 207 (almost no one believes that though)  

    BTW, Joe Montana was 6'2"- you're not going to convince me one stinking inch in height makes that huge a difference.  

    @hoorta said:

    Sorry... Not according to pro football reference.. (And a lot of other sites too)... Favre 6'2", 222.... Baker 6'1, 215... I call that statistically insignificant, and the 6'1" was a combine measurement.  FWIW.. Brees 6'0", 209... Midget Murray 5'10", 207 (almost no one believes that though)  

    You'll have to trust me on this, having seen 2 of the 3 in person.  Farve is a solid built 6'3, and was closer to 230lbs prime years.   Baker is a shade under 6'1 in cleats and just north of 2 bills.    Murray on the other hand is 5'10 in cleats and about 190lbs. I have no idea who he paid to inflate those combine numbers, but I'm sure it wasn't cheap.

  • @hoorta said:

    Sorry... Not according to pro football reference.. (And a lot of other sites too)... Favre 6'2", 222.... Baker 6'1, 215... I call that statistically insignificant, and the 6'1" was a combine measurement.  FWIW.. Brees 6'0", 209... Midget Murray 5'10", 207 (almost no one believes that though)  

    You'll have to trust me on this, having seen 2 of the 3 in person.  Farve is a solid built 6'3, and was closer to 230lbs prime years.   Baker is a shade under 6'1 in cleats and just north of 2 bills.    Murray on the other hand is 5'10 in cleats and about 190lbs. I have no idea who he paid to inflate those combine numbers, but I'm sure it wasn't cheap.

    @tiamat63 said:

    You'll have to trust me on this, having seen 2 of the 3 in person.  Farve is a solid built 6'3, and was closer to 230lbs prime years.   Baker is a shade under 6'1 in cleats and just north of 2 bills.    Murray on the other hand is 5'10 in cleats and about 190lbs. I have no idea who he paid to inflate those combine numbers, but I'm sure it wasn't cheap.

    Well, I don't.. 🙂  Again, sorry... Standing next to someone and putting a measuring tape on them are two different critters entirely.  FWIW, before I started shrinking in my old age I measured nearly 6'2", 1\2" short of that...  I met Dough Dieken decades ago face to face several times at Browns Backers functions.. And you'd never convince me he's 6'5" either.     

  • @flugel said:

    Cal does a lot of his own research

    FTFY. 

    If you're throwing darts and miss so bad you hit the guy walking out of the bathroom and just by random luck bullseye the next one.. you're not A Good Thrower Now And ForeverMore Because Shut Up That's Why.  Randomness is a thing..

    Allen turned out to be the 1 in 1000 guy who was humble enough to actually make fundamental changes.  I've linked before to the Kollmann vid where he describes the actual change in form.  Baker.. Is Dangerous without the work ethic to make himself better.

    The part that's frustrating about Baker is that he appears to have the defensiveness of a person who's accomplished something but fears he is being found out.. but can't let himself hang up the ego to both do self-evaluation to discern where he could get better and then lay out a plan to actually accomplish that something by addressing those areas.

    I don't need to befriend him to know this.. this is a cold hard evaluation of the film.  Or, you know, of reading Tia's evaluations of the film.

    @tiamat63 said:

    I'm going to stop you right there on that one - hard no.

    Cal's ideas are intriguing to me, and I would like to subscribe to his newsletter. 

    "By your logic, I could claim that this rock is keeping tigers away from our suburb."

    @unsympathetic said:

    FTFY. 

    If you're throwing darts and miss so bad you hit the guy walking out of the bathroom and just by random luck bullseye the next one.. you're not A Good Thrower Now And ForeverMore Because Shut Up That's Why.  Randomness is a thing..

    Allen turned out to be the 1 in 1000 guy who was humble enough to actually make fundamental changes.  I've linked before to the Kollmann vid where he describes the actual change in form.  Baker.. Is Dangerous without the work ethic to make himself better.

    The part that's frustrating about Baker is that he appears to have the defensiveness of a person who's accomplished something but fears he is being found out.. but can't let himself hang up the ego to both do self-evaluation to discern where he could get better and then lay out a plan to actually accomplish that something by addressing those areas.

    I don't need to befriend him to know this.. this is a cold hard evaluation of the film.  Or, you know, of reading Tia's evaluations of the film.

    Cal's ideas are intriguing to me, and I would like to subscribe to his newsletter. 

    "By your logic, I could claim that this rock is keeping tigers away from our suburb."

    Regarding Allen, you're preaching to the choir...   

    And Cal's crowing about Baker's "tremendous work ethic"....  Well, that doesn't mean diddly squat if he's working on the wrong things, or working on the right things in the wrong way....   In a nutshell, that's why you absolutely need an outside expert who has a trained eye to make suggestions.  Had a personal experience of that when I threw my racket in the car and headed down to Hilton Head for some R&R.  Decided to take a lesson and hit some balls with the Club Pro, after 5 minutes... Well, your footwork could be a lot better.  BTW, we played a set later, and he didn't shut me out either.  🙂   

    EDIT: And if you bothered to play that tweet in the link.. Well said... the reason the Browns kept putting a wounded Mayfield out there was primarily because he was the #1 overall pick. If he had been taken in the third round (Like Charlie Frye) would Stef still have been playing him? I doubt it.  

  • @tiamat63 said:

    You'll have to trust me on this, having seen 2 of the 3 in person.  Farve is a solid built 6'3, and was closer to 230lbs prime years.   Baker is a shade under 6'1 in cleats and just north of 2 bills.    Murray on the other hand is 5'10 in cleats and about 190lbs. I have no idea who he paid to inflate those combine numbers, but I'm sure it wasn't cheap.

    Well, I don't.. 🙂  Again, sorry... Standing next to someone and putting a measuring tape on them are two different critters entirely.  FWIW, before I started shrinking in my old age I measured nearly 6'2", 1\2" short of that...  I met Dough Dieken decades ago face to face several times at Browns Backers functions.. And you'd never convince me he's 6'5" either.     

    @hoorta said:

    Well, I don't.. 🙂  Again, sorry... Standing next to someone and putting a measuring tape on them are two different critters entirely.  FWIW, before I started shrinking in my old age I measured nearly 6'2", 1\2" short of that...  I met Dough Dieken decades ago face to face several times at Browns Backers functions.. And you'd never convince me he's 6'5" either.     

    Ive seen Bernie Kosar in person and I swear he looks taller than 6'5..

  • @unsympathetic said:

    FTFY. 

    If you're throwing darts and miss so bad you hit the guy walking out of the bathroom and just by random luck bullseye the next one.. you're not A Good Thrower Now And ForeverMore Because Shut Up That's Why.  Randomness is a thing..

    Allen turned out to be the 1 in 1000 guy who was humble enough to actually make fundamental changes.  I've linked before to the Kollmann vid where he describes the actual change in form.  Baker.. Is Dangerous without the work ethic to make himself better.

    The part that's frustrating about Baker is that he appears to have the defensiveness of a person who's accomplished something but fears he is being found out.. but can't let himself hang up the ego to both do self-evaluation to discern where he could get better and then lay out a plan to actually accomplish that something by addressing those areas.

    I don't need to befriend him to know this.. this is a cold hard evaluation of the film.  Or, you know, of reading Tia's evaluations of the film.

    Cal's ideas are intriguing to me, and I would like to subscribe to his newsletter. 

    "By your logic, I could claim that this rock is keeping tigers away from our suburb."

    Regarding Allen, you're preaching to the choir...   

    And Cal's crowing about Baker's "tremendous work ethic"....  Well, that doesn't mean diddly squat if he's working on the wrong things, or working on the right things in the wrong way....   In a nutshell, that's why you absolutely need an outside expert who has a trained eye to make suggestions.  Had a personal experience of that when I threw my racket in the car and headed down to Hilton Head for some R&R.  Decided to take a lesson and hit some balls with the Club Pro, after 5 minutes... Well, your footwork could be a lot better.  BTW, we played a set later, and he didn't shut me out either.  🙂   

    EDIT: And if you bothered to play that tweet in the link.. Well said... the reason the Browns kept putting a wounded Mayfield out there was primarily because he was the #1 overall pick. If he had been taken in the third round (Like Charlie Frye) would Stef still have been playing him? I doubt it.  

    @hoorta said:

    And Cal's crowing about Baker's "tremendous work ethic"....  Well, that doesn't mean diddly squat if he's working on the wrong things, or working on the right things in the wrong way.

    and Hoorta's deflection is dumb perception. "if a pig had big wings it could fly" LOL. der.

    I'll take what Joe Thomas said.

    https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Joe-Thomas-comments-on-Tyrod-Taylor-Baker-Mayfield-Cleveland-Browns-118937843/

    As for Mayfield, Thomas praised the work ethic of last year's Heisman Trophy winner.

    "It’s great having a guy like that as a rookie," said Thomas of Mayfield. "He’s already smart, but I think he recognizes the work it takes to be an All-Pro quarterback, to be a starting quarterback. He’s willing to put that work in, which is awesome."

  • Cal, posting links to how Joe Thomas praised Baker for his work ethic as a rookie, apparently forgetting how he showed up for his second NFL season fat, out of shape while getting blowies in the parking lot of The Cheesecake Factory. ?

  • Cal, posting links to how Joe Thomas praised Baker for his work ethic as a rookie, apparently forgetting how he showed up for his second NFL season fat, out of shape while getting blowies in the parking lot of The Cheesecake Factory. ?

    @dutch-oven said:

    Cal, posting links to how Joe Thomas praised Baker for his work ethic as a rookie, apparently forgetting how he showed up for his second NFL season fat, out of shape while getting blowies in the parking lot of The Cheesecake Factory. ?

    I mean, raise your hand if you haven't* gotten your dick sucked in the Cheesecake Factory parking lot.  

    ... exactly.   We don't throw stones here, boys.

  • Cal, posting links to how Joe Thomas praised Baker for his work ethic as a rookie, apparently forgetting how he showed up for his second NFL season fat, out of shape while getting blowies in the parking lot of The Cheesecake Factory. ?

    @dutch-oven said:

    Cal, posting links to how Joe Thomas praised Baker for his work ethic as a rookie, apparently forgetting how he showed up for his second NFL season fat, out of shape while getting blowies in the parking lot of The Cheesecake Factory. ?

    And your spin is getting really old Cal, especially when someone bothers to check out the link....  Cal's great at posting links to stuff that's a year old, or in this particular case years old that has ZERO relevance to the 2022 off season. 

    Let me put it this way for the thick headed one out there....  Great... Baker is shooting for 17-0.  Nothing wrong with confidence or even being a little bit cocky.  I'm taking some of his comments on being damn near arrogant.  I know me better than anyone else. Sorry Mr. Mayfield you don't, certainly not when it comes to specifics you need to work on.  I wish you well, but you're starting to piss me off with an ever increasing shitty attitude. Me against the world.  

    MHO? Browns could well have made the playoffs if Baker was willing to admit to himself that he was playing like crap, done the right thing, and let Keenum take over.   

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Cal, posting links to how Joe Thomas praised Baker for his work ethic as a rookie, apparently forgetting how he showed up for his second NFL season fat, out of shape while getting blowies in the parking lot of The Cheesecake Factory. ?

    I mean, raise your hand if you haven't* gotten your dick sucked in the Cheesecake Factory parking lot.  

    ... exactly.   We don't throw stones here, boys.

    @tiamat63 said:

    I mean, raise your hand if you haven't* gotten your dick sucked in the Cheesecake Factory parking lot.  

    ... exactly.   We don't throw stones here, boys.

    As incredibly dark as they keep that place - like so dark you need your phone flashlight to be able to read the menu - one could probably get one IN the Cheesecake Factory and no one would notice. 

    If it happened while you were eating one of their delicious pieces of cheesecake, even better. 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    I mean, raise your hand if you haven't* gotten your dick sucked in the Cheesecake Factory parking lot.  

    ... exactly.   We don't throw stones here, boys.

    As incredibly dark as they keep that place - like so dark you need your phone flashlight to be able to read the menu - one could probably get one IN the Cheesecake Factory and no one would notice. 

    If it happened while you were eating one of their delicious pieces of cheesecake, even better. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    As incredibly dark as they keep that place - like so dark you need your phone flashlight to be able to read the menu - one could probably get one IN the Cheesecake Factory and no one would notice. 

    If it happened while you were eating one of their delicious pieces of cheesecake, even better. 

    But Have you been inside…meal+drinks+cheesecake+fancy coffee Drink= premium paid for chain food and most married people aren’t walking away with a happy ending.  
     

    But Im with you the cheesecake is very good. 
     

  • @dutch-oven said:

    As incredibly dark as they keep that place - like so dark you need your phone flashlight to be able to read the menu - one could probably get one IN the Cheesecake Factory and no one would notice. 

    If it happened while you were eating one of their delicious pieces of cheesecake, even better. 

    But Have you been inside…meal+drinks+cheesecake+fancy coffee Drink= premium paid for chain food and most married people aren’t walking away with a happy ending.  
     

    But Im with you the cheesecake is very good. 
     

    @sdbacker80 said:

    But Have you been inside…meal+drinks+cheesecake+fancy coffee Drink= premium paid for chain food and most married people aren’t walking away with a happy ending.  
     

    But Im with you the cheesecake is very good. 
     

    You can make way better cheese cake at home. And not deal with people you don’t want to be around

  • To get back on topic, Kyler Murray won’t last 5 years in the NFL. Someone will go, Buddy Ryan, and take him out

    He is way way way to small to last at QB in the NFL. He can’t be a pocket QB on a consistent basis, and that is pretty much the only way to last at QB in the NFL

  • Wow Bad injury there hope he’s okay.  That arm and entire side was out after that collision 

  • good news on Budda..  that looked bad... and we don't need ambulance cams out of stadiums

    Happy most for Matthew Stafford... He's really played well all night

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Cal, posting links to how Joe Thomas praised Baker for his work ethic as a rookie, apparently forgetting how he showed up for his second NFL season fat, out of shape while getting blowies in the parking lot of The Cheesecake Factory. ?

    And your spin is getting really old Cal, especially when someone bothers to check out the link....  Cal's great at posting links to stuff that's a year old, or in this particular case years old that has ZERO relevance to the 2022 off season. 

    Let me put it this way for the thick headed one out there....  Great... Baker is shooting for 17-0.  Nothing wrong with confidence or even being a little bit cocky.  I'm taking some of his comments on being damn near arrogant.  I know me better than anyone else. Sorry Mr. Mayfield you don't, certainly not when it comes to specifics you need to work on.  I wish you well, but you're starting to piss me off with an ever increasing shitty attitude. Me against the world.  

    MHO? Browns could well have made the playoffs if Baker was willing to admit to himself that he was playing like crap, done the right thing, and let Keenum take over.   

    @hoorta said:

    And your spin is getting really old Cal, especially when someone bothers to check out the link....  Cal's great at posting links to stuff that's a year old, or in this particular case years old that has ZERO relevance to the 2022 off season. 

    Let me put it this way for the thick headed one out there....  Great... Baker is shooting for 17-0.  Nothing wrong with confidence or even being a little bit cocky.  I'm taking some of his comments on being damn near arrogant.  I know me better than anyone else. Sorry Mr. Mayfield you don't, certainly not when it comes to specifics you need to work on.  I wish you well, but you're starting to piss me off with an ever increasing shitty attitude. Me against the world.  

    MHO? Browns could well have made the playoffs if Baker was willing to admit to himself that he was playing like crap, done the right thing, and let Keenum take over.   

    I know the links were older, it doesn't matter. Baker has a serious work ethic. Saying he doesn't work on .etc etc etc, is just

    whining, sassy conjecture. That is what really gets old.