It's All About The QB! Always has been!

tiamat63

@dutch-oven said:

If it happened while you were eating one of their delicious pieces of cheesecake, even better.

That would be the natural evolution of things, I would hope.

@browns149 said:

You can make way better cheese cake at home. And not deal with people you don’t want to be around

But where else can I combine getting strange and cheesecake without having to cook? You ponder that one, friend.

hoorta

@calfoxwc said:

sorry, but you don't have much room to talk. Like a few other folks have noted - your and Tiam's clique demand to run this place and dominate -

no wonder you get into it with people. You never learn. You and Tiam need to grow up and let others have their own opinions around here. Some folks won't post around here much, but it's true what I'm saying.

That is my point. And I don't need your sassy controlling permission, either.

Dominate? Got a martyr complex now to add to your psycho resume? Be thankful we let you post off the wall 4 year old crap (no chance whatsoever things may be totally different now, LOL) and you think it still somehow means the same thing years down the road.

Trying to make a point about what Joe Thomas said in 2018? Get outta here with that crap.

BTW, I have plenty of permission to kick your nutso ass off of here for as long as I would feel like doing- so as I PMed you- don't push your luck

tiamat63

@calfoxwc said:

sorry, but you don't have much room to talk. Like a few other folks have noted - your and Tiam's clique demand to run this place and dominate -

If I remember correctly, my camp threads got thousands of views with a couple hundred responses? My quick breakdowns in the Baker thread generate a few hundred views alone on this little obscure corner of the internet overnight. Why? I post shit that's original, my own work and, most importantly - good. I'm ahead of the curve (a bit) and It's really that simple

Dominate conversations? You have hundreds... possibly a thousand, empty threads in the poli board alone. Yet you still persist in posting them (last I checked) over and over on a near daily basis. Even though nobody is listening. From what I understand, there are threads where you receive responses from posters that don't agree with you or ask you to debate them on merit and you delete then repost them.

You mention how much research you do. The article linking to a Brandon Schreff comparison is about the best example you're going to find. You were so obsessed with finding a syndicated opinion to, I guess "prove" your player research was so good, that you ended up failing to realize how bad Schreff was at the position he was initially drafted to and what's what got him kicked inside to guard.

I've had quite a few hits on my player evals. Easily more than my misses over the last 12 years I've been doing reviews. You won't find a single thread of mine bragging about that saying "The Browns should have taken *insert xxx player** Meanwhile you won't shut THEE fuck up about Josh Allen. Even though you were as quiet as church mouse his first 2 years in the league when he just flat out wasn't good... actually he was one of the worst QB's in the NFL. Even more funny, not I or anyone else here rubbed that fact in your face those first 2 years.

But year 3 though... ?!?! Whoa boy, you couldn't WAIT to ride that dick and let everyone know.

I've said this before, you are in need of a psych eval.

hoorta

@tiamat63 said:

I've said this before, you (Cal) are in need of a psych eval.

I really hate to drag dirty laundry out in public... BUT.... FWIW, my family may have a lot of inbred problems... Hypothyroidism, high blood pressure, and a few others... But psychiatric imbalances aren't one of them. You listening Cal? Probably not.. in your mind, I'm OK- its just the rest of the world that's fucked up. As you pointed out Tia, he enjoys talking to himself...

Even his pals have PMed me privately and said as much. I'll put on my Moderator Hat for a minute and give you our (collective) POV as Moderators. Communing with Z... MHO is Cal is batshit crazy (won't name names) but one of our Board guys who did psychiatric counselling for years 100% agrees....

What to do, what to do.... If you're an old timer around here we had guy(s) very similar to Cal.. Ghoolie (who we finally had to permanently ban) and Rich4Eagle (Cal clone) - who decided to never post here again. Take the hint Cal- 4chan, 8chan, and Parler await your presence....

Funny... didya ever notice Cal damn near ALWYS tries to get the last word in, even though his spew has been debunked (just not in his rabbit hole mind) over and over, & he just keeps spinning and spinning away? I'm no psychologist, but I'll term that obsessive-compulsive behavior.

So fellow board members, put Cal on ignore, and let him talk to himself like he does on the Poli Board.... and if he says one nasty word to me in response this time, he's gone for an appropriate TBD time... My patience has worn thin with psychos. Whatever would he do if we take his soapbox away?

Furious Styles

So much for if it’s all about the Quarterback I suppose ?

calfoxwc

@hoorta said:

Dominate? Got a martyr complex now to add to your psycho resume? Be thankful we let you post off the wall 4 year old crap (no chance whatsoever things may be totally different now, LOL) and you think it still somehow means the same thing years down the road.

Trying to make a point about what Joe Thomas said in 2018? Get outta here with that crap.

BTW, I have plenty of permission to kick your nutso ass off of here for as long as I would feel like doing- so as I PMed you- don't push your luck

and don't do it again. You lost respect when you gave Axe three warning points for pointing out the truth about yourself. Seems YOU always have to have the last word. That's mine. It's cowardly to bring up the poli board again and again - we don't like you, don't respect you, don't care about you. YOu start trouble to get people kicked off the board.

I sneeze in your dishonest wine soaking up direction, want to talk football, and I will do it any time I want.

Grow up and join a AAA meeting. And there are others who feel the same way. Sober the f up.

I don't post all that much most of the time here. Unless you and your roomie Tiam start crap.

calfoxwc

@tiamat63 said:

But year 3 though... ?!?! Whoa boy, you couldn't WAIT to ride that dick and let everyone know.

shove it. I don't like arrogant wannaby bullies.

You and Whoorta are like Hoortiam. STFU.

I do like you pics with plays though. So, have you ever done a mock draft?

hoorta

@calfoxwc said:

and don't do it again. You lost respect when you gave Axe three warning points for pointing out the truth about yourself. Seems YOU always have to have the last word. That's mine. It's cowardly to bring up the poli board again and again - we don't like you, don't respect you, don't care about you. YOu start trouble to get people kicked off the board.

I sneeze in your dishonest wine soaking up direction, want to talk football, and I will do it any time I want.

Grow up and join a AAA meeting. And there are others who feel the same way. Sober the f up.

I don't post all that much most of the time here. Unless you and your roomie Tiam start crap.

So why don't you get yourself some psychiatric counselling? You're fruit loop nuts.. And I have at least three other posters who 100% agree with me... You don't post much? Golly gee 51,000 posts isn't much?

Um no you won't... See ya next week BTW, checking your warnings- I noticed one of them came from Atenears himself... So I wouldn't bother crying to Kathy when you come back...

nickers

LOL @ all the vitriol going on... Sit down guys and smoke a doobie and chill... We all want the same thing as far as the Browns go...

hoorta

@nickers said:

LOL @ all the vitriol going on... Sit down guys and smoke a doobie and chill... We all want the same thing as far as the Browns go...

Perfectly calm Nickers.. Yeah, things did get out of hand...

EDIT: Regarding Cal... As I responded to him earlier in this thread... BTW, I have plenty of permission to kick your nutso ass off of here for as long as I would feel like doing- so as I PMed you- don't push your luck.

Cal wasn't listening, and pushed his luck too far this time... Must have thought he was posting to the Political Forum where there aren't any rules...

Dutch Oven

I don't know how hoorta is going to sleep tonight with the knowledge that cal and the other brilliant minds of the Political Forum have lost respect for him.

Hey hoorta, when you go to one of those "AAA" meetings be sure to grab me some road maps. I'm old-school that way.

gumby73

@hoorta said:

Cal wasn't listening, and pushed his luck too far this time... Must have thought he was posting to the Political Forum where there aren't any rules...

what'd I miss ?

? sending her your way

ATOM

@hoorta said:

Perfectly calm Nickers.. Yeah, things did get out of hand...

EDIT: Regarding Cal... As I responded to him earlier in this thread... BTW, I have plenty of permission to kick your nutso ass off of here for as long as I would feel like doing- so as I PMed you- don't push your luck.

Cal wasn't listening, and pushed his luck too far this time... Must have thought he was posting to the Political Forum where there aren't any rules...

uh oh poor cal but i do like to troll the polo board from time to time

hoorta

@dutch-oven said:

I don't know how hoorta is going to sleep tonight with the knowledge that cal and the other brilliant minds of the Political Forum have lost respect for him.

Hey hoorta, when you go to one of those "AAA" meetings be sure to grab me some road maps. I'm old-school that way.

I've yet to ask Zombo (who's been known to have a beer or three) what his reaction would have been if Cal had called him an alcoholic, and suggested he go to AA. Oh, I won't pile on AAA? I'd suggest a road map here. https://www.healthgrades.com/psychiatry-directory/oh-ohio/cleveland

I'm just going to say this and (probably) just shut up on the topic... What's done is done... To quote our dear departed member Gipper, Cal's opinion of me isn't worth a cabbage fart.

So to my (friends) sort of- from the Poli Board before you get up in arms, and I'm going to name you by name.... Vambo, Gorka, Diehard Browns Fan, Axe... Miss anyone? Here's the BIG difference... You guys know how to behave when you post here... Cal's brain has left the station without him, and he's no longer able to distinguish the difference. I tolerated the illogic, obsessive compulsive retorts, and personal insults as long as I could. I hope he'll learn (doubtful) with his kiddie timeout that there's different rules on the Browns Forum as opposed to the Political Forum... And repeatedly insulting a Moderator isn't one of them... I'll just say that Cal was repeatedly warned, both publicly and in private PMs to back off, but like the now departed Rich4Eagle, he just kept on keeping on escalating the rhetoric level until "I had no choice".

@gumby73 said:

what'd I miss ?

? sending her your way

I'm certainly not my parents Gumby, but if you have zero moderation, things rapidly devolve into anarchy. & damn, I hate putting my Moderator hat on, especially in this particular case. Anyone around here old enough to remember totally unmoderated UseNet in the early days of the Internet? It rapidly became a troll and spam infested cesspool.

BTW, she can pick out a bottle or three for me anytime.

Gorka

@hoorta said:

Well, I don't.. Again, sorry... Standing next to someone and putting a measuring tape on them are two different critters entirely. FWIW, before I started shrinking in my old age I measured nearly 6'2", 1\2" short of that... I met Dough Dieken decades ago face to face several times at Browns Backers functions.. And you'd never convince me he's 6'5" either.

At :12 in the video.

Jerry Rice is 6'2"

Still don't believe it?

One inch does make a difference.

hoorta

@gorka said:

At :12 in the video.

Jerry Rice is 6'2"

Still don't believe it?

OK, I believe !!!! But that doesn't mean Baker can't succeed because he's only 6'0"....

Gorka

An interesting read:

Does QB Height Matter In The NFL? | The Draft Network

No shot to Russell Wilson, but is it a coincidence that as soon as he leaves the game we see the offense operate on script, with TEs leaking through the MOF? Beautiful drive from Geno

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This has been evident with Wilson and others for years, as typically shorter QBs do tend to throw fewer balls over the middle portions of the field. It doesn’t mean they’re necessarily worse at throwing them, it just means that they throw less of them because it’s harder to create windows for them to see. In the grand scheme of things, it’s not a big deal if you can throw a brilliant deep ball and achieve success in other areas—as Wilson does—but it certainly restricts your passing offense and certain play designs if a short QB just isn’t willing to be overly aggressive.

Height doesn’t seem to have any effect on the percentages until they dip below the 6-foot-2 (or 1.88 meters). It’s at that point where it becomes nearly impossible to be able to use the middle portion of the field at an above-average level (Murray is sort of an exception).

That second point is particularly interesting, as 6-foot-2 is generally the benchmark used to discuss QB height in the draft scouting process. I’ve always thought of that ‘old-fashioned’ mark to be entirely arbitrary—why not 6-foot-1 or 6-foot-3? Well, it might just be luck, or it might show that perhaps there is a legitimate method behind the thresholds scouts use. Who knows?

What I do know is being short does significantly hurt your chances of seeing—and therefore attempting—middle of the field passes.

Orion

@hoorta said:

But that doesn't mean Baker can't succeed because he's only 6'0"....

...succeed at what? I doubt he could play the center position in basketball. Just like Myles can't be a jockey. Sometimes, there are size requirements.

Bob806 · 10:47 PM · Oct 7, 2021

@gorka said:

An interesting read:

Does QB Height Matter In The NFL? | The Draft Network

No shot to Russell Wilson, but is it a coincidence that as soon as he leaves the game we see the offense operate on script, with TEs leaking through the MOF? Beautiful drive from Geno

10:47 PM · Oct 7, 2021

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This has been evident with Wilson and others for years, as typically shorter QBs do tend to throw fewer balls over the middle portions of the field. It doesn’t mean they’re necessarily worse at throwing them, it just means that they throw less of them because it’s harder to create windows for them to see. In the grand scheme of things, it’s not a big deal if you can throw a brilliant deep ball and achieve success in other areas—as Wilson does—but it certainly restricts your passing offense and certain play designs if a short QB just isn’t willing to be overly aggressive.

Height doesn’t seem to have any effect on the percentages until they dip below the 6-foot-2 (or 1.88 meters). It’s at that point where it becomes nearly impossible to be able to use the middle portion of the field at an above-average level (Murray is sort of an exception).

That second point is particularly interesting, as 6-foot-2 is generally the benchmark used to discuss QB height in the draft scouting process. I’ve always thought of that ‘old-fashioned’ mark to be entirely arbitrary—why not 6-foot-1 or 6-foot-3? Well, it might just be luck, or it might show that perhaps there is a legitimate method behind the thresholds scouts use. Who knows?

What I do know is being short does significantly hurt your chances of seeing—and therefore attempting—middle of the field passes.

That definitely is interesting. I read something similar about QB height way back when during the draft that featured Testaverde.

Scouts were debating Vinny's skills, but the one thing they all agreed on is he was the "prototype build" at QB.

Anyhow, best of luck to Mayfield on his rehab/recovery. One of the most interesting off seasons in Browns recent history right now, hope Berry & company get the ship righted.

Bob806

@gumby73 said:

what'd I miss ?

? sending her your way

I'm no wine expert, but I'd like to meet up with her & down some sangria or Mad Dog lol.