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  • @browns149 said:

    That is what the NBA does and it hasn’t stopped tanking 

    The NBA has only 8 teams in that lottery (as I recall.  I no longer follow the NBA).  dusty's suggestion puts 18 teams in that mix.  That is a huge difference.  You have the same odds of picking 18th as you do 1st.  

    @orion said:

    The NBA has only 8 teams in that lottery (as I recall.  I no longer follow the NBA).  dusty's suggestion puts 18 teams in that mix.  That is a huge difference.  You have the same odds of picking 18th as you do 1st.  

    There are 14 teams in the NBA lottery. And it is a weighted system. The worst 4 teams have the same odds of getting the 1st pick

    And teams still tank

  • @orion said:

    The NBA has only 8 teams in that lottery (as I recall.  I no longer follow the NBA).  dusty's suggestion puts 18 teams in that mix.  That is a huge difference.  You have the same odds of picking 18th as you do 1st.  

    There are 14 teams in the NBA lottery. And it is a weighted system. The worst 4 teams have the same odds of getting the 1st pick

    And teams still tank

    @browns149 said:

    There are 14 teams in the NBA lottery. And it is a weighted system. The worst 4 teams have the same odds of getting the 1st pick

    And teams still tank

    Thanks!  14 teams in the nba (like I said, I gave up on bball  -  Knicks fan...Walt Frazier is who I modeled my game after.  I was quite good at bball)

    ...anywho, so you've got to do away with the weighting.  All incentive to finish with the worst record must be removed.  If you miss the playoffs, you're all equal.  And it's because yaz just don't wanna play nice.  -  I used to tell my crew when a silly company policy would be brought up, "Counter to popular opinion, they don't stay up late at nights trying to think of stupid rules to put in place.  Stupid rules are in place because people did stupid things."

  • Relegation...just like soccer.

  • First, to all of you who called fans who hoped we'd lose our final games once we're eliminated from the playoffs, Not True Fans.....FU.  Obviously it's a strategy in front offices.

    Now, how do ya fix it so teams won't try to make themselves lousy so they can draft towards the top of the order?

    You can't just eliminate the draft because all of the good players will want to play in glamorous locations.  

    Do you just come up with a draft order for year one....and whichever team drafts #1 will next year draft dead last and have to wait 3 decades before they rotate back up to #1 again?

    @orion said:

    First, to all of you who called fans who hoped we'd lose our final games once we're eliminated from the playoffs, Not True Fans.....FU.  Obviously it's a strategy in front offices.

    Now, how do ya fix it so teams won't try to make themselves lousy so they can draft towards the top of the order?

    You can't just eliminate the draft because all of the good players will want to play in glamorous locations.  

    Do you just come up with a draft order for year one....and whichever team drafts #1 will next year draft dead last and have to wait 3 decades before they rotate back up to #1 again?

    The NBA went to a draft lottery to combat tanking.  I would suspect the NFL might do the same.

    It's hard to prove out and out tanking, so a lottery makes sense.

  • Morality cannot be legislated. 

  • A AP1

    Morality cannot be legislated. 

    @ap1 said:

    Morality cannot be legislated. 

    IMO, morality is why you must legislate. (if heinous of enough)  This is a loophole that has to be closed up.   

  • Hit em the pocket books....produce a winner or you lose your ownership.  Pirates of MLB need that.  Another thought...your share of the tv money is based on where your team finishes or maybe you dont get your merch cut.

  • A AP1

    Morality cannot be legislated. 

    @ap1 said:

    Morality cannot be legislated. 

    True, but lack of can.

  • Relegation...just like soccer.

    @kvoethe said:

    Relegation...just like soccer.

    Interesting concept.  IMO the problem would be having enough quality teams in the 'lower league" to move up.  I suppose in some ways the NFL already has that with playoffs teams and non-playoff teams.

  • @kvoethe said:

    Relegation...just like soccer.

    Interesting concept.  IMO the problem would be having enough quality teams in the 'lower league" to move up.  I suppose in some ways the NFL already has that with playoffs teams and non-playoff teams.

    @ballpeen said:

    Interesting concept.  IMO the problem would be having enough quality teams in the 'lower league" to move up.  I suppose in some ways the NFL already has that with playoffs teams and non-playoff teams.

    Relegate the owners lol.

  • Let's use this season as an example.  We were eliminated from the playoffs with the Steelers & Bengals left to play.  Now, there's no way that a die-hard Browns fan (of which we on message boards are) wants to entertain the thought of losing to either of those rivals.  However, that same Browns fan knows that winning those two games do not help our draft position, which could make our team better in the long run.  And you know the GM (Berry) was privately hoping  the team would lose the games and move him up that draft board.  So, theoretically, we could've tanked the last couple of games to improve our draft spot.  But if dusty's suggestion is adopted then there is never an advantage in tanking.

  • @ballpeen said:

    Interesting concept.  IMO the problem would be having enough quality teams in the 'lower league" to move up.  I suppose in some ways the NFL already has that with playoffs teams and non-playoff teams.

    Relegate the owners lol.

    @kvoethe said:

    Relegate the owners lol.

    Maybe...in the end, there is probably a pretty small list of people who could buy a team.  In the end, by and large I don't think owners really make that much of a difference in the overall scope of things.  That doesn't mean there aren't good owners and "bad" owners.  In the end, I don't see the "bad" owners hiring a head football coach from their high school to head up the team. To me it comes down to "culture", but IMO that is hard to measure.

  • @kvoethe said:

    Relegate the owners lol.

    Maybe...in the end, there is probably a pretty small list of people who could buy a team.  In the end, by and large I don't think owners really make that much of a difference in the overall scope of things.  That doesn't mean there aren't good owners and "bad" owners.  In the end, I don't see the "bad" owners hiring a head football coach from their high school to head up the team. To me it comes down to "culture", but IMO that is hard to measure.

    @ballpeen said:

    by and large I don't think owners really make that much of a difference

    But they can have an impact.  Let's take our owner, he constantly hired the wrong people.  And he meddled into the football people's jobs.  Our owner and his hiring of lousy people kept us down for almost all of this century.

  • If a team owner or any member of a NFL team suggests losing games on purpose (tanking) should be fired. If a team feels they need to lose more games to get a better draft pick for the following season is just plain stupid. There is no absolute sure bet that a draft pick at any position is going to change your team . There have been very highly rookie players with star status and what happens, he flops. The team is stuck with a hefty contract due to the player, and he aint earned it. So im thinking if a team tanks on purpose, then your a loser from top to bottom.

  • If a team owner or any member of a NFL team suggests losing games on purpose (tanking) should be fired. If a team feels they need to lose more games to get a better draft pick for the following season is just plain stupid. There is no absolute sure bet that a draft pick at any position is going to change your team . There have been very highly rookie players with star status and what happens, he flops. The team is stuck with a hefty contract due to the player, and he aint earned it. So im thinking if a team tanks on purpose, then your a loser from top to bottom.

    @brownsfaninpa said:

     The team is stuck with a hefty contract due to the player, and he aint earned it. 

    Since the advent of the rookie pay tier system, that hasn't been an issue. 

    That was 2011...  you're literally over a decade behind when discussing rookie deals.

  • @brownsfaninpa said:

     The team is stuck with a hefty contract due to the player, and he aint earned it. 

    Since the advent of the rookie pay tier system, that hasn't been an issue. 

    That was 2011...  you're literally over a decade behind when discussing rookie deals.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Since the advent of the rookie pay tier system, that hasn't been an issue.

    Sam Bradford was the last guy to get a whopper contract right out of college.