Don't Visit Tennessee Any Time Soon (potentially)

MLD Woody

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tennessee-bill-designate-gun-owners-law-enforcement/story?id=82757071

Curious, does anyone here support this?

Westside Steve

@mld-woody said:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tennessee-bill-designate-gun-owners-law-enforcement/story?id=82757071

Curious, does anyone here support this?

"As introduced, expands the definition of 'law enforcement officer' to include a person who has been issued an enhanced handgun carry permit; provided, that the permit is not suspended, revoked, or expired, for purposes of authority to carry a firearm under certain circumstances," the summary for the bill reads on the Tennessee General Assembly website."

the term enhanced regarding the permit would make me think it would be something akin to security guards? In which case it doesn't sound particularly outrageous. Does it to you?

WSS

Gorka

@westside-steve said:

"As introduced, expands the definition of 'law enforcement officer' to include a person who has been issued an enhanced handgun carry permit; provided, that the permit is not suspended, revoked, or expired, for purposes of authority to carry a firearm under certain circumstances," the summary for the bill reads on the Tennessee General Assembly website."

the term enhanced regarding the permit would make me think it would be something akin to security guards? In which case it doesn't sound particularly outrageous. Does it to you?

WSS

Yes, appears to be either an 8-hr. course, or if you possess one of the following:

https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/safety/documents/handgun/EHCPTrainingRequirements.pdf

Enhanced Handgun Carry Permit:

To be eligible for the enhanced carry permit, Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1351(e) requires applicants to complete “handgun safety course” approved by the Department of Safety that includes “both classroom hours and firing range hours” (exceptions made for certain law enforcement and military personnel). The specific contents of the course are regulated by the Department of Safety.

FairHooker11

@westside-steve said:

"As introduced, expands the definition of 'law enforcement officer' to include a person who has been issued an enhanced handgun carry permit; provided, that the permit is not suspended, revoked, or expired, for purposes of authority to carry a firearm under certain circumstances," the summary for the bill reads on the Tennessee General Assembly website."

the term enhanced regarding the permit would make me think it would be something akin to security guards? In which case it doesn't sound particularly outrageous. Does it to you?

WSS

perhaps off duty and "retired" law enforcement?

Lord knows there are alot of them now...

DieHardBrownsFan

@mld-woody said:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tennessee-bill-designate-gun-owners-law-enforcement/story?id=82757071

Curious, does anyone here support this?

An 8 hour course doesn't qualify you to be law enforcement. I highly doubt this will get passed.

Gorka

@mld-woody said:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tennessee-bill-designate-gun-owners-law-enforcement/story?id=82757071

Curious, does anyone here support this?

LOl...hell no!

Your over-the-top thread title implies Tennesse will turn into a war zone. Cancelling my trip to Nashville in April.

Being serious, an 8 hr. course is not sufficient IMO.

Westside Steve

@gorka said:

LOl...hell no!

Your thread title implies Tennesse will turn into a war zone. Cancelling my trip to Nashville in April

Let's face it NBC is no less prone to hyperbolic headlines than red-state or ammoland.

WSS

@diehardbrownsfan said:

An 8 hour course doesn't qualify you to be law enforcement. I highly doubt this will get passed.

That's true. I wonder how much training you need to carry as a security guard?

https://www.securityguardtraininghq.com/armed-security-guard-training-ohio/#:~:text=Ohio Firearms Training Requirements&text=Yearly qualifying is also required,identification card when on duty.

WSS

MLD Woody

@westside-steve said:

"As introduced, expands the definition of 'law enforcement officer' to include a person who has been issued an enhanced handgun carry permit; provided, that the permit is not suspended, revoked, or expired, for purposes of authority to carry a firearm under certain circumstances," the summary for the bill reads on the Tennessee General Assembly website."

the term enhanced regarding the permit would make me think it would be something akin to security guards? In which case it doesn't sound particularly outrageous. Does it to you?

WSS

Oh Steve, you must be new to America and guns.

The article I linked states there are almost 700,000 enhanced carry permits in Tennessee.

There are only about 16,000 cops in Tennessee, who are, btw, against this bill.

And all you have to do to get one is pay $100 and take an 8 hour training course (which is waived of you're ex military, security guard, etc ). (It's even less training to get a concealed permit btw)

I'm going to go out on limb and say there's a little more training involved in being a cop (which is still arguably not enough training).

The "enhanced" permit was added in 2020. I would be surprised if part of the naming was to make people think it was harder to get, more training involved.... Fyi, exactly what you thought.

MLD Woody

@westside-steve said:

Let's face it NBC is no less prone to hyperbolic headlines than red-state or ammoland.

WSS

You really love these false equivalencies, huh? I mean I know you do, but your statement above is hilarious. Equating NBC (this link was ABC btw) to red state and ammo land. Ha. Right.

If 1 is super liberal and 10 is super conservative, a 4 isn't equally biased as a 9... But this board surrounds themselves with 8+s so it's not a surprise.

Also, the thread title is mine. Not ABCs.

MLD Woody

Somewhat relieving to see some common sense posts in this thread...

Westside Steve

@mld-woody said:

You really love these false equivalencies, huh? I mean I know you do, but your statement above is hilarious. Equating NBC (this link was ABC btw) to red state and ammo land. Ha. Right.

If 1 is super liberal and 10 is super conservative, a 4 isn't equally biased as a 9... But this board surrounds themselves with 8+s so it's not a surprise.

Also, the thread title is mine. Not ABCs.

So it's you trying to outdo red state with hyperbolic headlines. Got it. Not that you give a f*** about the topic but still...

as far has two responses it seems you're the only one triggered. It's not a wild story.

WSS

MLD Woody

@westside-steve said:

So it's you trying to outdo red state with hyperbolic headlines. Got it. Not that you give a f*** about the topic but still...

WSS

And we see you just continuing to drive the thread to some place completely different... Shocker. Thank god there's only a month or so of this.

700k people running around Tennessee being considered law enforcement because they did a one day class on handguns makes me want to visit Tennessee less. That's my thread title.

If you want to focus on that and not the actual content of the article (which it's clear you didn't even skim by your first post), then you're missing the point.

It was interesting seeing you believe "enhanced" actually meant something. Good case study for what I'm pretty sure they were going for.

Westside Steve

@mld-woody said:

And we see you just continuing to drive the thread to some place completely different... Shocker. Thank god there's only a month or so of this.

700k people running around Tennessee being considered law enforcement because they did a one day class on handguns makes me want to visit Tennessee less. That's my thread title.

If you want to focus on that and not the actual content of the article (which it's clear you didn't even skim by your first post), then you're missing the point.

It was interesting seeing you believe "enhanced" actually meant something. Good case study for what I'm pretty sure they were going for.

Dude you want almost everybody stripped of their hand guns we get it. If you think most or a large percentage of those people would be not stable then I guess that's the reason for your opinion. I made sure they're from Tennessee and they might believe in God or something crazy. I can certainly see why there could be a problem somewhere but rationally questioning something isn't your intention.

WSS

MLD Woody

@westside-steve said:

Dude you want almost everybody stripped of their hand guns we get it. If you think most or a large percentage of those people would be not stable then I guess that's the reason for your opinion. I made sure they're from Tennessee and they might believe in God or something crazy. I can certainly see why there could be a problem somewhere but rationally questioning something isn't your intention.

WSS

Holy fuck you're annoying man. Not once in here did I say anything about stripping people of hand guns, anything about religion, etc.

This isn't about people owning guns. This is about considering almost 700,000 people in Tennessee as law enforcement because they (maybe) took an eight hour course.

Do you think all of those people should be considered law enforcement? Pretty simple question.

Hell, even other right wing posters have used common sense and said this was a bad idea. You seemed more concerned about your typical Steve routine and attempting to dunk on me, and failing.

Axe

The last time I was in Tenn it was not uncommon to see open carry people.

mjp28

@mld-woody said:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tennessee-bill-designate-gun-owners-law-enforcement/story?id=82757071

Curious, does anyone here support this?

........ (from the article) Although the legislation doesn't yet have any hearings scheduled and the assembly version has only one co-sponsor, it's already getting pushback, including from a police union who says it could ultimately lead to more gun violence.

Jonathan Gold, a Michigan-based firearms instructor and member of the non-profit Giffords Gun Owners for Safety, told ABC News the bill would encourage more vigilantism that would ultimately lead to more harm.

"I don't understand our regression to the old West, because this is what it feels like," he told ABC News. "I've studied the old West, and I don't think anyone wants to go back to the murder rate of Tombstone.".........

This just smells like a bad idea.

I've been shooting and owning guns for about 60 years now since I first started shooting my dad's .22 Springfield rifle when I was 11 years old. I'm for proper training and even more for anyone to walk around with a gun in their pants.

This push to let anyone with minimal amount of training is just bad idea.

mjp28

@axe said:

The last time I was in Tenn it was not uncommon to see open carry people.

I believe open carry is allowed almost anywhere including Ohio and Tennessee.

DieHardBrownsFan

@westside-steve said:

Let's face it NBC is no less prone to hyperbolic headlines than red-state or ammoland.

WSS

That's true. I wonder how much training you need to carry as a security guard?

https://www.securityguardtraininghq.com/armed-security-guard-training-ohio/#:~:text=Ohio Firearms Training Requirements&text=Yearly qualifying is also required,identification card when on duty.

WSS

Security guards (armed) do not have LE powers. Purely for defensive purposes.

Vambo

@mld-woody said:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tennessee-bill-designate-gun-owners-law-enforcement/story?id=82757071

Curious, does anyone here support this?

I try to sleep, they're wide awake, they won't let me alone
They don't get paid to take vacations or let me alone
They spy on me, I try to hide, they won't let me alone
They persecute me, they're the judge and jury all in one

Cause they're waiting for me
They're looking for me
Every single night they're driving me insane
Those men inside my brain

Westside Steve

@mld-woody said:

Holy fuck you're annoying man. Not once in here did I say anything about stripping people of hand guns, anything about religion, etc.

This isn't about people owning guns. This is about considering almost 700,000 people in Tennessee as law enforcement because they (maybe) took an eight hour course.

Do you think all of those people should be considered law enforcement? Pretty simple question.

Hell, even other right wing posters have used common sense and said this was a bad idea. You seemed more concerned about your typical Steve routine and attempting to dunk on me, and failing.

Simmer down angry boy.

"When a felony has been committed, or there is reasonable ground to believe that a felony has been committed, any person without a warrant may arrest another whom he has reasonable cause to believe is guilty of the offense, and detain him until a warrant can be obtained."

so yes I suppose everyone that achieves the requirements necessary should and could be considered law enforcement. The above is the citizen's arrest statute. So we are already. I realize it doesn't fit into your plan of disarming everyone. No doubt it will pass and Tennessee will become the Wild West.

of course since you're unable to think for yourself using all or every is stupider than ever.

WSS