Don't Visit Tennessee Any Time Soon (potentially)
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So it's you trying to outdo red state with hyperbolic headlines. Got it. Not that you give a f*** about the topic but still...
WSS
And we see you just continuing to drive the thread to some place completely different... Shocker. Thank god there's only a month or so of this.
700k people running around Tennessee being considered law enforcement because they did a one day class on handguns makes me want to visit Tennessee less. That's my thread title.
If you want to focus on that and not the actual content of the article (which it's clear you didn't even skim by your first post), then you're missing the point.
It was interesting seeing you believe "enhanced" actually meant something. Good case study for what I'm pretty sure they were going for.
700k people running around Tennessee being considered law enforcement because they did a one day class on handguns makes me want to visit Tennessee less. That's my thread title.
I think it would be a hell of a lot safer visiting Tennessee than Chicago.
After all Black Lives Matter…just not in Chicago.
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Simmer down angry boy.
"When a felony has been committed, or there is reasonable ground to believe that a felony has been committed, any person without a warrant may arrest another whom he has reasonable cause to believe is guilty of the offense, and detain him until a warrant can be obtained."
so yes I suppose everyone that achieves the requirements necessary should and could be considered law enforcement. The above is the citizen's arrest statute. So we are already. I realize it doesn't fit into your plan of disarming everyone. No doubt it will pass and Tennessee will become the Wild West.
of course since you're unable to think for yourself using all or every is stupider than ever.
WSS
Alright Steve, I'm out. If other posters on here can reasonably say this is a bad idea, but you're just digging your typical Steve hole, doing anything you can to try an insult me, it's just not worth it.
This has literally nothing to do with citizens arrest. It has nothing to do with disarming people. It has nothing to do with religion.
You're shotgun approach at vomiting unrelated topics into a post isn't accomplishing anything or moving any conversation forward.
You may now return to your regularly scheduled circle jerk on this board. It's clear, based on what threads actually get replies, the echo chamber is boring...
Peace
(I'll give you a Cookie if you can manage to not reply to this. You've never been able to stop yourself, literally ever, but just see if you can here ...)
Alright Steve, I'm out. If other posters on here can reasonably say this is a bad idea, but you're just digging your typical Steve hole,
Lol, you're delighted that for the first time everyone seems to agree with your view on a topic and along comes Steve to rain on your parade..
What a shame.
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Anybody that has a gun and approaches me telling me that they are a police officer that are not in uniform or not holding a badge is getting blasted no matter what state I'm in. Hell, anybody approaching me with a gun that I feel threatens my life is getting blasted.
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So it's you trying to outdo red state with hyperbolic headlines. Got it. Not that you give a f*** about the topic but still...
WSS
And we see you just continuing to drive the thread to some place completely different... Shocker. Thank god there's only a month or so of this.
700k people running around Tennessee being considered law enforcement because they did a one day class on handguns makes me want to visit Tennessee less. That's my thread title.
If you want to focus on that and not the actual content of the article (which it's clear you didn't even skim by your first post), then you're missing the point.
It was interesting seeing you believe "enhanced" actually meant something. Good case study for what I'm pretty sure they were going for.
700k people running around Tennessee being considered law enforcement because they did a one day class on handguns makes me want to visit Tennessee less. That's my thread title.
No. The article does say that the 700k possess enhanced permits, but the bill hasn't passed yet.
I bet these 700k have the enhanced permits most likely obtained by qualifying through one of these criteria in the link below:
This 8 hr. course is for everyone else wanting an enhanced permit if the bill passes.
https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/safety/documents/handgun/EHCPTrainingRequirements.pdf
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I have a golf trip scheduled for this spring in Nashville; I'm not too concerned about constitutional carry people.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
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I have a golf trip scheduled for this spring in Nashville; I'm not too concerned about constitutional carry people.
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700k people running around Tennessee being considered law enforcement because they did a one day class on handguns makes me want to visit Tennessee less. That's my thread title.
No. The article does say that the 700k possess enhanced permits, but the bill hasn't passed yet.
I bet these 700k have the enhanced permits most likely obtained by qualifying through one of these criteria in the link below:
This 8 hr. course is for everyone else wanting an enhanced permit if the bill passes.
https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/safety/documents/handgun/EHCPTrainingRequirements.pdf
No. The article does say that the 700k possess enhanced permits, but the bill hasn't passed yet.
I bet these 700k have the enhanced permits most likely obtained by qualifying through one of these criteria in the link below:
This 8 hr. course is for everyone else wanting an enhanced permit if the bill passes.
https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/safety/documents/handgun/EHCPTrainingRequirements.pdf
Right, I realize it hasn't passed. I'm speaking to the ridiculousness of the proposed bill. Eight hours on hand gun safety is no where near enough for someone to be considered "law enforcement".
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Anybody that has a gun and approaches me telling me that they are a police officer that are not in uniform or not holding a badge is getting blasted no matter what state I'm in. Hell, anybody approaching me with a gun that I feel threatens my life is getting blasted.
Anybody that has a gun and approaches me telling me that they are a police officer that are not in uniform or not holding a badge is getting blasted no matter what state I'm in. Hell, anybody approaching me with a gun that I feel threatens my life is getting blasted.
Yee haw
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I have a golf trip scheduled for this spring in Nashville; I'm not too concerned about constitutional carry people.
I have a golf trip scheduled for this spring in Nashville; I'm not too concerned about constitutional carry people.
The law is gonna be so damn enforced.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
No. The article does say that the 700k possess enhanced permits, but the bill hasn't passed yet.
I bet these 700k have the enhanced permits most likely obtained by qualifying through one of these criteria in the link below:
This 8 hr. course is for everyone else wanting an enhanced permit if the bill passes.
https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/safety/documents/handgun/EHCPTrainingRequirements.pdf
Right, I realize it hasn't passed. I'm speaking to the ridiculousness of the proposed bill. Eight hours on hand gun safety is no where near enough for someone to be considered "law enforcement".
Right, I realize it hasn't passed. I'm speaking to the ridiculousness of the proposed bill. Eight hours on hand gun safety is no where near enough for someone to be considered "law enforcement".
How much training do Congress need to be able to write the laws? AOC for example?
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Yee haw
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The law is gonna be so damn enforced.
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Yee haw
I've already had somebody in my lifetime pull up behind me, flash their high beams, and try to pull me over. I didn't know what he wanted at the time so I pulled off to see what he wanted, thought maybe he needed help. He pulled up beside me and started asking me questions like he was a cop. He had no red or blue lights or a uniform or badge. I drove away and called the police.
Imagine if he had a gun and pointed it at me and tried to arrest me for no reason. Of course I would shoot him, anyone would.
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"As introduced, expands the definition of 'law enforcement officer' to include a person who has been issued an enhanced handgun carry permit; provided, that the permit is not suspended, revoked, or expired, for purposes of authority to carry a firearm under certain circumstances," the summary for the bill reads on the Tennessee General Assembly website."
the term enhanced regarding the permit would make me think it would be something akin to security guards? In which case it doesn't sound particularly outrageous. Does it to you?
WSS
Oh Steve, you must be new to America and guns.
The article I linked states there are almost 700,000 enhanced carry permits in Tennessee.
There are only about 16,000 cops in Tennessee, who are, btw, against this bill.
And all you have to do to get one is pay $100 and take an 8 hour training course (which is waived of you're ex military, security guard, etc ). (It's even less training to get a concealed permit btw)
I'm going to go out on limb and say there's a little more training involved in being a cop (which is still arguably not enough training).
The "enhanced" permit was added in 2020. I would be surprised if part of the naming was to make people think it was harder to get, more training involved.... Fyi, exactly what you thought.
Oh Steve, you must be new to America and guns.
The article I linked states there are almost 700,000 enhanced carry permits in Tennessee.
There are only about 16,000 cops in Tennessee, who are, btw, against this bill.
And all you have to do to get one is pay $100 and take an 8 hour training course (which is waived of you're ex military, security guard, etc ). (It's even less training to get a concealed permit btw)
I'm going to go out on limb and say there's a little more training involved in being a cop (which is still arguably not enough training).
The "enhanced" permit was added in 2020. I would be surprised if part of the naming was to make people think it was harder to get, more training involved.... Fyi, exactly what you thought.
I know I won't change your mind or make you any more rational but I just thought I would leave you with this one idea. This is part of your MO. You get angry if anybody, especially me, doesn't agree with you one hundred percent in whatever petty outrage you post. And let's be clear the stuff you post on your own is never much of a problem. You get angry because other people are us versus them but you're the worst of the bunch. If we are to agree that there's a dark side to the gun culture in the United States we should at least be able to agree that the worst part of it doesn't have very much to do with people in Tennessee having licenses or extended training or assisting in law enforcement. As a matter of fact anybody with that extended permit is registered. So that's a step in the right direction isn't it oh, at least for you?
So at the end of the day I don't think this issue even if it passes which it probably won't is going to lead substantially to the numbers of people killed illegally with handguns. And probably not at all. And maybe less. Personally I'd like to see a longer and more stringent training period.
And if it does pass I don't think anybody on the board besides you possibly, would take steps to avoid visiting Tennessee.
WSS
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Yee haw
I've already had somebody in my lifetime pull up behind me, flash their high beams, and try to pull me over. I didn't know what he wanted at the time so I pulled off to see what he wanted, thought maybe he needed help. He pulled up beside me and started asking me questions like he was a cop. He had no red or blue lights or a uniform or badge. I drove away and called the police.
Imagine if he had a gun and pointed it at me and tried to arrest me for no reason. Of course I would shoot him, anyone would.
I've already had somebody in my lifetime pull up behind me, flash their high beams, and try to pull me over. I didn't know what he wanted at the time so I pulled off to see what he wanted, thought maybe he needed help. He pulled up beside me and started asking me questions like he was a cop. He had no red or blue lights or a uniform or badge. I drove away and called the police.
Imagine if he had a gun and pointed it at me and tried to arrest me for no reason. Of course I would shoot him, anyone would.
Of course that really doesn't apply to the proposal. But I would imagine a decent attorney could have cleared you in that exact situation. But yes someone using a handgun to intimidate somebody for no reason is putting himself at risk. Anybody participating in this program should reasonably be expected to have their s*** together better than to try something like that. Agreed. Regardless of whether he's just some jerk off with a gun or an actual police officer who draws his weapon on you merely for the reason of harassing you. Right?
WSS
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I still think the point of the possible bill that hasn't even had hearings yet....
is to make a point.
Defunding the police - look up "citizen helps police in trouble".
Assaults on police are skyrocketing - this possible law is probably to
protect those who respond to cries of help by police, male or female.
Protection from frivolous fake lawsuits would be one.
There are plenty of corrupt people who try to "win the lottery" with a
fake lawsuit via false claims. 5.6 BILLION ?
The False Claims Act - United States Department of Justice
Many Fraud Section investigations and lawsuits arise from such qui tam actions. The Department of Justice obtained more than $5.6 billion in settlements and judgments from civil cases involving fraud and false claims against the government in the fiscal year ending Sept. 30, 2021. -
No. The article does say that the 700k possess enhanced permits, but the bill hasn't passed yet.
I bet these 700k have the enhanced permits most likely obtained by qualifying through one of these criteria in the link below:
This 8 hr. course is for everyone else wanting an enhanced permit if the bill passes.
https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/safety/documents/handgun/EHCPTrainingRequirements.pdf
Right, I realize it hasn't passed. I'm speaking to the ridiculousness of the proposed bill. Eight hours on hand gun safety is no where near enough for someone to be considered "law enforcement".
Right, I realize it hasn't passed. I'm speaking to the ridiculousness of the proposed bill. Eight hours on hand gun safety is no where near enough for someone to be considered "law enforcement".
Yes, I understand, and I agree with your take.
But you have to understand that you had again alluded to the 700K mentioned in the article by saying:
700k people running around Tennessee being considered law enforcement because they did a one day class on handguns makes me want to visit Tennessee less.
These 700k mentioned in the article with enhanced permits did not just complete a one day class. These are former military, Department of Corrections, POST personnel etc., whose training is lengthier and more in-depth.
Going forward will be instituted this one day class for those desiring an enhanced permit.
Had you used "tens of thousands", rather than 700K, then there would have been no ambiguity.
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Right, I realize it hasn't passed. I'm speaking to the ridiculousness of the proposed bill. Eight hours on hand gun safety is no where near enough for someone to be considered "law enforcement".
Yes, I understand, and I agree with your take.
But you have to understand that you had again alluded to the 700K mentioned in the article by saying:
700k people running around Tennessee being considered law enforcement because they did a one day class on handguns makes me want to visit Tennessee less.
These 700k mentioned in the article with enhanced permits did not just complete a one day class. These are former military, Department of Corrections, POST personnel etc., whose training is lengthier and more in-depth.
Going forward will be instituted this one day class for those desiring an enhanced permit.
Had you used "tens of thousands", rather than 700K, then there would have been no ambiguity.
Yes, I understand, and I agree with your take.
But you have to understand that you had again alluded to the 700K mentioned in the article by saying:
700k people running around Tennessee being considered law enforcement because they did a one day class on handguns makes me want to visit Tennessee less.
These 700k mentioned in the article with enhanced permits did not just complete a one day class. These are former military, Department of Corrections, POST personnel etc., whose training is lengthier and more in-depth.
Going forward will be instituted this one day class for those desiring an enhanced permit.
Had you used "tens of thousands", rather than 700K, then there would have been no ambiguity.
Excellent point, and background checks - every single concealed carry license requires them. It would have to be dire, serious circumstances for me, as a voting member of the Tenn. gov, to vote for that bill.
But as to Gorka's point - the ability, in a serious crisis - to protect some retired police, military, etc and giving them the ability to HELP without frivolous lawsuits...isn't some glaring crackpot idea.
Personally, I wouldn't get a license like that - unless the SHTF, I suppose - but if I was the sheriff of a city in Tenn. and my friend who was special forces back in the service - it would be great to get him that extended license to have his help - but it still seems far fetched. I rather think that the point of the "bill" is to make a point.
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