Don't Visit Tennessee Any Time Soon (potentially)
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I still think the point of the possible bill that hasn't even had hearings yet....
is to make a point.
Defunding the police - look up "citizen helps police in trouble".
Assaults on police are skyrocketing - this possible law is probably to
protect those who respond to cries of help by police, male or female.
Protection from frivolous fake lawsuits would be one.
There are plenty of corrupt people who try to "win the lottery" with a
fake lawsuit via false claims. 5.6 BILLION ?
The False Claims Act - United States Department of Justice
Many Fraud Section investigations and lawsuits arise from such qui tam actions. The Department of Justice obtained more than $5.6 billion in settlements and judgments from civil cases involving fraud and false claims against the government in the fiscal year ending Sept. 30, 2021. -
No. The article does say that the 700k possess enhanced permits, but the bill hasn't passed yet.
I bet these 700k have the enhanced permits most likely obtained by qualifying through one of these criteria in the link below:
This 8 hr. course is for everyone else wanting an enhanced permit if the bill passes.
https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/safety/documents/handgun/EHCPTrainingRequirements.pdf
Right, I realize it hasn't passed. I'm speaking to the ridiculousness of the proposed bill. Eight hours on hand gun safety is no where near enough for someone to be considered "law enforcement".
Right, I realize it hasn't passed. I'm speaking to the ridiculousness of the proposed bill. Eight hours on hand gun safety is no where near enough for someone to be considered "law enforcement".
Yes, I understand, and I agree with your take.
But you have to understand that you had again alluded to the 700K mentioned in the article by saying:
700k people running around Tennessee being considered law enforcement because they did a one day class on handguns makes me want to visit Tennessee less.
These 700k mentioned in the article with enhanced permits did not just complete a one day class. These are former military, Department of Corrections, POST personnel etc., whose training is lengthier and more in-depth.
Going forward will be instituted this one day class for those desiring an enhanced permit.
Had you used "tens of thousands", rather than 700K, then there would have been no ambiguity.
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Right, I realize it hasn't passed. I'm speaking to the ridiculousness of the proposed bill. Eight hours on hand gun safety is no where near enough for someone to be considered "law enforcement".
Yes, I understand, and I agree with your take.
But you have to understand that you had again alluded to the 700K mentioned in the article by saying:
700k people running around Tennessee being considered law enforcement because they did a one day class on handguns makes me want to visit Tennessee less.
These 700k mentioned in the article with enhanced permits did not just complete a one day class. These are former military, Department of Corrections, POST personnel etc., whose training is lengthier and more in-depth.
Going forward will be instituted this one day class for those desiring an enhanced permit.
Had you used "tens of thousands", rather than 700K, then there would have been no ambiguity.
Yes, I understand, and I agree with your take.
But you have to understand that you had again alluded to the 700K mentioned in the article by saying:
700k people running around Tennessee being considered law enforcement because they did a one day class on handguns makes me want to visit Tennessee less.
These 700k mentioned in the article with enhanced permits did not just complete a one day class. These are former military, Department of Corrections, POST personnel etc., whose training is lengthier and more in-depth.
Going forward will be instituted this one day class for those desiring an enhanced permit.
Had you used "tens of thousands", rather than 700K, then there would have been no ambiguity.
Excellent point, and background checks - every single concealed carry license requires them. It would have to be dire, serious circumstances for me, as a voting member of the Tenn. gov, to vote for that bill.
But as to Gorka's point - the ability, in a serious crisis - to protect some retired police, military, etc and giving them the ability to HELP without frivolous lawsuits...isn't some glaring crackpot idea.
Personally, I wouldn't get a license like that - unless the SHTF, I suppose - but if I was the sheriff of a city in Tenn. and my friend who was special forces back in the service - it would be great to get him that extended license to have his help - but it still seems far fetched. I rather think that the point of the "bill" is to make a point.
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Yes, I understand, and I agree with your take.
But you have to understand that you had again alluded to the 700K mentioned in the article by saying:
700k people running around Tennessee being considered law enforcement because they did a one day class on handguns makes me want to visit Tennessee less.
These 700k mentioned in the article with enhanced permits did not just complete a one day class. These are former military, Department of Corrections, POST personnel etc., whose training is lengthier and more in-depth.
Going forward will be instituted this one day class for those desiring an enhanced permit.
Had you used "tens of thousands", rather than 700K, then there would have been no ambiguity.
Excellent point, and background checks - every single concealed carry license requires them. It would have to be dire, serious circumstances for me, as a voting member of the Tenn. gov, to vote for that bill.
But as to Gorka's point - the ability, in a serious crisis - to protect some retired police, military, etc and giving them the ability to HELP without frivolous lawsuits...isn't some glaring crackpot idea.
Personally, I wouldn't get a license like that - unless the SHTF, I suppose - but if I was the sheriff of a city in Tenn. and my friend who was special forces back in the service - it would be great to get him that extended license to have his help - but it still seems far fetched. I rather think that the point of the "bill" is to make a point.
Excellent point, and background checks - every single concealed carry license requires them. It would have to be dire, serious circumstances for me, as a voting member of the Tenn. gov, to vote for that bill.
But as to Gorka's point - the ability, in a serious crisis - to protect some retired police, military, etc and giving them the ability to HELP without frivolous lawsuits...isn't some glaring crackpot idea.
Personally, I wouldn't get a license like that - unless the SHTF, I suppose - but if I was the sheriff of a city in Tenn. and my friend who was special forces back in the service - it would be great to get him that extended license to have his help - but it still seems far fetched. I rather think that the point of the "bill" is to make a point.
The intentions are definitely good. The issue for me is the little time that is required for training if this is a "police substitute" permit.
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Right, I realize it hasn't passed. I'm speaking to the ridiculousness of the proposed bill. Eight hours on hand gun safety is no where near enough for someone to be considered "law enforcement".
Yes, I understand, and I agree with your take.
But you have to understand that you had again alluded to the 700K mentioned in the article by saying:
700k people running around Tennessee being considered law enforcement because they did a one day class on handguns makes me want to visit Tennessee less.
These 700k mentioned in the article with enhanced permits did not just complete a one day class. These are former military, Department of Corrections, POST personnel etc., whose training is lengthier and more in-depth.
Going forward will be instituted this one day class for those desiring an enhanced permit.
Had you used "tens of thousands", rather than 700K, then there would have been no ambiguity.
Yes, I understand, and I agree with your take.
But you have to understand that you had again alluded to the 700K mentioned in the article by saying:
700k people running around Tennessee being considered law enforcement because they did a one day class on handguns makes me want to visit Tennessee less.
These 700k mentioned in the article with enhanced permits did not just complete a one day class. These are former military, Department of Corrections, POST personnel etc., whose training is lengthier and more in-depth.
Going forward will be instituted this one day class for those desiring an enhanced permit.
Had you used "tens of thousands", rather than 700K, then there would have been no ambiguity.
They aren't all former military, etc. I'm sure that's a portion, but the 700k number is just everyone with an enhanced permit. You can get an enhanced permit by taking one 8 hour course.
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Excellent point, and background checks - every single concealed carry license requires them. It would have to be dire, serious circumstances for me, as a voting member of the Tenn. gov, to vote for that bill.
But as to Gorka's point - the ability, in a serious crisis - to protect some retired police, military, etc and giving them the ability to HELP without frivolous lawsuits...isn't some glaring crackpot idea.
Personally, I wouldn't get a license like that - unless the SHTF, I suppose - but if I was the sheriff of a city in Tenn. and my friend who was special forces back in the service - it would be great to get him that extended license to have his help - but it still seems far fetched. I rather think that the point of the "bill" is to make a point.
The intentions are definitely good. The issue for me is the little time that is required for training if this is a "police substitute" permit.
The intentions are definitely good. The issue for me is the little time that is required for training if this is a "police substitute" permit.
Absolutely. Back in the day, Air Force, I was interviewed one time before I became a civilian again. I was sponsored to join OSI.
It was a tremendous honor - my commander said he had, in all his years, never had someone be nominated for OSI, not ever. He said he agreed with it - I should go and talk to them.
I would have had to re-enlist for 6 yrs, with a year and a half of training. Me with a bad knee, I was so honored, but told the Lt. Col. I didn't think my knee would make it through all that, it barely made it through basic, lol. He grinned and said for me to not sell myself short, lol, and asked me about something I did back at Keelser, which surprised me, and said they screened seriously before deciding - Truth is, I didn't want to go overseas, etc, and I planned all along to go to college and be a civilian again.
anyways, compare that to an 8 hr class - just seems 8 hrs is just worse than seriously inadequate.
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Sounds like they are giving more rights to gun owners and taking away the rights of the owners of the establishments to say who can or cannot enter their business. Does it not?
"State Sen. Joey Hensley, who introduced the state Senate version of the bill, told ABC News that the goal of the bill was to allow enhanced gun permit carriers to carry their weapons into locations where off-duty law enforcement enter, such as a store or restaurant that prohibits guns inside their business. Hensley said the bill would not allow enhanced permit holders to bring their weapons into courts or schools."
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Sounds like they are giving more rights to gun owners and taking away the rights of the owners of the establishments to say who can or cannot enter their business. Does it not?
"State Sen. Joey Hensley, who introduced the state Senate version of the bill, told ABC News that the goal of the bill was to allow enhanced gun permit carriers to carry their weapons into locations where off-duty law enforcement enter, such as a store or restaurant that prohibits guns inside their business. Hensley said the bill would not allow enhanced permit holders to bring their weapons into courts or schools."
Sounds like they are giving more rights to gun owners and taking away the rights of the owners of the establishments to say who can or cannot enter their business. Does it not?
well you understand the slippery slope involved when you start forbidding otherwise law-abiding people from entering your establishment.
WSS
"State Sen. Joey Hensley, who introduced the state Senate version of the bill, told ABC News that the goal of the bill was to allow enhanced gun permit carriers to carry their weapons into locations where off-duty law enforcement enter, such as a store or restaurant that prohibits guns inside their business. Hensley said the bill would not allow enhanced permit holders to bring their weapons into courts or schools."
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Sounds like they are giving more rights to gun owners and taking away the rights of the owners of the establishments to say who can or cannot enter their business. Does it not?
well you understand the slippery slope involved when you start forbidding otherwise law-abiding people from entering your establishment.
WSS
"State Sen. Joey Hensley, who introduced the state Senate version of the bill, told ABC News that the goal of the bill was to allow enhanced gun permit carriers to carry their weapons into locations where off-duty law enforcement enter, such as a store or restaurant that prohibits guns inside their business. Hensley said the bill would not allow enhanced permit holders to bring their weapons into courts or schools."
well you understand the slippery slope involved when you start forbidding otherwise law-abiding people from entering your establishment.
WSS
It's the same as " no shirt or shoes, no service" They aren't forbidding anyone from entering the store, as long as you're fully dressed. Same thing goes for guns, they're not denying you ownership of a gun, just own it in a locked box in your car. Or you can decide to go to another store if you don't want to leave it in the car. Both the business and the customer have the right to choose. I don't think it's right to basically tell some one I'm going to enter your business with a gun and there's nothing you can do about it.
That's like you inviting someone into your house that has a concealed gun but you don't want them wearing it in your house and they say "well, there is a law saying I don't have to take it off' You're not going to let them in are you?
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