In Defense of Deshaun
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so the league is pissed off- so what. The Browns were and are pissed when the league issues apologies on missed calls or when Josh Gordon is suspended for a year and goes to NE and on his next suspension gets docked one game…or how about getting effed with the Raiders game and COVID nonsense…but the league fixes things after they screw us. I got a tissue for Baltimore when they owe Lamar more guaranteed money. Not trying to play victim but Papa and Weiss and kiss my @$$
There's a ton of " screwing the Browns" tales for sure & I could name a half dozen or more easily.
I'm talking the "guaranteed money" they gave Watson. That's unheard of in the NFL, I'm fairly certain.
There's a ton of " screwing the Browns" tales for sure & I could name a half dozen or more easily.
I'm talking the "guaranteed money" they gave Watson. That's unheard of in the NFL, I'm fairly certain.
Papa and Weiss kind of pissed me off this morning and generally this is where my comments were coming from. And their slight on the Browns like how does it feel browns fans that you had to go down this unchartered road to bring in a franchise QB after our current QB declined to play for us.
In Papa’s case as a Giants guy I guess it is better than having Danny Dimes and Tyrod Taylor
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Why did the Browns draw up a contract that only pays a very low number in bas salary this year so as to avoid Watson having to pay or forfiet only tiny amounts in the event of a suspension? That doesn't happen when you think the NFL is going to come to the conclusion that Watson is not culpable in some way.
Why did the Browns draw up a contract that only pays a very low number in base salary this year so as to avoid Watson having to pay or forfeit only tiny amounts in the event of a suspension? That doesn't happen when you think the NFL is going to come to the conclusion that Watson is not culpable in some way.
As they say Pat... "Image is everything". If this all turn out to be this was just consensual sex in a massage parlor, we gotta show the NFL audience this doesn't look good. Should Watson get suspended for a significant number of games, (Goodell can do whatever he feels like) the hypocrisy from my POV is stunning... He didn't do diddly-do to one of the guys who pays his salary (Robert Kraft) who got charged with soliciting prostitution- and it was even on camera.
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so the league is pissed off- so what. The Browns were and are pissed when the league issues apologies on missed calls or when Josh Gordon is suspended for a year and goes to NE and on his next suspension gets docked one game…or how about getting effed with the Raiders game and COVID nonsense…but the league fixes things after they screw us. I got a tissue for Baltimore when they owe Lamar more guaranteed money. Not trying to play victim but Papa and Weiss and kiss my @$$
There's a ton of " screwing the Browns" tales for sure & I could name a half dozen or more easily.
I'm talking the "guaranteed money" they gave Watson. That's unheard of in the NFL, I'm fairly certain.
There's a ton of " screwing the Browns" tales for sure & I could name a half dozen or more easily.
I'm talking the "guaranteed money" they gave Watson. That's unheard of in the NFL, I'm fairly certain.
I'll comment on this in more detail in another thread Bob, but yeah- 'twas 2018 four (short) years ago the Vikings gave Cousins that unheard of at the time $80 million guaranteed. But if you break that down on a per year basis, Watson's $230 million is less than Rodgers $150 million. Watson is 26, Rodgers is 38. I don't have a crystal ball to predict what NFL salaries are going to look like in 2026, but I can safely predict when Directv loses Sunday Ticket after this year, there's bidders already out there (Disney) willing to double, and possibly triple (Amazon) the $$$billion a year the NFL is currently getting for the service. Do the math what that alone will do to the salary cap.
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Why did the Browns draw up a contract that only pays a very low number in base salary this year so as to avoid Watson having to pay or forfeit only tiny amounts in the event of a suspension? That doesn't happen when you think the NFL is going to come to the conclusion that Watson is not culpable in some way.
As they say Pat... "Image is everything". If this all turn out to be this was just consensual sex in a massage parlor, we gotta show the NFL audience this doesn't look good. Should Watson get suspended for a significant number of games, (Goodell can do whatever he feels like) the hypocrisy from my POV is stunning... He didn't do diddly-do to one of the guys who pays his salary (Robert Kraft) who got charged with soliciting prostitution- and it was even on camera.
As they say Pat... "Image is everything". If this all turn out to be this was just consensual sex in a massage parlor, we gotta show the NFL audience this doesn't look good. Should Watson get suspended for a significant number of games, (Goodell can do whatever he feels like) the hypocrisy from my POV is stunning... He didn't do diddly-do to one of the guys who pays his salary (Robert Kraft) who got charged with soliciting prostitution- and it was even on camera.
Back in the day it was not hidden or passed off as a massage parlor. It was the best little whorehouse in Texas in La Grange. Damn that Marvin Zindler for forcing it all underground.?
A decent private eye would try to find if a lot of their "customers" get similar "special treatment".
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Thats Haslam and Berry being desperate in my view...
Desperate? Nope. They were BOSSES. They did what they had to do to get the best QB available. For the record, at least one other team complained that they would have matched the Browns' offer. Deshaun didn't give them a chance. He actually wanted Cleveland. Contrary to the popular media mentality of belittling the Browns at every opportunity by saying he wanted nothing to do with Cleveland.
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There's a ton of " screwing the Browns" tales for sure & I could name a half dozen or more easily.
I'm talking the "guaranteed money" they gave Watson. That's unheard of in the NFL, I'm fairly certain.
Papa and Weiss kind of pissed me off this morning and generally this is where my comments were coming from. And their slight on the Browns like how does it feel browns fans that you had to go down this unchartered road to bring in a franchise QB after our current QB declined to play for us.
In Papa’s case as a Giants guy I guess it is better than having Danny Dimes and Tyrod Taylor
Papa and Weiss kind of pissed me off this morning and generally this is where my comments were coming from. And their slight on the Browns like how does it feel browns fans that you had to go down this unchartered road to bring in a franchise QB after our current QB declined to play for us. ....after the Browns told him they wanted him as the starter at the Combine
In Papa’s case as a Giants guy I guess it is better than having Danny Dimes and Tyrod Taylor
I'm sure the NFL radio team didn't add that snippett I put in above.
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As they say Pat... "Image is everything". If this all turn out to be this was just consensual sex in a massage parlor, we gotta show the NFL audience this doesn't look good. Should Watson get suspended for a significant number of games, (Goodell can do whatever he feels like) the hypocrisy from my POV is stunning... He didn't do diddly-do to one of the guys who pays his salary (Robert Kraft) who got charged with soliciting prostitution- and it was even on camera.
Back in the day it was not hidden or passed off as a massage parlor. It was the best little whorehouse in Texas in La Grange. Damn that Marvin Zindler for forcing it all underground.?
A decent private eye would try to find if a lot of their "customers" get similar "special treatment".
Back in the day it was not hidden or passed off as a massage parlor. It was the best little whorehouse in Texas in La Grange. Damn that Marvin Zindler for forcing it all underground.?
A decent private eye would try to find if a lot of their "customers" get similar "special treatment".
Hate to be graphic but how do you force someone into receiving fellatio without raping them? Jedi mind trick? He was never charged with rape.
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Back in the day it was not hidden or passed off as a massage parlor. It was the best little whorehouse in Texas in La Grange. Damn that Marvin Zindler for forcing it all underground.?
A decent private eye would try to find if a lot of their "customers" get similar "special treatment".
Hate to be graphic but how do you force someone into receiving fellatio without raping them? Jedi mind trick? He was never charged with rape.
Hate to be graphic but how do you
force someone into receiving fellatio without raping them?Jedi mind trick? He was never charged with rape.This boils down to a she said, he said argument.... And IF she got paid? That removes a lot of the well, he forced me to do it. If you go to the OP, the DA couldn't prove anyone was forced to do anything. Then there's also the attorney who's representing a lot of the women who IMHO is only in it to get a pile of cash for these women, and by extension himself.
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Hate to be graphic but how do you
force someone into receiving fellatio without raping them?Jedi mind trick? He was never charged with rape.This boils down to a she said, he said argument.... And IF she got paid? That removes a lot of the well, he forced me to do it. If you go to the OP, the DA couldn't prove anyone was forced to do anything. Then there's also the attorney who's representing a lot of the women who IMHO is only in it to get a pile of cash for these women, and by extension himself.
This boils down to a she said, he said argument.... And IF she got paid? That removes a lot of the well, he forced me to do it. If you go to the OP, the DA couldn't prove anyone was forced to do anything. Then there's also the attorney who's representing a lot of the women who IMHO is only in it to get a pile of cash for these women, and by extension himself.
The attorney who:
- Accepted donations to his mayorial campaign from, guess who, McNair, owner of the Texans
- Who lives on the same street as the McNair
- Whose wife is friends with McNair's grand daughter
- Has a reputation as an ambulance-chaser
Why did all this surface only after he requested a trade? Angry billionaire and scummy lawyer scratch each others back to punish Watson and make scummy lawyer richer? Too many coincidences to ignore.
Here's the submission to the court from Watson's attorney, make up your own minds, but he does make an excellent case pointing out all the inconsistencies in the prosecution's case:
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20619132/deshaun-watson-original-answer.pdf
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This boils down to a she said, he said argument.... And IF she got paid? That removes a lot of the well, he forced me to do it. If you go to the OP, the DA couldn't prove anyone was forced to do anything. Then there's also the attorney who's representing a lot of the women who IMHO is only in it to get a pile of cash for these women, and by extension himself.
The attorney who:
- Accepted donations to his mayorial campaign from, guess who, McNair, owner of the Texans
- Who lives on the same street as the McNair
- Whose wife is friends with McNair's grand daughter
- Has a reputation as an ambulance-chaser
Why did all this surface only after he requested a trade? Angry billionaire and scummy lawyer scratch each others back to punish Watson and make scummy lawyer richer? Too many coincidences to ignore.
Here's the submission to the court from Watson's attorney, make up your own minds, but he does make an excellent case pointing out all the inconsistencies in the prosecution's case:
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20619132/deshaun-watson-original-answer.pdf
The attorney who:
- Accepted donations to his mayorial campaign from, guess who, McNair, owner of the Texans
- Who lives on the same street as the McNair
- Whose wife is friends with McNair's grand daughter
- Has a reputation as an ambulance-chaser
Why did all this surface only after he requested a trade? Angry billionaire and scummy lawyer scratch each others back to punish Watson and make scummy lawyer richer? Too many coincidences to ignore.
Here's the submission to the court from Watson's attorney, make up your own minds, but he does make an excellent case pointing out all the inconsistencies in the prosecution's case:
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20619132/deshaun-watson-original-answer.pdf
Just what I thought. I wrote that there was some Texas oleboys shennanigans in another thread
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The attorney who:
- Accepted donations to his mayorial campaign from, guess who, McNair, owner of the Texans
- Who lives on the same street as the McNair
- Whose wife is friends with McNair's grand daughter
- Has a reputation as an ambulance-chaser
Why did all this surface only after he requested a trade? Angry billionaire and scummy lawyer scratch each others back to punish Watson and make scummy lawyer richer? Too many coincidences to ignore.
Here's the submission to the court from Watson's attorney, make up your own minds, but he does make an excellent case pointing out all the inconsistencies in the prosecution's case:
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20619132/deshaun-watson-original-answer.pdf
Just what I thought. I wrote that there was some Texas oleboys shennanigans in another thread
Just what I thought. I wrote that there was some Texas oleboys shennanigans in another thread
From the link I posted, regarding the sexual act you mentioned:
Plaintiff admittedly sought to “blackmail” Mr. Watson before she filed suit. She asked him to pay her $30,000 for “indefinite silence” because her encounter would be “embarrassing” if revealed. More importantly, when Mr. Watson’s marketing manager, Bryan Burney, asked her whether she was claiming that something happened against her will, she confirmed that everything that occurred was consensual. Finally, she told Mr. Burney that she wanted a copy of the NDA that she and Mr. Watson signed because she did not want people in her industry to know she had provided oral sex to her massage client. Evidence of her concerns is contained in Mr. Burney’s affidavit and a contemporaneous tape recording of a phone conversation.
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Yeah this is what has me miffed on the Browns end....business is business, but cutting guys to clear cap space, and devote roughly 25% of the cap to ONE guy is crazy (in my eyes), and to GUARANTEE it? Yikes, Haslam set a precedent that's going to irk other owners I bet.
Have we ever had a “franchise” QB? I know this is New territory for us.
When Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, Wilson and generally the upper echelon get paid their contract takes up a lot of the teams cap space.
Packers lost Adams, Chiefs are losing guys and will continue to have good talent cut, the Seahawks could never pay for Oline talent (they had tackle hold out and a bunch of stop gaps). The Browns will lose Ward next year. Baker hurt this team last year and this coming year by not playing like the #1 overall pick that he was…instead Joe Burrow played like it and the Bengals went to the SB.
so the league is pissed off- so what. The Browns were and are pissed when the league issues apologies on missed calls or when Josh Gordon is suspended for a year and goes to NE and on his next suspension gets docked one game…or how about getting effed with the Raiders game and COVID nonsense…but the league fixes things after they screw us. I got a tissue for Baltimore when they owe Lamar more guaranteed money. Not trying to play victim but Papa and Weiss can kiss my @$$
Baker hurt this team last year and this coming year by not playing like the #1 overall pick that he was…instead Joe Burrow played like it and the Bengals went to the SB.
Exactly this . . .
I watched cowherd’s podcast with Cabot and she talked about baker’s attitude at the SR bowl and how she asked browns brass about her concerns and they said that “that’s the attitude we’re looking for. We want the crotch grabbing, flag planting type of mf’er.” Which was a great attitude to pull the franchise out of the abyss with a bunch of less than stellar players.
Fast forward to ‘20 and Baker was never able to grow past his pride into someone who could lead a team with a bunch of players that were arguably better than him. It didn’t help that Dorsey and the brass treated him like the Jesus of qb’s and let him have so much say in the direction of the team after Hue. Then the new regime took over and he no longer had the sway he once had, which I feel he still thought he should. Now he’s been put in his place by brass and he’s on a team with players that outshine his talent which led him to be defensive, to never accept any blame, to let the media run with the “it’s obj’s fault” after obj was injured and never saying a peep, all of which hurt his relationship with the entire locker room. I can’t remember anyone on the team saying anything good about Baker other than typical media pleasantries after that whole fiasco.
I think the most detrimental thing he did with his relationship with the browns and ultimately his career was getting that second opinion on his shoulder and not getting the surgery after Watt completely wrecked his shoulder. In hindsight it was pretty clear the team doctor and brass were trying to get him to shut it down . . . But his pride and attitude would not allow for it.
Then he spent the rest of the season searching for excuses for his poor performance. Leaking injury info, the obj saga (which he helped create), complaining on the coaches and scheme. I wondered why Stefanski was so adamant with the he’s ready to go and ran the offense like Baker wasn’t hurt, but it was obviously because Baker was being such a tool about being “healthy”. Stefanski should’ve shut his ass down anyway of course.
Sorry for the rant but I have been trying to reconcile this whole thing in my mind. I really like Baker and wish he could’ve been the guy, I think he was the perfect pick to pull the Browns out of the gutter, but not the guy to lead a top tier roster to the promised land. Judging by the outpouring from the rest of the team they all felt the same. ? It’s was a crazy roller coaster ride that I enjoyed until it left us stuck at the bottom hoping Seattle will send us a coke and a bag of Doritos for him and his salaryI am disappointed that we weren’t able to have that Cinderella story of drafting our guy and rolling with him to the ring, but I am excited to see what Watson can do over the next five years. I’m not buying all this hyped up outrage from all these hypocrites on TV . . . They all line up everyday at the teats of the NFL cash cow, so they can all spare me. No franchise is immune to the shenanigans of NFL players. It’s only a stain on Watson’s reputation as far as I’m concerned. I feel better now . . . Let’s go brownies
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Thats Haslam and Berry being desperate in my view...
Desperate? Nope. They were BOSSES. They did what they had to do to get the best QB available. For the record, at least one other team complained that they would have matched the Browns' offer. Deshaun didn't give them a chance. He actually wanted Cleveland. Contrary to the popular media mentality of belittling the Browns at every opportunity by saying he wanted nothing to do with Cleveland.
Desperate? Nope. They were BOSSES. They did what they had to do to get the best QB available. For the record, at least one other team complained that they would have matched the Browns' offer. Deshaun didn't give them a chance. He actually wanted Cleveland. Contrary to the popular media mentality of belittling the Browns at every opportunity by saying he wanted nothing to do with Cleveland.
Puhleeze.. The bleacher Report is a dried up rag... All the same... I hope it works out... Or were back to square 1...
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Desperate? Nope. They were BOSSES. They did what they had to do to get the best QB available. For the record, at least one other team complained that they would have matched the Browns' offer. Deshaun didn't give them a chance. He actually wanted Cleveland. Contrary to the popular media mentality of belittling the Browns at every opportunity by saying he wanted nothing to do with Cleveland.
Puhleeze.. The bleacher Report is a dried up rag... All the same... I hope it works out... Or were back to square 1...
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