Watson survey
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I’m going with “B” for the simple fact there’s going to be gold diggers along for the ride.
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I really Don't Know--properly B..
after the replay? inconclusive evidence
So many including myself, were mostly letdown by his response to 'why so many massage therapists he felt he needed to employ"
On explaining the number of massage therapists Watson employed in the past:
Watson: “I can’t get too far into detail because there is an ongoing investigation still, but I can say that with this now day and age, especially with my age group, social media is a big business part that goes into it. That is a factor into it, but as far as the details, I can’t get too far into it because there is an investigation going on. Hopefully, once everything is resolved, I can speak freely on it."
before said quote^^^ Came his reasoning for such a high starting client number of " I spent 5 years in the Houston area"....
clearing his name in this public's eyes ? I don't see it either way ..
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I really Don't Know--properly B..
after the replay? inconclusive evidence
So many including myself, were mostly letdown by his response to 'why so many massage therapists he felt he needed to employ"
On explaining the number of massage therapists Watson employed in the past:
Watson: “I can’t get too far into detail because there is an ongoing investigation still, but I can say that with this now day and age, especially with my age group, social media is a big business part that goes into it. That is a factor into it, but as far as the details, I can’t get too far into it because there is an investigation going on. Hopefully, once everything is resolved, I can speak freely on it."
before said quote^^^ Came his reasoning for such a high starting client number of " I spent 5 years in the Houston area"....
clearing his name in this public's eyes ? I don't see it either way ..
I really Don't Know--properly B..
after the replay? inconclusive evidence
So many including myself, were mostly letdown by his response to 'why so many massage therapists he felt he needed to employ"
On explaining the number of massage therapists Watson employed in the past:
Watson: “I can’t get too far into detail because there is an ongoing investigation still, but I can say that with this now day and age, especially with my age group, social media is a big business part that goes into it. That is a factor into it, but as far as the details, I can’t get too far into it because there is an investigation going on. Hopefully, once everything is resolved, I can speak freely on it."
before said quote^^^ Came his reasoning for such a high starting client number of " I spent 5 years in the Houston area"....
clearing his name in this public's eyes ? I don't see it either way ..
I didn’t understand this answer. Were the women hearing about his proclivity for massages and reaching out to him on social media?
But If I liked to get massages frequently and I lived in a large city like Houston…where you have many in the profession…you have some coming and leaving the city or the profession and Watson has a demanding schedule…I don’t think a large number of therapists is an odd thing.
Maybe if you lived in Parma or Strongsville it is different.
We have a robust service industry in San Diego…there are massage therapist, barbers, chiropractic clinics, etc. galore and you have an abundance of professionals entering and leaving the field and the city. Houston is similar
As far as an answer I don’t know yet. But a grand jury (twice) failed to indict that says something in my book. -
A.
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I really Don't Know--properly B..
after the replay? inconclusive evidence
So many including myself, were mostly letdown by his response to 'why so many massage therapists he felt he needed to employ"
On explaining the number of massage therapists Watson employed in the past:
Watson: “I can’t get too far into detail because there is an ongoing investigation still, but I can say that with this now day and age, especially with my age group, social media is a big business part that goes into it. That is a factor into it, but as far as the details, I can’t get too far into it because there is an investigation going on. Hopefully, once everything is resolved, I can speak freely on it."
before said quote^^^ Came his reasoning for such a high starting client number of " I spent 5 years in the Houston area"....
clearing his name in this public's eyes ? I don't see it either way ..
I didn’t understand this answer. Were the women hearing about his proclivity for massages and reaching out to him on social media?
But If I liked to get massages frequently and I lived in a large city like Houston…where you have many in the profession…you have some coming and leaving the city or the profession and Watson has a demanding schedule…I don’t think a large number of therapists is an odd thing.
Maybe if you lived in Parma or Strongsville it is different.
We have a robust service industry in San Diego…there are massage therapist, barbers, chiropractic clinics, etc. galore and you have an abundance of professionals entering and leaving the field and the city. Houston is similar
As far as an answer I don’t know yet. But a grand jury (twice) failed to indict that says something in my book.I didn’t understand this answer. Were the women hearing about his proclivity for massages and reaching out to him on social media?
But If I liked to get massages frequently and I lived in a large city like Houston…where you have many in the profession…you have some coming and leaving the city or the profession and Watson has a demanding schedule…I don’t think a large number of therapists is an odd thing.
Maybe if you lived in Parma or Strongsville it is different.
Parma, Strongsville are all suburbs of Cleveland.
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I didn’t understand this answer. Were the women hearing about his proclivity for massages and reaching out to him on social media?
But If I liked to get massages frequently and I lived in a large city like Houston…where you have many in the profession…you have some coming and leaving the city or the profession and Watson has a demanding schedule…I don’t think a large number of therapists is an odd thing.
Maybe if you lived in Parma or Strongsville it is different.
Parma, Strongsville are all suburbs of Cleveland.
Parma, Strongsville are all suburbs of Cleveland.
I’m using the burbs of Cleveland as a reference point where some of the media folks may live when they ask these types of questions
Heck I could have used Cleveland too
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Parma, Strongsville are all suburbs of Cleveland.
I’m using the burbs of Cleveland as a reference point where some of the media folks may live when they ask these types of questions
Heck I could have used Cleveland too
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This Happens in every city.
Im talking about the sheer number of service professionals in an area and the coming and going of those professionals.
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Oh. I don't think these were 'professionals', just your typical San Diego type massage parlors. I doubt these were the medical massage therapists.
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Everybody has an opinion. And honestly none of us know what happened for sure. Do you believe:
A all of these women are lying or exaggerating looking for a quick buck. No conviction equals no problem.
B some of them are lying (enough to disqualify the whole case) and jumped on the bandwagon. No conviction but still troublesome.
C he probably went over the line but it wasn't forcible rape so boys will be boys.
D he did it and should face the consequences.
F something else
WSS
Everybody has an opinion. And honestly none of us know what happened for sure. Do you believe:
A all of these women are lying or exaggerating looking for a quick buck. No conviction equals no problem.
B some of them are lying (enough to disqualify the whole case) and jumped on the bandwagon. No conviction but still troublesome.
C he probably went over the line but it wasn't forcible rape so boys will be boys.
D he did it and should face the consequences.
F something else
WSS
I'm going with "c"
The simple fact that there are 22 complaints, he hops around these parlors hoping to get the ultimate score. You don't need to be Einstein to see that.
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I am leaning towards B with the caveat that the lawyer for women seems to me to be doing them more harm them good if they have legit grievances. I think the lawyer tried to get all these women without vetting their stories properly in order to try to get some large pay day so instead he tainted the pool of accusers with some bad apples that would be enough to have people dismiss the accusations entirely. I don't know one way or the other but my gut says he most likely did some of the stuff he was accused of.
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Gun to my head, I'm going "B"
Gun to my head, I'm going "B"
I'm going with 75% "B" and 25% "C". If these women were so offended, why repeatedly going back for more? Hey, you have a young, studly, famous guy with a lot of money. He was doing stuff in massage parlors instead of having women lining up in bars ala Ben you know who.
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Zombo said:
Somewhere between A and B.
I've always thought, long before the Browns got involved, that the whacko Texans brass/ownership heard whispers that he had a thing for massage girls, and when Watson got fed up with this horribly run franchise and demanded a trade, the Texans leaked this info to this attorney, Bisbee, who is very good at convincing people that they were wronged, and that they deserve compensation.
Read up on Cal McNair and Jack Easterby. They are nutjobs, and not fit to run a franchise. And the McNairs had previous connection to Bisbee.
I think they are awful, incompetent people whose attempt to sabotage Watson backfired, but they are still getting a butload of draft picks because the League, and in particular the Browns, believe in Watson, who has built up a lot of good will.
The Texans leadership is the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight, Bisbee is a creep lawyer, and Watson is a young man that likes his tally whacked, but never forced these women to do anything.
Z
Watson wasn't the only one who wanted out Z. When you have a future HOFer with impeccable character like JJ Watt head for the exit, sort of tells you the Texans organization is FUBAR.
"Multiple articles were published about the state of the Texans front office, which was (and still is) being run by a former team chaplain."
"It's hard to have fond emotions when the team you knew has been systematically dismantled and replaced with an unrecognizable losing machine."
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Given this some thought and "B" is my answer.
This is the opinion of a 66 year old guy with 40 some years on this guy but a "starting NFL quarterback" who makes millions of dollars a year should be smart enough to avoid the kind of situations that can lead to this kind of accusations.
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I and my wife are an AAA!!!
We believe he is INNOCENT! There may have been some ADULT things that happened, but ALL were consenting ADULTS!! We as a couple are all in on this transition/transaction! Deshaun is our QB1 moving forward/onward/AND Upwards!!! GO BROWNS!!!!!!!!!
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Can’t vote as I don’t know enough about what happened. It’s what I was saying to people before he was dealt here… we have unsubstantiated reports as evidence. No one knows. No need to jump off the ship until there’s evidence enough to do so. Does it seem icky? You bet. Does it also come across as suspect? Yeah, honestly. Kinda.
What I suspect has happened (and it could be a shade worse or more innocent):
Watson goes to a masseuse. After she is done, she says “Oh, you’re Deshaun Watson the NFL quarterback? We’ll sir, would you do me the pleasure of allowing me to blow you?” And Watson being a dude says “my pleasure m’lady. Allow me to present to you… my throbbing manhood.” And then afterward he thinks to himself… “well uh… I don’t know if I should go back to that one. It’s kinda weird now that she sucked my cock and everything.”
So Watson finds a new masseuse. And that masseuse in turn says “Hey Mr Watson! Check out how wet my pussy is for you!” “Well hop on, lass!”
And then again afterward he thinks “geez I don’t know if I should go back to this one.”
And so on and so forth with some not expressing desire to fuck him and others quite the opposite. But enough that do so much that Watson makes some bad reads. He oversteps and he makes some women uncomfortable. And that’s no good. And maybe he meant no disrespect. And maybe upon the “no”, he left it at that and didn’t harass anyone. But perhaps his boner should not have been presented in the first place without being damn sure it was welcome.
For those instances, a lady or two comes forward and says “this cat is a creep.” And a few more come forward who actually consented, but can smell the dollarbucks and claim the same. And perhaps one or two who experienced nothing at all sexual get a whiff of potential cash as well, so they pile on.
The money grubbers may have inflated the numbers and made things look worse than they are. But there are probably some with legit concerns who Watson didn’t intend to offend, but definitely positively abso-fucking-lutely should have fucking known fucking better than to assume that they wanted to fuck him, with whom he acted recklessly and without proper regard.
Presenting a boner? Icky. Unwanted verbal advances? Ditto. Can I learn to live with those with some remorse and a lesson learned? Probably. Because I’ve been cheering for a team without a quarterback my entire adult life. And that’s just the level of hypocrite I’m willing to reduce myself to.
Cramming that unwanted boner down the throat of an unwilling person? I’m drawing a line and will turn in my fan card until Watson is no longer around. Can’t abide by it.
But do I know what level this rises to? Nope! So I’m basing my excitement level on Browns management hopefully being smart enough to understand where they could draw that line. And with what they know, hopefully it’s a sign that it’s not as bad as we fear.
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