Baker to Carolina
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The Browns just booked a seat on the Titanic
And then wait for the phone to ring with that big blockbuster deal for Mr Mayfield will all of those first round picks back, right ?
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Right now there is no trade market for Baker. Once the draft concludes that may pick up as some teams may not get "their guy" which they can hope for now. After that it may have to go in to training camp.
Teams tend to devalue future picks, when trading for a player, so if some QB gets hurt we might get something like a 2nd rounder in 2023, but the reality tells me we are probably looking at a 4th rounder at best. A 5th rounder being more probable.
Unless someone gets hurt in camp, we really don't have any real leverage in this deal. Everything works against us in this deal. Our best bet is working a trade for another player a team might be forced to cut. Either a young guy they want to keep but don't really have the room, or a vet they like but some young guy is starting to show in camp. The saga of baker probably runs in to July or August. Heck, maybe even nearer the trade deadline.
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As of now there's a speculation he could start during Watson's suspension.
I doubt that is realistic. If he's successful he'll have more trade value BUT underscore the FOs bad decision.
If he sucks they eat every bite of the 19 million bucks.
I don't trust the Browns NOT to sabotage the process but thats a lose lose proportion.
(also is Stefanski's play calling no longer an issue? Remember his success was during a play-action oriented offense which seems to have been abandoned this past season.)
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There is no way Baker takes another snap for the Browns.
End of Story.
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seems they didn't care if they ended Baker's career or not - this whole thing - the fishin is great in the fall....was listening to sports radio and there are a LOT of folks disgusted and critical in a serious way. It won't end - like hitting a skunk on a highway, the stink still stays. But at least that goes away after a few weeks maybe. This stink will go down in history books as a new #1 stupidest mistakes in NFL trade history, I think.
https://www.thesportster.com/football/top-15-worst-trades-in-nfl-history/
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As of now there's a speculation he could start during Watson's suspension.
I doubt that is realistic. If he's successful he'll have more trade value BUT underscore the FOs bad decision.
If he sucks they eat every bite of the 19 million bucks.
I don't trust the Browns NOT to sabotage the process but thats a lose lose proportion.
(also is Stefanski's play calling no longer an issue? Remember his success was during a play-action oriented offense which seems to have been abandoned this past season.)
WSS
(also is Stefanski's play calling no longer an issue? Remember his success was during a play-action oriented offense which seems to have been abandoned this past season.)
WSS
Ball action attempts from 2020 compared to 2021.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/advanced.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/advanced.htm
The "Stefanski play calling is the issue" crowd was drummed up by those looking for a quick and easy, even if inaccurate, type of explanation. Which is why I don't really read Terry Pluto at this point. He jumped on that bandwagon the day after the Ravens game (I believe?) for one of his articles.
When I went back and watched the whole of the all-22, Stefs issues were marginal at best. So I get Mr. Pluto has deadlines to meet with his material; but that's the difference between a journalist or someone who "covers" the Browns - VS- someone such as myself. In word an "analyst", I suppose.
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(also is Stefanski's play calling no longer an issue? Remember his success was during a play-action oriented offense which seems to have been abandoned this past season.)
WSS
Ball action attempts from 2020 compared to 2021.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/advanced.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/advanced.htm
The "Stefanski play calling is the issue" crowd was drummed up by those looking for a quick and easy, even if inaccurate, type of explanation. Which is why I don't really read Terry Pluto at this point. He jumped on that bandwagon the day after the Ravens game (I believe?) for one of his articles.
When I went back and watched the whole of the all-22, Stefs issues were marginal at best. So I get Mr. Pluto has deadlines to meet with his material; but that's the difference between a journalist or someone who "covers" the Browns - VS- someone such as myself. In word an "analyst", I suppose.
Ball action attempts from 2020 compared to 2021.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/advanced.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/advanced.htm
The "Stefanski play calling is the issue" crowd was drummed up by those looking for a quick and easy, even if inaccurate, type of explanation. Which is why I don't really read Terry Pluto at this point. He jumped on that bandwagon the day after the Ravens game (I believe?) for one of his articles.
When I went back and watched the whole of the all-22, Stefs issues were marginal at best. So I get Mr. Pluto has deadlines to meet with his material; but that's the difference between a journalist or someone who "covers" the Browns - VS- someone such as myself. In word an "analyst", I suppose.
Could be. So I've heard it plenty of times before the most recent was a Sports Illustrated Ron table. If there's nothing wrong with Kevin stefanski play-calling or coaching then we are in great shape.
WSS
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seems they didn't care if they ended Baker's career or not - this whole thing - the fishin is great in the fall....was listening to sports radio and there are a LOT of folks disgusted and critical in a serious way. It won't end - like hitting a skunk on a highway, the stink still stays. But at least that goes away after a few weeks maybe. This stink will go down in history books as a new #1 stupidest mistakes in NFL trade history, I think.
https://www.thesportster.com/football/top-15-worst-trades-in-nfl-history/
seems they didn't care if they ended Baker's career or not - this whole thing - the fishin is great in the fall....was listening to sports radio and there are a LOT of folks disgusted and critical in a serious way. It won't end - like hitting a skunk on a highway, the stink still stays. But at least that goes away after a few weeks maybe. This stink will go down in history books as a new #1 stupidest mistakes in NFL trade history, I think.
https://www.thesportster.com/football/top-15-worst-trades-in-nfl-history/
No one is debating that the Browns gave up a lot to get Watson. Probably too much. Don't forget there were other teams willing to match the Browns offer. More concerning to me is Deshawn wasn't interested in Cleveland until the the Browns waved $230 million bucks in his face.
Regarding a dead skunk, that stink is probably going to linger for all of 2022. But if the Browns manage to win a Super Bowl, Berry and Haslam are going to come out smelling like high end perfume- at least to some Browns fans.
Regarding Baker, he might have ended his own career. "Put me in coach, I'm ready to play", I'll be the only one in that regard. When he was obviously hurt, and playing like garbage. Hmm, if he had taken the long view and taken himself out, instead of trying be a hero and play with one arm, just maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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seems they didn't care if they ended Baker's career or not - this whole thing - the fishin is great in the fall....was listening to sports radio and there are a LOT of folks disgusted and critical in a serious way. It won't end - like hitting a skunk on a highway, the stink still stays. But at least that goes away after a few weeks maybe. This stink will go down in history books as a new #1 stupidest mistakes in NFL trade history, I think.
https://www.thesportster.com/football/top-15-worst-trades-in-nfl-history/
No one is debating that the Browns gave up a lot to get Watson. Probably too much. Don't forget there were other teams willing to match the Browns offer. More concerning to me is Deshawn wasn't interested in Cleveland until the the Browns waved $230 million bucks in his face.
Regarding a dead skunk, that stink is probably going to linger for all of 2022. But if the Browns manage to win a Super Bowl, Berry and Haslam are going to come out smelling like high end perfume- at least to some Browns fans.
Regarding Baker, he might have ended his own career. "Put me in coach, I'm ready to play", I'll be the only one in that regard. When he was obviously hurt, and playing like garbage. Hmm, if he had taken the long view and taken himself out, instead of trying be a hero and play with one arm, just maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Regarding Baker, he might have ended his own career. "Put me in coach, I'm ready to play", I'll be the only one in that regard. When he was obviously hurt, and playing like garbage. Hmm, if he had taken the long view and taken himself out, instead of trying be a hero and play with one arm, just maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Sorry the decision to play Mayfield falls on the shoulders of Stefanski.
Regarding Mayfield’s future, that fiasco falls on Berry, trying to play both sides of the road.
Kind of like getting caught in bed with the sister in law, now he’s going to have to “eat it” (no pun intended).
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Regarding Baker, he might have ended his own career. "Put me in coach, I'm ready to play", I'll be the only one in that regard. When he was obviously hurt, and playing like garbage. Hmm, if he had taken the long view and taken himself out, instead of trying be a hero and play with one arm, just maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Sorry the decision to play Mayfield falls on the shoulders of Stefanski.
Regarding Mayfield’s future, that fiasco falls on Berry, trying to play both sides of the road.
Kind of like getting caught in bed with the sister in law, now he’s going to have to “eat it” (no pun intended).
Sorry the decision to play Mayfield falls on the shoulders of Stefanski.
Regarding Mayfield’s future, that fiasco falls on Berry, trying to play both sides of the road.
Kind of like getting caught in bed with the sister in law, now he’s going to have to “eat it” (no pun intended).
Sorry, you really think Stef would have played Baker if he had told him "nope, I'm too hurt"? Of course, that wasn't going to happen. Baker would have tried to play on a broken leg.
Yeah, the other side of the coin is the Browns were deliberately trotting out a wounded Mayfield because they had already determined even a healthy Baker wasn't going to be good enough.
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Ball action attempts from 2020 compared to 2021.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/advanced.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/advanced.htm
The "Stefanski play calling is the issue" crowd was drummed up by those looking for a quick and easy, even if inaccurate, type of explanation. Which is why I don't really read Terry Pluto at this point. He jumped on that bandwagon the day after the Ravens game (I believe?) for one of his articles.
When I went back and watched the whole of the all-22, Stefs issues were marginal at best. So I get Mr. Pluto has deadlines to meet with his material; but that's the difference between a journalist or someone who "covers" the Browns - VS- someone such as myself. In word an "analyst", I suppose.
Could be. So I've heard it plenty of times before the most recent was a Sports Illustrated Ron table. If there's nothing wrong with Kevin stefanski play-calling or coaching then we are in great shape.
WSS
If there's nothing wrong with Kevin stefanski play-calling or coaching then we are in great shape.
WSS
There in lies the issue. It isn't so much the "right or wrong" play calling. Stef can incorporate new pieces, groupings and concepts to help improve and widen the effectiveness of this offense. Provided this group masters the more routine material, of course. He still has room for improvement as a coach, every coach does. Sometimes they'll have rough games even at their highest of levels - Bill Belicheck is no exception.
Stefanski had some questionable moments during this past season, I won't argue that. But one's that were squarely on Bakers shoulders are one's that are being laid at the feet of his coach, and that is where the problem lies.
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I've needed some clarity all week ?
How does a trade for Mayfield work for the Browns’ salary cap?
As it stands right now, a trade would be almost perfect for Cleveland. There would be no dead money, and they would not owe Mayfield another penny on his contract. The problem is that shifting over $18 million in salary could affect the price teams are willing to pay. However, if they
1.) can find a team looking for a QB, the equation shifts back to the Browns. As a salary dump, $18 million is a lot. However, that is an incredible value for a starting QB, even if just for one year.
2.) The Browns could potentially sweeten the deal. They could pay Mayfield a lump sum as a signing bonus prior to the trade. That would reduce the cap number being taken on by the team trading for Mayfield, potentially increasing the price they are willing to pay. However, the acquiring team could plan to sign Mayfield to an immediate extension or restructure the deal to add void years, essentially doing the same thing.
3.) Brock Osweiller route and kick in a draft pick just to get his money off the books
How does a trade for Mayfield work for the Browns’ salary cap?
2.) The Browns could potentially sweeten the deal. They could pay Mayfield a lump sum as a signing bonus prior to the trade. That would reduce the cap number being taken on by the team trading for Mayfield, potentially increasing the price they are willing to pay. However, the acquiring team could plan to sign Mayfield to an immediate extension or restructure the deal to add void years, essentially doing the same thing.
I don't know....I keep coming back to this option and asking myself? Why was OBJ/ and his agent, business adult enough to hammer out... a get out of town deal? And Baker's agent just seems to not have a clue nor the class about this dirty business he signed up for ? ? Do some teams still feel the QB trading market stopped at a undecided Jimmy G deal?
meanwhile, I thought the Haslam's handled the Baker questions great yesterday...I think they are willing to give Baker every option but Pittsburgh, to be at a teams training camp day 1..
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"meanwhile, I thought the Haslam's handled the Baker questions great yesterday."
that only matters if you believe him.
WSS
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The Browns just booked a seat on the Titanic
I think I'll wear my browns sweat shirt inside out one of these days in protest....
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Man, I can only imagine what this place would've been like had it existed when 19 was told his skills had diminished.
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Man, I can only imagine what this place would've been like had it existed when 19 was told his skills had diminished.
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Man, I can only imagine what this place would've been like had it existed when 19 was told his skills had diminished.
Man, I can only imagine what this place would've been like had it existed when 19 was told his skills had diminished.
The thing is, Belichick was right.
Kosar had two prime, really good seasons. By the third AFC Championship vs Denver, he was already on the downslide.
Damn shame he got beat up so fast.
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The USFL and XFL need QB's. Let him work his way back to the show. No more commercials. Bakey Littlefield.
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The USFL and XFL need QB's. Let him work his way back to the show. No more commercials. Bakey Littlefield.
The USFL and XFL need QB's. Let him work his way back to the show. No more commercials. Bakey Littlefield.
Bitching about commercials is one of the stupidest complaints any Browns fan has ever made. Anybody that knows his ass from a hole in the crowd knows how little time it takes to slap one of those together. Less time I would wager than coercing a massage therapist to suck your dick.
WSS
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