Baker v. Brisset
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Since your reading comprehension is slipping I’ll put it to you the way an NFC executive put it.
The Browns trying to unload Mayfield is like a roadside fruit stand, if you don’t like the prices wait awhile, they will come down.
And if your starting QB happens to get run over like a squashed tomato, well, the fruit stand is going to look pretty attractive all of a sudden. The Browns don't HAVE to unload Baker... They have the cap room and can tell him to sit home until those tomatoes start getting squashed in OTA's, training camp, or the regular season for that matter. That's Berry's POV Canton.
If the opinion around the league is Baker has sunk below starting QB material, and our backup is better than Mayfield, yeah the Browns are pretty much screwed.
Wasn't Berry and Co that gave him the contract... It was Buddy Boy Dorsey & Co...
In Dorsey's defense, wasn't much of a shock around the league when John Boy made Baker the #1 overall. Look at it this way, it could have been Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen instead.
Now if the opinion around the league is Baker has sunk below starting QB material, and our backup is better than Mayfield, yeah the Browns are pretty much screwed.
The rumor last week is there are 2 teams waiting for the Browns to pay Baker, and then cut him. One of the rumored teams is Shittsburgh.Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I never claimed Baker was Da Bomb!... I still think he's a very good QB when healthy... He has 28 td's in a short season his rookie year which was sensational... After the Freddie debacle he guided the Browns to 11-5 and a playoff victory... People can underscore that all they like. But that's nothing to sneeze at... He was good enough to win...
As I told Canton.. Baker had ONE magic year.. (so did Derek Anderson) Browns fans were so used to crap quarterbacking by the likes of Brandon Weeden and Deshone Kizer, people were about ready to elect Mayfield Mayor of Cleveland after he won a playoff game.
OK 2020.. Mayfield team record 11-5, 63% completions. 3563 yards, 26\8 td\int, 95.9 qbr.
2020 Watson team record 4-12, 72% completions. 4823 yards, 33\7 td\int, 112 qbr.
That said, I thought the Browns were going to let a healthy Baker play out his rookie deal. However, Berry & company had seen enough. (Sort of like the Rams did with Jarred Goff?) They saw the same thing Tia was seeing with those screen shots. Baker has obvious flaws that the Brown's Brass weren't going to waste another season on whether they could be fixed or not. I do agree it was pretty crappy of the Browns to tell Mayfield, yeah- you're our starting QB in 2022- until you're not
FWIW, I don't like all the baggage Deshaun brings with him, and I don't doubt he's going to get suspended for at least four games too.
As I told Canton.. Baker had ONE magic year.. (so did Derek Anderson) Browns fans were so used to crap quarterbacking by the likes of Brandon Weeden and Deshone Kizer, people were about ready to elect Mayfield Mayor of Cleveland after he won a playoff game.
OK 2020.. Mayfield team record 11-5, 63% completions. 3563 yards, 26\8 td\int, 95.9 qbr.
2020 Watson team record 4-12, 72% completions. 4823 yards, 33\7 td\int, 112 qbr.
That said, I thought the Browns were going to let a healthy Baker play out his rookie deal. However, Berry & company had seen enough. (Sort of like the Rams did with Jarred Goff?) They saw the same thing Tia was seeing with those screen shots. Baker has obvious flaws that the Brown's Brass weren't going to waste another season on whether they could be fixed or not. I do agree it was pretty crappy of the Browns to tell Mayfield, yeah- you're our starting QB in 2022- until you're not
FWIW, I don't like all the baggage Deshaun brings with him, and I don't doubt he's going to get suspended for at least four games too.
2 magic years.. 18 and 20.. Get it right dude...
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I’m going to give you a clue Larry, since you haven’t been paying attention.
The reason teams aren’t ringing Berry’s phone is simple….THEY DON’T HAVE TO!
The Browns FO fucked up by playing both sides of the road, and now the other teams are waiting for the Browns to make a deal.
They all know Berry & Company gave Baker a guaranteed $18.8 million dollar contract, and they know the Browns are backed into a corner.
Once the Browns either buys out Bakers contract and/or gives up a draft pick Mayfield will be gone.
Wasn't Berry and Co that gave him the contract... It was Buddy Boy Dorsey & Co...
Wasn't Berry and Co that gave him the contract... It was Buddy Boy Dorsey & Co...
Well, yes and no.
Dorsey was the GM when the Browns drafted The Cheesecake Factory Kid, but Berry was the GM who picked up the option they are now on the hook for.
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I never claimed Baker was Da Bomb!... I still think he's a very good QB when healthy... He has 28 td's in a short season his rookie year which was sensational... After the Freddie debacle he guided the Browns to 11-5 and a playoff victory... People can underscore that all they like. But that's nothing to sneeze at... He was good enough to win...
As I told Canton.. Baker had ONE magic year.. (so did Derek Anderson) Browns fans were so used to crap quarterbacking by the likes of Brandon Weeden and Deshone Kizer, people were about ready to elect Mayfield Mayor of Cleveland after he won a playoff game.
OK 2020.. Mayfield team record 11-5, 63% completions. 3563 yards, 26\8 td\int, 95.9 qbr.
2020 Watson team record 4-12, 72% completions. 4823 yards, 33\7 td\int, 112 qbr.
That said, I thought the Browns were going to let a healthy Baker play out his rookie deal. However, Berry & company had seen enough. (Sort of like the Rams did with Jarred Goff?) They saw the same thing Tia was seeing with those screen shots. Baker has obvious flaws that the Brown's Brass weren't going to waste another season on whether they could be fixed or not. I do agree it was pretty crappy of the Browns to tell Mayfield, yeah- you're our starting QB in 2022- until you're not
FWIW, I don't like all the baggage Deshaun brings with him, and I don't doubt he's going to get suspended for at least four games too.
OK 2020.. Mayfield team record 11-5, 63% completions. 3563 yards, 26\8 td\int, 95.9 qbr.
2020 Watson team record 4-12, 72% completions. 4823 yards, 33\7 td\int, 112 qbr.
baloney.
slutbaggage, your qb fave, had two FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS AT WIDE RECEIVER with the Texans.
Brandin Cooks and Will Fuller. he also had the same head coach since 2014.
Baker did not have even one in 2021. In 2020, he had poutypuss unhappy "injured" obj. and still took the Browns to the playoffs.
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this I did not know...
Although Berry had told Mayfield’s agent (at combine) he might pursue a top-tier quarterback, Berry acknowledged he could’ve handled the situation better by informing Mayfield of the meeting with Watson before the news leaked. (Baker sends goodbye letter)
“I had set up a call for Baker’s representation the following morning,” Berry said. “The news got out before I was able to make that call.
“That’s never how you want someone to find out about that situation. That’s the one thing I wish I had done a little bit differently. But on the whole, we had been pretty candid in terms of where we stood at the quarterback position really since very early in the offseason.”
https://www.brownszone.com/2022/03/30/gm-andrew-berry-says-team-in-no-rush-to-trade-baker-mayfield/
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Now if the opinion around the league is Baker has sunk below starting QB material, and our backup is better than Mayfield, yeah the Browns are pretty much screwed.
The rumor last week is there are 2 teams waiting for the Browns to pay Baker, and then cut him. One of the rumored teams is Shittsburgh.Now if the opinion around the league is Baker has sunk below starting QB material, and our backup is better than Mayfield, yeah the Browns are pretty much screwed.
The rumor last week is there are 2 teams waiting for the Browns to pay Baker, and then cut him. One of the rumored teams is Shittsburgh.Rumors, schmours.. Welcome to silly season crap. I take anything I hear from the talking heads with a huge grain of salt. And you're not listening either Canton. Berry did some fancy footwork to clear cap space for 2022, and the Browns are currently #5 in the NFL with the most. If the Squealers are waiting for the Browns to pay off Baker so they can scoop up and get him.. They're waiting for Godot, and could well be waiting months.
Yeah, Ivy League educated Berry is going to be so stupid to let Baker go to the Steelers? Get out of here with that crap. He can easily let Mayfield sit and stew collecting a paycheck until next year...
baloney.
slutbaggage, your qb fave, had two FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS AT WIDE RECEIVER with the Texans.
Brandin Cooks and Will Fuller. he also had the same head coach since 2014.
Baker did not have even one in 2021. In 2020, he had poutypuss unhappy "injured" obj. and still took the Browns to the playoffs.
Still beating your gotta have a Bengal level WR stable drum eh Cal? Mayfield had one of the best lines in the NFL, Watson was in the top ten in sacks three seasons playing behind a sieve. No wonder he wanted out of Houston . He had more sense than Tim Couch or David Carr getting beaten to a pulp. BTW, Tom Brady and Julian Edelman say your full of it.
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Well, yes and no.
Dorsey was the GM when the Browns drafted The Cheesecake Factory Kid, but Berry was the GM who picked up the option they are now on the hook for.
that's true, but I'm not going to beat a dead horse here nickers. The $18 million we're currently on the hook for with Baker is bordering on chump change in the current NFL QB market. It's the opinion of Mayfield's talent level around the league. Gosh... let's back the truck up a bit... Indy was able to unload Carson Wentz, and get draft picks in return.. Baker isn't even on Andy Dalton's level in the eyes of New Orleans, they had plenty of cap room to pay Baker his $12 million more this year.
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Baker is short and doesn't have any special skills to compensate. He's just a dude at this point.
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Now if the opinion around the league is Baker has sunk below starting QB material, and our backup is better than Mayfield, yeah the Browns are pretty much screwed.
The rumor last week is there are 2 teams waiting for the Browns to pay Baker, and then cut him. One of the rumored teams is Shittsburgh.Rumors, schmours.. Welcome to silly season crap. I take anything I hear from the talking heads with a huge grain of salt. And you're not listening either Canton. Berry did some fancy footwork to clear cap space for 2022, and the Browns are currently #5 in the NFL with the most. If the Squealers are waiting for the Browns to pay off Baker so they can scoop up and get him.. They're waiting for Godot, and could well be waiting months.
Yeah, Ivy League educated Berry is going to be so stupid to let Baker go to the Steelers? Get out of here with that crap. He can easily let Mayfield sit and stew collecting a paycheck until next year...
baloney.
slutbaggage, your qb fave, had two FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS AT WIDE RECEIVER with the Texans.
Brandin Cooks and Will Fuller. he also had the same head coach since 2014.
Baker did not have even one in 2021. In 2020, he had poutypuss unhappy "injured" obj. and still took the Browns to the playoffs.
Still beating your gotta have a Bengal level WR stable drum eh Cal? Mayfield had one of the best lines in the NFL, Watson was in the top ten in sacks three seasons playing behind a sieve. No wonder he wanted out of Houston . He had more sense than Tim Couch or David Carr getting beaten to a pulp. BTW, Tom Brady and Julian Edelman say your full of it.
And you're not listening either Canton.
You’re hilarious.
Yeah, Ivy League educated Berry is going to be so stupid to let Baker go to the Steelers?
If they cut Baker, he can go anywhere he wants.
Get out of here with that crap. He can easily let Mayfield sit and stew collecting a paycheck until next year...
True, but unlikely. If they choose to go that route Baker walks and the Browns get nothing.
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Well, yes and no.
Dorsey was the GM when the Browns drafted The Cheesecake Factory Kid, but Berry was the GM who picked up the option they are now on the hook for.
that's true, but I'm not going to beat a dead horse here nickers. The $18 million we're currently on the hook for with Baker is bordering on chump change in the current NFL QB market. It's the opinion of Mayfield's talent level around the league. Gosh... let's back the truck up a bit... Indy was able to unload Carson Wentz, and get draft picks in return.. Baker isn't even on Andy Dalton's level in the eyes of New Orleans, they had plenty of cap room to pay Baker his $12 million more this year.
that's true, but I'm not going to beat a dead horse here nickers. The $18 million we're currently on the hook for with Baker is bordering on chump change in the current NFL QB market. It's the opinion of Mayfield's talent level around the league. Gosh... let's back the truck up a bit... Indy was able to unload Carson Wentz, and get draft picks in return.. Baker isn't even on Andy Dalton's level in the eyes of New Orleans, they had plenty of cap room to pay Baker his $12 million more this year.
The list of quarterbacks under contract who have been able to somehow get traded, because someone else is actually interested in them, is a pretty impressive one.
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that's true, but I'm not going to beat a dead horse here nickers. The $18 million we're currently on the hook for with Baker is bordering on chump change in the current NFL QB market. It's the opinion of Mayfield's talent level around the league. Gosh... let's back the truck up a bit... Indy was able to unload Carson Wentz, and get draft picks in return.. Baker isn't even on Andy Dalton's level in the eyes of New Orleans, they had plenty of cap room to pay Baker his $12 million more this year.
The list of quarterbacks under contract who have been able to somehow get traded, because someone else is actually interested in them, is a pretty impressive one.
The list of quarterbacks under contract who have been able to somehow get traded, because someone else is actually interested in them, is a pretty impressive one.
At least to me, this being the last year of his contract is a problem.
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The list of quarterbacks under contract who have been able to somehow get traded, because someone else is actually interested in them, is a pretty impressive one.
At least to me, this being the last year of his contract is a problem.
At least to me, this being the last year of his contract is a problem.
There’s actually 3 problems.
1) Last year on a guaranteed contract.
2) Coming off shoulder surgery.
3) He played poorly in his last season.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
There’s actually 3 problems.
1) Last year on a guaranteed contract.
2) Coming off shoulder surgery.
3) He played poorly in his last season.
And he is way too loose with his mouth and social media...
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That's called reality....People cried about Cousins' contract too. Now its nothing....so will be Watson's in a few years
If he doesn’t take the Browns to the SB…he won’t be around in a few years.
Highest salaries=Best results is a joke....That's a fantasy, reality is there''s a many of people who don't work hard, few results and get paid great
So you’re saying the highest paid QB in the league sucks? Now who’s the joke…I’ll answer that for you The Browns.
The list of quarterbacks under contract who have been able to somehow get traded, because someone else is actually interested in them, is a pretty impressive one.
Exactly....if Baker was what his fans claim to be, teams would've snatched him up at the bargain price of 18 mill....they wouldn't risk another team getting him.
bottomline....these DCs and teams have seen the tape of him. Scouts have scouted him...experts, people with decades in the biz. They know he needs everything around him right to succeed any and he got too much mouth.
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There’s actually 3 problems.
1) Last year on a guaranteed contract.
2) Coming off shoulder surgery.
3) He played poorly in his last season.
I understand and can agree, but I think the contract is the biggest problem. Most coaches think they can fix mechanical issues, and the shoulder is relatively straight forward, especially since it is the non throwing shoulder. Since Baker has played well, it is a consistency problem and not a lack of ability problem.
Not having a guy locked up for a few years is hard for a team to swallow.
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Now if the opinion around the league is Baker has sunk below starting QB material, and our backup is better than Mayfield, yeah the Browns are pretty much screwed.
The rumor last week is there are 2 teams waiting for the Browns to pay Baker, and then cut him. One of the rumored teams is Shittsburgh.Rumors, schmours.. Welcome to silly season crap. I take anything I hear from the talking heads with a huge grain of salt. And you're not listening either Canton. Berry did some fancy footwork to clear cap space for 2022, and the Browns are currently #5 in the NFL with the most. If the Squealers are waiting for the Browns to pay off Baker so they can scoop up and get him.. They're waiting for Godot, and could well be waiting months.
Yeah, Ivy League educated Berry is going to be so stupid to let Baker go to the Steelers? Get out of here with that crap. He can easily let Mayfield sit and stew collecting a paycheck until next year...
baloney.
slutbaggage, your qb fave, had two FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS AT WIDE RECEIVER with the Texans.
Brandin Cooks and Will Fuller. he also had the same head coach since 2014.
Baker did not have even one in 2021. In 2020, he had poutypuss unhappy "injured" obj. and still took the Browns to the playoffs.
Still beating your gotta have a Bengal level WR stable drum eh Cal? Mayfield had one of the best lines in the NFL, Watson was in the top ten in sacks three seasons playing behind a sieve. No wonder he wanted out of Houston . He had more sense than Tim Couch or David Carr getting beaten to a pulp. BTW, Tom Brady and Julian Edelman say your full of it.
Still beating your gotta have a Bengal level WR stable drum eh Cal? Mayfield had one of the best lines in the NFL, Watson was in the top ten in sacks three seasons playing behind a sieve. No wonder he wanted out of Houston . He had more sense than Tim Couch or David Carr getting beaten to a pulp. BTW, Tom Brady and Julian Edelman say your full of it.
How many times have NFL qb's completed most of their passes to their offensive linemen, eh, Whoorta? Never said have nothin about the wr's have to be like the Bengals. I've mentioned plenty of teams who understand that they have to give their qb weapons. Why don't you just have pipey downsies and watch wr's be drafted this next draft.
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Still beating your gotta have a Bengal level WR stable drum eh Cal? Mayfield had one of the best lines in the NFL, Watson was in the top ten in sacks three seasons playing behind a sieve. No wonder he wanted out of Houston . He had more sense than Tim Couch or David Carr getting beaten to a pulp. BTW, Tom Brady and Julian Edelman say your full of it.
How many times have NFL qb's completed most of their passes to their offensive linemen, eh, Whoorta? Never said have nothin about the wr's have to be like the Bengals. I've mentioned plenty of teams who understand that they have to give their qb weapons. Why don't you just have pipey downsies and watch wr's be drafted this next draft.
How many times have NFL qb's completed most of their passes to their offensive linemen, eh, Whoorta? Never said have nothin about the wr's have to be like the Bengals. I've mentioned plenty of teams who understand that they have to give their qb weapons. Why don't you just have pipey downsies and watch wr's be drafted this next draft.
It's true a QB needs weapons. Baker had them...his line was top 5. top 5 rushing attack, obj,landry, hopper were all pro bowlers before they got here.Njoku is very solid...etc. We cant act like Baker was just surrounded by low level talent....
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How many times have NFL qb's completed most of their passes to their offensive linemen, eh, Whoorta? Never said have nothin about the wr's have to be like the Bengals. I've mentioned plenty of teams who understand that they have to give their qb weapons. Why don't you just have pipey downsies and watch wr's be drafted this next draft.
It's true a QB needs weapons. Baker had them...his line was top 5. top 5 rushing attack, obj,landry, hopper were all pro bowlers before they got here.Njoku is very solid...etc. We cant act like Baker was just surrounded by low level talent....
It's true a QB needs weapons. Baker had them...his line was top 5. top 5 rushing attack, obj,landry, hopper were all pro bowlers before they got here.Njoku is very solid...etc. We cant act like Baker was just surrounded by low level talent....
And I ask... How many Super Bowls did Jim Kelly win... (With all of that talent).... a big.. FAT 0!
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It's true a QB needs weapons. Baker had them...his line was top 5. top 5 rushing attack, obj,landry, hopper were all pro bowlers before they got here.Njoku is very solid...etc. We cant act like Baker was just surrounded by low level talent....
And I ask... How many Super Bowls did Jim Kelly win... (With all of that talent).... a big.. FAT 0!
And I ask... How many Super Bowls did Jim Kelly win... (With all of that talent).... a big.. FAT 0!
Not sure your point. Yes...he went to 4 Superbowl games and lost to some absolute historic teams...have we been to even 1? Is Kelly not in the HOF? Kosar had alot of talent around him as well but couldn't get past Elway to even make it 1 Superbowl
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