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  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @orion said:

    ...Everybody gets a trophy!

    Look, it's the same for both teams.  One guy from each team goes to midfield.  A coin will be flipped.  Either team has the same odds.  

    If you get the ball, you need to go down the field and score a TD.   If you don't, then your D has to stop the opponent.   Kinda' like....football.

    If you lose the coin flip, then your D needs to stop the opponent from scoring a TD.  If your D cannot, then you're not good enough to be declared the winner.

    The game has to end at some point.  It cannot be allowed to go on like a baseball game where you sit on the bench for half the game and then go stand around on the field for the other half.  It's a brutal game that cannot be allowed to go 6 quarters.

    This is a bad take. 

    Explain how it is like the game if football for only one phase of the game to matter in a win or loss? 

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    @mld-woody said:

    Explain how it is like the game if football for only one phase of the game to matter in a win or loss?

    That's easy!  You had all game, 60 minutes, to score more points than your opponent.

    The game has to come to an end.

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      @mld-woody said:

      Explain how it is like the game if football for only one phase of the game to matter in a win or loss?

      That's easy!  You had all game, 60 minutes, to score more points than your opponent.

      The game has to come to an end.

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      @orion said:

      That's easy!  You had all game, 60 minutes, to score more points than your opponent.

      The game has to come to an end.

      You're letting a coin flip decide which phase of the game is going to matter. That's stupid. Especially when the solution is literally just one more drive to make it even. 

      Using your logic you might as well just flip a coin in OT to determine the winner

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        just for the playoffs…
        Both teams get possession now.  If the score is tied after that scenario it is sudden death.  Next score wins.  Coin flip IMO is still important 

        The strategy will be do you go for two.  So If the Bills would have gotten the ball back after the Chiefs scored they would have had an opportunity to score and go for two for the win or kick the extra point and put Mahomes back on the field.  You could back it up and say maybe the Chiefs score and go for two and force the Bills to score and go for two just to force sudden death.  

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          Your thoughts…And Lots of debate this offseason and proposed solutions.  The Bills are whining that they didn’t get a possession last postseason.  Nevermind that they gave up a scoring drive in 13 seconds or a TD on the Chiefs first overtime drive.

          What is the solution?  

          Everyone gets a drive?  
          One full period tally the score at the end?College Rules?

          Others?

          Or do we Keep it as is?

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          @sdbacker80 said:

          Your thoughts…And Lots of debate this offseason and proposed solutions.  The Bills are whining that they didn’t get a possession last postseason.  Nevermind that they gave up a scoring drive in 13 seconds or a TD on the Chiefs first overtime drive.

          What is the solution?  

          Everyone gets a drive?  
          One full period tally the score at the end? College Rules?

          Others? Or do we Keep it as is?

          I've been saying this for years... Both teams should get a possession in overtime. First team scores a touchdown, other team has to score a TD, or the game is over.  Next score wins. 2nd team could go for 2, get it, and then the game IS over...  Meditating on this- the only exception I can imagine is if the first team in overtime gets sacked for a safety, (it's never happened) then the game IS over, as they'd be kicking off to the other team.  🙂 

          BTW, I HATE the college OT rules...   

          @atom said:

          fuck it if either team cant win just let it end in a tie

          Except in the playoffs, can't happen... Someone has to win.  I agree, eliminate overtime during the regular season though.  

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            just for the playoffs…
            Both teams get possession now.  If the score is tied after that scenario it is sudden death.  Next score wins.  Coin flip IMO is still important 

            The strategy will be do you go for two.  So If the Bills would have gotten the ball back after the Chiefs scored they would have had an opportunity to score and go for two for the win or kick the extra point and put Mahomes back on the field.  You could back it up and say maybe the Chiefs score and go for two and force the Bills to score and go for two just to force sudden death.  

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            @sdbacker80 said:

            just for the playoffs…
            Both teams get possession now.  If the score is tied after that scenario it is sudden death.  Next score wins.

            Here's the thing.  We're ALREADY tied.  Played for 3 hours.  Why create another scenario to be tied?  Cut to the chase.  

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              @texasag1969 said:

              They just added Von Miller, a key to the SB run of the LA Rams.  I think they will prove you wrong.

              They might, but seriously look at the way they lost. Lots of teams in NFL history never got their mojo back after crushing playoff losses. 

              I don't know what their schedule looks like, I could look it up, but I'm betting they won't go better than 10 wins in 2022. 

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              @bob806 said:

              They might, but seriously look at the way they lost. Lots of teams in NFL history never got their mojo back after crushing playoff losses. 

              I don't know what their schedule looks like, I could look it up, but I'm betting they won't go better than 10 wins in 2022. 

              Regular season or do you include playoffs?

              Here are the opponents. https://www.buffalobills.com/schedule/future-opponents

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                @bob806 said:

                They might, but seriously look at the way they lost. Lots of teams in NFL history never got their mojo back after crushing playoff losses. 

                I don't know what their schedule looks like, I could look it up, but I'm betting they won't go better than 10 wins in 2022. 

                Regular season or do you include playoffs?

                Here are the opponents. https://www.buffalobills.com/schedule/future-opponents

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                @texasag1969 said:

                Regular season or do you include playoffs?

                Here are the opponents. https://www.buffalobills.com/schedule/future-opponents

                Regular season. 10-7 at best.

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                  @sdbacker80 said:

                  just for the playoffs…
                  Both teams get possession now.  If the score is tied after that scenario it is sudden death.  Next score wins.

                  Here's the thing.  We're ALREADY tied.  Played for 3 hours.  Why create another scenario to be tied?  Cut to the chase.  

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                  @orion said:

                  Here's the thing.  We're ALREADY tied.  Played for 3 hours.  Why create another scenario to be tied?  Cut to the chase.  

                  Well, I'll give you a couple "what ifs" from other sports to show you why it's not fair. 

                  1) Basketball tied. Team recovers jump ball, immediately scores... GAME OVER.  

                  2) Even worse.. Baseball...   Visiting team scores first in the 10th, home team never gets their at bats... GAME OVER.   

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                    @texasag1969 said:

                    Regular season or do you include playoffs?

                    Here are the opponents. https://www.buffalobills.com/schedule/future-opponents

                    Regular season. 10-7 at best.

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                    @bob806 said:

                    Regular season. 10-7 at best.

                    Last season they were 11-6 and I expect they will match or beat that with Miller added to an already excellent D. You're on for a ?.?

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                      College overtime rules are the best and always have been the best.

                      The fact ties exist at all is stupid.

                      But as is, I think both teams should get at least one offensive possession regardless of a TD or not in OT.

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                      @bbedward said:

                      College overtime rules are the best and always have been the best.

                      The fact ties exist at all is stupid.

                      But as is, I think both teams should get at least one offensive possession regardless of a TD or not in OT.

                      Obviously, you can't have a tie in a playoff game.  I think both teams should get a shot on the first go.  After that, 1st to score in any form.  In the regular season, no overtime works for me.  Ties can work against you, they can help you.  If not being in a tie is the goal, you can take steps the entire game to reduce that chance.

                      It shouldn't just be a thought process in the last minutes of a game.  Like I said, sometimes a tie is just fine.

                      If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                        @bob806 said:

                        Regular season. 10-7 at best.

                        Last season they were 11-6 and I expect they will match or beat that with Miller added to an already excellent D. You're on for a ?.?

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                        @texasag1969 said:

                        Last season they were 11-6 and I expect they will match or beat that with Miller added to an already excellent D. You're on for a ?.?

                        No problem, bet is on!!!

                        Point/counter point lol. Their excellent D gave up 42 points vs KC. Yes, only 1 game. but good teams find ways to score. Looking at their schedule, they have to play 5 "subpar offenses" ( NYJets x2, Miami x2, Detroit) based on the 2021 season, and a couple "iffy offenses" (Cle, Pitt). 

                        I maintain this gut feeling they'll be something like the 1989 Browns....good, not great.

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                          @texasag1969 said:

                          Last season they were 11-6 and I expect they will match or beat that with Miller added to an already excellent D. You're on for a ?.?

                          No problem, bet is on!!!

                          Point/counter point lol. Their excellent D gave up 42 points vs KC. Yes, only 1 game. but good teams find ways to score. Looking at their schedule, they have to play 5 "subpar offenses" ( NYJets x2, Miami x2, Detroit) based on the 2021 season, and a couple "iffy offenses" (Cle, Pitt). 

                          I maintain this gut feeling they'll be something like the 1989 Browns....good, not great.

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                          @bob806 said:

                          No problem, bet is on!!!

                          Point/counter point lol. Their excellent D gave up 42 points vs KC. Yes, only 1 game. but good teams find ways to score. Looking at their schedule, they have to play 5 "subpar offenses" ( NYJets x2, Miami x2, Detroit) based on the 2021 season, and a couple "iffy offenses" (Cle, Pitt). 

                          I maintain this gut feeling they'll be something like the 1989 Browns....good, not great.

                          And I have followed one of the very best pressure players in the NFL for years. He really was the key to a change of attitude with the Rams this past year. Brings his diligence right into the locker room and convinces everyone they can win it all. He hasn't lost a step.

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                            I am good with the as is over time resolution in the NFL. Seems to me to strike a balance between player exposure to injury and fair resolution of a tie. 
                             

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                              I am good with the as is over time resolution in the NFL. Seems to me to strike a balance between player exposure to injury and fair resolution of a tie. 
                               

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                              @tour2ma said:

                              I am good with the as is over time resolution in the NFL. Seems to me to strike a balance between player exposure to injury and fair resolution of a tie. 
                               

                              I agree.

                              this issue brought out a lot of “we can’t extend the game for player safety”.  If that is the case, Why did the NFL extend the season to 17 games?  We know this answer $$$$ but the safety argument is weak IMO if you consider this and other actions by the nfl 

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                                @tour2ma said:

                                I am good with the as is over time resolution in the NFL. Seems to me to strike a balance between player exposure to injury and fair resolution of a tie. 
                                 

                                I agree.

                                this issue brought out a lot of “we can’t extend the game for player safety”.  If that is the case, Why did the NFL extend the season to 17 games?  We know this answer $$$$ but the safety argument is weak IMO if you consider this and other actions by the nfl 

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                                @sdbacker80 said:

                                this issue brought out a lot of “we can’t extend the game for player safety”.

                                Risk / Benefit is always a consideration. Extending the season produced a clear and sizeable bennie for the league, which ulitimately will trickle down to the players in future CBAs . Can't see that being the case for more OT snaps.

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                                  @bbedward said:

                                  College overtime rules are the best and always have been the best.

                                  The fact ties exist at all is stupid.

                                  But as is, I think both teams should get at least one offensive possession regardless of a TD or not in OT.

                                  Obviously, you can't have a tie in a playoff game.  I think both teams should get a shot on the first go.  After that, 1st to score in any form.  In the regular season, no overtime works for me.  Ties can work against you, they can help you.  If not being in a tie is the goal, you can take steps the entire game to reduce that chance.

                                  It shouldn't just be a thought process in the last minutes of a game.  Like I said, sometimes a tie is just fine.

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                                  @ballpeen said:

                                  Obviously, you can't have a tie in a playoff game.  I think both teams should get a shot on the first go.  After that, 1st to score in any form.  In the regular season, no overtime works for me.  Ties can work against you, they can help you.  If not being in a tie is the goal, you can take steps the entire game to reduce that chance.

                                  It shouldn't just be a thought process in the last minutes of a game.  Like I said, sometimes a tie is just fine.

                                  Nothing wrong with that. 

                                  I prefer NO OTs in regular season games   -but-  if they do have OT 15 minutes may be too long, 12 or at least 10 minutes is OK.    Try not to over complicate things wherever possible including penalties 

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                                    @tour2ma said:

                                    I am good with the as is over time resolution in the NFL. Seems to me to strike a balance between player exposure to injury and fair resolution of a tie. 
                                     

                                    I agree.

                                    this issue brought out a lot of “we can’t extend the game for player safety”.  If that is the case, Why did the NFL extend the season to 17 games?  We know this answer $$$$ but the safety argument is weak IMO if you consider this and other actions by the nfl 

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                                    @sdbacker80 said:

                                    I agree.

                                    this issue brought out a lot of “we can’t extend the game for player safety”.  If that is the case, Why did the NFL extend the season to 17 games?  We know this answer $$$$ but the safety argument is weak IMO if you consider this and other actions by the nfl 

                                    If the NFL was really concerned about player safety, they'd eliminate Thursday Night Football

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                                      @sdbacker80 said:

                                      I agree.

                                      this issue brought out a lot of “we can’t extend the game for player safety”.  If that is the case, Why did the NFL extend the season to 17 games?  We know this answer $$$$ but the safety argument is weak IMO if you consider this and other actions by the nfl 

                                      If the NFL was really concerned about player safety, they'd eliminate Thursday Night Football

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                                      @dutch-oven said:

                                      If the NFL was really concerned about player safety, they'd eliminate Thursday Night Football

                                      Exactly. The NFL is SO magnanimous, we can't have Friday Night Football instead (conflicts with high school ball), or Saturday  games... The NCAA and power 5 conferences would have a hissy fit.   

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