Schefter: Watson to Browns
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Supposedly, the Browns started work on Watson back in November. Obviously, they already knew that the position needed to be upgraded...and that the draft class was not going to be the answer...and that the team is built to win now. (Of course OBJ leaving left us with a WR room that wasn't ready to win now)
Let's face it, Baker has not been a very good 4th quarter QB. Although there are many examples, the playoff game against the Chiefs is one that most football fans, GM's, coaches, etc. could relate to actually seeing. With Mahomes in the locker room in the 4th quarter, we could not score points to win the game. Some might argue that Baker didn't lose us the game. And...Oookayy...but we DO know that he didn't WIN it for us. We've counted on Chubb and D'Ernest to 'save' games for us by grinding out tough 1st downs to get the clock to double zeros. Stef did everything he could to keep Baker out of having to win the game...because he knew that he wasn't dependable to deliver. During games we would see Steff try passes when we thought we should run...but that would give Baker better odds at completions...and those completions would open up the running game even more. But he'd throw it over the receiver's head...or behind him.
Many of us on this board have not felt real good about Baker for some time now. And the Browns org obviously felt the same way for at least as long. Remember, all they ever did with Baker was to pick up his 5th year option...which of course they are now regretting.
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Supposedly, the Browns started work on Watson back in November. Obviously, they already knew that the position needed to be upgraded...and that the draft class was not going to be the answer...and that the team is built to win now. (Of course OBJ leaving left us with a WR room that wasn't ready to win now)
Let's face it, Baker has not been a very good 4th quarter QB. Although there are many examples, the playoff game against the Chiefs is one that most football fans, GM's, coaches, etc. could relate to actually seeing. With Mahomes in the locker room in the 4th quarter, we could not score points to win the game. Some might argue that Baker didn't lose us the game. And...Oookayy...but we DO know that he didn't WIN it for us. We've counted on Chubb and D'Ernest to 'save' games for us by grinding out tough 1st downs to get the clock to double zeros. Stef did everything he could to keep Baker out of having to win the game...because he knew that he wasn't dependable to deliver. During games we would see Steff try passes when we thought we should run...but that would give Baker better odds at completions...and those completions would open up the running game even more. But he'd throw it over the receiver's head...or behind him.
Many of us on this board have not felt real good about Baker for some time now. And the Browns org obviously felt the same way for at least as long. Remember, all they ever did with Baker was to pick up his 5th year option...which of course they are now regretting.
Let's face it, Baker has not been a very good 4th quarter QB. Although there are many examples, the playoff game against the Chiefs is one that most football fans, GM's, coaches, etc. could relate to actually seeing. With Mahomes in the locker room in the 4th quarter, we could not score points to win the game.
I think you’re forgetting the helmet to helmet hit on Higgins late in the game at the goal line.
The ball went out of bounds in the end zone, which was a turnover.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Let's face it, Baker has not been a very good 4th quarter QB. Although there are many examples, the playoff game against the Chiefs is one that most football fans, GM's, coaches, etc. could relate to actually seeing. With Mahomes in the locker room in the 4th quarter, we could not score points to win the game.
I think you’re forgetting the helmet to helmet hit on Higgins late in the game at the goal line.
The ball went out of bounds in the end zone, which was a turnover.
I think you’re forgetting the helmet to helmet hit on Higgins
I remember the play. Ironic, Higgins was just that close to being a good receiver. And now they're both gone. (in Baker's case, all but gone).
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Let's face it, Baker has not been a very good 4th quarter QB. Although there are many examples, the playoff game against the Chiefs is one that most football fans, GM's, coaches, etc. could relate to actually seeing. With Mahomes in the locker room in the 4th quarter, we could not score points to win the game.
I think you’re forgetting the helmet to helmet hit on Higgins late in the game at the goal line.
The ball went out of bounds in the end zone, which was a turnover.
I think you’re forgetting the helmet to helmet hit on Higgins late in the game at the goal line.
The ball went out of bounds in the end zone, which was a turnover.
I think you forget we were about to get blown out before Mahomes got injured and that we had multiple chances
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I think you’re forgetting the helmet to helmet hit on Higgins late in the game at the goal line.
The ball went out of bounds in the end zone, which was a turnover.
I think you forget we were about to get blown out before Mahomes got injured and that we had multiple chances
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I think you missed the point, a turnover at the goal line late in the game sealed the deal for K.C.
They managed to win by 5 points.
With their back up....Baker couldn't outplay the back up. Yes...that was a horrible missed call....also wouldve been null and void had Mahomes not got injured
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I think you missed the point, a turnover at the goal line late in the game sealed the deal for K.C.
They managed to win by 5 points.
With their back up....Baker couldn't outplay the back up. Yes...that was a horrible missed call....also wouldve been null and void had Mahomes not got injured
With their back up....Baker couldn't outplay the back up. Yes...that was a horrible missed call....also wouldve been null and void had Mahomes not got injured
In fairness, KC had the best TE in football. The fastest, most elusive wr in football....? Baker has his faults, but if Baker had had Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill, I can't imagine it not making a giant difference in the passing game.
Again, Doug Dieken mentioned more than once about the wr's not getting open.
Meanwhile..... saw on the news that a judge has ordered you know who to answer if he had sex with those 22 women or something like that.
I believe I saw where his attorney? said they would likely appeal. And his answer as to "why 22"....was bad.
Such a waste. To me, the browns just gave the finger to all the fans who are disgusted by this fiasco. How it turns out in the end, who knows. They went about it the wrong way, I think. Just when they were drafting brilliantly......this garbage happens. and THREE 1st round....
just seems the network money is their goal. Just my opinion.
It's just too bad. So many fans did not need this controversy. A lot of folks would have been fine if the Browns got a new qb in the draft. or a trade - except this one. That is the problem.
The Rams were a complete team heading for the super bowl before obj jumped on board, btw. Just sayin.
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With their back up....Baker couldn't outplay the back up. Yes...that was a horrible missed call....also wouldve been null and void had Mahomes not got injured
In fairness, KC had the best TE in football. The fastest, most elusive wr in football....? Baker has his faults, but if Baker had had Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill, I can't imagine it not making a giant difference in the passing game.
Again, Doug Dieken mentioned more than once about the wr's not getting open.
Meanwhile..... saw on the news that a judge has ordered you know who to answer if he had sex with those 22 women or something like that.
I believe I saw where his attorney? said they would likely appeal. And his answer as to "why 22"....was bad.
Such a waste. To me, the browns just gave the finger to all the fans who are disgusted by this fiasco. How it turns out in the end, who knows. They went about it the wrong way, I think. Just when they were drafting brilliantly......this garbage happens. and THREE 1st round....
just seems the network money is their goal. Just my opinion.
It's just too bad. So many fans did not need this controversy. A lot of folks would have been fine if the Browns got a new qb in the draft. or a trade - except this one. That is the problem.
The Rams were a complete team heading for the super bowl before obj jumped on board, btw. Just sayin.
In fairness, KC had the best TE in football. The fastest, most elusive wr in football....? Baker has his faults, but if Baker had had Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill, I can't imagine it not making a giant difference in the passing game.
Again, Doug Dieken mentioned more than once about the wr's not getting open.
Meanwhile..... saw on the news that a judge has ordered you know who to answer if he had sex with those 22 women or something like that.
I believe I saw where his attorney? said they would likely appeal. And his answer as to "why 22"....was bad.
Such a waste. To me, the browns just gave the finger to all the fans who are disgusted by this fiasco. How it turns out in the end, who knows. They went about it the wrong way, I think. Just when they were drafting brilliantly......this garbage happens. and THREE 1st round....
just seems the network money is their goal. Just my opinion.
It's just too bad. So many fans did not need this controversy. A lot of folks would have been fine if the Browns got a new qb in the draft. or a trade - except this one. That is the problem.
The Rams were a complete team heading for the super bowl before obj jumped on board, btw. Just sayin.
Correct...KC had better wide recievers...but not a betterline or runnignbacks or defense.
Judge ordered him to answer if he had sept with the 18 women who actually came to his defense and his attorney asked for relevance. Legally the " shot in the dark".
We also so Baker just be terribly inaccurate...He is leading the league in interceptions for a reason
Not a waste...its the only shot. You can have a great roster (Rams, Tampa) but without an eite QB (Stafford and Brady vs Goff and Weisnten) you're not winning a Superbowl. What has picks gotten us before? How many 1st round picks have we wasted on QBs who we HOPE were good but turned out to be mediocre or bad?
Yes...the Rams were a complete team.....that kind of makes it worse that he still succeeded. Guess who also was a complete team...the Browns
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In fairness, KC had the best TE in football. The fastest, most elusive wr in football....? Baker has his faults, but if Baker had had Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill, I can't imagine it not making a giant difference in the passing game.
Again, Doug Dieken mentioned more than once about the wr's not getting open.
Meanwhile..... saw on the news that a judge has ordered you know who to answer if he had sex with those 22 women or something like that.
I believe I saw where his attorney? said they would likely appeal. And his answer as to "why 22"....was bad.
Such a waste. To me, the browns just gave the finger to all the fans who are disgusted by this fiasco. How it turns out in the end, who knows. They went about it the wrong way, I think. Just when they were drafting brilliantly......this garbage happens. and THREE 1st round....
just seems the network money is their goal. Just my opinion.
It's just too bad. So many fans did not need this controversy. A lot of folks would have been fine if the Browns got a new qb in the draft. or a trade - except this one. That is the problem.
The Rams were a complete team heading for the super bowl before obj jumped on board, btw. Just sayin.
Correct...KC had better wide recievers...but not a betterline or runnignbacks or defense.
Judge ordered him to answer if he had sept with the 18 women who actually came to his defense and his attorney asked for relevance. Legally the " shot in the dark".
We also so Baker just be terribly inaccurate...He is leading the league in interceptions for a reason
Not a waste...its the only shot. You can have a great roster (Rams, Tampa) but without an eite QB (Stafford and Brady vs Goff and Weisnten) you're not winning a Superbowl. What has picks gotten us before? How many 1st round picks have we wasted on QBs who we HOPE were good but turned out to be mediocre or bad?
Yes...the Rams were a complete team.....that kind of makes it worse that he still succeeded. Guess who also was a complete team...the Browns
Correct...KC had better wide recievers...but not a betterline or runnignbacks or defense.
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Very true. KC's wr's are the difference.
We also so Baker just be terribly inaccurate...He is leading the league in interceptions for a reason
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Baker was dismal, granted. But he was hurt. He got hurt on a play where Schwartz, a rookie, made a mistake, ending in an interception.
With obj, a legit field stretcher, it gave Landry etc their chances to get open. Without obj, nope. Teams moved close to the los, and played vs the run and a lot of man to man coverage. And, Landry is not known for getting open vs man to man, and of course HIggins is not, either. That leaves Peoples-Jones- a raw but outstanding talent.
I was disgusted early on, when they allowed Baker to play hurt. That was really stupid in a couple of ways. Something is wrong in "Denmark" there - just makes zero sense, especially after the first few tries.
Again, Dieken knows football - and he was lamenting the fact that wr's were NOT getting open - it was an offensive debacle every pass play.
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Baker Mayfield breaks rookie passing TD record
Baker Mayfield breaks rookie passing TD record. Link icon Copied! Baker Mayfield is alone atop at least one page of the NFL record book. With three passing scores in Sunday's 26-24 loss to the ...Baker Mayfield sets rookie record for TD passes
Baker Mayfield has set the NFL's record for touchdown passes by a rookie. The No. 1 overall pick lived up to the billing by Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson in their debut seasons. Mayfield set the record with his third TD pass in the Week 17 finale against the Baltimore Ravens. -
Correct...KC had better wide recievers...but not a betterline or runnignbacks or defense.
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Very true. KC's wr's are the difference.
We also so Baker just be terribly inaccurate...He is leading the league in interceptions for a reason
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Baker was dismal, granted. But he was hurt. He got hurt on a play where Schwartz, a rookie, made a mistake, ending in an interception.
With obj, a legit field stretcher, it gave Landry etc their chances to get open. Without obj, nope. Teams moved close to the los, and played vs the run and a lot of man to man coverage. And, Landry is not known for getting open vs man to man, and of course HIggins is not, either. That leaves Peoples-Jones- a raw but outstanding talent.
I was disgusted early on, when they allowed Baker to play hurt. That was really stupid in a couple of ways. Something is wrong in "Denmark" there - just makes zero sense, especially after the first few tries.
Again, Dieken knows football - and he was lamenting the fact that wr's were NOT getting open - it was an offensive debacle every pass play.
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Baker Mayfield breaks rookie passing TD record
Baker Mayfield breaks rookie passing TD record. Link icon Copied! Baker Mayfield is alone atop at least one page of the NFL record book. With three passing scores in Sunday's 26-24 loss to the ...Baker Mayfield sets rookie record for TD passes
Baker Mayfield has set the NFL's record for touchdown passes by a rookie. The No. 1 overall pick lived up to the billing by Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson in their debut seasons. Mayfield set the record with his third TD pass in the Week 17 finale against the Baltimore Ravens.I'll stop you there about Schwartz.
If you're referring to that deep dig he was running against the Texans 2 high shell - Baker sailed that ball on him. Just like he did a play before checking into a 7 and throwing to a non-existent receiver. And the play before that spraying the ball into zone coverage to Njoku without moving the LB.
The Baker thread is only a page back and my screengrabs with route breakdowns are available for all to see. You can't just say "Schwartz made a mistake" and then expect it to hold up around me.
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I'll stop you there about Schwartz.
If you're referring to that deep dig he was running against the Texans 2 high shell - Baker sailed that ball on him. Just like he did a play before checking into a 7 and throwing to a non-existent receiver. And the play before that spraying the ball into zone coverage to Njoku without moving the LB.
The Baker thread is only a page back and my screengrabs with route breakdowns are available for all to see. You can't just say "Schwartz made a mistake" and then expect it to hold up around me.
I'll stop you there about Schwartz.
If you're referring to that deep dig he was running against the Texans 2 high shell - Baker sailed that ball on him. Just like he did a play before checking into a 7 and throwing to a non-existent receiver. And the play before that spraying the ball into zone coverage to Njoku without moving the LB.
The Baker thread is only a page back and my screengrabs with route breakdowns are available for all to see. You can't just say "Schwartz made a mistake" and then expect it to hold up around me.
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2021/09/19/baker-mayfield-injured-ugly-interception/
"The Browns were able to score after that thanks to a muffed punt but then the defense gave up seven quick points as well. Looking to go back ahead, Mayfield was throwing it down the field for rookie Anthony Schwartz, who appeared to stop on the route. "
(comments section)
"19 September, 2021
"Credit Schwartz with that INT. This is a two weeks in a row he has quit on a route. Last week he cost us an easy TD before the half and this week an INT and thankfully not a serious injury to Baker on that play when tackling the defender."********************************The rookie wideout failed to finish running a route, which led to a Justin Reid interception and an injury to quarterback Baker Mayfield's non-throwing shoulder after the QB had to tackle Reid. -
Correct...KC had better wide recievers...but not a betterline or runnignbacks or defense.
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Very true. KC's wr's are the difference.
We also so Baker just be terribly inaccurate...He is leading the league in interceptions for a reason
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Baker was dismal, granted. But he was hurt. He got hurt on a play where Schwartz, a rookie, made a mistake, ending in an interception.
With obj, a legit field stretcher, it gave Landry etc their chances to get open. Without obj, nope. Teams moved close to the los, and played vs the run and a lot of man to man coverage. And, Landry is not known for getting open vs man to man, and of course HIggins is not, either. That leaves Peoples-Jones- a raw but outstanding talent.
I was disgusted early on, when they allowed Baker to play hurt. That was really stupid in a couple of ways. Something is wrong in "Denmark" there - just makes zero sense, especially after the first few tries.
Again, Dieken knows football - and he was lamenting the fact that wr's were NOT getting open - it was an offensive debacle every pass play.
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Baker Mayfield breaks rookie passing TD record
Baker Mayfield breaks rookie passing TD record. Link icon Copied! Baker Mayfield is alone atop at least one page of the NFL record book. With three passing scores in Sunday's 26-24 loss to the ...Baker Mayfield sets rookie record for TD passes
Baker Mayfield has set the NFL's record for touchdown passes by a rookie. The No. 1 overall pick lived up to the billing by Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson in their debut seasons. Mayfield set the record with his third TD pass in the Week 17 finale against the Baltimore Ravens. -
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Baker is the only one who says he is able to play. the hc says whether or not he will.
Nope...that wasn't the dynamic with your guy. He ran to the press and said only he makes that decision. If your the no.1 pick, medical staff cleared you and you coming off a playoff win and you do that...wtf is Stefanski supposed to do? He put himself infront of the team...and they both lost because of it
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Let's face it, Baker has not been a very good 4th quarter QB. Although there are many examples, the playoff game against the Chiefs is one that most football fans, GM's, coaches, etc. could relate to actually seeing. With Mahomes in the locker room in the 4th quarter, we could not score points to win the game.
I think you’re forgetting the helmet to helmet hit on Higgins late in the game at the goal line.
The ball went out of bounds in the end zone, which was a turnover.
I think you’re forgetting the helmet to helmet hit on Higgins late in the game at the goal line.
The ball went out of bounds in the end zone, which was a turnover.
I forgot about this one (being brought up multiple times) and I haven't read anyone correct it.
It wasn't late in the game, it was late in the FIRST HALF.
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@hish747 any new legal procedures next or opinions on the added claims?
https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2022/04/08/deshaun-watson-browns-civil-suspension-timeline/
Seen nothing as of a NFL statement ?
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@hish747 any new legal procedures next or opinions on the added claims?
https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2022/04/08/deshaun-watson-browns-civil-suspension-timeline/
Seen nothing as of a NFL statement ?
@hish747 any new legal procedures next or opinions on the added claims?
https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2022/04/08/deshaun-watson-browns-civil-suspension-timeline/
Seen nothing as of a NFL statement ?
I'm not an Attorney but worked for a criminal defense attorney for 7 years out of law school.
These moves look like shots in the dark to make sure they are financially compensated by adding these additions and inlongating the process
The league maynot suspend him until year 2...which Watson and his representation was trying to avoid for multiple reasons.
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