Browns fans are a confusing bunch.
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If this forum doesn't make you laugh, then you need to check your pulse - or at the very least, your funny bone.
Thank you Sweet Baby Jeebus for allowing this place to keep on going.
If this forum doesn't make you laugh, then you need to check your pulse - or at the very least, your funny bone.
Thank you Sweet Baby Jeebus for allowing this place to keep on going.
This forum or this thread? Because I read half of it and I'm wondering if it's worth it reading the rest.
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& Houston didn't want players (fortunately). For us to land the older (by seven years) Russell Wilson...
"The
BroncosBrowns received the Super Bowl-winning quarterback and a fourth-round pick in exchange for tight endNoah Fant, David Njoku, quarterbackDrew Lock, Baker Mayfield, defensive endShelby Harris, Chase Winovich 2022 and 2023 first-round picks, 2022 and 2023 second-round picks and a 2022 fifth-round pick."____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
That's the going rate for a franchise QB...
Texans receive: Three first-round picks (2022, 2023, 2024), one third-round pick (2023), one fourth-round pick (2024)
Browns receive: Deshaun Watson, 2024 fifth-round pick. Basically with the draft day trade with Houston we got a couple 4th round picks back.
it's the going rate because Jimmy Haslam set the price with a ridiculous offer that no team in the league except the Cleveland Browns would have made. If I find out anybody playing in any of the bars I do is making twice or three times as much money as me I'm going to demand the same deal.
"My buddy" DW?
I guess in that head of yours, anyone who didn't ride on Baker's nuts must love Watson. It's a ridiculous thought-process, but then again, you are the person behind the cesspool that is this board's political forum, so...
If Baker was the QB you think he is, the Browns wouldn't have had to do this. A move that I have said numerous times is one that I understand why people are upset about, either ethically or logically.
Your buddy because that's the guy we're talking about. Mayfield would be my buddy. Ethically? Morally? Ethically it sucks but they didn't really have a choice if they were really looking to dump him for somebody else and we're worried about getting left holding the bag with no quarterback at all. (Like that Aesop fable about the dog with the bone that saw his reflection in the Stream.) Even if it were for a player I liked a lot more than I like Watson, including Russell Ryan Carr... Maybe not Rogers. Morally? That only matters to me if Watson got rough with these chicks. And kicking that can down the road with a wink and a nod will never come out one way or the other. The me-too movement can blow me.
On the other hand, I think Mayfield had a rough season and has the ability to have a great season when he's put in the right situation and the team is in the right situation, same as anybody else in the league. Actually same as your buddy y Watson.
WSS
1) it's the going rate because Jimmy Haslam set the price with a ridiculous offer that no team in the league except the Cleveland Browns would have made. If I find out anybody playing in any of the bars I do is making twice or three times as much money as me I'm going to demand the same deal.
2) On the other hand, I think Mayfield had a rough season and has the ability to have a great season when he's put in the right situation and the team is in the right situation, same as anybody else in the league. Actually same as your buddy y Watson.
WSS
1) That's not what I've heard Steve.... Other teams WERE willing to cough up three first round picks for Watson. Yeah, the $230 million changed Deshaun's mind. A record for guaranteed money, but it sure isn't out of line what guys like Mahomes and Rodgers are getting on a per year basis. If you want to say the other two have won Super Bowls, and Watson hasn't (to date) fair enough
2) Can Baker bounce back with a change of scenery? Remains to be seen. Plenty of opinion similar to our one year wonder Derek Anderson teams have Baker "figured out". I wish him well. However, early returns suggest Berry was correct in his estimation Mayfield is a "close, no cigar" QB. Same as the Rams with Goff. IF other teams thought Baker could be the difference between what they have at QB, and a trip to the playoffs, there would have been no shortage of teams willing to pick up his salary in exchange for the sack of seeds draft picks the Browns would get. Besides coming off that injury, having the arrogance to keep insisting on starting when it was obvious his play was toilet flushable probably turned a lot of potential suitors off.
I think I've been pretty clear in the morality department... Watson may well be a great talent on the field, but his off field antics leave a lot to be desired. He'll never be on the integrity level of Joe Thomas and a few dozen other former Browns players. He might get the Browns to the Super Bowl, but it will always ring a little bit hollow. My POV.
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Zombo said:
Well, he was cleared of all criminal charges, which would include any sort of violence or force. So that leaves asking for a handjob or a blowjob and he said/ she said ... and certainly we have all been there.
He requested a trade from the Texans, who were deconstructing their team and paying him on his rookie contract. Other players to recently request a trade include Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and JJ Watt ... But they are white and no one gives a shit who is giving them a handjob.
Wait....did Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and JJ Watt have 22 women file suit against them?
no. Has nothing to do with race or requesting a trade.
"sleazy" trashed himself out of the Texans' plans.
To me - hopefully you want the face of the frachise to inspire kids and fans.
That isn't "sleasy". The browns stepped in it, deep - and it stinks worse than a muddy pig farm. If some fans are fine with it - ok, but it's their choices. Not a lot of others - and dividing the fan base over the controversy stinks terrible. It says very bad things about the browns fo.
Except - lack of evidence/ word against word.... doesn't get a conviction - but he had a very expensive room at a fancy place, and paid UNLICENSED women to fly to him?
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1) it's the going rate because Jimmy Haslam set the price with a ridiculous offer that no team in the league except the Cleveland Browns would have made. If I find out anybody playing in any of the bars I do is making twice or three times as much money as me I'm going to demand the same deal.
2) On the other hand, I think Mayfield had a rough season and has the ability to have a great season when he's put in the right situation and the team is in the right situation, same as anybody else in the league. Actually same as your buddy y Watson.
WSS
1) That's not what I've heard Steve.... Other teams WERE willing to cough up three first round picks for Watson. Yeah, the $230 million changed Deshaun's mind. A record for guaranteed money, but it sure isn't out of line what guys like Mahomes and Rodgers are getting on a per year basis. If you want to say the other two have won Super Bowls, and Watson hasn't (to date) fair enough
2) Can Baker bounce back with a change of scenery? Remains to be seen. Plenty of opinion similar to our one year wonder Derek Anderson teams have Baker "figured out". I wish him well. However, early returns suggest Berry was correct in his estimation Mayfield is a "close, no cigar" QB. Same as the Rams with Goff. IF other teams thought Baker could be the difference between what they have at QB, and a trip to the playoffs, there would have been no shortage of teams willing to pick up his salary in exchange for the sack of seeds draft picks the Browns would get. Besides coming off that injury, having the arrogance to keep insisting on starting when it was obvious his play was toilet flushable probably turned a lot of potential suitors off.
I think I've been pretty clear in the morality department... Watson may well be a great talent on the field, but his off field antics leave a lot to be desired. He'll never be on the integrity level of Joe Thomas and a few dozen other former Browns players. He might get the Browns to the Super Bowl, but it will always ring a little bit hollow. My POV.
1) That's not what I've heard Steve.... Other teams WERE willing to cough up three first round picks for Watson. Yeah, the $230 million changed Deshaun's mind. A record for guaranteed money, but it sure isn't out of line what guys like Mahomes and Rodgers are getting on a per year basis. If you want to say the other two have won Super Bowls, and Watson hasn't (to date) fair enough
What I'm saying is no other team was willing to make the deal the Cleveland Browns made. Draft picks? Sure maybe. 5 year guaranteed quarter of a billion dollars? Apparently not since it was clear he preferred any other team to Cleveland.
And if the Lombardi trophy is inJimmy Haslam's rec room this time next year you guys can certainly gloat and tell me I was wrong.
I don't think I'm the only guy that's ever taken a wait-and-see position when it comes to the next savior of the Browns.
WSS
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1) That's not what I've heard Steve.... Other teams WERE willing to cough up three first round picks for Watson. Yeah, the $230 million changed Deshaun's mind. A record for guaranteed money, but it sure isn't out of line what guys like Mahomes and Rodgers are getting on a per year basis. If you want to say the other two have won Super Bowls, and Watson hasn't (to date) fair enough
What I'm saying is no other team was willing to make the deal the Cleveland Browns made. Draft picks? Sure maybe. 5 year guaranteed quarter of a billion dollars? Apparently not since it was clear he preferred any other team to Cleveland.
And if the Lombardi trophy is inJimmy Haslam's rec room this time next year you guys can certainly gloat and tell me I was wrong.
I don't think I'm the only guy that's ever taken a wait-and-see position when it comes to the next savior of the Browns.
WSS
What I'm saying is no other team was willing to make the deal the Cleveland Browns made. Draft picks? Sure maybe. 5 year guaranteed quarter of a billion dollars? Apparently not since it was clear he preferred any other team to Cleveland.
And if the Lombardi trophy is inJimmy Haslam's rec room this time next year you guys can certainly gloat and tell me I was wrong.
I don't think I'm the only guy that's ever taken a wait-and-see position when it comes to the next savior of the Browns.
WSS
As the disclaimer on any investment offer says "past performance is no guarantee of future results." Watson's past NFL performance is significantly better than Baker's. Except to a few nitpicking hatas.
Don't make it out to be I'm somehow in love with bringing Deshaun on board, because I'm not. Just sayin' what's done is done, not a damn thing I can do about it. Berry thinks following the Rams lead to get a franchise QB will get the Browns to the promised land. He had better be right. Staying positive, but if DW gets suspended for 8-10 games I may have an attitude adjustment.
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What I'm saying is no other team was willing to make the deal the Cleveland Browns made. Draft picks? Sure maybe. 5 year guaranteed quarter of a billion dollars? Apparently not since it was clear he preferred any other team to Cleveland.
And if the Lombardi trophy is inJimmy Haslam's rec room this time next year you guys can certainly gloat and tell me I was wrong.
I don't think I'm the only guy that's ever taken a wait-and-see position when it comes to the next savior of the Browns.
WSS
As the disclaimer on any investment offer says "past performance is no guarantee of future results." Watson's past NFL performance is significantly better than Baker's. Except to a few nitpicking hatas.
Don't make it out to be I'm somehow in love with bringing Deshaun on board, because I'm not. Just sayin' what's done is done, not a damn thing I can do about it. Berry thinks following the Rams lead to get a franchise QB will get the Browns to the promised land. He had better be right. Staying positive, but if DW gets suspended for 8-10 games I may have an attitude adjustment.
As the disclaimer on any investment offer says "past performance is no guarantee of future results." Watson's past NFL performance is significantly better than Baker's. Except to a few nitpicking hatas.
Don't make it out to be I'm somehow in love with bringing Deshaun on board, because I'm not. Just sayin' what's done is done, not a damn thing I can do about it. Berry thinks following the Rams lead to get a franchise QB will get the Browns to the promised land. He had better be right. Staying positive, but if DW gets suspended for 8-10 games I may have an attitude adjustment.
I didn't want the idiot DW in the first place... He's a dumb fucktard for getting himself into that mess.. Makes me question his ability to lead men because he certainly cannot lead himself...
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What I'm saying is no other team was willing to make the deal the Cleveland Browns made. Draft picks? Sure maybe. 5 year guaranteed quarter of a billion dollars? Apparently not since it was clear he preferred any other team to Cleveland.
And if the Lombardi trophy is inJimmy Haslam's rec room this time next year you guys can certainly gloat and tell me I was wrong.
I don't think I'm the only guy that's ever taken a wait-and-see position when it comes to the next savior of the Browns.
WSS
As the disclaimer on any investment offer says "past performance is no guarantee of future results." Watson's past NFL performance is significantly better than Baker's. Except to a few nitpicking hatas.
Don't make it out to be I'm somehow in love with bringing Deshaun on board, because I'm not. Just sayin' what's done is done, not a damn thing I can do about it. Berry thinks following the Rams lead to get a franchise QB will get the Browns to the promised land. He had better be right. Staying positive, but if DW gets suspended for 8-10 games I may have an attitude adjustment.
. Berry thinks following the Rams lead to get a franchise QB will get the Browns to the promised land.
Yeah, but you can't follow that up by picking 5th or higher rounders as your 1st two picks in the ensuing draft......which he did. I mean who trades down to take a CB who has no NFL skills other than for STs.
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. Berry thinks following the Rams lead to get a franchise QB will get the Browns to the promised land.
Yeah, but you can't follow that up by picking 5th or higher rounders as your 1st two picks in the ensuing draft......which he did. I mean who trades down to take a CB who has no NFL skills other than for STs.
I mean who trades down to take a CB who has no NFL skills other than for STs.
Being fairly certain I've watched as much, if not more of Martin than you; that's an incredibly harsh, hyperbolic, in not outright inaccurate take.
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I mean who trades down to take a CB who has no NFL skills other than for STs.
Being fairly certain I've watched as much, if not more of Martin than you; that's an incredibly harsh, hyperbolic, in not outright inaccurate take.
Being fairly certain I've watched as much, if not more of Martin than you; that's an incredibly harsh, hyperbolic, in not outright inaccurate take.
Well, a lot of the talking heads out there think it was a bad pick... No opinion, as I haven't seen any tape on the guy.
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Well, a lot of the talking heads out there think it was a bad pick... No opinion, as I haven't seen any tape on the guy.
You'll have to link those talking heads, if they're worth reading.
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I mean who trades down to take a CB who has no NFL skills other than for STs.
Being fairly certain I've watched as much, if not more of Martin than you; that's an incredibly harsh, hyperbolic, in not outright inaccurate take.
Being fairly certain I've watched as much, if not more of Martin than you; that's an incredibly harsh, hyperbolic, in not outright inaccurate take.
Ur on for a beer. STs and a few tries at CB where he either gets burned or flagged.
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& Houston didn't want players (fortunately). For us to land the older (by seven years) Russell Wilson...
"The
BroncosBrowns received the Super Bowl-winning quarterback and a fourth-round pick in exchange for tight endNoah Fant, David Njoku, quarterbackDrew Lock, Baker Mayfield, defensive endShelby Harris, Chase Winovich 2022 and 2023 first-round picks, 2022 and 2023 second-round picks and a 2022 fifth-round pick."____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
That's the going rate for a franchise QB...
Texans receive: Three first-round picks (2022, 2023, 2024), one third-round pick (2023), one fourth-round pick (2024)
Browns receive: Deshaun Watson, 2024 fifth-round pick. Basically with the draft day trade with Houston we got a couple 4th round picks back.
it's the going rate because Jimmy Haslam set the price with a ridiculous offer that no team in the league except the Cleveland Browns would have made. If I find out anybody playing in any of the bars I do is making twice or three times as much money as me I'm going to demand the same deal.
"My buddy" DW?
I guess in that head of yours, anyone who didn't ride on Baker's nuts must love Watson. It's a ridiculous thought-process, but then again, you are the person behind the cesspool that is this board's political forum, so...
If Baker was the QB you think he is, the Browns wouldn't have had to do this. A move that I have said numerous times is one that I understand why people are upset about, either ethically or logically.
Your buddy because that's the guy we're talking about. Mayfield would be my buddy. Ethically? Morally? Ethically it sucks but they didn't really have a choice if they were really looking to dump him for somebody else and we're worried about getting left holding the bag with no quarterback at all. (Like that Aesop fable about the dog with the bone that saw his reflection in the Stream.) Even if it were for a player I liked a lot more than I like Watson, including Russell Ryan Carr... Maybe not Rogers. Morally? That only matters to me if Watson got rough with these chicks. And kicking that can down the road with a wink and a nod will never come out one way or the other. The me-too movement can blow me.
On the other hand, I think Mayfield had a rough season and has the ability to have a great season when he's put in the right situation and the team is in the right situation, same as anybody else in the league. Actually same as your buddy y Watson.
WSS
The me-too movement can blow me.
Prime example of the kind of statement that gets one "me-tooed"...
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1) That's not what I've heard Steve.... Other teams WERE willing to cough up three first round picks for Watson. Yeah, the $230 million changed Deshaun's mind. A record for guaranteed money, but it sure isn't out of line what guys like Mahomes and Rodgers are getting on a per year basis. If you want to say the other two have won Super Bowls, and Watson hasn't (to date) fair enough
What I'm saying is no other team was willing to make the deal the Cleveland Browns made. Draft picks? Sure maybe. 5 year guaranteed quarter of a billion dollars? Apparently not since it was clear he preferred any other team to Cleveland.
And if the Lombardi trophy is inJimmy Haslam's rec room this time next year you guys can certainly gloat and tell me I was wrong.
I don't think I'm the only guy that's ever taken a wait-and-see position when it comes to the next savior of the Browns.
WSS
What I'm saying is no other team was willing to make the deal the Cleveland Browns made. Draft picks? Sure maybe. 5 year guaranteed quarter of a billion dollars? Apparently not since it was clear he preferred any other team to Cleveland.
And if the Lombardi trophy is inJimmy Haslam's rec room this time next year you guys can certainly gloat and tell me I was wrong.
I don't think I'm the only guy that's ever taken a wait-and-see position when it comes to the next savior of the Browns.
Well... we all have to wait and see and I have apprehensions as well,.... but the3 PBs man has the on-field credentials. ROY... 3 PBs... 4900 season...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
What I'm saying is no other team was willing to make the deal the Cleveland Browns made. Draft picks? Sure maybe. 5 year guaranteed quarter of a billion dollars? Apparently not since it was clear he preferred any other team to Cleveland.
And if the Lombardi trophy is inJimmy Haslam's rec room this time next year you guys can certainly gloat and tell me I was wrong.
I don't think I'm the only guy that's ever taken a wait-and-see position when it comes to the next savior of the Browns.
Well... we all have to wait and see and I have apprehensions as well,.... but the3 PBs man has the on-field credentials. ROY... 3 PBs... 4900 season...
Well... we all have to wait and see and I have apprehensions as well,.... but the3 PBs man has the on-field credentials. ROY... 3 PBs... 4900 season...
Again I think I've listed my objections pretty clearly. And my concerns and my consternation, and my doubts. Anyway we don't agree on everything but hopefully this will give you extra incentive to hang on so you can gloat if I'm wrong.
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WSS
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You'll have to link those talking heads, if they're worth reading.
SB Nation... While he can jam and be disruptive from press, he lacks ideal pedal fluidity and change of direction in man coverage, struggling to make up the lost steps when overaggressive. Overall, Emerson lacks quick-twitch athleticism and functional play strength, but he shows a natural feel for spacing and disruption in zone coverage.
There was more, but I'm not in the mood to research. Supposedly when MSU played Alabama they deliberately targeted him. Only one interception his entire college career, and a 4.5 in the 40 is pedestrian for a cornerback. .
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Ur on for a beer. STs and a few tries at CB where he either gets burned or flagged.
Vague... but I'll roll with it.
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Ur on for a beer. STs and a few tries at CB where he either gets burned or flagged.
Vague... but I'll roll with it.
Vague... but I'll roll with it.
Tia, if he busts... At least we didn't waste a first round pick on him like (barf) Justin Gilbert. SI only ranked Bad Puppy in the Doghouse Mike Junkin, and Johnny Foosball at #1 higher.
I find little to disagree with on their list.
https://www.si.com/nfl/The-10-Biggest-Draft-Busts-in-Cleveland-Browns-History
BTW, MHO trading away several picks to the Bills (including a first rounder) for Tom Cousineau rates up there with shipping Paul Warfield to the 'Fins for Mike Phipps. And who you might ask, did the Bills select with that first round pick they got from the Browns? Jim Kelly. You may barf now.
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Vague... but I'll roll with it.
Tia, if he busts... At least we didn't waste a first round pick on him like (barf) Justin Gilbert. SI only ranked Bad Puppy in the Doghouse Mike Junkin, and Johnny Foosball at #1 higher.
I find little to disagree with on their list.
https://www.si.com/nfl/The-10-Biggest-Draft-Busts-in-Cleveland-Browns-History
BTW, MHO trading away several picks to the Bills (including a first rounder) for Tom Cousineau rates up there with shipping Paul Warfield to the 'Fins for Mike Phipps. And who you might ask, did the Bills select with that first round pick they got from the Browns? Jim Kelly. You may barf now.
BTW, MHO trading away several picks to the Bills (including a first rounder) for Tom Cousineau rates up there with shipping Paul Warfield to the 'Fins for Mike Phipps. And who you might ask, did the Bills select with that first round pick they got from the Browns? Jim Kelly. You may barf now.
What absolutely blows my mind is that as bad as Mike Phipps was for the Browns - and for a good amount of years too - the Browns somehow got a first round pick out of the Chicago Bears for him that netted the Browns Clay Matthews Jr.
So it might be said that Mike Phipps was involved in the worst AND best trade in Browns history.
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Man I wonder what the reaction is going to be when the 230 million dollar man fails to make the browns any more of a contender in the span of four years.
I won't be able to pinpoint this thread at that time, probably, but looking back over Watson's career...I think you had all better keep your expectations low.
I couldn't hear you over your Baker Mayfield jersey.... ?
I couldn't hear you over your Baker Mayfield jersey.... ?
Baker has been the only consistent quarterback since 1999. Am I in love with him? No. Am I sorry to see him go? Kind of, but I'll live. Do I think Deshaun Watson is the answer? I do not, but we'll see.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
I couldn't hear you over your Baker Mayfield jersey.... ?
Baker has been the only consistent quarterback since 1999. Am I in love with him? No. Am I sorry to see him go? Kind of, but I'll live. Do I think Deshaun Watson is the answer? I do not, but we'll see.
Baker has been the only consistent quarterback since 1999. Am I in love with him? No. Am I sorry to see him go? Kind of, but I'll live. Do I think Deshaun Watson is the answer? I do not, but we'll see.
That pretty much sums it up.
It appears that the BROWNS F0, staff, coaching and anyone else with any input on the matter have decided to move on to another quarterback to lead the Cleveland BROWNS.....that much has been determined.
What will happen to Baker Mayfield as of Tuesday May 3 at noon.....TBD.
What will happen with DeShawn Watson and all of the details......TBD.
Anything else right now is just speculation -but- there are a few things that are out there now.
The draft is over and we must move on from there....... *edit add, unless you like to plow the same old manure fields over and over again.
GO BROWNS !
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