Browns fans are a confusing bunch.
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Baker has been the only consistent quarterback since 1999. Am I in love with him? No. Am I sorry to see him go? Kind of, but I'll live. Do I think Deshaun Watson is the answer? I do not, but we'll see.
Actually, Baker was inconsistent. Two good years, two bad years. Were his bad outings last season due to that injury? I was willing to give him 2022 to try and prove that 2021 was an injury fluke year. However, the Browns Front Office and Coaching Staff were not.
Browns fans had become so used to truly lousy quarterbacking, when Baker came along and won a playoff game (thanks in large part to the Steelers committing SIX turnovers) some fans were willing to put his statue up outside the stadium. I hope the Browns aren't making a huge mistake. But the general lack of interest in the NFL in bringing Baker on board- as of now- seems like Berry made the right call.
& as I've said a bunch of times, I'm less than thrilled about who they brought in as a replacement.
Actually, Baker was inconsistent. Two good years, two bad years. Were his bad outings last season due to that injury? I was willing to give him 2022 to try and prove that 2021 was an injury fluke year. However, the Browns Front Office and Coaching Staff were not.
Browns fans had become so used to truly lousy quarterbacking, when Baker came along and won a playoff game (thanks in large part to the Steelers committing SIX turnovers) some fans were willing to put his statue up outside the stadium. I hope the Browns aren't making a huge mistake. But the general lack of interest in the NFL in bringing Baker on board- as of now- seems like Berry made the right call.
& as I've said a bunch of times, I'm less than thrilled about who they brought in as a replacement.
There definitely seems to be three camps on here regarding this situation.
Camp 1: Ride With Baker Til I Die Crew: Hate that Baker lost his job, hate that Deshaun Watson is the new QB.
Camp 2: Well Isn't This Some Shit Crew: Fine with Baker no longer being the starting QB, but not thrilled that he was replaced with Deshaun Watson, due mostly to ethical reasons, but also due to the cost to get Watson.
Camp 3: Happy Days Are Here Again Crew: Thrilled Baker lost his job, thrilled that Deshaun Watson is the new QB.
The hilarious thing is that most of the fights have come from Camp 1 attacking members of Camp 2, accusing them being solidly in Camp 3 ?
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Zombo said:
In fact, your cohort, Cal, is telling me that the women were flown in from across the country and put up in nice hotels and they were sometimes unlicensed ...
So?
anybody here want "sleazy" to be the face of the franchise and have kids look up to him?
anybody?
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Zombo said:
In fact, your cohort, Cal, is telling me that the women were flown in from across the country and put up in nice hotels and they were sometimes unlicensed ...
So?
anybody here want "sleazy" to be the face of the franchise and have kids look up to him?
anybody?
So?
anybody here want "sleazy" to be the face of the franchise and have kids look up to him?
anybody?
Even for cal, the hypocrisy is staggering.
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Zombo said:
I love Baker too, but Watson is a much better qb, the evidence is profound.
Baker bridged us from embarrassment to respectability, and I am forever grateful, but we have a Super Bowl Roster with a bunch of studs in their prime, and in Baker's best year we made the Final 4 in the AFC, but we are in the business if Super Bowls, and Watson gives us a better shot. He's incredibly accurate, mobile and a leader of Men.
Zero of Baker's teammates are taking up for him. He had a very good and memorable run, be we upgraded and I'm all for that.
Z
A leader of men?.. LOL He can't even lead his own peepee... his Peepee controls him... Please...
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Zombo said:
I love Baker too, but Watson is a much better qb, the evidence is profound.
Baker bridged us from embarrassment to respectability, and I am forever grateful, but we have a Super Bowl Roster with a bunch of studs in their prime, and in Baker's best year we made the Final 4 in the AFC, but we are in the business if Super Bowls, and Watson gives us a better shot. He's incredibly accurate, mobile and a leader of Men.
Zero of Baker's teammates are taking up for him. He had a very good and memorable run, be we upgraded and I'm all for that.
Z
A leader of men?.. LOL He can't even lead his own peepee... his Peepee controls him... Please...
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@gumby73 said:
Could you image if our Resting in peace pal, The Gipper was still around to respond to some of this?
The page total would be doubled if not tripled? 
Question to the members that knew him best...What side of this, do we think the Gipper would have been on?
? your missed Gip..RIP
gip would say innocent untill proven guilty
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@gumby73 said:
Could you image if our Resting in peace pal, The Gipper was still around to respond to some of this?
The page total would be doubled if not tripled? Question to the members that knew him best...What side of this, do we think the Gipper would have been on?
? your missed Gip..RIP
Wow, that's an interesting question, gumby.
I honestly don't know where he would have been on this, I would guess Steve would of anyone here.
It would have been real interesting what Gip would have thought of the whole grand jury/no indictment situation, though. He would have been good to have around for that, for sure.
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Zombo said:
I love Baker too, but Watson is a much better qb, the evidence is profound.
Baker bridged us from embarrassment to respectability, and I am forever grateful, but we have a Super Bowl Roster with a bunch of studs in their prime, and in Baker's best year we made the Final 4 in the AFC, but we are in the business if Super Bowls, and Watson gives us a better shot. He's incredibly accurate, mobile and a leader of Men.
Zero of Baker's teammates are taking up for him. He had a very good and memorable run, be we upgraded and I'm all for that.
Z
Nobody whose job counts on the front office or getting along with the new quarterback is going to take a big stand. Face it.
WSS
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Actually, Baker was inconsistent. Two good years, two bad years. Were his bad outings last season due to that injury? I was willing to give him 2022 to try and prove that 2021 was an injury fluke year. However, the Browns Front Office and Coaching Staff were not.
Browns fans had become so used to truly lousy quarterbacking, when Baker came along and won a playoff game (thanks in large part to the Steelers committing SIX turnovers) some fans were willing to put his statue up outside the stadium. I hope the Browns aren't making a huge mistake. But the general lack of interest in the NFL in bringing Baker on board- as of now- seems like Berry made the right call.
& as I've said a bunch of times, I'm less than thrilled about who they brought in as a replacement.
There definitely seems to be three camps on here regarding this situation.
Camp 1: Ride With Baker Til I Die Crew: Hate that Baker lost his job, hate that Deshaun Watson is the new QB.
Camp 2: Well Isn't This Some Shit Crew: Fine with Baker no longer being the starting QB, but not thrilled that he was replaced with Deshaun Watson, due mostly to ethical reasons, but also due to the cost to get Watson.
Camp 3: Happy Days Are Here Again Crew: Thrilled Baker lost his job, thrilled that Deshaun Watson is the new QB.
The hilarious thing is that most of the fights have come from Camp 1 attacking members of Camp 2, accusing them being solidly in Camp 3 ?
There definitely seems to be three camps on here regarding this situation.
Camp 1: Ride With Baker Til I Die Crew: Hate that Baker lost his job, hate that Deshaun Watson is the new QB.
Camp 2: Well Isn't This Some Shit Crew: Fine with Baker no longer being the starting QB, but not thrilled that he was replaced with Deshaun Watson, due mostly to ethical reasons, but also due to the cost to get Watson.
Camp 3: Happy Days Are Here Again Crew: Thrilled Baker lost his job, thrilled that Deshaun Watson is the new QB.
Nice...but there's a Camp 2.5: Came to the conclusion that Baker is not good enough. Is inspired by the fact that the organization saw it the same way and brought in a statistically superior QB. And quietly has crossed fingers that any legal and/or maturity issues will iron themselves out favorably.
Watson is statistically superior.....but he didn't have to play in the AFC North. Perhaps his completion percentage will change somewhat at his new latitude.
I do agree with the idea that Watson is single, and like me, likes girls. As long as he didn't verbally or physically mistreat any of them, then, in this day and age....... - The thing is, we DON'T know what exactly these girls are saying that he did. What did he say to them when they said no to him? What did he do to them when they said no to him? We know that the Browns organization talked to him and looked into the situation in their own way. And we know that Dee is on the NFL ethics committee. They still went ahead and traded for him. So far, nothing shows that they made the wrong decision....but it's early yet.
ALSO, there may be a Camp 1.5: The people that think that all we gave up, picks and guaranteed money, is too much to give up for most anyone, let alone him.
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Zombo said:
Do you think NFL colleagues give a shit if he is plowing every masseuse in the land?
Have you ever worked with a group of men? You don't lose credibility by having a lot of sex.
Z
I don't have a problem that he loves broads.. What dude doesn't?.. Hes a dumb fuck for getting himself into this mess.. What part of that do you not understand Z?... If he's this dumb.. What other stupid shit is he gonna do?.. That's a bit worrisome... He obviously didn't learn from the Kraft ordeal...
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There definitely seems to be three camps on here regarding this situation.
Camp 1: Ride With Baker Til I Die Crew: Hate that Baker lost his job, hate that Deshaun Watson is the new QB.
Camp 2: Well Isn't This Some Shit Crew: Fine with Baker no longer being the starting QB, but not thrilled that he was replaced with Deshaun Watson, due mostly to ethical reasons, but also due to the cost to get Watson.
Camp 3: Happy Days Are Here Again Crew: Thrilled Baker lost his job, thrilled that Deshaun Watson is the new QB.
Nice...but there's a Camp 2.5: Came to the conclusion that Baker is not good enough. Is inspired by the fact that the organization saw it the same way and brought in a statistically superior QB. And quietly has crossed fingers that any legal and/or maturity issues will iron themselves out favorably.
Watson is statistically superior.....but he didn't have to play in the AFC North. Perhaps his completion percentage will change somewhat at his new latitude.
I do agree with the idea that Watson is single, and like me, likes girls. As long as he didn't verbally or physically mistreat any of them, then, in this day and age....... - The thing is, we DON'T know what exactly these girls are saying that he did. What did he say to them when they said no to him? What did he do to them when they said no to him? We know that the Browns organization talked to him and looked into the situation in their own way. And we know that Dee is on the NFL ethics committee. They still went ahead and traded for him. So far, nothing shows that they made the wrong decision....but it's early yet.
ALSO, there may be a Camp 1.5: The people that think that all we gave up, picks and guaranteed money, is too much to give up for most anyone, let alone him.
Nice...but there's a Camp 2.5: Came to the conclusion that Baker is not good enough. Is inspired by the fact that the organization saw it the same way and brought in a statistically superior QB. And quietly has crossed fingers that any legal and/or maturity issues will iron themselves out favorably.
Watson is statistically superior.....but he didn't have to play in the AFC North. Perhaps his completion percentage will change somewhat at his new latitude.
I do agree with the idea that Watson is single, and like me, likes girls. As long as he didn't verbally or physically mistreat any of them, then, in this day and age....... - The thing is, we DON'T know what exactly these girls are saying that he did. What did he say to them when they said no to him? What did he do to them when they said no to him? We know that the Browns organization talked to him and looked into the situation in their own way. And we know that Dee is on the NFL ethics committee. They still went ahead and traded for him. So far, nothing shows that they made the wrong decision....but it's early yet.
ALSO, there may be a Camp 1.5: The people that think that all we gave up, picks and guaranteed money, is too much to give up for most anyone, let alone him.
That's just too many goddamn camps ?
It's a fascinating storyline to follow for years, that's not debatable. I feel the Browns definitely upgraded the most important position in sports with the acquisition of Watson, but am still dumbfounded that the Texans were able to command such a staggering amount of draft picks for a player who could very well be suspended for a big chunk of games, and is such a polarizing player PR-wise. I'm dumbfounded that Watson, under these circumstances, could command a FULLY-GUARANTEED contract like he did. I've said it before, and I agree with others who say it, for this to be worth it, you really have to get a Super Bowl trophy out of it. (Even if I think the Browns with Baker for say the next five years would have had very little chance at a Super Bowl. I think he's hit his ceiling)
One thing that doesn't make sense to me is I keep hearing or reading about how the Browns are stuck with Mayfield because "everyone knows they have to get rid of him and they have no leverage..." If this is so, why weren't the Texans in the same boat with Watson? He sat out the entire season instead of playing for Houston. What leverage did they have?
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Zombo said:
Do you think NFL colleagues give a shit if he is plowing every masseuse in the land?
Have you ever worked with a group of men? You don't lose credibility by having a lot of sex.
Z
Well having worked in the steel industry for over 20 years I can tell you that the subjects of sex and broads do come up.
The NFL colleagues might not care about Watson's sex life -but- it can and has thrown a bad light on our BROWNS.
It's a good thing this thread is about "Browns fans are a confusing bunch.
A lot depends on what happens from here on out.
GO BROWNS !
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Nice...but there's a Camp 2.5: Came to the conclusion that Baker is not good enough. Is inspired by the fact that the organization saw it the same way and brought in a statistically superior QB. And quietly has crossed fingers that any legal and/or maturity issues will iron themselves out favorably.
Watson is statistically superior.....but he didn't have to play in the AFC North. Perhaps his completion percentage will change somewhat at his new latitude.
I do agree with the idea that Watson is single, and like me, likes girls. As long as he didn't verbally or physically mistreat any of them, then, in this day and age....... - The thing is, we DON'T know what exactly these girls are saying that he did. What did he say to them when they said no to him? What did he do to them when they said no to him? We know that the Browns organization talked to him and looked into the situation in their own way. And we know that Dee is on the NFL ethics committee. They still went ahead and traded for him. So far, nothing shows that they made the wrong decision....but it's early yet.
ALSO, there may be a Camp 1.5: The people that think that all we gave up, picks and guaranteed money, is too much to give up for most anyone, let alone him.
That's just too many goddamn camps ?
It's a fascinating storyline to follow for years, that's not debatable. I feel the Browns definitely upgraded the most important position in sports with the acquisition of Watson, but am still dumbfounded that the Texans were able to command such a staggering amount of draft picks for a player who could very well be suspended for a big chunk of games, and is such a polarizing player PR-wise. I'm dumbfounded that Watson, under these circumstances, could command a FULLY-GUARANTEED contract like he did. I've said it before, and I agree with others who say it, for this to be worth it, you really have to get a Super Bowl trophy out of it. (Even if I think the Browns with Baker for say the next five years would have had very little chance at a Super Bowl. I think he's hit his ceiling)
One thing that doesn't make sense to me is I keep hearing or reading about how the Browns are stuck with Mayfield because "everyone knows they have to get rid of him and they have no leverage..." If this is so, why weren't the Texans in the same boat with Watson? He sat out the entire season instead of playing for Houston. What leverage did they have?
That's just too many goddamn camps ?
am still dumbfounded that the Texans were able to command such a staggering amount of draft picks for a player who could very well be suspended for a big chunk of games, and is such a polarizing player PR-wise. I'm dumbfounded that Watson, under these circumstances, could command a FULLY-GUARANTEED contract like he did
Remember, That's what it cost to bring him to CLEVELAND. He doesn't LIKE the north...and there's no dome. Before Cleveland even gets to bat at the bargaining table it's got a couple of strikes against it.
One thing that doesn't make sense to me is I keep hearing or reading about how the Browns are stuck with Mayfield because "everyone knows they have to get rid of him and they have no leverage..." If this is so, why weren't the Texans in the same boat with Watson?
Talent. Watson is perceived to have a lot of it, and Baker right now is not perceived to have all that much. Perception is reality.....until it isn't.
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Zombo said:
Yes.
He's a terrific quarterback.
If your kids don't know that single men like to have sex with single women, then it's time to free them from the compound in Utah where you are holding them.
Z
el wrongo. they don't need to learn about sexual harrassment, civil lawsuits. Remember, the texans wanted him gone and made a killing in draft picks and $$$$$$$$$.
Went to the dentist today, short visit - and the dentist is disgusted with them, and his asst and her husband won't bother watching the browns again.
Hey, a lot of folks around here bashed rapistblogger, so "sleasy" is fair game.
three first round draft picks.
The Browns are never going to live down trading for Watson, to whom they immediately gave a five-year, fully guaranteed contract extension. They groveled at such volume, oozed such desperation ... -
Zombo said:
If all of you snowflakes are so offended by a young man's sex life that you are done with the Browns, then I expect cheap tickets, empty seats and poor ratings for the Browns on Sundays...
That ain't happening!
Oh, the children! The Children! I hope these kids weren't watching the 5 o'clock news when they heard the future President of the United States teach then to "just grab them by the pussy!"
Z
Got to admit that some of you guys go from Puritan to Libertine in the same breath depending on the guy you like or don't like.
I think some of you guys are pissed off at Cal because he was a Josh Allen supporter from the get.
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WSS
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Zombo said:
If all of you snowflakes are so offended by a young man's sex life that you are done with the Browns, then I expect cheap tickets, empty seats and poor ratings for the Browns on Sundays...
That ain't happening!
Oh, the children! The Children! I hope these kids weren't watching the 5 o'clock news when they heard the future President of the United States teach then to "just grab them by the pussy!"
Z
Got to admit that some of you guys go from Puritan to Libertine in the same breath depending on the guy you like or don't like.
I think some of you guys are pissed off at Cal because he was a Josh Allen supporter from the get.
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WSS
Got to admit that cal goes from Puritan to Libertine in the same breath depending on the guy he likes or doesn't like.
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WSS
FIFY
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Zombo said:
When have I ever been Puritan??
If nothing else, I'm consistent.
I'm here to point out the hypocrisy of the Holier Than Thou crowd.
Josh Allen? I could care less about the Bills QB, but Cal certainly loves to smear the Browns QB.
Z
I hear ya. That's why I specifically said some of you guys. But that would get political and if you guys want to play that game come on over to the poly board.
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Nice...but there's a Camp 2.5: Came to the conclusion that Baker is not good enough. Is inspired by the fact that the organization saw it the same way and brought in a statistically superior QB. And quietly has crossed fingers that any legal and/or maturity issues will iron themselves out favorably.
Watson is statistically superior.....but he didn't have to play in the AFC North. Perhaps his completion percentage will change somewhat at his new latitude.
I do agree with the idea that Watson is single, and like me, likes girls. As long as he didn't verbally or physically mistreat any of them, then, in this day and age....... - The thing is, we DON'T know what exactly these girls are saying that he did. What did he say to them when they said no to him? What did he do to them when they said no to him? We know that the Browns organization talked to him and looked into the situation in their own way. And we know that Dee is on the NFL ethics committee. They still went ahead and traded for him. So far, nothing shows that they made the wrong decision....but it's early yet.
ALSO, there may be a Camp 1.5: The people that think that all we gave up, picks and guaranteed money, is too much to give up for most anyone, let alone him.
That's just too many goddamn camps ?
It's a fascinating storyline to follow for years, that's not debatable. I feel the Browns definitely upgraded the most important position in sports with the acquisition of Watson, but am still dumbfounded that the Texans were able to command such a staggering amount of draft picks for a player who could very well be suspended for a big chunk of games, and is such a polarizing player PR-wise. I'm dumbfounded that Watson, under these circumstances, could command a FULLY-GUARANTEED contract like he did. I've said it before, and I agree with others who say it, for this to be worth it, you really have to get a Super Bowl trophy out of it. (Even if I think the Browns with Baker for say the next five years would have had very little chance at a Super Bowl. I think he's hit his ceiling)
One thing that doesn't make sense to me is I keep hearing or reading about how the Browns are stuck with Mayfield because "everyone knows they have to get rid of him and they have no leverage..." If this is so, why weren't the Texans in the same boat with Watson? He sat out the entire season instead of playing for Houston. What leverage did they have?
One thing that doesn't make sense to me is I keep hearing or reading about how the Browns are stuck with Mayfield because "everyone knows they have to get rid of him and they have no leverage..." If this is so, why weren't the Texans in the same boat with Watson? He sat out the entire season instead of playing for Houston. What leverage did they have?
It all boils down to leverage, and the Browns don’t have any.
Berry fucked up by signing Baker’s contract extension BEFORE he went shopping for Mayfield’s replacement.
Other GM’s know this and are waiting for the price to drop.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Welcome to the Playboy football letters to the editor thread, lol.
It's definitely NOT off topic especially the Watson's sex life posts.
The rest of the USA is also watching this stuff.....maybe not the best thing for Cleveland sports.
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