Browns fans are a confusing bunch.
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Zombo said:
If all of you snowflakes are so offended by a young man's sex life that you are done with the Browns, then I expect cheap tickets, empty seats and poor ratings for the Browns on Sundays...
That ain't happening!
Oh, the children! The Children! I hope these kids weren't watching the 5 o'clock news when they heard the future President of the United States teach then to "just grab them by the pussy!"
Z
Got to admit that some of you guys go from Puritan to Libertine in the same breath depending on the guy you like or don't like.
I think some of you guys are pissed off at Cal because he was a Josh Allen supporter from the get.
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WSS
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Zombo said:
If all of you snowflakes are so offended by a young man's sex life that you are done with the Browns, then I expect cheap tickets, empty seats and poor ratings for the Browns on Sundays...
That ain't happening!
Oh, the children! The Children! I hope these kids weren't watching the 5 o'clock news when they heard the future President of the United States teach then to "just grab them by the pussy!"
Z
Got to admit that some of you guys go from Puritan to Libertine in the same breath depending on the guy you like or don't like.
I think some of you guys are pissed off at Cal because he was a Josh Allen supporter from the get.
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WSS
Got to admit that cal goes from Puritan to Libertine in the same breath depending on the guy he likes or doesn't like.
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WSS
FIFY
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Zombo said:
When have I ever been Puritan??
If nothing else, I'm consistent.
I'm here to point out the hypocrisy of the Holier Than Thou crowd.
Josh Allen? I could care less about the Bills QB, but Cal certainly loves to smear the Browns QB.
Z
I hear ya. That's why I specifically said some of you guys. But that would get political and if you guys want to play that game come on over to the poly board.
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Nice...but there's a Camp 2.5: Came to the conclusion that Baker is not good enough. Is inspired by the fact that the organization saw it the same way and brought in a statistically superior QB. And quietly has crossed fingers that any legal and/or maturity issues will iron themselves out favorably.
Watson is statistically superior.....but he didn't have to play in the AFC North. Perhaps his completion percentage will change somewhat at his new latitude.
I do agree with the idea that Watson is single, and like me, likes girls. As long as he didn't verbally or physically mistreat any of them, then, in this day and age....... - The thing is, we DON'T know what exactly these girls are saying that he did. What did he say to them when they said no to him? What did he do to them when they said no to him? We know that the Browns organization talked to him and looked into the situation in their own way. And we know that Dee is on the NFL ethics committee. They still went ahead and traded for him. So far, nothing shows that they made the wrong decision....but it's early yet.
ALSO, there may be a Camp 1.5: The people that think that all we gave up, picks and guaranteed money, is too much to give up for most anyone, let alone him.
That's just too many goddamn camps ?
It's a fascinating storyline to follow for years, that's not debatable. I feel the Browns definitely upgraded the most important position in sports with the acquisition of Watson, but am still dumbfounded that the Texans were able to command such a staggering amount of draft picks for a player who could very well be suspended for a big chunk of games, and is such a polarizing player PR-wise. I'm dumbfounded that Watson, under these circumstances, could command a FULLY-GUARANTEED contract like he did. I've said it before, and I agree with others who say it, for this to be worth it, you really have to get a Super Bowl trophy out of it. (Even if I think the Browns with Baker for say the next five years would have had very little chance at a Super Bowl. I think he's hit his ceiling)
One thing that doesn't make sense to me is I keep hearing or reading about how the Browns are stuck with Mayfield because "everyone knows they have to get rid of him and they have no leverage..." If this is so, why weren't the Texans in the same boat with Watson? He sat out the entire season instead of playing for Houston. What leverage did they have?
One thing that doesn't make sense to me is I keep hearing or reading about how the Browns are stuck with Mayfield because "everyone knows they have to get rid of him and they have no leverage..." If this is so, why weren't the Texans in the same boat with Watson? He sat out the entire season instead of playing for Houston. What leverage did they have?
It all boils down to leverage, and the Browns don’t have any.
Berry fucked up by signing Baker’s contract extension BEFORE he went shopping for Mayfield’s replacement.
Other GM’s know this and are waiting for the price to drop.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Welcome to the Playboy football letters to the editor thread, lol.
It's definitely NOT off topic especially the Watson's sex life posts.
The rest of the USA is also watching this stuff.....maybe not the best thing for Cleveland sports.
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One thing that doesn't make sense to me is I keep hearing or reading about how the Browns are stuck with Mayfield because "everyone knows they have to get rid of him and they have no leverage..." If this is so, why weren't the Texans in the same boat with Watson? He sat out the entire season instead of playing for Houston. What leverage did they have?
It all boils down to leverage, and the Browns don’t have any.
Berry fucked up by signing Baker’s contract extension BEFORE he went shopping for Mayfield’s replacement.
Other GM’s know this and are waiting for the price to drop.
It all boils down to leverage, and the Browns don’t have any.
Berry fucked up by signing Baker’s contract extension BEFORE he went shopping for Mayfield’s replacement.
Other GM’s know this and are waiting for the price to drop. <--- that's it !
Leverage in contracts or sports negotiations or politics or anything like that is very important !
If you lose leverage you're screwed.
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Zombo said:
Lol ... No Thanks!
Z
then some of you guys could stop bringing up the other board here, ya?
and, it isn't about his private parts - I bashed the squealers qb all this time, why would I ignore the sluttiness of sleazy?
it isn't just hanky panky with women - it's the offense of harrassment etc.
Just like rapistblogger - it's the offense.
I'm not telling anyone to think differently - but it always seems certain people get enraged when they can't control the narrative. Not necessarily, you, Zombo, but I think several of us know who they are.
and you keep bringing the political figures indiscretions - many, many times I have said - I did not like him early on. But like Hunt - he changed.
"sleazy" is sleazy and apparently will never change.
and, get it right - I never said I was done with the Browns. That is what is snowflake.
I said I will have better things to do than to spend all my time this fall watching their games. I'm done with that. My choice.
It's pretty snowflakish to be afraid of the other board - but keep bringing it up over there where you have better numbers.
Just sayin......
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Zombo said:
Do you think NFL colleagues give a shit if he is plowing every masseuse in the land?
Have you ever worked with a group of men? You don't lose credibility by having a lot of sex.
Z
Something is at least a little bit fishy in some of those lawsuits Z. Did whoever think Watson was flying her in to a swank hotel just so they could watch Hallmark movies?
And now she's revolted that DW allegedly beat off in front of her? Might have a bad look, but if you want worse I'll give you the NBA.
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One thing that doesn't make sense to me is I keep hearing or reading about how the Browns are stuck with Mayfield because "everyone knows they have to get rid of him and they have no leverage..." If this is so, why weren't the Texans in the same boat with Watson? He sat out the entire season instead of playing for Houston. What leverage did they have?
It all boils down to leverage, and the Browns don’t have any.
Berry fucked up by signing Baker’s contract extension BEFORE he went shopping for Mayfield’s replacement.
Other GM’s know this and are waiting for the price to drop.
Berry fucked up by signing Baker’s contract extension BEFORE he went shopping for Mayfield’s replacement.
I think that if he KNEW they would land Watson, he wouldn't have extended him.
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Zombo said:
Do you think NFL colleagues give a shit if he is plowing every masseuse in the land?
Have you ever worked with a group of men? You don't lose credibility by having a lot of sex.
Z
Something is at least a little bit fishy in some of those lawsuits Z. Did whoever think Watson was flying her in to a swank hotel just so they could watch Hallmark movies?
And now she's revolted that DW allegedly beat off in front of her? Might have a bad look, but if you want worse I'll give you the NBA.
Something is at least a little bit fishy in some of those lawsuits Z. Did whoever think Watson was flying her in to a swank hotel just so they could watch Hallmark movies?
And now she's revolted that DW allegedly beat off in front of her? Might have a bad look, but if you want worse I'll give you the NBA.
Yes for a really bad example just go to the NBA .
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Berry fucked up by signing Baker’s contract extension BEFORE he went shopping for Mayfield’s replacement.
I think that if he KNEW they would land Watson, he wouldn't have extended him.
I think that if he KNEW they would land Watson, he wouldn't have extended him.
a good indication that haslam intervened late. It was a very stupid move.
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Zombo said:
Lol ... No Thanks!
Z
then some of you guys could stop bringing up the other board here, ya?
and, it isn't about his private parts - I bashed the squealers qb all this time, why would I ignore the sluttiness of sleazy?
it isn't just hanky panky with women - it's the offense of harrassment etc.
Just like rapistblogger - it's the offense.
I'm not telling anyone to think differently - but it always seems certain people get enraged when they can't control the narrative. Not necessarily, you, Zombo, but I think several of us know who they are.
and you keep bringing the political figures indiscretions - many, many times I have said - I did not like him early on. But like Hunt - he changed.
"sleazy" is sleazy and apparently will never change.
and, get it right - I never said I was done with the Browns. That is what is snowflake.
I said I will have better things to do than to spend all my time this fall watching their games. I'm done with that. My choice.
It's pretty snowflakish to be afraid of the other board - but keep bringing it up over there where you have better numbers.
Just sayin......
then some of you guys could stop bringing up the other board here, ya?
and, it isn't about his private parts - I bashed the squealers qb all this time, why would I ignore the sluttiness of sleazy?
it isn't just hanky panky with women - it's the offense of harrassment etc.
Just like rapistblogger - it's the offense.
I'm not telling anyone to think differently - but it always seems certain people get enraged when they can't control the narrative. Not necessarily, you, Zombo, but I think several of us know who they are.
and you keep bringing the political figures indiscretions - many, many times I have said - I did not like him early on. But like Hunt - he changed.
"sleazy" is sleazy and apparently will never change.
and, get it right - I never said I was done with the Browns. That is what is snowflake.
I said I will have better things to do than to spend all my time this fall watching their games. I'm done with that. My choice.
It's pretty snowflakish to be afraid of the other board - but keep bringing it up over there where you have better numbers.
Just sayin......
So many contradictory statements in all that mish mash. Who'd a thunk it.?
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Zombo said:
Lol ... No Thanks!
Z
then some of you guys could stop bringing up the other board here, ya?
and, it isn't about his private parts - I bashed the squealers qb all this time, why would I ignore the sluttiness of sleazy?
it isn't just hanky panky with women - it's the offense of harrassment etc.
Just like rapistblogger - it's the offense.
I'm not telling anyone to think differently - but it always seems certain people get enraged when they can't control the narrative. Not necessarily, you, Zombo, but I think several of us know who they are.
and you keep bringing the political figures indiscretions - many, many times I have said - I did not like him early on. But like Hunt - he changed.
"sleazy" is sleazy and apparently will never change.
and, get it right - I never said I was done with the Browns. That is what is snowflake.
I said I will have better things to do than to spend all my time this fall watching their games. I'm done with that. My choice.
It's pretty snowflakish to be afraid of the other board - but keep bringing it up over there where you have better numbers.
Just sayin......
1) then some of you guys could stop bringing up the other board here, ya?
and, it isn't about his private parts - I bashed the squealers qb all this time, why would I ignore the sluttiness of sleazy?
it isn't just hanky panky with women - it's the offense of harrassment etc.
Just like rapistblogger - it's the offense.
I'm not telling anyone to think differently - but it always seems certain people get enraged when they can't control the narrative. Not necessarily, you, Zombo, but I think several of us know who they are.
2) and you keep bringing the political figures indiscretions - many, many times I have said - I did not like him early on. But like Hunt - he changed.
"sleazy" is sleazy and apparently will never change.
and, get it right - I never said I was done with the Browns. That is what is snowflake.
I said I will have better things to do than to spend all my time this fall watching their games. I'm done with that. My choice.
3) It's pretty snowflakish to be afraid of the other board - but keep bringing it up over here where you have better numbers.
Just sayin......
1) be glad to... but since you want to have your typical last word in....
2) Incidentally I believe Ben has changed too, family man and all that. If he's still a sleaze, well by golly- a certain political figure is still one too.. Can I spell it for you? It's Called h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y. Oh, and if Hunt changed, do you want to tell me Watson can't change either? LOL!!!!
3) Yes Cal, please run off to your safe space where the lack of moderation allows you to call posters Woodpeckers or Drunks if you don't agree with their POV. Really, it's not "Discussion" it's what anyone with a couple unbiased functioning neurons would call a one sided "Diatribe". Sprinkled in with a a regular dosage of crackpot conspiracy theories. Frankly, it gets ever more embarrassing, and should be done away with.
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1) then some of you guys could stop bringing up the other board here, ya?
and, it isn't about his private parts - I bashed the squealers qb all this time, why would I ignore the sluttiness of sleazy?
it isn't just hanky panky with women - it's the offense of harrassment etc.
Just like rapistblogger - it's the offense.
I'm not telling anyone to think differently - but it always seems certain people get enraged when they can't control the narrative. Not necessarily, you, Zombo, but I think several of us know who they are.
2) and you keep bringing the political figures indiscretions - many, many times I have said - I did not like him early on. But like Hunt - he changed.
"sleazy" is sleazy and apparently will never change.
and, get it right - I never said I was done with the Browns. That is what is snowflake.
I said I will have better things to do than to spend all my time this fall watching their games. I'm done with that. My choice.
3) It's pretty snowflakish to be afraid of the other board - but keep bringing it up over here where you have better numbers.
Just sayin......
1) be glad to... but since you want to have your typical last word in....
2) Incidentally I believe Ben has changed too, family man and all that. If he's still a sleaze, well by golly- a certain political figure is still one too.. Can I spell it for you? It's Called h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y. Oh, and if Hunt changed, do you want to tell me Watson can't change either? LOL!!!!
3) Yes Cal, please run off to your safe space where the lack of moderation allows you to call posters Woodpeckers or Drunks if you don't agree with their POV. Really, it's not "Discussion" it's what anyone with a couple unbiased functioning neurons would call a one sided "Diatribe". Sprinkled in with a a regular dosage of crackpot conspiracy theories. Frankly, it gets ever more embarrassing, and should be done away with.
Oh, and if Hunt changed, do you want to tell me Watson can't change either? LOL!!!!
I wish you guys would keep the politics out of here.
But to that one point of course he could change,(or at least stumble through a prepared Mia culpa)
Have you heard him say anything even resembling that? (Even if that soliloquy at the end of Rocky 4 was one of the most embarrassing pieces of moviedom ever.)
(And to be fair if all 22 chicks and the other 10 criminal accusations are downright lies he probably shouldn't.)
WSS
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Berry fucked up by signing Baker’s contract extension BEFORE he went shopping for Mayfield’s replacement.
I think that if he KNEW they would land Watson, he wouldn't have extended him.
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One thing that doesn't make sense to me is I keep hearing or reading about how the Browns are stuck with Mayfield because "everyone knows they have to get rid of him and they have no leverage..." If this is so, why weren't the Texans in the same boat with Watson? He sat out the entire season instead of playing for Houston. What leverage did they have?
It all boils down to leverage, and the Browns don’t have any.
Berry fucked up by signing Baker’s contract extension BEFORE he went shopping for Mayfield’s replacement.
Other GM’s know this and are waiting for the price to drop.
It all boils down to leverage, and the Browns don’t have any.
Berry fucked up by signing Baker’s contract extension BEFORE he went shopping for Mayfield’s replacement.
Other GM’s know this and are waiting for the price to drop.
What leverage did the Texans have?
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It all boils down to leverage, and the Browns don’t have any.
Berry fucked up by signing Baker’s contract extension BEFORE he went shopping for Mayfield’s replacement.
Other GM’s know this and are waiting for the price to drop.
What leverage did the Texans have?
What leverage did the Texans have?
To be honest, I don’t know all of the sordid details regarding Watson and the Texans FO.
I’m not sure if he was paid for not playing, or maybe he had pictures of some big shot in a compromising situation.
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What leverage did the Texans have?
To be honest, I don’t know all of the sordid details regarding Watson and the Texans FO.
I’m not sure if he was paid for not playing, or maybe he had pictures of some big shot in a compromising situation.
To be honest, I don’t know all of the sordid details regarding Watson and the Texans FO.
I’m not sure if he was paid for not playing, or maybe he had pictures of some big shot in a compromising situation.
And that's my point - the Texans should have had no more leverage with Watson than the Browns do with Baker.
Watson was never playing for Houston again, and the Browns have no use for Baker. Plus, regardless of how talented Watson is, he was a PR-disaster, yet, three first rounders, a third rounder and two fourth rounders just lolly-gagged their way from Cleveland to Houston. (That's right - I said lolly-gagged.)
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