Roe versus Wade off the books
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I wonder if the regression will stop here and voters will mobilize or if we will continue to move in the direction we seem to be going.
Will we get more and more divided, especially across certain states?
Would hate to be a female in any of the states about to jump backwards 50 years. What will be pulled next? What can they "states' rights" next?
You would have to give me a list of specific issues but I am not opposed to states rights. Because it was detrimental to my personal profession I was opposed to the FED forcing Ohio to raise the drinking age to 21. Something Reagan did that pissed me off. You regurgitate poll after poll after poll about the opinions of Americans on abortion. Not a huge fluctuation but it does go up and down. You know my opinion. As for myself I think that the people that think it should be illegal in all cases or a little bit less crazy than the people like the ones out in California who think it should be legal up to a week after birth. I just think that's sick.
And to be quite honest I'm surprised that someone who claims to be as mentally Superior to everyone else you don't see this "leak" for the Democrat Party dirty trick that it is. Meant for nothing other than to get crazy people out in the street burning s*** down.
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You would have to give me a list of specific issues but I am not opposed to states rights. Because it was detrimental to my personal profession I was opposed to the FED forcing Ohio to raise the drinking age to 21. Something Reagan did that pissed me off. You regurgitate poll after poll after poll about the opinions of Americans on abortion. Not a huge fluctuation but it does go up and down. You know my opinion. As for myself I think that the people that think it should be illegal in all cases or a little bit less crazy than the people like the ones out in California who think it should be legal up to a week after birth. I just think that's sick.
And to be quite honest I'm surprised that someone who claims to be as mentally Superior to everyone else you don't see this "leak" for the Democrat Party dirty trick that it is. Meant for nothing other than to get crazy people out in the street burning s*** down.
WSS
I already stated the leak was done to drum up voting support. It's an attempt to mobilize the base. Whoever did it should get whatever punishment they have coming to them (probably ruins their career, but idk if it's illegal).
But the topic at hand here is much bigger than the leak. The right is going on and on about the leak because it's the next thing to be mad at and to be reactionary about. It's nothing in comparison to repealing Roe v Wade though.
If you're referring to the same thing cal was there isn't a law out in Cali that wants to make abortion legal 7 days after birth. I can't believe people are believing that. The law is a protection so the parents can't be prosecuted for miscarriages or death shortly after birth due to pregnancy complications. Because nuts on the right would want to charge a woman for murder immediately after the worst moment of her life.... What cal has been vomiting around is just Facebook level misinformation.
Polls are fairly consistent that the majority of Americans didn't want this repealed. That's the point of the poll.
I tend to go with data and polls, not anecdotes...
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You would have to give me a list of specific issues but I am not opposed to states rights. Because it was detrimental to my personal profession I was opposed to the FED forcing Ohio to raise the drinking age to 21. Something Reagan did that pissed me off. You regurgitate poll after poll after poll about the opinions of Americans on abortion. Not a huge fluctuation but it does go up and down. You know my opinion. As for myself I think that the people that think it should be illegal in all cases or a little bit less crazy than the people like the ones out in California who think it should be legal up to a week after birth. I just think that's sick.
And to be quite honest I'm surprised that someone who claims to be as mentally Superior to everyone else you don't see this "leak" for the Democrat Party dirty trick that it is. Meant for nothing other than to get crazy people out in the street burning s*** down.
WSS
I already stated the leak was done to drum up voting support. It's an attempt to mobilize the base. Whoever did it should get whatever punishment they have coming to them (probably ruins their career, but idk if it's illegal).
But the topic at hand here is much bigger than the leak. The right is going on and on about the leak because it's the next thing to be mad at and to be reactionary about. It's nothing in comparison to repealing Roe v Wade though.
If you're referring to the same thing cal was there isn't a law out in Cali that wants to make abortion legal 7 days after birth. I can't believe people are believing that. The law is a protection so the parents can't be prosecuted for miscarriages or death shortly after birth due to pregnancy complications. Because nuts on the right would want to charge a woman for murder immediately after the worst moment of her life.... What cal has been vomiting around is just Facebook level misinformation.
Polls are fairly consistent that the majority of Americans didn't want this repealed. That's the point of the poll.
I tend to go with data and polls, not anecdotes...
I already stated the leak was done to drum up voting support. It's an attempt to mobilize the base. Whoever did it should get whatever punishment they have coming to them (probably ruins their career, but idk if it's illegal).
But the topic at hand here is much bigger than the leak. The right is going on and on about the leak because it's the next thing to be mad at and to be reactionary about. It's nothing in comparison to repealing Roe v Wade though.
If you're referring to the same thing cal was there isn't a law out in Cali that wants to make abortion legal 7 days after birth. I can't believe people are believing that. The law is a protection so the parents can't be prosecuted for miscarriages or death shortly after birth due to pregnancy complications. Because nuts on the right would want to charge a woman for murder immediately after the worst moment of her life.... What cal has been vomiting around is just Facebook level misinformation.
Polls are fairly consistent that the majority of Americans didn't want this repealed. That's the point of the poll.
I tend to go with data and polls, not anecdotes...
1 Well good.
2 the next thing to be mad about? Democratic dirty tricks are pretty consistent. And the fact that the bulk of the media and folks like you have their back it's certainly worth being mad about.
3 yes the one week after birth is pretty f***** up. If you can't bring yourself to admit that... and no it isn't a law. Complete ban of abortion is not a law. But there are people that support both sides and I think the week after option is insane. And while Facebook may love misinformation so does Twitter so does the New York Times so does etc etc etc
4 go with whatever suits your purpose. In this case it's the strawman. But I would say an actual vote should trump a poll and that is where the rubber meets the road.
WSS
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I already stated the leak was done to drum up voting support. It's an attempt to mobilize the base. Whoever did it should get whatever punishment they have coming to them (probably ruins their career, but idk if it's illegal).
But the topic at hand here is much bigger than the leak. The right is going on and on about the leak because it's the next thing to be mad at and to be reactionary about. It's nothing in comparison to repealing Roe v Wade though.
If you're referring to the same thing cal was there isn't a law out in Cali that wants to make abortion legal 7 days after birth. I can't believe people are believing that. The law is a protection so the parents can't be prosecuted for miscarriages or death shortly after birth due to pregnancy complications. Because nuts on the right would want to charge a woman for murder immediately after the worst moment of her life.... What cal has been vomiting around is just Facebook level misinformation.
Polls are fairly consistent that the majority of Americans didn't want this repealed. That's the point of the poll.
I tend to go with data and polls, not anecdotes...
1 Well good.
2 the next thing to be mad about? Democratic dirty tricks are pretty consistent. And the fact that the bulk of the media and folks like you have their back it's certainly worth being mad about.
3 yes the one week after birth is pretty f***** up. If you can't bring yourself to admit that... and no it isn't a law. Complete ban of abortion is not a law. But there are people that support both sides and I think the week after option is insane. And while Facebook may love misinformation so does Twitter so does the New York Times so does etc etc etc
4 go with whatever suits your purpose. In this case it's the strawman. But I would say an actual vote should trump a poll and that is where the rubber meets the road.
WSS
1 Well good.
2 the next thing to be mad about? Democratic dirty tricks are pretty consistent. And the fact that the bulk of the media and folks like you have their back it's certainly worth being mad about.
3 yes the one week after birth is pretty f***** up. If you can't bring yourself to admit that... and no it isn't a law. Complete ban of abortion is not a law. But there are people that support both sides and I think the week after option is insane. And while Facebook may love misinformation so does Twitter so does the New York Times so does etc etc etc
4 go with whatever suits your purpose. In this case it's the strawman. But I would say an actual vote should trump a poll and that is where the rubber meets the road.
WSS
2. The right just exists to be reactionary, and it's working. From an execution and organization standpoint Republicans are killed Democrats. Everyone was mad about CRT, then it was "groomers", now it's the leaker. Whatever keeps their base going, even if it's at best irrelevant and at worst regressing the country.
3. I'm saying the proposed law doesn't exists. No legislature is trying to make one week after birth abortions legal. The frenzy being created is from misinterpretations (willful or not) of the law and then a rage based algorithm backed by misinformation.
4. Then we should have an actual vote on this particular issue, which we haven't. Trump winning 6 years ago doesn't mean most people support repealing of roe now.
And yes Steve, I get how our representation based democratic system is supposed to work. But it's a fact that it doesn't always match up with the actual will of the people.
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Hearing that California wants to make abortion legal 7 days after birth is news to this SoCal resident.
Are there people or groups quoted somewhere as wanting such a thing? Probably, but trust me when I tell you that 'making abortion legal 7 days after birth' is simply not a thing that any sane person is talking about here.
Now letting the homeless do whatever the fuck they want, now that's something that is celebrated here by our honorable and trusted servants of the public.
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7 days after birth? That can't be true. Not even for CA.
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1 Well good.
2 the next thing to be mad about? Democratic dirty tricks are pretty consistent. And the fact that the bulk of the media and folks like you have their back it's certainly worth being mad about.
3 yes the one week after birth is pretty f***** up. If you can't bring yourself to admit that... and no it isn't a law. Complete ban of abortion is not a law. But there are people that support both sides and I think the week after option is insane. And while Facebook may love misinformation so does Twitter so does the New York Times so does etc etc etc
4 go with whatever suits your purpose. In this case it's the strawman. But I would say an actual vote should trump a poll and that is where the rubber meets the road.
WSS
2. The right just exists to be reactionary, and it's working. From an execution and organization standpoint Republicans are killed Democrats. Everyone was mad about CRT, then it was "groomers", now it's the leaker. Whatever keeps their base going, even if it's at best irrelevant and at worst regressing the country.
3. I'm saying the proposed law doesn't exists. No legislature is trying to make one week after birth abortions legal. The frenzy being created is from misinterpretations (willful or not) of the law and then a rage based algorithm backed by misinformation.
4. Then we should have an actual vote on this particular issue, which we haven't. Trump winning 6 years ago doesn't mean most people support repealing of roe now.
And yes Steve, I get how our representation based democratic system is supposed to work. But it's a fact that it doesn't always match up with the actual will of the people.
2. The right just exists to be reactionary, and it's working. From an execution and organization standpoint Republicans are killed Democrats. Everyone was mad about CRT, then it was "groomers", now it's the leaker. Whatever keeps their base going, even if it's at best irrelevant and at worst regressing the country.
3. I'm saying the proposed law doesn't exists. No legislature is trying to make one week after birth abortions legal. The frenzy being created is from misinterpretations (willful or not) of the law and then a rage based algorithm backed by misinformation.
4. Then we should have an actual vote on this particular issue, which we haven't. Trump winning 6 years ago doesn't mean most people support repealing of roe now.
And yes Steve, I get how our representation based democratic system is supposed to work. But it's a fact that it doesn't always match up with the actual will of the people.
Probably wasted enough time bickering about some shit we are at least close to the same opinion of. Anyway I just had to laugh out loud at the accusations of the Republicans in your first paragraph. Absolutely no reason whatsoever to think that whatever Sam Alito had in his opinion meant that the new Supreme Court especially with Whoopi was going to overturn Roe v Wade. And it's not the Republicans that are burning down the cities now it's your people. The Biden voters, the crack pots lunatics BLM loyalists anarchists Etc IOW Democrats, the ones who this illegal act was meant to stir up.
WSS
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Hearing that California wants to make abortion legal 7 days after birth is news to this SoCal resident.
Are there people or groups quoted somewhere as wanting such a thing? Probably, but trust me when I tell you that 'making abortion legal 7 days after birth' is simply not a thing that any sane person is talking about here.
Now letting the homeless do whatever the fuck they want, now that's something that is celebrated here by our honorable and trusted servants of the public.
Hearing that California wants to make abortion legal 7 days after birth is news to this SoCal resident.
Are there people or groups quoted somewhere as wanting such a thing? Probably, but trust me when I tell you that 'making abortion legal 7 days after birth' is simply not a thing that any sane person is talking about here.
Now letting the homeless do whatever the fuck they want, now that's something that is celebrated here by our honorable and trusted servants of the public.
7 days after birth? That can't be true. Not even for CA.
It isn't true.
But that isn't stopping morons from believing it
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
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Some data for perspective
% of abortions by trimester:
- 1st - 92.7%
- 2nd - 6.2%
- 3rd - <1%
https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm
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Hearing that California wants to make abortion legal 7 days after birth is news to this SoCal resident.
Are there people or groups quoted somewhere as wanting such a thing? Probably, but trust me when I tell you that 'making abortion legal 7 days after birth' is simply not a thing that any sane person is talking about here.
Now letting the homeless do whatever the fuck they want, now that's something that is celebrated here by our honorable and trusted servants of the public.
7 days after birth? That can't be true. Not even for CA.
It isn't true.
But that isn't stopping morons from believing it
It isn't true.
But that isn't stopping morons from believing it
"Under California AB 2223, a mother will be shielded from civil and criminal charges for any ‘actions or omissions’ related to her pregnancy," the post read. "These actions include not only abortion in any stage of pregnancy, but also ‘perinatal death.’ Perinatal death is defined as the death of a newborn up to seven days or more."
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If only those women were high school students the Gaetz could take across state lines and pay to have sex with him
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It isn't true.
But that isn't stopping morons from believing it
"Under California AB 2223, a mother will be shielded from civil and criminal charges for any ‘actions or omissions’ related to her pregnancy," the post read. "These actions include not only abortion in any stage of pregnancy, but also ‘perinatal death.’ Perinatal death is defined as the death of a newborn up to seven days or more."
"Under California AB 2223, a mother will be shielded from civil and criminal charges for any ‘actions or omissions’ related to her pregnancy," the post read. "These actions include not only abortion in any stage of pregnancy, but also ‘perinatal death.’ Perinatal death is defined as the death of a newborn up to seven days or more."
Our rulingA post claimed a proposed California bill "would allow mothers to kill their babies up to 7 days after birth."
It does not. The bill is meant to ensure that people are not investigated, prosecuted or incarcerated for ending a pregnancy, experiencing pregnancy loss or for losing a baby after it is born due to pregnancy-related causes, according to the lawmaker who introduced it.
A judge would use that legislative intent to help interpret any ambiguity in the law if it were passed.
We rate this claim False.
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"Under California AB 2223, a mother will be shielded from civil and criminal charges for any ‘actions or omissions’ related to her pregnancy," the post read. "These actions include not only abortion in any stage of pregnancy, but also ‘perinatal death.’ Perinatal death is defined as the death of a newborn up to seven days or more."
Our rulingA post claimed a proposed California bill "would allow mothers to kill their babies up to 7 days after birth."
It does not. The bill is meant to ensure that people are not investigated, prosecuted or incarcerated for ending a pregnancy, experiencing pregnancy loss or for losing a baby after it is born due to pregnancy-related causes, according to the lawmaker who introduced it.
A judge would use that legislative intent to help interpret any ambiguity in the law if it were passed.
We rate this claim False.
Our rulingA post claimed a proposed California bill "would allow mothers to kill their babies up to 7 days after birth."
It does not. The bill is meant to ensure that people are not investigated, prosecuted or incarcerated for ending a pregnancy, experiencing pregnancy loss or for losing a baby after it is born due to pregnancy-related causes, according to the lawmaker who introduced it.
A judge would use that legislative intent to help interpret any ambiguity in the law if it were passed.
We rate this claim False.
"Under California AB 2223, a mother will be shielded from civil and criminal charges for any ‘actions or omissions’ related to her pregnancy," the post read. "These actions include not only abortion in any stage of pregnancy, but also ‘perinatal death.’ Perinatal death is defined as the death of a newborn up to seven days or more."
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Our ruling
A post claimed a proposed California bill "would allow mothers to kill their babies up to 7 days after birth."
It does not. The bill is meant to ensure that people are not investigated, prosecuted or incarcerated for ending a pregnancy, experiencing pregnancy loss or for losing a baby after it is born due to pregnancy-related causes, according to the lawmaker who introduced it.
A judge would use that legislative intent to help interpret any ambiguity in the law if it were passed.
We rate this claim False.
"Under California AB 2223, a mother will be shielded from civil and criminal charges for any ‘actions or omissions’ related to her pregnancy," the post read. "These actions include not only abortion in any stage of pregnancy, but also ‘perinatal death.’ Perinatal death is defined as the death of a newborn up to seven days or more."
"Under California AB 2223, a mother will be shielded from civil and criminal charges for any ‘actions or omissions’ related to her pregnancy," the post read. "These actions include not only abortion in any stage of pregnancy, but also ‘perinatal death.’ Perinatal death is defined as the death of a newborn up to seven days or more."
Wrong.
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"Under California AB 2223, a mother will be shielded from civil and criminal charges for any ‘actions or omissions’ related to her pregnancy," the post read. "These actions include not only abortion in any stage of pregnancy, but also ‘perinatal death.’ Perinatal death is defined as the death of a newborn up to seven days or more."
Wrong.
Wrong.
Democratic Analysis: California Bill Could Have Legalized ‘Death Of A Newborn For Any Reason,’ Including Murder
Pro-life advocates who warned a California bill could have legalized infanticide have been proven right, according to an analysis produced by the Democrat-dominated state Assembly.
California Assembly Bill 2223, introduced by Assemblywoman Buffy Wicks (D-Oakland), would have forbidden law enforcement from charging any woman for any action or inaction that affects her “pregnancy outcome, including miscarriage, stillbirth, or abortion, or perinatal death.” According to some analysis, the perinatal period could extend weeks after birth.
The bill has since been amended to note that for a “perinatal death” to be covered under the law, the death needed to be “due to a pregnancy-related cause.”
Critics initially warned that the bill’s overly vague language would have decriminalized infanticide — a concern they still hold, despite the revision...
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The daughter or mistress of a wealthy Republican politician still have access to abortions. This hurts those less fortunate in red states. This won't reduce abortions, it will just reduce the number of safe abortions.
And the group yelling "pro life" I'm sure isn't turning around and looking for ways to support that life once it is born. Anti-big govt group using big govt to dictate what someone can do with their body behind the guise of the sanctity of life but then refusing to use that same govt to create social programs to support that life... just posturing
It is crazy to see how much this country has regressed the last few years. It is worrying to think how much further it will go. Looking at opinion polls on this topic I hope it is one of the last gasps by boomers but who knows. You don't need to be a majority to decide what gets done, you just need to get into power and then make the rules.
This won't reduce abortions, it will just reduce the number of safe abortions.
Banning ___________ won't do anything to stop _____________
I swear I have heard this logic before, but I can't quite put my trigger finger on it. ?
I wonder if the regression will stop here and voters will mobilize or if we will continue to move in the direction we seem to be going.
Will we get more and more divided, especially across certain states?
Would hate to be a female in any of the states about to jump backwards 50 years. What will be pulled next? What can they "states' rights" next?
I've always been pro-choice. Still am. However, I'm more and more starting to understand the states' rights side of the argument. The overall poll numbers skew toward the cities, which heavily lean liberal. I don't want policies that the average New Yorker wants to dictate what the average Clevelander gets. Giving rights to the states is a beautiful compromise baked into the Constitution.
If Roe v Wade got overturned tomorrow, blue states would loosen abortion laws, while red states would restrict them. Across the country, I feel like this would average out. While it's economically retarded to ban abortions, the states should retain the right to do so. Personally, I am okay with that tradeoff if it means less coastal voters moving here to escape the policies that they voted in. I don't want to move to a state with draconian gun laws, and coastal snoots don't want to live in states with draconian abortion laws.
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I generally try to look at the big picture and gauge how policy will influence life as we know it over time. I’m not really a “life is precious” kinda guy. There aren’t too many of us that are irreplaceable. The important thing is that we make a positive impact with the time that we do have.
I get the immoral argument over abortion, and even though l’m not a “life is previous” dude, l can see how disheartening it is to snuff out potential. Who knows, that fetus coulda been the person who found a cure for cancer.
But that fetus could also be the person who steals your car 20 years from now. And really, if l was a betting man, if a woman is so desperate to not bring a child into the world that she is considering abortion, how good of an upbringing do you think that kid will have if she is forced to bear it? I’m guessing her familial support system sucks, and her mental and emotional foundation is lacking.
I think it’s fair to say that any woman willing to get an abortion is going to have an uphill battle in being a parent. I love a good “against all odds” success story as much as the next guy, but l’m pretty sure statistics will show that kids brought up by parents that are unable or unwilling to provide a certain baseline level of physical and emotional support for the child are going to have a higher likelihood of being a burden on society. It’s awful to say, but in some instances getting an abortion may be for the greater good.
If you consider that both time and money are resources, and that it takes a considerable amount of both to healthily raise a child, if the parent(s) and/or family are lacking in either then the burden to make up the difference falls on the collective we. So by lobbying to eliminate abortion, you are basically volunteering all of us to carry a greater load in raising all the future unwanted babies, which will most likely take the form of more taxes and government involvement.
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