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Bud Grant: NFL should toughen up, reduce fair catches and kneeldowns

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    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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    Zombo said:

    Totally thought he was dead.

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    I totally would have lost all bets on that one, just turned 95 last Friday.   6' 3" tough dude. 

    Harry Peter "Bud" Grant Jr. is a former head coach and player of American football, Canadian football, and a former player in the National Basketball Association. Wikipedia
    Born: May 20, 1927 (age 95 years), Superior, WI
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      gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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      "Alex... Give me Bud Grant's still alive at 95... for $600" ?

      The last Bud Grant stories, aware of, was Bud's famous yearly Garage Sales.

      .https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/may/18/former-vikings-coach-bud-grant-runs-disciplined-ga/

      We should all hope for that kind of sharp thinking mind at age 95... Well Done Coach Grant ! this era of paid players, just don't get what the real NFL was like... 

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        Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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            gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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            I could see the 5 yard fair catch rule being a constant booth review/challenge... gunners don't watch where the ball is likely to land..

            but stopping both's momentum with both restarting? 5-6 yards away? I don't watch the CFL.. Does it work? 

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              Constrain The Elderly?

              You know how Woody feels about the older generations.

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                Constrain The Elderly?

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                @gorka said:

                Constrain The Elderly?

                You know how Woody feels about the older generations.

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                  Constrain The Elderly?

                  You know how Woody feels about the older generations.

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                  GorkaG Gorka wrote on last edited by Gorka
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                  @westside-steve said:

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                  Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) is a degenerative brain disease found in athletes.

                  So forcing a team to go all out instead of taking a knee that last minute increases the risk?

                  Didn't the NFL just add an entire game Woody?

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                    OK I found it.

                    Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) is a degenerative brain disease found in athletes.

                    So forcing a team to go all out instead of taking a knee that last minute increases the risk?

                    Didn't the NFL just add an entire game Woody?

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                    @gorka said:

                    OK I found it.

                    Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) is a degenerative brain disease found in athletes.

                    So forcing a team to go all out instead of taking a knee that last minute increases the risk?

                    Didn't the NFL just add an entire game Woody?

                    Don't muddle this thread with facts. Nobody likes that guy. 

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                        Bud Grant was/is a thick headed hard-ass.   Frozen outdoor games in Minnesota.....the opponents could have heaters on the sidelines to thaw their feet and hands.....but not the Vikings....nope.....thick-head wouldn't allow them on his Vikings half of the sidelines.  YOU'LL STAY WITH FROZEN FINGERS AND TOES....AND LIKE IT!!

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                          Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                          Here's Bud Grant, playing for the Eagles vs the Browns, 1952.

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                            mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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                            Bud Winnipeg Blue Bombers End 1953.

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                              Bud was a tough SOB.  A few years back he went out for a coin flip outdoors when it was -6 outside.

                              Not sure why the game was outdoors then...maybe it was when the Dome up there collapsed under the weight or snow, or maybe it was rain and had to close for a period of time for repairs..

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                                Bud was a tough SOB.  A few years back he went out for a coin flip outdoors when it was -6 outside.

                                Not sure why the game was outdoors then...maybe it was when the Dome up there collapsed under the weight or snow, or maybe it was rain and had to close for a period of time for repairs..

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                                @ballpeen said:

                                Bud was a tough SOB.  A few years back he went out for a coin flip outdoors when it was -6 outside.

                                Not sure why the game was outdoors then...maybe it was when the Dome up there collapsed under the weight or snow, or maybe it was rain and had to close for a period of time for repairs..

                                I think it was when they tore down the Metrodome and were building their current dome in the same spot, and played a few seasons at the U of Minnesota's outdoor stadium.

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                                  @ballpeen said:

                                  Bud was a tough SOB.  A few years back he went out for a coin flip outdoors when it was -6 outside.

                                  Not sure why the game was outdoors then...maybe it was when the Dome up there collapsed under the weight or snow, or maybe it was rain and had to close for a period of time for repairs..

                                  I think it was when they tore down the Metrodome and were building their current dome in the same spot, and played a few seasons at the U of Minnesota's outdoor stadium.

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                                  I think it was when they tore down the Metrodome and were building their current dome in the same spot, and played a few seasons at the U of Minnesota's outdoor stadium.

                                  Thanks...that was it.  I couldn't remember the details.

                                  If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                                    So why not just put the kickoff back to where it was just don't give the players a running start. Can't start running until the ball is in the air. They robbed us of the Devin Hester's and Joshua Cribbs of the return game.

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                                      So why not just put the kickoff back to where it was just don't give the players a running start. Can't start running until the ball is in the air. They robbed us of the Devin Hester's and Joshua Cribbs of the return game.

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                                      So why not just put the kickoff back to where it was just don't give the players a running start. Can't start running until the ball is in the air. They robbed us of the Devin Hester's and Joshua Cribbs of the return game.

                                      They HAD to try cut down on the full speed collisions, concussions, disabled players and of course the CTE cases.....which the NFL had to finally admit were real.

                                      Of course a lot of fans love those dramatic runs and high speed collisions and the ooohs and aaahs  -but-  the NFL had to take the lead on this.

                                      It's not the 1960s and 1970s anymore,  the glory years of NFL football. 

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                                        So why not just put the kickoff back to where it was just don't give the players a running start. Can't start running until the ball is in the air. They robbed us of the Devin Hester's and Joshua Cribbs of the return game.

                                        They HAD to try cut down on the full speed collisions, concussions, disabled players and of course the CTE cases.....which the NFL had to finally admit were real.

                                        Of course a lot of fans love those dramatic runs and high speed collisions and the ooohs and aaahs  -but-  the NFL had to take the lead on this.

                                        It's not the 1960s and 1970s anymore,  the glory years of NFL football. 

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                                        @mjp28 said:

                                        They HAD to try cut down on the full speed collisions, concussions, disabled players and of course the CTE cases.....which the NFL had to finally admit were real.

                                        Of course a lot of fans love those dramatic runs and high speed collisions and the ooohs and aaahs  -but-  the NFL had to take the lead on this.

                                        It's not the 1960s and 1970s anymore,  the glory years of NFL football. 

                                        I miss the Josh Cribbs returns, too, but your answer is excellent. But the way it is now, Schwartz had that serious collusion on a return last season, straight up the field, between two blockers, didn't see the guy who hit him until he hit him, and Schwartz ended up with a concussion. Seems that the way it is now, gunners can get past the blockers before the returner catches the ball. Maybe moving the line back gives more time to set up a return. Or not. Maybe only cut down on the number of head on collisions...not a solution ?

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                                          @mjp28 said:

                                          They HAD to try cut down on the full speed collisions, concussions, disabled players and of course the CTE cases.....which the NFL had to finally admit were real.

                                          Of course a lot of fans love those dramatic runs and high speed collisions and the ooohs and aaahs  -but-  the NFL had to take the lead on this.

                                          It's not the 1960s and 1970s anymore,  the glory years of NFL football. 

                                          I miss the Josh Cribbs returns, too, but your answer is excellent. But the way it is now, Schwartz had that serious collusion on a return last season, straight up the field, between two blockers, didn't see the guy who hit him until he hit him, and Schwartz ended up with a concussion. Seems that the way it is now, gunners can get past the blockers before the returner catches the ball. Maybe moving the line back gives more time to set up a return. Or not. Maybe only cut down on the number of head on collisions...not a solution ?

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                                          mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by mjp28
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                                          @calfoxwc said:

                                          I miss the Josh Cribbs returns, too, but your answer is excellent. But the way it is now, Schwartz had that serious collusion on a return last season, straight up the field, between two blockers, didn't see the guy who hit him until he hit him, and Schwartz ended up with a concussion. Seems that the way it is now, gunners can get past the blockers before the returner catches the ball. Maybe moving the line back gives more time to set up a return. Or not. Maybe only cut down on the number of head on collisions...not a solution ?

                                          Solution quit playing professional tackle football.   But these steps help not 100% cure the problems here. 

                                          .......edit add, it's not normal for 40 year old former NFL players to be walking around with one or two canes or 40-50 year olds to not remember where they lived or recocnize family members.   CTE can only positively be identified in an autopsy but nearly 100% of NFL players who had their brains examined showed CTE in their brain from repeated contact hitting and concussions. 

                                          The NFL does not deny this and has made one huge settlement with probably more to come in the future.  Sad but true and some of this can be traced back to college and even high school.  

                                          This is not new news.

                                          Oddly when players with various injuries were asked if they'd do it again the majority said yes.  So there you go.  Just the facts. ?

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