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  • @gumby73 said:

    Grant (pro bowl return specialist)

    @nickers said:

    Don't forget Jakeem Grant...

    He's on our roster.  But who does he unseat?  Woods?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 this year.  Or Felton?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 last year.  Please not Weston who is 9 inches taller than Grant.  

    I always thought that the Felton pick was to be our returner, pass catching back, slot receiver type player.  I mean, he's the reason JoJo Natson was let go.  Felton though, did not appear to exude confidence while tracking a punt.

    @orion said:

    He's on our roster.  But who does he unseat?  Woods?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 this year.  Or Felton?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 last year.  Please not Weston who is 9 inches taller than Grant.  

    I always thought that the Felton pick was to be our returner, pass catching back, slot receiver type player.  I mean, he's the reason JoJo Natson was let go.  Felton though, did not appear to exude confidence while tracking a punt.

    Woods maybe winds up on the taxi squad..

  • Zombo said:

    Is this 1973?

    Z

    Taxi squad=practice squad... Tell me the difference... Yeah.... That's what I thought! ?

  • Zombo said:

    Is this 1973?

    Z

    Taxi squad=practice squad... Tell me the difference... Yeah.... That's what I thought! ?

    @nickers said:

    Taxi squad=practice squad... Tell me the difference...

    It's the Uber Squad now.  

    The last 2 drafts have produced 4 wr's.  (and Felton)  And undrafted Weston looks good getting off the bus.  That's a lotta utes.  The non utes would be Cooper 8yrs and Grant 7 yrs.   So, if we don't keep Grant we'd have 1 seasoned vet.  

  • @gumby73 said:

    Grant (pro bowl return specialist)

    @nickers said:

    Don't forget Jakeem Grant...

    He's on our roster.  But who does he unseat?  Woods?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 this year.  Or Felton?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 last year.  Please not Weston who is 9 inches taller than Grant.  

    I always thought that the Felton pick was to be our returner, pass catching back, slot receiver type player.  I mean, he's the reason JoJo Natson was let go.  Felton though, did not appear to exude confidence while tracking a punt.

    @orion said:

    He's on our roster.  But who does he unseat?  Woods?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 this year.  Or Felton?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 last year.  Please not Weston who is 9 inches taller than Grant.  

    I always thought that the Felton pick was to be our returner, pass catching back, slot receiver type player.  I mean, he's the reason JoJo Natson was let go.  Felton though, did not appear to exude confidence while tracking a punt.

    I think Felton might have a hard time making the team.

    He largely failed as a returner.  As a back he won't make the team unless we move somebody.  I did read he was working exclusively at receiver yesterday...but some guys were out ...The days of lower round draft picks being pretty much a lock to make the roster for a few years are over.  I am sure that if he doesn't make the final cuts we would put him on the practice squad if we can.  But, this is early.  Things can change once we start hitting real camp and start to play the exhibitions.  

    To expand on running back, i just don't see any way he makes it in that room with Chubb, Hunt, Johnson, and Ford in there. None of those guys are going to get cut, so unless we trade one, Felton is in for a tough go.

  • @orion said:

    He's on our roster.  But who does he unseat?  Woods?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 this year.  Or Felton?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 last year.  Please not Weston who is 9 inches taller than Grant.  

    I always thought that the Felton pick was to be our returner, pass catching back, slot receiver type player.  I mean, he's the reason JoJo Natson was let go.  Felton though, did not appear to exude confidence while tracking a punt.

    I think Felton might have a hard time making the team.

    He largely failed as a returner.  As a back he won't make the team unless we move somebody.  I did read he was working exclusively at receiver yesterday...but some guys were out ...The days of lower round draft picks being pretty much a lock to make the roster for a few years are over.  I am sure that if he doesn't make the final cuts we would put him on the practice squad if we can.  But, this is early.  Things can change once we start hitting real camp and start to play the exhibitions.  

    To expand on running back, i just don't see any way he makes it in that room with Chubb, Hunt, Johnson, and Ford in there. None of those guys are going to get cut, so unless we trade one, Felton is in for a tough go.

    @ballpeen said:

    I think Felton might have a hard time making the team.

    He largely failed as a returner.  As a back he won't make the team unless we move somebody.  I did read he was working exclusively at receiver yesterday...but some guys were out ...The days of lower round draft picks being pretty much a lock to make the roster for a few years are over.  I am sure that if he doesn't make the final cuts we would put him on the practice squad if we can.  But, this is early.  Things can change once we start hitting real camp and start to play the exhibitions.  

    To expand on running back, i just don't see any way he makes it in that room with Chubb, Hunt, Johnson, and Ford in there. None of those guys are going to get cut, so unless we trade one, Felton is in for a tough go.

    Felton didn’t make the team last year as a RB and his few highlights and touches he had were at WR and as a return man. 
     

    Grant takes away the return option. So it is Felton….Schwartz, the Rookies and possibly a veteran free agent (maybe) for the 5 and 6 spot. 

  • @orion said:

    He's on our roster.  But who does he unseat?  Woods?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 this year.  Or Felton?  The guy they drafted in Rd 6 last year.  Please not Weston who is 9 inches taller than Grant.  

    I always thought that the Felton pick was to be our returner, pass catching back, slot receiver type player.  I mean, he's the reason JoJo Natson was let go.  Felton though, did not appear to exude confidence while tracking a punt.

    Woods maybe winds up on the taxi squad..

    @nickers said:

    Woods maybe winds up on the taxi squad..

    Zombo said:

    Is this 1973?

    Z

    maybe some former players being placed on the Taxi squad.. was giving them a bad rep 😉

  • @ballpeen said:

    I think Felton might have a hard time making the team.

    He largely failed as a returner.  As a back he won't make the team unless we move somebody.  I did read he was working exclusively at receiver yesterday...but some guys were out ...The days of lower round draft picks being pretty much a lock to make the roster for a few years are over.  I am sure that if he doesn't make the final cuts we would put him on the practice squad if we can.  But, this is early.  Things can change once we start hitting real camp and start to play the exhibitions.  

    To expand on running back, i just don't see any way he makes it in that room with Chubb, Hunt, Johnson, and Ford in there. None of those guys are going to get cut, so unless we trade one, Felton is in for a tough go.

    Felton didn’t make the team last year as a RB and his few highlights and touches he had were at WR and as a return man. 
     

    Grant takes away the return option. So it is Felton….Schwartz, the Rookies and possibly a veteran free agent (maybe) for the 5 and 6 spot. 

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Felton didn’t make the team last year as a RB and his few highlights and touches he had were at WR and as a return man. 
     

    Grant takes away the return option. So it is Felton….Schwartz, the Rookies and possibly a veteran free agent (maybe) for the 5 and 6 spot. 

    Then for some odd reason he is currently listed as a RB, as he was last year. Who knows how they will do it, maybe we will get the new roster and depth chart and James Hudson will be listed as a RB.

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Felton didn’t make the team last year as a RB and his few highlights and touches he had were at WR and as a return man. 
     

    Grant takes away the return option. So it is Felton….Schwartz, the Rookies and possibly a veteran free agent (maybe) for the 5 and 6 spot. 

    Then for some odd reason he is currently listed as a RB, as he was last year. Who knows how they will do it, maybe we will get the new roster and depth chart and James Hudson will be listed as a RB.

    @ballpeen said:

    Then for some odd reason he is currently listed as a RB, as he was last year. Who knows how they will do it, maybe we will get the new roster and depth chart and James Hudson will be listed as a RB.

    On ESPN's depth chart he is not listed as a RB, just 4th string Kick returner.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/cle/cleveland-browns

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Felton didn’t make the team last year as a RB and his few highlights and touches he had were at WR and as a return man. 
     

    Grant takes away the return option. So it is Felton….Schwartz, the Rookies and possibly a veteran free agent (maybe) for the 5 and 6 spot. 

    Then for some odd reason he is currently listed as a RB, as he was last year. Who knows how they will do it, maybe we will get the new roster and depth chart and James Hudson will be listed as a RB.

    @ballpeen said:

    Then for some odd reason he is currently listed as a RB, as he was last year. Who knows how they will do it, maybe we will get the new roster and depth chart and James Hudson will be listed as a RB.

    Well James Hudson may play better at RB than T. 

    Felton had 7 “Rushes” last year I can’t recall if some of those were bubble screens/laterals behind the LOS. I remember him getting a few opportunities at RB last year in mop up time.  Pretty telling considering the fact we had a game or two where both Chubb and Hunt were out and half the year Hunt was out.   I watched the rookie from Cincy last year…Felton isn’t beating him out for Rushes, but he can most certainly win the #5 WR role considering the depth chart

  • @ballpeen said:

    Then for some odd reason he is currently listed as a RB, as he was last year. Who knows how they will do it, maybe we will get the new roster and depth chart and James Hudson will be listed as a RB.

    On ESPN's depth chart he is not listed as a RB, just 4th string Kick returner.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/cle/cleveland-browns

    @texasag1969 said:

    On ESPN's depth chart he is not listed as a RB, just 4th string Kick returner.

    Yeah, but as a punt returner he's all the way up to 3rd string.

    He's always been listed as a RB on the team's site.  And always played on the field as a receiver.  (almost always)

  • Any way you cut it, it sounds like he will have a hard time sticking.   Maybe he can make it as a WR.  He won't be the returner and if he lines up as a back over Chubb,Hunt, or Johnson...even Ford, Stefanski should be evaluated.

    Last year, when he came in, you knew he was getting the ball to run one of the 4-5 plays which were his package of plays.

  • I wasn't Felton's biggest supporter last year.....because he didn't seem to excel at anything.  He's not real fast (and we knew that on draft day), he's not really a shifty route runner, he's only 5'9" and as a RB, the few times he did carry the ball, he was an arm tackle.   I don't remember his blocking ability but I wouldn't think he was able to pancake anyone.   -  He was a 6th round rookie so there's a possibility that he makes a jump this year but as has been said, he's probably got a lot of competition for his roster spot.

    I was a little disappointed in the Ford pick.  I really didn't want to upset that RB apple cart that we had.  I was thinking that we could get one more year out of the trio that we had...which was a great trio.  

  • I wasn't Felton's biggest supporter last year.....because he didn't seem to excel at anything.  He's not real fast (and we knew that on draft day), he's not really a shifty route runner, he's only 5'9" and as a RB, the few times he did carry the ball, he was an arm tackle.   I don't remember his blocking ability but I wouldn't think he was able to pancake anyone.   -  He was a 6th round rookie so there's a possibility that he makes a jump this year but as has been said, he's probably got a lot of competition for his roster spot.

    I was a little disappointed in the Ford pick.  I really didn't want to upset that RB apple cart that we had.  I was thinking that we could get one more year out of the trio that we had...which was a great trio.  

    @orion said:

    I was a little disappointed in the Ford pick.  I really didn't want to upset that RB apple cart that we had.  I was thinking that we could get one more year out of the trio that we had...which was a great trio.  

    Just how bad do we need Felton? Ford is a major upgrade IMO.

  • @orion said:

    I was a little disappointed in the Ford pick.  I really didn't want to upset that RB apple cart that we had.  I was thinking that we could get one more year out of the trio that we had...which was a great trio.  

    Just how bad do we need Felton? Ford is a major upgrade IMO.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Just how bad do we need Felton? Ford is a major upgrade IMO.

    I think it's apples and oranges.  Felton, IMO, was not brought in as a RB (I don't care that the Browns always list him as a RB).   He may have lined up as a RB, but pre-snap he would go in motion or shift into the slot.  I think that was the role they saw him in when they drafted him.  That and return specialist, of which he looked kinda' shaky at so they pretty much stopped using him on returns.  

    Ford is more of a RB.  - and I prefer Chevy's.  🙂

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Just how bad do we need Felton? Ford is a major upgrade IMO.

    I think it's apples and oranges.  Felton, IMO, was not brought in as a RB (I don't care that the Browns always list him as a RB).   He may have lined up as a RB, but pre-snap he would go in motion or shift into the slot.  I think that was the role they saw him in when they drafted him.  That and return specialist, of which he looked kinda' shaky at so they pretty much stopped using him on returns.  

    Ford is more of a RB.  - and I prefer Chevy's.  🙂

    @orion said:

    I think it's apples and oranges.  Felton, IMO, was not brought in as a RB (I don't care that the Browns always list him as a RB).   He may have lined up as a RB, but pre-snap he would go in motion or shift into the slot.  I think that was the role they saw him in when they drafted him.  That and return specialist, of which he looked kinda' shaky at so they pretty much stopped using him on returns.  

    Ford is more of a RB.  - and I prefer Chevy's.  🙂

    Chevy's are reject GM garbage... no thanks..

  • @orion said:

    I think it's apples and oranges.  Felton, IMO, was not brought in as a RB (I don't care that the Browns always list him as a RB).   He may have lined up as a RB, but pre-snap he would go in motion or shift into the slot.  I think that was the role they saw him in when they drafted him.  That and return specialist, of which he looked kinda' shaky at so they pretty much stopped using him on returns.  

    Ford is more of a RB.  - and I prefer Chevy's.  🙂

    Chevy's are reject GM garbage... no thanks..

    @nickers said:

    Chevy's are reject GM garbage... no thanks..

    Coulda been worse!  ??

    Nash Rambler
    1952 Nash Rambler blue wagon front.jpg
  • @nickers said:

    Chevy's are reject GM garbage... no thanks..

    Coulda been worse!  ??

    Nash Rambler
    1952 Nash Rambler blue wagon front.jpg

    @texasag1969 said:

    Coulda been worse!  ??

    Nash Rambler
    1952 Nash Rambler blue wagon front.jpg

    My aunt had a ~1958 grey Rambler what a boring car.  She did finally upgrade nicely with a burgundy 1966 Chevy Impala, nice.  My buddy who worked at Lordstown where they made the Impalas did one better with the 1966 SS 327 Impala, really nice.

    1966-chevrolet-impala.jpg

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Just how bad do we need Felton? Ford is a major upgrade IMO.

    I think it's apples and oranges.  Felton, IMO, was not brought in as a RB (I don't care that the Browns always list him as a RB).   He may have lined up as a RB, but pre-snap he would go in motion or shift into the slot.  I think that was the role they saw him in when they drafted him.  That and return specialist, of which he looked kinda' shaky at so they pretty much stopped using him on returns.  

    Ford is more of a RB.  - and I prefer Chevy's.  🙂

    @orion said:

    I think it's apples and oranges.  Felton, IMO, was not brought in as a RB (I don't care that the Browns always list him as a RB).   He may have lined up as a RB, but pre-snap he would go in motion or shift into the slot.  I think that was the role they saw him in when they drafted him.  That and return specialist, of which he looked kinda' shaky at so they pretty much stopped using him on returns.  

    Ford is more of a RB.  - and I prefer Chevy's.  🙂

    I was thinking about the Ford inference on this thread and those old 1969 era Ford/Chevy muscle cars which I had a few.

    I had a beautiful red 1969 mach 1 and. the best car that I ever owned my 1969 Chevrolet Z-28 both created for the Trans-Am Class C racing.  The winner hands down was the Z-28 !  In fact I firmly believe that the best year ever out of Detroit was 1969.  The 69 Boss 302, Road Runners, Cudas, 442 on and on but the winner was Chevrolet. 

    Remember the SS 396 or 69 Yenko Camaro 427 among others ?  Cars ready for street or strip at your dealers   -or-  better yet for guys like me who used to work on cars the want ads.

    Shortly after that they started with the smog pumps and then the 1973 oil embargo and hello Hondas, Nissans and more.   The muscle car era was officially dead but great while it lasted.   Weekends at the strip started to fade away.....

  • @orion said:

    I was a little disappointed in the Ford pick.  I really didn't want to upset that RB apple cart that we had.  I was thinking that we could get one more year out of the trio that we had...which was a great trio.  

    Just how bad do we need Felton? Ford is a major upgrade IMO.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Just how bad do we need Felton? Ford is a major upgrade IMO.

    Felton is CHEAP and a guy that knows the system, is skilled and did fairly well as a rookie.  He’s the kind of guy you need to fill out the end of the WR room the next three years. 
     

    Felton wasn’t what I would consider a great RB even at UCLA.  He was a returner and guy they got the ball in space and let him use his speed and shiftiness. 
     

    Ford IMO has a floor as a #2 RB in the league. 

  • @orion said:

    I think it's apples and oranges.  Felton, IMO, was not brought in as a RB (I don't care that the Browns always list him as a RB).   He may have lined up as a RB, but pre-snap he would go in motion or shift into the slot.  I think that was the role they saw him in when they drafted him.  That and return specialist, of which he looked kinda' shaky at so they pretty much stopped using him on returns.  

    Ford is more of a RB.  - and I prefer Chevy's.  🙂

    I was thinking about the Ford inference on this thread and those old 1969 era Ford/Chevy muscle cars which I had a few.

    I had a beautiful red 1969 mach 1 and. the best car that I ever owned my 1969 Chevrolet Z-28 both created for the Trans-Am Class C racing.  The winner hands down was the Z-28 !  In fact I firmly believe that the best year ever out of Detroit was 1969.  The 69 Boss 302, Road Runners, Cudas, 442 on and on but the winner was Chevrolet. 

    Remember the SS 396 or 69 Yenko Camaro 427 among others ?  Cars ready for street or strip at your dealers   -or-  better yet for guys like me who used to work on cars the want ads.

    Shortly after that they started with the smog pumps and then the 1973 oil embargo and hello Hondas, Nissans and more.   The muscle car era was officially dead but great while it lasted.   Weekends at the strip started to fade away.....

    @mjp28 said:

    I firmly believe that the best year ever out of Detroit was 1969.  The 69 Boss 302, Road Runners, Cudas, 442 on and on

    I had a '69 Camaro.  But I really liked my '72.  After getting married we bought an '84.  Sold it in 2000 while waiting for the C5 Vette.  Still driving the Vette.  Just over 40k miles on it now.  I also had a big ol' Impala.  Gold with a white top and a 327 engine.  Man, that was a sweet ride in it's own right.  One thing about Chevy's, they always cranked right over and started.  I had a SAAB 99.  One frigid Christmas morning, a snow storm the day and night before, the SAAB would not start.  Too cold for it.  My brother gave me a ride to my parent's house where on the side of their garage was my '72 Camaro...hadn't been started since the summer....I had to shovel snow away from the driver's side in order to get in....I turned the key and it went....vrm, vrm, VROOOOOMMMM.   The SAAB, wouldn't start.