Why you NEED an AR-15
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Good morning everyone, it's beautiful outside, we're having our coffee and Cleveland plays at 4 pm today.
OK niceties aside this AR 15 thread is a good one as long as it doesn't quickly turn into a pissing contest.....OK we know who can piss highest, I think.
Quickly without looking it up one thing hit me on this list, 18-21 year olds and well armed, in some cases body armor and loaded with tons of ammo.
Columbine....young, well armed the model for all pissed off teenagers everywhere.
Sandy Hook....Young, definitely mentally ill, stole mommy's AK and butchered mommy and some children.....also a model for pissed off teenagers.
Orlando
Las Vegas....an old fart, well armed, even had hotel staff help carry his heavy loads of guns and ammunition to his room. Warning ! That will never happen again!!
Virginia Tech
Parkland....young, knows that the AK style is the most effective way to kill in big numbers, see above.
El Paso
Buffalo....young, see above
Ulvalde....young, see above
OK I just cheated and had to look up some facts the median age (½ more ½ less) of school shootings since Columbine is 16 ! This is through 2021 and 2022 has been a brutal year. Now include other shootings like the recent ones, soft targets like churches, stores and others and the numbers are off the charts.
One undeniable fact upset or mental teenagers with access to AK style firearms is a BAD idea. That is a good and easy place to start NO purchases below 21. Agreed ? The facts are undeniable. Read on :
The Washington Post has spent years tracking how many children have been exposed to gun violence during school hours since the Columbine High massacre in 1999.
Beyond the dead and wounded, children who witness the violence or cower behind locked doors to hide from it can be profoundly traumatized.
★ WHAT ! ---> The federal government does not track school shootings, so The Post pieced together its numbers from news articles, open-source databases, law enforcement reports and calls to schools and police departments.
While school shootings remain rare, there were more in 2021 — 42 — than in any year since at least 1999. So far this year, there have been at least 24 acts of gun violence on K-12 campuses during the school day.
The count now stands at more than 311,000 children at 331 schools.
★ The Post has found that at least 185 children, educators and other people have been killed in assaults, and another 369 have been injured.
The most recent school shooting was 18 days ago.
Good morning everyone, it's beautiful outside, we're having our coffee and Cleveland plays at 4 pm today.
OK niceties aside this AR 15 thread is a good one as long as it doesn't quickly turn into a pissing contest.....OK we know who can piss highest, I think.
Quickly without looking it up one thing hit me on this list, 18-21 year olds and well armed, in some cases body armor and loaded with tons of ammo.
Columbine....young, well armed the model for all pissed off teenagers everywhere.
Sandy Hook....Young, definitely mentally ill, stole mommy's AK and butchered children.....also a model for pissed off teenagers.
Orlando
Las Vegas....an old fart, well armed, even had hotel staff help carry his heavy loads of guns and ammunition to his room. Warning ! That will never happen again!!
Virginia Tech
Parkland....young, knows that the AK style is the most effective way to kill in big numbers, see above.
El Paso
Buffalo....young, see above
Ulvalde....young, see above
OK I just cheated and had to look up some facts the median age (½ more ½ less) of school shootings since Columbine is 16 ! This is through 2021 and 2022 has been a brutal year. Now include other shootings like the recent ones, soft targets like churches, stores and others and the numbers are off the charts.
One undeniable fact upset or mental teenagers with access to AK style firearms is a BAD idea. That is a good and easy place to start NO purchases below 21. Agreed ? The facts are undeniable. Read on :
The Washington Post has spent years tracking how many children have been exposed to gun violence during school hours since the Columbine High massacre in 1999.
Beyond the dead and wounded, children who witness the violence or cower behind locked doors to hide from it can be profoundly traumatized.
★ WHAT ! ---> The federal government does not track school shootings, so The Post pieced together its numbers from news articles, open-source databases, law enforcement reports and calls to schools and police departments.
While school shootings remain rare, there were more in 2021 — 42 — than in any year since at least 1999. So far this year, there have been at least 24 acts of gun violence on K-12 campuses during the school day.
The count now stands at more than 311,000 children at 331 schools.
★ The Post has found that at least 185 children, educators and other people have been killed in assaults, and another 369 have been injured.
The most recent school shooting was 18 days ago.
I know there's a point hidden in there somewhere.
One that comes to mind is that young people are f***** up.
WSS
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Good morning everyone, it's beautiful outside, we're having our coffee and Cleveland plays at 4 pm today.
OK niceties aside this AR 15 thread is a good one as long as it doesn't quickly turn into a pissing contest.....OK we know who can piss highest, I think.
Quickly without looking it up one thing hit me on this list, 18-21 year olds and well armed, in some cases body armor and loaded with tons of ammo.
Columbine....young, well armed the model for all pissed off teenagers everywhere.
Sandy Hook....Young, definitely mentally ill, stole mommy's AK and butchered children.....also a model for pissed off teenagers.
Orlando
Las Vegas....an old fart, well armed, even had hotel staff help carry his heavy loads of guns and ammunition to his room. Warning ! That will never happen again!!
Virginia Tech
Parkland....young, knows that the AK style is the most effective way to kill in big numbers, see above.
El Paso
Buffalo....young, see above
Ulvalde....young, see above
OK I just cheated and had to look up some facts the median age (½ more ½ less) of school shootings since Columbine is 16 ! This is through 2021 and 2022 has been a brutal year. Now include other shootings like the recent ones, soft targets like churches, stores and others and the numbers are off the charts.
One undeniable fact upset or mental teenagers with access to AK style firearms is a BAD idea. That is a good and easy place to start NO purchases below 21. Agreed ? The facts are undeniable. Read on :
The Washington Post has spent years tracking how many children have been exposed to gun violence during school hours since the Columbine High massacre in 1999.
Beyond the dead and wounded, children who witness the violence or cower behind locked doors to hide from it can be profoundly traumatized.
★ WHAT ! ---> The federal government does not track school shootings, so The Post pieced together its numbers from news articles, open-source databases, law enforcement reports and calls to schools and police departments.
While school shootings remain rare, there were more in 2021 — 42 — than in any year since at least 1999. So far this year, there have been at least 24 acts of gun violence on K-12 campuses during the school day.
The count now stands at more than 311,000 children at 331 schools.
★ The Post has found that at least 185 children, educators and other people have been killed in assaults, and another 369 have been injured.
The most recent school shooting was 18 days ago.
I know there's a point hidden in there somewhere.
One that comes to mind is that young people are f***** up.
WSS
I know there's a point hidden in there somewhere.
One that comes to mind is that young people are f***** up.
WSS
Well sorta, some, a very, very few number of young people are f******ed up. In fact most are like we were at that age....if that helps.
BUT the very, very few that are "challenged mentally " can walk into a gun store or gun show or something and plop down a few hundred bucks for an AK style amazing semiautomatic rifle some 30 round magazines and some great man killing ammunition and walk right out of the door.
Get online and say " watch me I'm gonna kill a bunch of kids or adults or Jews or whatever AND you can watch in real time."
NOTHING hidden just the facts, it's that easy to become the next mass killer. It's on the 6 pm news every night.
Oh what can we do ? Hide and cry ? No.
Step 1. Raise the minimum age to well you know, at least 21 for an AK style. It's that easy, period.
Step 2. Up for discussion.
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The thing about young people is that what's the age group that does the craziest s***. Hell I think of myself. When we reminisce about crazy stuff we did it was always in our teens or very early twenties. I think that's a great part of this problem.
WSS
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The thing about young people is that what's the age group that does the craziest s***. Hell I think of myself. When we reminisce about crazy stuff we did it was always in our teens or very early twenties. I think that's a great part of this problem.
WSS
The thing about young people is that what's the age group that does the craziest s***. Hell I think of myself. When we reminisce about crazy stuff we did it was always in our teens or very early twenties. I think that's a great part of this problem.
WSS
Oh yeah the 60s and even 70s were great ! (Oh I graduated high school and started college in 1968, MLK and Bobby K. assassinated, Vietnam was really getting ready to blow up. Wild times.)
BUT when we were 13-19 we weren't online every waking minute and brag or idolize people who wanted to go and shoot up their school or a church or anything.
We are in a violent world, why, well that is up for a lot of endless discussion but this toxic political climate is #1 on my list.
SO what can we do about it ? Start with small goals or objectives first.
Remember goals have to have 3 things to start they must be :
1. Measurable 2. Achievable 3. Realistic. (my years of management classes and experience here)
If they don't have all 3 you migh never complete them. The hardest thing today is just to get people to the table to discuss anything. Without that nothing will be done, in this case people will continue to be killed weekly, daily. Not a good thing for anyone.
Oh the above 3 things are a start, you still have to work on the details that requires cooperation and if necessary compromise. And everything requires leadership not the I'm right and you're wrong childish behavior.
And the 3 basics just sit and think about it, they do work.
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I still think 18 y.o. kids have no business with any guns at all. Can't drink a beer, but you can buy a rife (but not a handgun)? Something wrong there altogether.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/26/gun-buying-age-texas-handguns-rifles-uvalde/
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Fix the family.
Stop killing babies.
Prayer in school.
Let parents parent.
Taking away AR-15 style weapons doesn’t do crap and everyone knows it.
Just keep on praying harder hammer while absolutely nothing of significance gets done... because there's already too many guns out there. Defeatist attitude, or do you want to send sympathy cards to the surviving relatives instead? I doubt it.. And for the 10th time I'm anti abortion.
Columbine
Sandy Hook
Orlando
Las Vegas
Virginia Tech
Parkland
El Paso
Buffalo
Ulvalde
Did I miss a few? Go hug your AR-15s.... BTW, MHO is the Second amendment has been perverted beyond belief by the gun lobby... An 18 year old kid (who's not part of a "well regulated militia") with an agenda shouldn't be able to walk into a gun store and buy a paramilitary rifle a few days after he turns that age. Don't give me any crap or whataboutism either.. We both know- Canada has FAR stricter gun laws, and our neighbors to the North aren't going to hell because of it. But they DO have far fewer gun homicides and mass shootings though.
Just keep on praying harder hammer while absolutely nothing of significance gets done... because there's already too many guns out there. Defeatist attitude, or do you want to send sympathy cards to the surviving relatives instead? I doubt it.. And for the 10th time I'm anti abortion.
Columbine
Sandy Hook
Orlando
Las Vegas
Virginia Tech
Parkland
El Paso
Buffalo
Ulvalde
Did I miss a few? Go hug your AR-15s.... BTW, MHO is the Second amendment has been perverted beyond belief by the gun lobby... An 18 year old kid (who's not part of a "well regulated militia") with an agenda shouldn't be able to walk into a gun store and buy a paramilitary rifle a few days after he turns that age. Don't give me any crap or whataboutism either.. We both know- Canada has FAR stricter gun laws, and our neighbors to the North aren't going to hell because of it. But they DO have far fewer gun homicides and mass shootings though.
You can mock me all you want.
I’m surprised your anti abortion but you should step back and look at the whole gun landscape. Taking weapons away from responsible people is not going to save kids.
The media has made a spectacle of these shootings for political reasons. You can’t save the whole world.guns don't kill kids-pitt bulls do. -
I still think 18 y.o. kids have no business with any guns at all. Can't drink a beer, but you can buy a rife (but not a handgun)? Something wrong there altogether.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/26/gun-buying-age-texas-handguns-rifles-uvalde/
I still think 18 y.o. kids have no business with any guns at all. Can't drink a beer, but you can buy a rife (but not a handgun)? Something wrong there altogether.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/26/gun-buying-age-texas-handguns-rifles-uvalde/
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I still think 18 y.o. kids have no business with any guns at all. Can't drink a beer, but you can buy a rife (but not a handgun)? Something wrong there altogether.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/26/gun-buying-age-texas-handguns-rifles-uvalde/
To be fair there is a big difference. I went in the Army when I was 17. I was still a kid. I learned how to fire the M-16 in Basic Training at Ft. Knox, KY. Then went to Infantry training at Ft. Polk, Louisiana.. There I learned a bunch of different weapons systems. Before that, I had never touched a weapon, other than a BB gun. I did learn to respect weapons and what they could do to you and weapon safety, etc.
Having a kid who has no training just go and buy a weapon and ammo is dangerous. Perhaps a mandatory psych check, back ground check and weapons training before being allowed to purchase. Also a waiting period.
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Just keep on praying harder hammer while absolutely nothing of significance gets done... because there's already too many guns out there. Defeatist attitude, or do you want to send sympathy cards to the surviving relatives instead? I doubt it.. And for the 10th time I'm anti abortion.
Columbine
Sandy Hook
Orlando
Las Vegas
Virginia Tech
Parkland
El Paso
Buffalo
Ulvalde
Did I miss a few? Go hug your AR-15s.... BTW, MHO is the Second amendment has been perverted beyond belief by the gun lobby... An 18 year old kid (who's not part of a "well regulated militia") with an agenda shouldn't be able to walk into a gun store and buy a paramilitary rifle a few days after he turns that age. Don't give me any crap or whataboutism either.. We both know- Canada has FAR stricter gun laws, and our neighbors to the North aren't going to hell because of it. But they DO have far fewer gun homicides and mass shootings though.
You can mock me all you want.
I’m surprised your anti abortion but you should step back and look at the whole gun landscape. Taking weapons away from responsible people is not going to save kids.
The media has made a spectacle of these shootings for political reasons. You can’t save the whole world.You can mock me all you want.
I’m surprised your anti abortion but you should step back and look at the whole gun landscape. Taking weapons away from responsible people is not going to save kids.
The media has made a spectacle of these shootings for political reasons. You can’t save the whole world.I for one am a gun guy always have been taking guns away from responsible gun owners is a bad idea.
Keeping AR style guns, 30 round magazines and killer ammunition away from 13-19 year old untrained and irresponsible teenagers is necessary now. When the median age of fatal school shootings is 16 it clearly shows us all where the problem is right now.
If a father or grandfather wants to take a responsible young kid out shooting I think it's a good thing. I learned to shoot with my dad's old .22 single shot rifle when I was 11 years old. We shot rifles at the Scout range but that was in the 1960s.
Responsible gun ownership is a good thing, 18 year olds buying an AR by themselves is not a good idea.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Just keep on praying harder hammer while absolutely nothing of significance gets done... because there's already too many guns out there. Defeatist attitude, or do you want to send sympathy cards to the surviving relatives instead? I doubt it.. And for the 10th time I'm anti abortion.
Columbine
Sandy Hook
Orlando
Las Vegas
Virginia Tech
Parkland
El Paso
Buffalo
Ulvalde
Did I miss a few? Go hug your AR-15s.... BTW, MHO is the Second amendment has been perverted beyond belief by the gun lobby... An 18 year old kid (who's not part of a "well regulated militia") with an agenda shouldn't be able to walk into a gun store and buy a paramilitary rifle a few days after he turns that age. Don't give me any crap or whataboutism either.. We both know- Canada has FAR stricter gun laws, and our neighbors to the North aren't going to hell because of it. But they DO have far fewer gun homicides and mass shootings though.
You can mock me all you want.
I’m surprised your anti abortion but you should step back and look at the whole gun landscape. Taking weapons away from responsible people is not going to save kids.
The media has made a spectacle of these shootings for political reasons. You can’t save the whole world.You can mock me all you want.
I’m surprised your anti abortion but you should step back and look at the whole gun landscape. Taking weapons away from responsible people is not going to save kids.
The media has made a spectacle of these shootings for political reasons. You can’t save the whole world.he mocks badly, especially in the late night, early morning hours. I think at least several of us know why.
"anti-abortion, but loves obaMao commie and biden - who are FOR unlimited abortion".
bs.
"doesn't support defund the police"....yet he abslutely VOTED FOR IT.
Most intelligent people vote for WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN.
who the heck votes against everything they believe in?
Regardless of their motivations, they betrayed America. I mean, LOOK at the damage being done.
As far as the 2nd Amendment goes - it will never be repealed. It's a stupid pipe dream.
Anyone who disagrees - the Prohibition didn't work at all. Know what would happen if?
The Founding Fathers put in the 2nd Amendment in there because of their EXPERIENCE in vicious tyranny.
9 mass murders, and the left wants to go after 180 MILLION ? gun owners.
That is stupid.
NOTE:
For everyone who is not a belligerent drunk in the middle of the night, let's talk about definitions of "semi-auto".
Bleating emotionally over the issue doesn't get anywhere except bs-ville.
A revolver is not a semi-auto gun. Looking up definitions online is so much easier, and drunken liberals don't do it.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_firearm
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Furthermore - there is a serious problem. The childish, political knee jerk reaction bleating about guns ignores the problem that is occurring these later years.
Something has changed. I believe some of it has a lot to do with social media. The kid who wanted to assassinate Justice Kavanaugh? "wanted to have a purpose". That doesn't mean the gun made him have a purpose - whatever tool he could use, he would use it. He also had a knife. It is NOT the tool used, it's the miswired hater individual who acts out.
Here is a very good article about a study done about these shootings:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/honor-bound/201802/school-shootings-are-they-truly-random
Seriously - I said it earlier - some kids, rarely, do not self-actualize normally, and some of them, rarely, act out in rage and serious horrific violence. I just was touching a bit of the whole entire problem - if guns did not exist, these rage acting out kids would still act out somehow. bombs, arson, swords, knives....
Identify and work on the cause, not the tool. that is short-sighted, and politically destructive, and wastes time.
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and, per the asinine contention that our 2nd Amendment can simply be repealed -
it will never happen.
Never. That is the point of it happening in the first place.
A God-given, absolute RIGHT was put there to be permanent.
The principle of self-defense is permanent.
"prohibition" was just a bad law, like Roe vs Wade.
History says otherwise about our 1st and 2nd Amendment:
1970: Uganda; citizens disarmed - 300,000 Christians put to death. The ancient eastern martial arts are, almost without exception, the creations of people who were deprived of their weapons. Kung Fu, Karate, Judo, and so many more systems of self-defense were created by people desperate to defend their homes and families from tyrannical ...First of all, our judicial system is broken by the fact that so many of these creeps are let out in the first place. Happens all the time. Fix the justice system and divvy out the appropriate punishment and some of this would stop. Maybe it's time to focus our attention on judges and get serious about removing the bad ones.Here's a history of what happens after governments have disarmed their citizens: 1911 - Turkey disarmed it's citizens, and between 1915 - 1917 they murdered 1.5 million Armenians. 1929 - Russia disarmed it's citizens, and between 1929 - 1953 they murdered 20 million Russians. 1935 - China disarmed it's citizens, and between ... -
I don't know of anyone personally on TBB that is for repealing the 2nd Ammendment completely, I'm not with that.
However I'm for some sensible gun ownership in this country. I'm tired of these mass murder shootings every week and sometimes even nighy.
Responsible citizens must step forward and clean this insanity up. Hundreds of school children should not be free targets for killers. Same with citizens going about their daily lives. Something must be done.
Doing nothing is just irresponsible. We need to pass and enforce responsible gun ownership laws.
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You can mock me all you want.
I’m surprised your anti abortion but you should step back and look at the whole gun landscape. Taking weapons away from responsible people is not going to save kids.
The media has made a spectacle of these shootings for political reasons. You can’t save the whole world.I for one am a gun guy always have been taking guns away from responsible gun owners is a bad idea.
Keeping AR style guns, 30 round magazines and killer ammunition away from 13-19 year old untrained and irresponsible teenagers is necessary now. When the median age of fatal school shootings is 16 it clearly shows us all where the problem is right now.
If a father or grandfather wants to take a responsible young kid out shooting I think it's a good thing. I learned to shoot with my dad's old .22 single shot rifle when I was 11 years old. We shot rifles at the Scout range but that was in the 1960s.
Responsible gun ownership is a good thing, 18 year olds buying an AR by themselves is not a good idea.
I for one am a gun guy always have been taking guns away from responsible gun owners is a bad idea.
Keeping AR style guns, 30 round magazines and killer ammunition away from 13-19 year old untrained and irresponsible teenagers is necessary now. When the median age of fatal school shootings is 16 it clearly shows us all where the problem is right now.
If a father or grandfather wants to take a responsible young kid out shooting I think it's a good thing. I learned to shoot with my dad's old .22 single shot rifle when I was 11 years old. We shot rifles at the Scout range but that was in the 1960s.
Responsible gun ownership is a good thing, 18 year olds buying an AR by themselves is not a good idea.
There goal is to take your guns.
Dont you see thru the crap?
how many AR -15’s did they recover on 1/6 ?
absolute rubbish.
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I don't know of anyone personally on TBB that is for repealing the 2nd Ammendment completely, I'm not with that.
However I'm for some sensible gun ownership in this country. I'm tired of these mass murder shootings every week and sometimes even nighy.
Responsible citizens must step forward and clean this insanity up. Hundreds of school children should not be free targets for killers. Same with citizens going about their daily lives. Something must be done.
Doing nothing is just irresponsible. We need to pass and enforce responsible gun ownership laws.
I don't know of anyone personally on TBB that is for repealing the 2nd Ammendment completely, I'm not with that.
However I'm for some sensible gun ownership in this country. I'm tired of these mass murder shootings every week and sometimes even nighy.
Responsible citizens must step forward and clean this insanity up. Hundreds of school children should not be free targets for killers. Same with citizens going about their daily lives. Something must be done.
Doing nothing is just irresponsible. We need to pass and enforce responsible gun ownership laws.
I understand what you are saying - most of us are very concerned. But lawbreakers break laws. All those of us who do not break laws abide by the law.
It isn't the law that is a problem. It's the very small percentage of near adult kids who get enraged and violent, and act out against the innocent people in their school or church or ...anywhere.
More gun laws are no solution. The left wants it to be, because their uterior motive is to get a profoundly huge political win over the rest of Real America.
To fix the problem, don't apply band aids etc. Figure out WHY these miswired kids go haywire, and work to solve the cause.
But the left doesn't give a damn about innocent murdered people. They don't care about the deaths of millions ? of born and unborn children. But they are offended by the horrific deaths of gun crime? but not all the deaths by auto accidents?
Sorry, that doesn't work logically. It's a farce.
These murderers are already horrifically BREAKING the law as it is. Pass another law on the 150 ? 180 million gun owners? when only maybe 30 or 50 have gone on shooting ramapages?
Let's say 150 million gun owners, as an estimate. Let's say, 50 young people who go on murderous horrific rampages.
That is .0000337%. And who can be seriously thinking that passing laws against the 149, 950 million is going to have any kind of impact?
Come on. Those 50 will simply break the law. The key is identifying haters who threaten, harass, act out - on social media especially.
Just what I think.
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