Haslams Eyeing New Domed Stadium for Browns
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Not much to disagree with, but see below.
First Energy was built on the quick and the cheap. Quality concrete shouldn't be crumbling after a mere 25 years. With me as my own general contractor, the driveway I built to interstate highway standards in 1991 is still in great shape. The thought to make the new stadium have the "feel" of the old place was a disaster. Brings up my major gripe, compared to Ford Field, Lucas Oil, Reliant, or Paul Brown (more on PB later) the space behind the stands in First Energy is sardine city. I was hoping when they did the big upgrade, they'd do what Ohio State did, add another 100' or so to the concourses.
It really chafes me that Cincinnati used the same architects as Cleveland, and Paul Brown turned out 10X nicer.
Yeah, the trend is to build ever more deluxe venues like Jerry World and SoFi... but just because a stadium is 30+ years old doesn't necessarily make it obsolete. Arrowhead is a great place to see a football game. Never been to Lambeau, but the reports I've gotten say the same. So just stop the whining "but we're never going to get a Super Bowl without a dome". You think the folks in Foxborough care?
PS. The evolution of domed stadiums was in plain view in my trip to see the Browns play in Houston. The original Astrodome still stands (now used for rodeos and such), and it's positively dwarfed by Reliant Stadium next door.
Great points !
Great points !
Silly me. I meant to say NRG Stadium in Houston, not Reliant. But to my other point- here's what 55 or so years of progress in domed stadiums looks like. The 8th Wonder of the World no longer.
BTW, when it was constructed in 2002 Reliant (since renamed NRG) "only" had a price tag of $358 million. (factoring in inflation $581 million) Bargain basement compared to the cost of building a domed stadium today.
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1) Wouldn't allow us to develop anything else on the lake (at least the stadium would still take up space). But would keep it on the lake.
2) Not a huge fan of this one. Seems like it could get very congested fast. Though it free up the lake.
3) This seems like an area worth developing, and it provides land to develop on the lake. A soccer stadium would be awesome but idk what we'd do with an only 10k seat stadium. Crew is about twice that capacity.
I guess if it's domed the surrounding view matters less. And it would be cool driving into Cleveland seeing a new stadium, especially relatively close to the other two. If we had a good plan for the lakefront area I think I'd vote 3
1) Wouldn't allow us to develop anything else on the lake (at least the stadium would still take up space). But would keep it on the lake.
2) Not a huge fan of this one. Seems like it could get very congested fast. Though it free up the lake.
3) This seems like an area worth developing, and it provides land to develop on the lake. A soccer stadium would be awesome but idk what we'd do with an only 10k seat stadium. Crew is about twice that capacity.
I guess if it's domed the surrounding view matters less. And it would be cool driving into Cleveland seeing a new stadium, especially relatively close to the other two. If we had a good plan for the lakefront area I think I'd vote 3
I would love to see the lakefront FINALLY be developed (hoorta, Gipper and I had a loooooong discussion about this topic a couple years ago) and I concur, I'd prefer the new stadium to NOT be on the lakefront to free more space up too. Ironically, I think the area south of 480 on Orange is where Gateway considered building a Browns stadum if they would have joined in while Jacobs Field and Gund Arena were being built. (I think)
The soccer stadium would be 10,000 seats because Cleveland's outdoor soccer team is in the lower league, below the league the Crew play in.
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1) Wouldn't allow us to develop anything else on the lake (at least the stadium would still take up space). But would keep it on the lake.
2) Not a huge fan of this one. Seems like it could get very congested fast. Though it free up the lake.
3) This seems like an area worth developing, and it provides land to develop on the lake. A soccer stadium would be awesome but idk what we'd do with an only 10k seat stadium. Crew is about twice that capacity.
I guess if it's domed the surrounding view matters less. And it would be cool driving into Cleveland seeing a new stadium, especially relatively close to the other two. If we had a good plan for the lakefront area I think I'd vote 3
I would love to see the lakefront FINALLY be developed (hoorta, Gipper and I had a loooooong discussion about this topic a couple years ago) and I concur, I'd prefer the new stadium to NOT be on the lakefront to free more space up too. Ironically, I think the area south of 480 on Orange is where Gateway considered building a Browns stadum if they would have joined in while Jacobs Field and Gund Arena were being built. (I think)
The soccer stadium would be 10,000 seats because Cleveland's outdoor soccer team is in the lower league, below the league the Crew play in.
I would love to see the lakefront FINALLY be developed (hoorta, Gipper and I had a loooooong discussion about this topic a couple years ago) and I concur, I'd prefer the new stadium to NOT be on the lakefront to free more space up too. Ironically, I think the area south of 480 on Orange is where Gateway considered building a Browns stadum if they would have joined in while Jacobs Field and Gund Arena were being built. (I think)
The soccer stadium would be 10,000 seats because Cleveland's outdoor soccer team is in the lower league, below the league the Crew play in.
10k is overkill for the current Cleveland soccer team. If we're building a soccer stadium I assume it's for an eventual MLS expansion and USMNT / USWNT games.
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I would love to see the lakefront FINALLY be developed (hoorta, Gipper and I had a loooooong discussion about this topic a couple years ago) and I concur, I'd prefer the new stadium to NOT be on the lakefront to free more space up too. Ironically, I think the area south of 480 on Orange is where Gateway considered building a Browns stadum if they would have joined in while Jacobs Field and Gund Arena were being built. (I think)
The soccer stadium would be 10,000 seats because Cleveland's outdoor soccer team is in the lower league, below the league the Crew play in.
10k is overkill for the current Cleveland soccer team. If we're building a soccer stadium I assume it's for an eventual MLS expansion and USMNT / USWNT games.
10k is overkill for the current Cleveland soccer team. If we're building a soccer stadium I assume it's for an eventual MLS expansion and USMNT / USWNT games.
I don't follow soccer, so I plead ignorance on this. Just reporting what I saw in one of the articles, and what I've seen in the past regarding said soccer stadium.
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10k is overkill for the current Cleveland soccer team. If we're building a soccer stadium I assume it's for an eventual MLS expansion and USMNT / USWNT games.
I don't follow soccer, so I plead ignorance on this. Just reporting what I saw in one of the articles, and what I've seen in the past regarding said soccer stadium.
I don't follow soccer, so I plead ignorance on this. Just reporting what I saw in one of the articles, and what I've seen in the past regarding said soccer stadium.
I watched Cleveland SC play the new Akron club down at Lebron's high school. Definitely not a sell out either.
Cleveland SCs home stadium now is BWs football field, which is like 8500 capacity.
So I guess a new stadium would be close
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I don't follow soccer, so I plead ignorance on this. Just reporting what I saw in one of the articles, and what I've seen in the past regarding said soccer stadium.
I watched Cleveland SC play the new Akron club down at Lebron's high school. Definitely not a sell out either.
Cleveland SCs home stadium now is BWs football field, which is like 8500 capacity.
So I guess a new stadium would be close
I watched Cleveland SC play the new Akron club down at Lebron's high school. Definitely not a sell out either.
Cleveland SCs home stadium now I'd BWs football field
Is this Cleveland team in the same league Cincinnati's soccer team used to be in, but got promoted to the top league because they drew so well?
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I watched Cleveland SC play the new Akron club down at Lebron's high school. Definitely not a sell out either.
Cleveland SCs home stadium now I'd BWs football field
Is this Cleveland team in the same league Cincinnati's soccer team used to be in, but got promoted to the top league because they drew so well?
Is this Cleveland team in the same league Cincinnati's soccer team used to be in, but got promoted to the top league because they drew so well?
This league is like 2 or 3 below MLS, semi professional, so probably not. But I'm not sure.
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It seems to be how things are now with stadiums, I mean, how old was Three Rivers, Riverfront, etc when they were replaced? Probably not that much older than what First Energy will be when it gets replaced by whatever stadium the Haslams and tax money build. Even less for the ballparks the Braves and Rangers walked away from recently. (But are still being used for college football teams)
But First Energy is a mediocre stadium. Always felt to me like a stadium whose blueprints could be bought on-line for $199. The thing that makes no sense is that a complaint about First Energy by the Haslams is that because it sits right on the lakefront, it takes a beating. How much does anyone want to bet that the new stadium is built on the lakefront? ? The Haslams are going to build a hotel/restaurant/bar community around this stadium, and the lakefront is prime real estate to do this. Doubt they will complain about how their new stadium on the lakefront takes a beating from the elements when they are surrounded by the Haslam's cash cow business ventures.
Not much to disagree with, but see below.
★ Some stadiums just feel old or just not well thought out. I saw a lot of Pirates games in the 1970s in Three Rivers, always around 1st base BUT it just wasn't a good baseball park. Dual use stadiums just don't work regardless of how old they are. The 3 rivers was 30, riverfront 32 but everyone was glad when they were gone.
AND new stadiums have really nice amenities yes CBS is old and time to go.....but ONLY if it's well thought out and done right.......like a good steak, ooops wrong thread.
First Energy was built on the quick and the cheap. Quality concrete shouldn't be crumbling after a mere 25 years. With me as my own general contractor, the driveway I built to interstate highway standards in 1991 is still in great shape. The thought to make the new stadium have the "feel" of the old place was a disaster. Brings up my major gripe, compared to Ford Field, Lucas Oil, Reliant, or Paul Brown (more on PB later) the space behind the stands in First Energy is sardine city. I was hoping when they did the big upgrade, they'd do what Ohio State did, add another 100' or so to the concourses.
It really chafes me that Cincinnati used the same architects as Cleveland, and Paul Brown turned out 10X nicer.
Yeah, the trend is to build ever more deluxe venues like Jerry World and SoFi... but just because a stadium is 30+ years old doesn't necessarily make it obsolete. Arrowhead is a great place to see a football game. Never been to Lambeau, but the reports I've gotten say the same. So just stop the whining "but we're never going to get a Super Bowl without a dome". You think the folks in Foxborough care?
PS. The evolution of domed stadiums was in plain view in my trip to see the Browns play in Houston. The original Astrodome still stands (now used for rodeos and such), and it's positively dwarfed by Reliant Stadium next door.
"but we're never going to get a Super Bowl without a dome". You think the folks in Foxborough care?
They don't have Tom Brady any more. That euphoria is over. - It's all about winning. When my generation was young, a few of us could decide to go see a game, get in the car and drive the 45 minutes to the stadium, buy tickets at the box office, go inside and watch the game. It's all about winning.. It's harder to make yourself go watch your team, in the winter type weather, in an outdoor stadium, when the team is not a consistent winner.....than it is to go watch them in a dome and not get soaked and frozen. And it doesn't matter the team name.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
You can bet your azz it won’t be Jimmah.
Can you say Tax Abatement?... Sure ya can!
Can you say Tax Abatement?... Sure ya can!
Maybe Watson can loan the Haslams some money for the new stadium?
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Maybe Watson can loan the Haslams some money for the new stadium?
Now that would be an interesting conversation. Hey DW can you chip in for $100M, we know you're good for it.
Maybe DW doesn't want to get involved in the DW mess.
But DW minority owner does sound......strange.
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"but we're never going to get a Super Bowl without a dome". You think the folks in Foxborough care?
They don't have Tom Brady any more. That euphoria is over. - It's all about winning. When my generation was young, a few of us could decide to go see a game, get in the car and drive the 45 minutes to the stadium, buy tickets at the box office, go inside and watch the game. It's all about winning.. It's harder to make yourself go watch your team, in the winter type weather, in an outdoor stadium, when the team is not a consistent winner.....than it is to go watch them in a dome and not get soaked and frozen. And it doesn't matter the team name.
They don't have Tom Brady any more. That euphoria is over. - It's all about winning. When my generation was young, a few of us could decide to go see a game, get in the car and drive the 45 minutes to the stadium, buy tickets at the box office, go inside and watch the game. It's all about winning.. It's harder to make yourself go watch your team, in the winter type weather, in an outdoor stadium, when the team is not a consistent winner.....than it is to go watch them in a dome and not get soaked and frozen. And it doesn't matter the team name.
Are you trying to say you're now an oldster, who doesn't like to get cold and\ or wet at a game anymore? I've been to three domed stadiums... Lions, Colts, and Texans. MHO is if you like that sort of ambiance, you may as well stay home and watch the game on TV, because that's what it feels like in a Dome.
If my count is correct, there's only 9 "true" domed stadiums in the NFL. SoFi is covered but IIRC it's open air. Every one of those Domes has pretty legit reasons for being domed. Vikes, cold weather . Cardinals and Raiders 110 degrees in early September. You could say Indy and Detroit don't have any worse weather than Cleveland. TBD if Buffalo's new stadium will be domed or not. So the other 23 teams without a dome suffer the same fate as Cleveland... We can't use that facility year round for stuff...
Yeah, I may be an outlier with my mountaineering and winter camping experience. But it's ALL how you approach the weather, and having the right gear. I sat through 10 degree weather with occasional snow at Michigan's Stadium for the NHL Hockey Winter Classic, and I can' honestly say I wasn't cold. .
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“As we have consistently communicated, along with the City of Cleveland, the Greater Cleveland Partnership and other prominent local organizations, we have been immersed in discussing ways to best approach the lakefront’s future and the stadium naturally is a critical piece to the long-term execution of such a project. Contrary to recent speculation, a recent feasibility study we launched does not contemplate a new stadium or showcase new stadium sites. A significant stadium renovation at our current site is the premise of the study as well as a focus on how to provide accessibility to the lakefront, drive density and create 365-destination major development opportunities that would include new public parks, retail, office, experiential and residential spaces. The vision, as many in our community have already seen, is centered on an extensive land bridge. As we are just beginning the study, we certainly do not have enough information to determine the cost of renovating the stadium or what the aesthetics of such a renovation would entail. We believe our study will help answer those questions and should be completed in 2023. The future of the stadium is one of several important pieces to the long-term execution of the lakefront project, and our organization looks forward to continuing to work with our community partners and leaders to identify next steps and our role in helping advance this initiative.”
Peter John-Baptiste, Haslam Sports Group‘Contrary to recent speculation’: Browns respond to report they’re looking into new stadium
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“As we have consistently communicated, along with the City of Cleveland, the Greater Cleveland Partnership and other prominent local organizations, we have been immersed in discussing ways to best approach the lakefront’s future and the stadium naturally is a critical piece to the long-term execution of such a project. Contrary to recent speculation, a recent feasibility study we launched does not contemplate a new stadium or showcase new stadium sites. A significant stadium renovation at our current site is the premise of the study as well as a focus on how to provide accessibility to the lakefront, drive density and create 365-destination major development opportunities that would include new public parks, retail, office, experiential and residential spaces. The vision, as many in our community have already seen, is centered on an extensive land bridge. As we are just beginning the study, we certainly do not have enough information to determine the cost of renovating the stadium or what the aesthetics of such a renovation would entail. We believe our study will help answer those questions and should be completed in 2023. The future of the stadium is one of several important pieces to the long-term execution of the lakefront project, and our organization looks forward to continuing to work with our community partners and leaders to identify next steps and our role in helping advance this initiative.”
Peter John-Baptiste, Haslam Sports Group‘Contrary to recent speculation’: Browns respond to report they’re looking into new stadium
‘Contrary to recent speculation’: Browns respond to report they’re looking into new stadium
Some of the "Dome" crowd wishin' and a hoping'. Reading the entire original article, that multi million dollar land bridge over the tracks has to be funded first.
Yeah, I initially thought $100 or $200 million would be enough to spruce up the place. Silly me.... The cost of needed upgrades (around a billion or so) approaches the cost of building an entirely new stadium.
Hence the speculation it would be better to just build new. Lotsa luck figuring out how you could pull $1.5 billion out of your ass in Cuyahoga County to build a new stadium.
Damn... As I replied to mjp.. the stadium was built too fast and too cheaply. Crumbling concrete? My brother- who did cement work for years, and was my expert on putting in my new driveway... You DON'T want to be pouring concrete when the temperature is way below freezing and using accelerant to make the stuff actually harden at those temperatures.
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They don't have Tom Brady any more. That euphoria is over. - It's all about winning. When my generation was young, a few of us could decide to go see a game, get in the car and drive the 45 minutes to the stadium, buy tickets at the box office, go inside and watch the game. It's all about winning.. It's harder to make yourself go watch your team, in the winter type weather, in an outdoor stadium, when the team is not a consistent winner.....than it is to go watch them in a dome and not get soaked and frozen. And it doesn't matter the team name.
Are you trying to say you're now an oldster, who doesn't like to get cold and\ or wet at a game anymore? I've been to three domed stadiums... Lions, Colts, and Texans. MHO is if you like that sort of ambiance, you may as well stay home and watch the game on TV, because that's what it feels like in a Dome.
If my count is correct, there's only 9 "true" domed stadiums in the NFL. SoFi is covered but IIRC it's open air. Every one of those Domes has pretty legit reasons for being domed. Vikes, cold weather . Cardinals and Raiders 110 degrees in early September. You could say Indy and Detroit don't have any worse weather than Cleveland. TBD if Buffalo's new stadium will be domed or not. So the other 23 teams without a dome suffer the same fate as Cleveland... We can't use that facility year round for stuff...
Yeah, I may be an outlier with my mountaineering and winter camping experience. But it's ALL how you approach the weather, and having the right gear. I sat through 10 degree weather with occasional snow at Michigan's Stadium for the NHL Hockey Winter Classic, and I can' honestly say I wasn't cold. .
TBD if Buffalo's new stadium will be domed or not. .
Buffalo will have a 62,000 seat open-air stadium. It is estimated that it will cost well over a billion dollars.
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They don't have Tom Brady any more. That euphoria is over. - It's all about winning. When my generation was young, a few of us could decide to go see a game, get in the car and drive the 45 minutes to the stadium, buy tickets at the box office, go inside and watch the game. It's all about winning.. It's harder to make yourself go watch your team, in the winter type weather, in an outdoor stadium, when the team is not a consistent winner.....than it is to go watch them in a dome and not get soaked and frozen. And it doesn't matter the team name.
Are you trying to say you're now an oldster, who doesn't like to get cold and\ or wet at a game anymore? I've been to three domed stadiums... Lions, Colts, and Texans. MHO is if you like that sort of ambiance, you may as well stay home and watch the game on TV, because that's what it feels like in a Dome.
If my count is correct, there's only 9 "true" domed stadiums in the NFL. SoFi is covered but IIRC it's open air. Every one of those Domes has pretty legit reasons for being domed. Vikes, cold weather . Cardinals and Raiders 110 degrees in early September. You could say Indy and Detroit don't have any worse weather than Cleveland. TBD if Buffalo's new stadium will be domed or not. So the other 23 teams without a dome suffer the same fate as Cleveland... We can't use that facility year round for stuff...
Yeah, I may be an outlier with my mountaineering and winter camping experience. But it's ALL how you approach the weather, and having the right gear. I sat through 10 degree weather with occasional snow at Michigan's Stadium for the NHL Hockey Winter Classic, and I can' honestly say I wasn't cold. .
Are you trying to say you're now an oldster, who doesn't like to get cold and\ or wet at a game
Absolutely. Remember, it's sports entertainment....that's what the NFL is.
if you like that sort of ambiance, you may as well stay home and watch the game on TV,
It's ALWAYS better to watch it on TV. Indoors, outdoors, you name it. Now, if you wanna watch 'off the ball' stuff, like receivers running routes, DB's doing their thing, then you can watch that indoors or outdoors.
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Browns dispute new stadium reports, planning 'significant' renovations to FirstEnergy Stadium
I will be shocked if the Haslams don't try to move every mountain to get a new indoor stadium.
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Honestly, I used to be in the "you need to deal with the weather! that's REAL football crowd!"
That's old thinking now though. We need to get with times and have a stadium that's usable year round and for multiple events. And one that promotes more attendance in the colder months
I know it is "soft". I know it's "not Cleveland". But it makes economic sense
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Honestly, I used to be in the "you need to deal with the weather! that's REAL football crowd!"
That's old thinking now though. We need to get with times and have a stadium that's usable year round and for multiple events. And one that promotes more attendance in the colder months
I know it is "soft". I know it's "not Cleveland". But it makes economic sense
Honestly, I used to be in the "you need to deal with the weather! that's REAL football crowd!"
That's old thinking now though. We need to get with times and have a stadium that's usable year round and for multiple events. And one that promotes more attendance in the colder months
I know it is "soft". I know it's "not Cleveland". But it makes economic sense
Sadly, yes.
I love bad weather football gamea. Snow, mud, bring it on.
But economically, it makes zero sense to build a stadium that sits vacant 90% of the time, especially with tax payer money. Economically it also makes zero sense to sink a ton of money into refurbishing First Energy instead of sinking a ton of money into a stadium that can make a lot more money.
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Why would you build a dome? I get the appeal for obvious reasons but isn’t Cleveland/steeler football kind of rooted in those shit weather games? I feel like it leaves behind a identity.
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