Baker to Carolina
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This is an abbreviated version of Dutch's Browns Questions, and it has all of one question:
Baker Mayfield has 59 career starts in the NFL. How many career regular season starts will he have for the rest of his career?
Do you think his career as a starter is about done? Do you think he has a few more years as a starter until he becomes a career backup? Or do you think he has a long, fruitful career as a starter ahead of him? Just one question. I'll record the results and post the results, eventually.
Note: Baker turned 27 three months ago.
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I will set the bar high (I think)....80 starts. He's good enough to start, I could see him in NO next season.
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Considering the competition where he's going, he has a good a chance to remain their starter. But then he will no longer have the Brown's OL protecting him so .................injury maybe?
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According to this we could get a 4th rounder depending upon playing time.
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Considering the competition where he's going, he has a good a chance to remain their starter. But then he will no longer have the Brown's OL protecting him so .................injury maybe?
Considering the competition where he's going, he has a good a chance to remain their starter. But then he will no longer have the Brown's OL protecting him so .................injury maybe?
After looking over his 2018-2021 statistics and his 29-30 career W/L record (not exactly outstanding) I think he might have a few good seasons left.....barring future injuries.
His best numbers and starts are behind him. He had zero game winning drives in 2021, true he was fighting off injuries but he would need a perfect system to even equal his Cleveland Browns career. It would be less than that 59 decisions maybe 55 ?
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Considering the competition where he's going, he has a good a chance to remain their starter. But then he will no longer have the Brown's OL protecting him so .................injury maybe?
Considering the competition where he's going, he has a good a chance to remain their starter. But then he will no longer have the Brown's OL protecting him so .................injury maybe?
So how many more career starts do you see in Baker?
59 so far.
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Hmm...Higgins a good target? 'As Collinsworth said, He's not fast nor does he run particularly good routes.' He's a CB's dream receiver.
I think their weapons complement Baker well…Moore and Anderson can get deep and open on playaction targets. Higgins as we know is a security blanket and mcCaffery should be a great pass run option for 6-8 games.
Their Line is actually - Meh…which is unfortunate for Baker who seems to need that extra second to process things.
I think their weapons complement Baker well…Moore and Anderson can get deep and open on playaction targets. Higgins as we know is a security blanket and mcCaffery should be a great pass run option for 6-8 games.
Their Line is actually - Meh…which is unfortunate for Baker who seems to need that extra second to process things.
they did use their first round pick at L.T
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Why are people acting so surprised baker was finally traded.
I am glad he was traded and we got what looks like it will be a 4th rounder. We didn't have any leverage earlier in this process, but the opening of camp became our leverage. If teams want him for the opener, they needed to get him in before camp.
If baker was a true franchise guy, we would have been able to get more.
Baker was a decent QB. The problem is the bar people were comparing him to included guys like Frye, Weeden, Wallace, etc.
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Neither one was my dream scenario but I'd have preferred Seattle. Carolina is garbage.
WSS
Panthers have a good front 7 and secondary. They also have a good RB room provided Run CMC comes back healthy. They invested resources into their oline this off season and their WR room - Higgins, DJ Moore and Robby Anderson are all good targets.
They play in a tough division. "Garbage" is hardly the word I would use.
Panthers have a good front 7 and secondary. They also have a good RB room provided Run CMC comes back healthy. They invested resources into their oline this off season and their WR room - Higgins, DJ Moore and Robby Anderson are all good targets.
They play in a tough division. "Garbage" is hardly the word I would use.
i read where baker had permission to talk to the hc and gm and was excitied about the move to carolina
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And yes…they are dumb.
...pretty much this whole century.
Berry & Steph were stating that Baker was their guy and that they had the utmost faith in him....right up until...until Watson agreed to sign. That's how ya do it. Unless it's a nasty separation like Watson was going through with Houston.
These things are supposed to be done behind the scenes. Perhaps a deal is never reached. Your starting QB (whoever he is) is not supposed to know. He's your guy if you can't land anyone better. - Baker and his agent knew stuff just by not getting a contract extension done.
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It's fun that the people complaining the loudest about how this very special employee deserves something unique and magical from his employer.. are the ones asserting repeatedly that workers deserve nothing other than what their employer thinks they should be paid.
Double standards are the best kind of standards!
Ignoring all the reality, of course, that.. Baker got his 5th year extension guaranteed no less securely than DW's contract.
Let's take this debate to an unelected council of wizards who will collectively guess how Thomas Jefferson's ghost feels about this.
I choose scotch!
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It's not employer/employee...
Was Otto Graham and Paul Brown like that? You don't get the extra you need in this league with the Pilot Flying J cashier employee handbook. This is not a numbers game, it's a people's game and people matter. They are not robots and BM should have shown enough to warrant a long term contract for his sacrifice for the team. Watson will sit if he has a tummy ache... it's a given, he gets paid regardless.
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It's not employer/employee...
Was Otto Graham and Paul Brown like that? You don't get the extra you need in this league with the Pilot Flying J cashier employee handbook. This is not a numbers game, it's a people's game and people matter. They are not robots and BM should have shown enough to warrant a long term contract for his sacrifice for the team. Watson will sit if he has a tummy ache... it's a given, he gets paid regardless.
It's not employer/employee...
Was Otto Graham and Paul Brown like that? You don't get the extra you need in this league with the Pilot Flying J cashier employee handbook. This is not a numbers game, it's a people's game and people matter. They are not robots and BM should have shown enough to warrant a long term contract for his sacrifice for the team. Watson will sit if he has a tummy ache... it's a given, he gets paid regardless.
You sure you want to use Paul Brown as your example of how to treat your players?
It wasn't a secret that many of the Browns players who played under him hated his guts.
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It's not employer/employee...
Was Otto Graham and Paul Brown like that? You don't get the extra you need in this league with the Pilot Flying J cashier employee handbook. This is not a numbers game, it's a people's game and people matter. They are not robots and BM should have shown enough to warrant a long term contract for his sacrifice for the team. Watson will sit if he has a tummy ache... it's a given, he gets paid regardless.
It's not employer/employee...
Was Otto Graham and Paul Brown like that? You don't get the extra you need in this league with the Pilot Flying J cashier employee handbook. This is not a numbers game, it's a people's game and people matter.
You've gotta fast forward to the time we're in Po. There isn't even any rivalries anymore. (except in some fans - like us) Many players shuffle from team to team first to make a ton of money, then to try and win a championship...or just chase more $$. - We have DePodesta...the analytics guy. It's just not that league anymore.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Considering the competition where he's going, he has a good a chance to remain their starter. But then he will no longer have the Brown's OL protecting him so .................injury maybe?
So how many more career starts do you see in Baker?
59 so far.
So how many more career starts do you see in Baker?
59 so far.
Uninjured I suspect he starts all games this year. But that's the catch. He' better'n who they have on the roster.
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So how many more career starts do you see in Baker?
59 so far.
Uninjured I suspect he starts all games this year. But that's the catch. He' better'n who they have on the roster.
Uninjured I suspect he starts all games this year. But that's the catch. He' better'n who they have on the roster.
Um...
Baker Mayfield has started 59 games in his career.
How many more games do you think he will start in the rest of his career?
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It's not employer/employee...
Was Otto Graham and Paul Brown like that? You don't get the extra you need in this league with the Pilot Flying J cashier employee handbook. This is not a numbers game, it's a people's game and people matter.
You've gotta fast forward to the time we're in Po. There isn't even any rivalries anymore. (except in some fans - like us) Many players shuffle from team to team first to make a ton of money, then to try and win a championship...or just chase more $$. - We have DePodesta...the analytics guy. It's just not that league anymore.
You've gotta fast forward to the time we're in Po. There isn't even any rivalries anymore. (except in some fans - like us) Many players shuffle from team to team first to make a ton of money, then to try and win a championship...or just chase more $$. - We have DePodesta...the analytics guy. It's just not that league anymore.
True. It's hard to compare eras or decades or even what have you done lately conferences or divisions . Even players don't have loyalties beyond their current contracts.
I've always believed that the true "Golden Years" of football was back in the 1960s and 1970s with the emergence of Pete Rozelle and the TV contracts, Monday Night Football and growth of "The Shield ", the growth of NFL Inc. It has done OK in the few decades since then but has changed a lot after the 2000s to the present day.
I think that the NFL is aware of the current situation with concussions, CTE, an aging and declining viewership and is addressing them. e younger age groups were having different interests and other issues and has addressed them -but- I believe they have lost a grip on the salaries and costs of running the teams.
Way back players had some loyalty to their teams now it's agents and contracts. "Shoe me the money" not team spirit and loyalty any more. Talk to my agent.
Let's hope that all sides in this professional football we like can keep it rolling.
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So how many more career starts do you see in Baker?
59 so far.
Uninjured I suspect he starts all games this year. But that's the catch. He' better'n who they have on the roster.
Uninjured I suspect he starts all games this year. But that's the catch. He' better'n who they have on the roster.
And through the draft, FAs or trades does the better young gun come along and Baker Mayfield becomes that veteran backup......I think this will become his path. He's not a franchise quarterback, never really was. Good yes but......
And 2½ years x 17 starts = about 42½ starts then no real guarantees going forward. My guess is about 55 +/- additional starts.
Besides he was a very well off 23 year old #1 overall pick NFL player with a few years of commercial work for a few extra millions here and there. He should be well off. Go check
️ it out.
Only one thing the drive for a ring or whatever goals he has left will keep him around.
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