Baker to Carolina
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@canton-dawg I'm just going to address your responses or questions instead of trying to quote them directly.
Canton Dawg: "Since Baker had a bad year, I was surprised they extended him. The timing was also suspicious because it wasn’t like there was a time constraint to extend the 5th year option???"
Riffer X: Not sure I completely understand your question here, but teams have timeframes to exercise options on rookie contracts. On April 23rd, 2021, Cleveland (CLE) exercised an $18.858 million option for 2022. This is absolutely and completely normal, especially given the (relatively speaking) cheap starting QB contract BM was under. Remember, we just came off the most successful season since 1994 under Belichick with BM playing the best football of his career the final half of the season. He just beat Pitt in a road playoff game, so it was an absolute no-brainer that they picked up his option. Anything else would have caused a firestorm. All this was doing was extending his rookie contract to 5 years, it wasn't giving him a raise or anything.
Canton Dawg: "I wasn’t of the mindset of giving Baker a big contract, as he didn’t really do anything to deserve it. I was ok with extending his contract for the 5th year to see what he can do when healthy. If he sucked, 2023 looks to be a good QB class."
Riffer X: We are in agreement here, which is why you pick up his fifth-year option assuming he will be auditioning for his big contract extension in 2022. He blew that in 2021 for a myriad of reasons.
Canton Dawg: "So I take it you’re ok with the baggage DW brings with him?"
and
"Just so you know where I stand on Watson, I think he’s a slight upgrade over Mayfield and the numbers show it. But no way in hell is he worth the draft capital and money Haslam paid for. If he doesn’t bring a SB Championship to Cleveland very quickly, this player acquisition will be one of the all time worst deals in Browns history."
Riffer X: I have no issues whatsoever with Watson's baggage because I personally think this is a money grab and have all along. Now, does the guy have some fetishes that counseling could help? Sure, but as I told MJP, Watson is an investment, and the sooner fans view him that way the better off they will be. He has never had any other issues besides this massage BS and is considered a film rat, hardcore competitor and good leader.
We disagree here. Watson is an elite QB who has never had a cockpit to play behind like we have here. He is a huge upgrade over Mayfield with his legs and mobility alone, and his stats are much better than Baker's. Watson is an elite QB, whereas Baker is mid-tier at best with occasional glimpses of stellar play. I highlighted many of the big differences below.
Mayfield Rushing and Receiving
Just 2 wrinkles I’ll throw your way about Watson.
First, he played the majority of his games in the AFC South…probably the weakest division in the league.
Second, Watson was the most sacked QB in 2019/2020.
If all of the DW fans think he’s going to waltz into Cleveland and March us to a SB victory, I have news for you.
Just 2 wrinkles I’ll throw your way about Watson.
First, he played the majority of his games in the AFC South…probably the weakest division in the league.
Second, Watson was the most sacked QB in 2019/2020.
If all of the DW fans think he’s going to waltz into Cleveland and March us to a SB victory, I have news for you.
If any Browns fans think the acquisition of Watson guarantees even a Super Bowl appearance, they are insane.
What the acquisition of Watson has done, simply, is increase the likelihood.
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Are we blaming Baker for anything that happened in 2019 when he left clean pockets more than any other QB in The NFL?
I always found it interesting how little flak Baker got for showing up to his second season fat, out-of-shape and obviously unprepared mentally for the coming season.
That wasn't Freddie's fault.
I always found it interesting how little flak Baker got for showing up to his second season fat, out-of-shape and obviously unprepared mentally for the coming season.
That wasn't Freddie's fault.
amnesia…
That was the Oline and Freddie’s fault.
We needed a couple Joe Thomas and a better play calling savant
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It is funny seeing this place go through it's usual cycle where a player is perfect in every way and then next thing you know, when they're no longer here or on the way out, that player is trash, a diva, cocky, etc...
I feel like I've watch this movie a dozen times in the time I've been on this board
Well...did you watch this past season, the movie where a bunch of us were not satisfied with 'the player'? His decision making, his constant missing receivers high over the middle, his inability to take us down the field at the end of the game to get us points and a victory?
That movie was playing too. It usually played after the Sunday at 1:00 movie that we all watched.....including the Browns brain-trust...who decided not to give him a new contract before the season and subsequently decided to move on.
Now, I didn't trash him during his lame duck time here after the Watson signing. But let me ask this, does anyone rule out the possibility of Baker making some kind of gesture or brief 'scene' of his resentment against the Browns during the game on opening day? Is he too 'mature' now for that kind of thing, do ya think?
Well...did you watch this past season, the movie where a bunch of us were not satisfied with 'the player'? His decision making, his constant missing receivers high over the middle, his inability to take us down the field at the end of the game to get us points and a victory?
oh, please. blaming the qb because he was injured, shouldn't have been playing, wr's weren't getting open, the secondary could just sit on shorter routes, while not having an experienced deep threat on the roster?
I mean, seriously. It's a team game. Were you listening when Doug Dieken lamented that wr's kept NOT getting open???????
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@canton-dawg I'm just going to address your responses or questions instead of trying to quote them directly.
Canton Dawg: "Since Baker had a bad year, I was surprised they extended him. The timing was also suspicious because it wasn’t like there was a time constraint to extend the 5th year option???"
Riffer X: Not sure I completely understand your question here, but teams have timeframes to exercise options on rookie contracts. On April 23rd, 2021, Cleveland (CLE) exercised an $18.858 million option for 2022. This is absolutely and completely normal, especially given the (relatively speaking) cheap starting QB contract BM was under. Remember, we just came off the most successful season since 1994 under Belichick with BM playing the best football of his career the final half of the season. He just beat Pitt in a road playoff game, so it was an absolute no-brainer that they picked up his option. Anything else would have caused a firestorm. All this was doing was extending his rookie contract to 5 years, it wasn't giving him a raise or anything.
Canton Dawg: "I wasn’t of the mindset of giving Baker a big contract, as he didn’t really do anything to deserve it. I was ok with extending his contract for the 5th year to see what he can do when healthy. If he sucked, 2023 looks to be a good QB class."
Riffer X: We are in agreement here, which is why you pick up his fifth-year option assuming he will be auditioning for his big contract extension in 2022. He blew that in 2021 for a myriad of reasons.
Canton Dawg: "So I take it you’re ok with the baggage DW brings with him?"
and
"Just so you know where I stand on Watson, I think he’s a slight upgrade over Mayfield and the numbers show it. But no way in hell is he worth the draft capital and money Haslam paid for. If he doesn’t bring a SB Championship to Cleveland very quickly, this player acquisition will be one of the all time worst deals in Browns history."
Riffer X: I have no issues whatsoever with Watson's baggage because I personally think this is a money grab and have all along. Now, does the guy have some fetishes that counseling could help? Sure, but as I told MJP, Watson is an investment, and the sooner fans view him that way the better off they will be. He has never had any other issues besides this massage BS and is considered a film rat, hardcore competitor and good leader.
We disagree here. Watson is an elite QB who has never had a cockpit to play behind like we have here. He is a huge upgrade over Mayfield with his legs and mobility alone, and his stats are much better than Baker's. Watson is an elite QB, whereas Baker is mid-tier at best with occasional glimpses of stellar play. I highlighted many of the big differences below.
Mayfield Rushing and Receiving
Just 2 wrinkles I’ll throw your way about Watson.
First, he played the majority of his games in the AFC South…probably the weakest division in the league.
Second, Watson was the most sacked QB in 2019/2020.
If all of the DW fans think he’s going to waltz into Cleveland and March us to a SB victory, I have news for you.
Just 2 wrinkles I’ll throw your way about *Manning*
First, he played the majority of his games in the AFC South…probably the weakest division in the league.
Replaced Watson's name with, well... you can tell. A QB who played in an era of an even weaker AFCS.
I think it should help illustrate how silly your attempt at the 1st point was.
Second, Watson was the most sacked QB in 2019/2020.
Baker was 8th in 2019
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-sacked-qb-in-2019
and look at that.... 4th in 2021
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-sacked-qb-in-2021
Just behind the likes of Burrow, Tannehill and Wilson. Did you also want me to post individual and collective Oline grades for those seasons as well?
You may not realize it, but if your attempt of saying "DUURRR SACKS" is to somehow demean Deshaun, it also ends up as a doubled edged sword against Baker.
edit: Not to get into a Watson/Mayfield debate. That is just dumb at this point. Only wanted to point out your contradiction and poor example is all. Perfectly fine with any opinions, so long as those are backed with some better material to support it.
double edit: To disarm your (likely response) No, I'm not calling Watson Manning. My rebuttal was only to highlight how flimsy it was to use the AFCS as a 'reason'.
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Obviously Watson is a far better QB than Mayfield but that doesn't mean BM is a bad one. Both things can be true.
Clearly the FO and HC were tired of BM's attitude or performance around the place. I think he is good enough to play for a team most years if he grows up a bit, that team will win some games cos of him and it will lose some games cos of him.
He deserves some credit for where we were the night he came in against the Jets to how we nearly and probably should have beat the Chiefs in the playoffs (im still not over the head on Higgins). No hard feelings toward him at all and Im surprised any Browns fan would have.
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Fuk Him and the Panthers. Go Browns!
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Well...did you watch this past season, the movie where a bunch of us were not satisfied with 'the player'? His decision making, his constant missing receivers high over the middle, his inability to take us down the field at the end of the game to get us points and a victory?
oh, please. blaming the qb because he was injured, shouldn't have been playing, wr's weren't getting open, the secondary could just sit on shorter routes, while not having an experienced deep threat on the roster?
I mean, seriously. It's a team game. Were you listening when Doug Dieken lamented that wr's kept NOT getting open???????
Were you listening when Doug Dieken lamented that wr's kept NOT getting open???????
Did you see OBJ's dad's video? I can't tell you how many times I saw Baker come off of Njoku crossing over the short middle, open, so he could try and throw longer to someone who wasn't open. Or how 'bout the time he had Felton, just standing 2 yards past the sticks, wide open...and looked right at him....only to decide to try and run it himself, and of course not make it so we had to punt?
Baker wanted things to be about him. Which is probably why he wouldn't look to get the ball to OBJ because then the media (and OBJ) would make it about OBJ.
Look, Baker can be a pretty decent QB. He's the best we've had since our return. But as ballpeen put it, the 'bar' was set pretty low by the previous QB's. I mean Kelly Holcome took us to the playoffs too. And truth be told, Holcome gets the playoff victory against the Steelers if Dennis Northcutt doesn't drop the easiest game winning first down pass in the history of the league.
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Just 2 wrinkles I’ll throw your way about Watson.
First, he played the majority of his games in the AFC South…probably the weakest division in the league.
Second, Watson was the most sacked QB in 2019/2020.
If all of the DW fans think he’s going to waltz into Cleveland and March us to a SB victory, I have news for you.
If any Browns fans think the acquisition of Watson guarantees even a Super Bowl appearance, they are insane.
What the acquisition of Watson has done, simply, is increase the likelihood.
If any Browns fans think the acquisition of Watson guarantees even a Super Bowl appearance, they are insane.
What the acquisition of Watson has done, simply, is increase the likelihood.
Can't be guaranteed obviously but expecting a Super Bowl appearance resulting from this deal does not constitute being insane. To begin with I would define insanity in this case as the obscene cost paid for acquiring Watson...then being OK with merely "increasing the likelihood" of an SB appearance.
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@canton-dawg I'm just going to address your responses or questions instead of trying to quote them directly.
Canton Dawg: "Since Baker had a bad year, I was surprised they extended him. The timing was also suspicious because it wasn’t like there was a time constraint to extend the 5th year option???"
Riffer X: Not sure I completely understand your question here, but teams have timeframes to exercise options on rookie contracts. On April 23rd, 2021, Cleveland (CLE) exercised an $18.858 million option for 2022. This is absolutely and completely normal, especially given the (relatively speaking) cheap starting QB contract BM was under. Remember, we just came off the most successful season since 1994 under Belichick with BM playing the best football of his career the final half of the season. He just beat Pitt in a road playoff game, so it was an absolute no-brainer that they picked up his option. Anything else would have caused a firestorm. All this was doing was extending his rookie contract to 5 years, it wasn't giving him a raise or anything.
Canton Dawg: "I wasn’t of the mindset of giving Baker a big contract, as he didn’t really do anything to deserve it. I was ok with extending his contract for the 5th year to see what he can do when healthy. If he sucked, 2023 looks to be a good QB class."
Riffer X: We are in agreement here, which is why you pick up his fifth-year option assuming he will be auditioning for his big contract extension in 2022. He blew that in 2021 for a myriad of reasons.
Canton Dawg: "So I take it you’re ok with the baggage DW brings with him?"
and
"Just so you know where I stand on Watson, I think he’s a slight upgrade over Mayfield and the numbers show it. But no way in hell is he worth the draft capital and money Haslam paid for. If he doesn’t bring a SB Championship to Cleveland very quickly, this player acquisition will be one of the all time worst deals in Browns history."
Riffer X: I have no issues whatsoever with Watson's baggage because I personally think this is a money grab and have all along. Now, does the guy have some fetishes that counseling could help? Sure, but as I told MJP, Watson is an investment, and the sooner fans view him that way the better off they will be. He has never had any other issues besides this massage BS and is considered a film rat, hardcore competitor and good leader.
We disagree here. Watson is an elite QB who has never had a cockpit to play behind like we have here. He is a huge upgrade over Mayfield with his legs and mobility alone, and his stats are much better than Baker's. Watson is an elite QB, whereas Baker is mid-tier at best with occasional glimpses of stellar play. I highlighted many of the big differences below.
Mayfield Rushing and Receiving
@canton-dawg I'm just going to address your responses or questions instead of trying to quote them directly.
Canton Dawg: "Since Baker had a bad year, I was surprised they extended him. The timing was also suspicious because it wasn’t like there was a time constraint to extend the 5th year option???"
Riffer X: Not sure I completely understand your question here, but teams have timeframes to exercise options on rookie contracts. On April 23rd, 2021, Cleveland (CLE) exercised an $18.858 million option for 2022. This is absolutely and completely normal, especially given the (relatively speaking) cheap starting QB contract BM was under. Remember, we just came off the most successful season since 1994 under Belichick with BM playing the best football of his career the final half of the season. He just beat Pitt in a road playoff game, so it was an absolute no-brainer that they picked up his option. Anything else would have caused a firestorm. All this was doing was extending his rookie contract to 5 years, it wasn't giving him a raise or anything.
Canton Dawg: "I wasn’t of the mindset of giving Baker a big contract, as he didn’t really do anything to deserve it. I was ok with extending his contract for the 5th year to see what he can do when healthy. If he sucked, 2023 looks to be a good QB class."
Riffer X: We are in agreement here, which is why you pick up his fifth-year option assuming he will be auditioning for his big contract extension in 2022. He blew that in 2021 for a myriad of reasons.
Canton Dawg: "So I take it you’re ok with the baggage DW brings with him?"
and
"Just so you know where I stand on Watson, I think he’s a slight upgrade over Mayfield and the numbers show it. But no way in hell is he worth the draft capital and money Haslam paid for. If he doesn’t bring a SB Championship to Cleveland very quickly, this player acquisition will be one of the all time worst deals in Browns history."
Riffer X: I have no issues whatsoever with Watson's baggage because I personally think this is a money grab and have all along. Now, does the guy have some fetishes that counseling could help? Sure, but as I told MJP, Watson is an investment, and the sooner fans view him that way the better off they will be. He has never had any other issues besides this massage BS and is considered a film rat, hardcore competitor and good leader.
We disagree here. Watson is an elite QB who has never had a cockpit to play behind like we have here. He is a huge upgrade over Mayfield with his legs and mobility alone, and his stats are much better than Baker's. Watson is an elite QB, whereas Baker is mid-tier at best with occasional glimpses of stellar play. I highlighted many of the big differences below.
Mayfield Rushing and Receiving
I'm just going to say that we have 2 of the top 5 runningbacks in the NFL, we are a run first built offense. Why do people think that Baker should have almost 5000 yards? He was amazing at play action and accurate as hell when healthy. We play in some of the nastiest weather in the NFL and feature 2 bell cow runningbacks...
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
That all sounds right about BRM and his timing and injuries......and the part about the Browns wanting an adult at QB.....
.......and somehow the Browns ended up with adult movies and QB all mixed together.
And after a $ ¼ BILLION+ outlaid and right now no confirmed starting quarterback for game 1. Or something like that
What a mess.
People should stop being so shortsighted about Watson and look at this as an investment. He may very well be our QB for the next 10 years, so whatever BS suspension he gets to start this season off will end up just being a blip on the radar in the big picture. Brissett is a solid QB as well, I went back and watched four of his starts last year and he should flourish in this offense.
People should stop being so shortsighted about Watson and look at this as an investment. He may very well be our QB for the next 10 years, so whatever BS suspension he gets to start this season off will end up just being a blip on the radar in the big picture. Brissett is a solid QB as well, I went back and watched four of his starts last year and he should flourish in this offense.
This isn't an investment... it's a COLOSSAL fuck up!
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Were you listening when Doug Dieken lamented that wr's kept NOT getting open???????
Did you see OBJ's dad's video? I can't tell you how many times I saw Baker come off of Njoku crossing over the short middle, open, so he could try and throw longer to someone who wasn't open. Or how 'bout the time he had Felton, just standing 2 yards past the sticks, wide open...and looked right at him....only to decide to try and run it himself, and of course not make it so we had to punt?
Baker wanted things to be about him. Which is probably why he wouldn't look to get the ball to OBJ because then the media (and OBJ) would make it about OBJ.
Look, Baker can be a pretty decent QB. He's the best we've had since our return. But as ballpeen put it, the 'bar' was set pretty low by the previous QB's. I mean Kelly Holcome took us to the playoffs too. And truth be told, Holcome gets the playoff victory against the Steelers if Dennis Northcutt doesn't drop the easiest game winning first down pass in the history of the league.
Did you see OBJ's dad's video? I can't tell you how many times I saw Baker come off of Njoku crossing over the short middle, open, so he could try and throw longer to someone who wasn't open. Or how 'bout the time he had Felton, just standing 2 yards past the sticks, wide open...and looked right at him....only to decide to try and run it himself, and of course not make it so we had to punt?
Baker wanted things to be about him. Which is probably why he wouldn't look to get the ball to OBJ because then the media (and OBJ) would make it about OBJ.
Look, Baker can be a pretty decent QB. He's the best we've had since our return. But as ballpeen put it, the 'bar' was set pretty low by the previous QB's. I mean Kelly Holcome took us to the playoffs too. And truth be told, Holcome gets the playoff victory against the Steelers if Dennis Northcutt doesn't drop the easiest game winning first down pass in the history of the league.
Fuck Blow Me Gay and his dad...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Who offered more that we got? Were their any other teams interested? My feeling is if Baker was all that good, we would have had multiple teams seeking his services no matter the thought that we didn't have leverage. If Baker was good enough, we would have had leverage because multiple interested teams would have created said leverage.
A note on Cals numbers posted. The game is different than when Otto played. Posting up numbers that show Baker just behind Otto doesn't make Baker set to be better than Otto Graham.
And just to be clear. I like Baker and wanted to draft him. I would have been good with keeping him, but he wasn't a great QB. He was a middle of the pack QB. We could win with him, but probably not because of him.
He really wasn't given a chance to be great.. The Browns got over zealous and football greedy... Watson will have ZERO impact on this team... Just watch,,, Nothing will be better because the 3 assholes running this show still run the team and Kirk Cousins didnt exactly set the world on fire with Shitpantskis tuteledge....In fact their offense got better when Kevvy left..... Watson is FOOLS GOLD... He will be lucky to to lead this team to a bowl of dawg scraps let alone a SB... This team will not sniff the playoffs this year... I predict Shitpantski will get shit canned and replaced by Eric Bienemy.. And the Clowns will be scratching their heads trying to dump DeWeirdos contract... I totally HATE this move... The Browns are stupid ass C L O W N S!
He really wasn't given a chance to be great.. The Browns got over zealous and football greedy... Watson will have ZERO impact on this team... Just watch,,, Nothing will be better because the 3 assholes running this show still run the team and Kirk Cousins didnt exactly set the world on fire with Shitpantskis tuteledge....In fact their offense got better when Kevvy left..... Watson is FOOLS GOLD... He will be lucky to to lead this team to a bowl of dawg scraps let alone a SB... This team will not sniff the playoffs this year... I predict Shitpantski will get shit canned and replaced by Eric Bienemy.. And the Clowns will be scratching their heads trying to dump DeWeirdos contract... I totally HATE this move... The Browns are stupid ass C L O W N S!
I get that you don't like the Watson move, and understand why. That still doesn't make Baker a better QB then he was. Watson is a big upgrade over Baker purely from a football standpoint. I think it is fair to say that if Watson didn't have the other baggage, few would be down on the move.
I think Baker was given opportunity. I do think there was a divide on how Baker and Stefanski viewed the QB position.
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Just 2 wrinkles I’ll throw your way about Watson.
First, he played the majority of his games in the AFC South…probably the weakest division in the league.
Second, Watson was the most sacked QB in 2019/2020.
If all of the DW fans think he’s going to waltz into Cleveland and March us to a SB victory, I have news for you.
Well, that's your opinion. I mean, why root for the team if you think they have no shot at a Super Bowl? To each their own.
Well, that's your opinion. I mean, why root for the team if you think they have no shot at a Super Bowl? To each their own.
When in the last 23 years have the browns had a shot to win a Super Bowl? You have been a fan thus far. When you get down to it, the browns have probably only had 5-6 legit shots at being a team that could have made the Super Bowl since the Super bowl became the game....what was that, 1967?
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If any Browns fans think the acquisition of Watson guarantees even a Super Bowl appearance, they are insane.
What the acquisition of Watson has done, simply, is increase the likelihood.
Can't be guaranteed obviously but expecting a Super Bowl appearance resulting from this deal does not constitute being insane. To begin with I would define insanity in this case as the obscene cost paid for acquiring Watson...then being OK with merely "increasing the likelihood" of an SB appearance.
Can't be guaranteed obviously but expecting a Super Bowl appearance resulting from this deal does not constitute being insane. To begin with I would define insanity in this case as the obscene cost paid for acquiring Watson...then being OK with merely "increasing the likelihood" of an SB appearance.
I agree it isn't insane. I have pretty much expected a championship every year since our last in 1964. I have always felt that anything less than a SB win is a failed season, so making an appearance won't do a darn thing for me.
For those old enough, think back to how you felt when we lost those games to the Broncos in the late 80's. The AFC Championship is pretty good, right? I don't think it being the SB is going to make a loss feel better. My bet is it is worse. Being the last loser isn't a good feeling.
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If any Browns fans think the acquisition of Watson guarantees even a Super Bowl appearance, they are insane.
What the acquisition of Watson has done, simply, is increase the likelihood.
Can't be guaranteed obviously but expecting a Super Bowl appearance resulting from this deal does not constitute being insane. To begin with I would define insanity in this case as the obscene cost paid for acquiring Watson...then being OK with merely "increasing the likelihood" of an SB appearance.
Can't be guaranteed obviously but expecting a Super Bowl appearance resulting from this deal does not constitute being insane. To begin with I would define insanity in this case as the obscene cost paid for acquiring Watson...then being OK with merely "increasing the likelihood" of an SB appearance.
It is insane for a Browns fan to guarantee that with Watson the Browns will win a Super Bowl.
If you disagree, you haven't been paying attention to Browns football since the Super Bowl began.
And I'm more concerned about the price it took to get a QB who is staring down a possible long suspension and who is a PR nightmare, compared to the price that it cost to get a franchise QB. If Watson was just a QB who didn't want to play for the Texans and demanded a trade, sans the sexual abuse allegations, the price to me wouldn't be such a big deal. (Relatively saying, it still is quite a haul to get a QB, but it is what it is. Offer the Bengals three first round picks for Joe Burrow and they would laugh and laugh and laugh, then hang up on you.)
Now, for the trade to have paid off for the Browns, to make it all worth it, yes, I agree, the Browns need to win a Super Bowl with Watson.
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People should stop being so shortsighted about Watson and look at this as an investment. He may very well be our QB for the next 10 years, so whatever BS suspension he gets to start this season off will end up just being a blip on the radar in the big picture. Brissett is a solid QB as well, I went back and watched four of his starts last year and he should flourish in this offense.
This isn't an investment... it's a COLOSSAL fuck up!
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Did you see OBJ's dad's video? I can't tell you how many times I saw Baker come off of Njoku crossing over the short middle, open, so he could try and throw longer to someone who wasn't open. Or how 'bout the time he had Felton, just standing 2 yards past the sticks, wide open...and looked right at him....only to decide to try and run it himself, and of course not make it so we had to punt?
Baker wanted things to be about him. Which is probably why he wouldn't look to get the ball to OBJ because then the media (and OBJ) would make it about OBJ.
Look, Baker can be a pretty decent QB. He's the best we've had since our return. But as ballpeen put it, the 'bar' was set pretty low by the previous QB's. I mean Kelly Holcome took us to the playoffs too. And truth be told, Holcome gets the playoff victory against the Steelers if Dennis Northcutt doesn't drop the easiest game winning first down pass in the history of the league.
Fuck Blow Me Gay and his dad...
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Just 2 wrinkles I’ll throw your way about Watson.
First, he played the majority of his games in the AFC South…probably the weakest division in the league.
Second, Watson was the most sacked QB in 2019/2020.
If all of the DW fans think he’s going to waltz into Cleveland and March us to a SB victory, I have news for you.
Well, that's your opinion. I mean, why root for the team if you think they have no shot at a Super Bowl? To each their own.
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That all sounds right about BRM and his timing and injuries......and the part about the Browns wanting an adult at QB.....
.......and somehow the Browns ended up with adult movies and QB all mixed together.
And after a $ ¼ BILLION+ outlaid and right now no confirmed starting quarterback for game 1. Or something like that
What a mess.
People should stop being so shortsighted about Watson and look at this as an investment. He may very well be our QB for the next 10 years, so whatever BS suspension he gets to start this season off will end up just being a blip on the radar in the big picture. Brissett is a solid QB as well, I went back and watched four of his starts last year and he should flourish in this offense.
People should stop being so shortsighted about Watson and look at this as an investment. He may very well be our QB for the next 10 years, so whatever BS suspension he gets to start this season off will end up just being a blip on the radar in the big picture. Brissett is a solid QB as well, I went back and watched four of his starts last year and he should flourish in this offense.
With an investment there's always risk, and some consider this a bad investment.
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