Baker to Carolina
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But my point was if we go through another so quickly, then how the hell does anyone expect a decent coach would even consider the Browns?
Define “decent coach”.
Define “decent coach”.
Well this one at least got us a playoff win. Do you think we would find another to go beyond that?
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Define “decent coach”.
Well this one at least got us a playoff win. Do you think we would find another to go beyond that?
Well this one at least got us a playoff win. Do you think we would find another to go beyond that?
I started to question Stefanski’s play calling during the second Steelers game last year.
He decided to get our hobbled QB sacked 9 times during the game, while abandoning the running game….against the worst run defense in the NFL.
Try to circle that square.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
It is tough comparing stats from 20 and 40 years ago. The thought processes of the game have changed. The offenses have changed. The protection of the QB have changed.I believe Baker should forever have a special place in the hearts of Browns' fans. He helped get the Browns back to playoff status. The high expectations of build now, win now have reached the NFL. Instant Conference Championships are expected; no more four year windows. I believe he reached his potential.Baker's weaknesses are significant. When it absolutely had to be done, most of the time it did not happen. He did not rise to the occasion in high pressure situations. Plus, the way the season unfolded last year did not help.After Week 5, many were thinking, the Browns were 2 plays, and a horrible DPI away from being 5-0 and considered the best team in the AFC. After Week 9, many were still thinking, 5-4 the ship has been righted, favorable second half schedule, win the Division, get a home playoff game, maybe two and take what's ours!The next month was a disaster. Getting drubbed by New England. Eeking out the win vs the Lions. Playing like garbage in Baltimore and still feeling the game should have been won. Then barely beating Baltimore but trying to be optimistic because a win vs the Raiders would be two in a row, 8-6, finish strong and win the Division.Instead, they piss away the Raider game, are at .500 and having to go to GB and Pittsburgh.I felt, after the Packer game, exactly how I felt after the first Ravens game. The big play can't be made, the comeback drive can't be put together and there was still a chance to win.There was never really a point in the season, where the hounds could be called off, the season could be cashed in and the decision could be made to get Baker surgery and prepare for 2022. I do not remember the tie-breakers needed to the inside straight but there was still a slim playoff chance going into Week 18.The Front Office fumbled this thing horribly and the lack of vetting the entire Watson situation is apparent. I'm no Baker fan boy, but he brought a level of long term excitement that Browns fans had no felt in 25 years, if only for a short period of time. His mouth and his antics write checks that his abilities cannot cash.I'll only root for him when the Browns need his opponent to lose, but I do think he has earned a quick standing ovation from the Browns fans in Carolina in Week 1.
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Well this one at least got us a playoff win. Do you think we would find another to go beyond that?
I started to question Stefanski’s play calling during the second Steelers game last year.
He decided to get our hobbled QB sacked 9 times during the game, while abandoning the running game….against the worst run defense in the NFL.
Try to circle that square.
I started to question Stefanski’s play calling during the second Steelers game last year.
He decided to get our hobbled QB sacked 9 times during the game, while abandoning the running game….against the worst run defense in the NFL.
Try to circle that square.
I understand all that but the question still remains, who will come to Jimmy's revolving door that is the Browns?
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I started to question Stefanski’s play calling during the second Steelers game last year.
He decided to get our hobbled QB sacked 9 times during the game, while abandoning the running game….against the worst run defense in the NFL.
Try to circle that square.
I understand all that but the question still remains, who will come to Jimmy's revolving door that is the Browns?
I understand all that but the question still remains, who will come to Jimmy's revolving door that is the Browns?
The HC position in the NFL is a very lucrative one.
Who would coach the Browns?
I would say plenty of aspiring OC and DC’s alike.
BTW, there’s plenty of teams that have a revolving door at the HC position…Raiders, Giants, Commanders, Jets all come to mind.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I understand all that but the question still remains, who will come to Jimmy's revolving door that is the Browns?
The HC position in the NFL is a very lucrative one.
Who would coach the Browns?
I would say plenty of aspiring OC and DC’s alike.
BTW, there’s plenty of teams that have a revolving door at the HC position…Raiders, Giants, Commanders, Jets all come to mind.
The HC position in the NFL is a very lucrative one.
Who would coach the Browns?
I would say plenty of aspiring OC and DC’s alike.
BTW, there’s plenty of teams that have a revolving door at the HC position…Raiders, Giants, Commanders, Jets all come to mind.
I think you just made my case for me. Look how good those teams are.
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The HC position in the NFL is a very lucrative one.
Who would coach the Browns?
I would say plenty of aspiring OC and DC’s alike.
BTW, there’s plenty of teams that have a revolving door at the HC position…Raiders, Giants, Commanders, Jets all come to mind.
I think you just made my case for me. Look how good those teams are.
I think you just made my case for me. Look how good those teams are.
There aren’t many HC’s that get to stay for a long time, that list is longer than the Pete Carroll’s and Bill Belichiks in the NFL.
Well this one at least got us a playoff win. Do you think we would find another to go beyond that?
And I just remembered, Stefanski wasn’t even on the sidelines at Heinz Field when the Browns won that playoff game.
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I understand all that but the question still remains, who will come to Jimmy's revolving door that is the Browns?
The HC position in the NFL is a very lucrative one.
Who would coach the Browns?
I would say plenty of aspiring OC and DC’s alike.
BTW, there’s plenty of teams that have a revolving door at the HC position…Raiders, Giants, Commanders, Jets all come to mind.
The HC position in the NFL is a very lucrative one.
Who would coach the Browns?
I would say plenty of aspiring OC and DC’s alike.
BTW, there’s plenty of teams that have a revolving door at the HC position…Raiders, Giants, Commanders, Jets all come to mind.
That's why teams hire to fire guys like Hue less the Clueless...
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I started to question Stefanski’s play calling during the second Steelers game last year.
He decided to get our hobbled QB sacked 9 times during the game, while abandoning the running game….against the worst run defense in the NFL.
Try to circle that square.
I understand all that but the question still remains, who will come to Jimmy's revolving door that is the Browns?
I understand all that but the question still remains, who will come to Jimmy's revolving door that is the Browns?
Someone.
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The HC position in the NFL is a very lucrative one.
Who would coach the Browns?
I would say plenty of aspiring OC and DC’s alike.
BTW, there’s plenty of teams that have a revolving door at the HC position…Raiders, Giants, Commanders, Jets all come to mind.
I think you just made my case for me. Look how good those teams are.
I think you just made my case for me. Look how good those teams are.
How so?
You said:
I understand all that but the question still remains, who will come to Jimmy's revolving door that is the Browns?
No one wanting to come to a team with a revolving door of head coaches is kind of like saying "no one goes to that restaurant, it's always too crowded." -Yogi B.
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I think you just made my case for me. Look how good those teams are.
How so?
You said:
I understand all that but the question still remains, who will come to Jimmy's revolving door that is the Browns?
No one wanting to come to a team with a revolving door of head coaches is kind of like saying "no one goes to that restaurant, it's always too crowded." -Yogi B.
How so? How so is evident by how poor those teams are.
You said:
No one wanting to come to a team with a revolving door of head coaches is kind of like saying "no one goes to that restaurant, it's always too crowded." -Yogi B.
Oh, someone will come, but will they be any better? I actually like the the way the team is being coached by some high quality assistants and yeah Shitfanski makes mistakes, but I think that this team of coaches has the freedom to help him correct them. They are not dealing with my way is the only way clueless hueless.
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........ SEE YOU ALL OVER THERE ........
REMEMBER PRESEASON FOOTBALL STARTS IN JUST -18- MORE DAYS ! CAN'T WAIT !
GO BROWNS !
Revised, can't wait until the HOF game with the JAX and someone play I'm Canton, Ohio. (They could have picked better teams.
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........ we might bump this into it's own thread, today. And JAX vs LVR. eh, but I will watch some.
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Well this one at least got us a playoff win. Do you think we would find another to go beyond that?
I started to question Stefanski’s play calling during the second Steelers game last year.
He decided to get our hobbled QB sacked 9 times during the game, while abandoning the running game….against the worst run defense in the NFL.
Try to circle that square.
I started to question Stefanski’s play calling during the second Steelers game last year.
He decided to get our hobbled QB sacked 9 times during the game, while abandoning the running game….against the worst run defense in the NFL.
Try to circle that square.
Yes...there are a lot of things that wreak of Stefanski sabotaging Mayfield last season....especially not pulling him out with the shoulder injury. What HC let's the qb decide if he can play with a serious injury? Even so, I'm not ready to fire him yet. I still believe he can be a very good HC. I'm weary of trying to remember who our HC is every season.
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I started to question Stefanski’s play calling during the second Steelers game last year.
He decided to get our hobbled QB sacked 9 times during the game, while abandoning the running game….against the worst run defense in the NFL.
Try to circle that square.
Yes...there are a lot of things that wreak of Stefanski sabotaging Mayfield last season....especially not pulling him out with the shoulder injury. What HC let's the qb decide if he can play with a serious injury? Even so, I'm not ready to fire him yet. I still believe he can be a very good HC. I'm weary of trying to remember who our HC is every season.
Yes...there are a lot of things that wreak of Stefanski sabotaging Mayfield last season....especially not pulling him out with the shoulder injury. What HC let's the qb decide if he can play with a serious injury?
Umm...just to be clear...Mayfield was the starting QB, and a #1 overall pick to boot. If the MEDICAL TEAM says he's cleared to play...and the player says he's ok to play...and he practices during the week...and you, as the HC, sit him and play the backup...then....what are you gonna give as a reason? The backup is the better QB? Remember, you can't say that it's because he's hurt...because he's been medically cleared to play.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Yes...there are a lot of things that wreak of Stefanski sabotaging Mayfield last season....especially not pulling him out with the shoulder injury. What HC let's the qb decide if he can play with a serious injury?
Umm...just to be clear...Mayfield was the starting QB, and a #1 overall pick to boot. If the MEDICAL TEAM says he's cleared to play...and the player says he's ok to play...and he practices during the week...and you, as the HC, sit him and play the backup...then....what are you gonna give as a reason? The backup is the better QB? Remember, you can't say that it's because he's hurt...because he's been medically cleared to play.
Umm...just to be clear...Mayfield was the starting QB, and a #1 overall pick to boot. If the MEDICAL TEAM says he's cleared to play...and the player says he's ok to play...and he practices during the week...and you, as the HC, sit him and play the backup...then....what are you gonna give as a reason? The backup is the better QB? Remember, you can't say that it's because he's hurt...because he's been medically cleared to play.
Obviously, the backup should not have been the backup if he should never play.
"medically cleared" doesn't mean should play. His performance was, of course, compromised by his injury. Admirable for Baker, looks moronic for stephanski, who apparently?, was not smart enough to refigure a game plan/play calling to adapt to the backup qb.
just stupid.
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Umm...just to be clear...Mayfield was the starting QB, and a #1 overall pick to boot. If the MEDICAL TEAM says he's cleared to play...and the player says he's ok to play...and he practices during the week...and you, as the HC, sit him and play the backup...then....what are you gonna give as a reason? The backup is the better QB? Remember, you can't say that it's because he's hurt...because he's been medically cleared to play.
Obviously, the backup should not have been the backup if he should never play.
"medically cleared" doesn't mean should play. His performance was, of course, compromised by his injury. Admirable for Baker, looks moronic for stephanski, who apparently?, was not smart enough to refigure a game plan/play calling to adapt to the backup qb.
just stupid.
Obviously, the backup should not have been the backup if he should never play.
"medically cleared" doesn't mean should play. His performance was, of course, compromised by his injury. Admirable for Baker, looks moronic for stephanski, who apparently?, was not smart enough to refigure a game plan/play calling to adapt to the backup qb.
just stupid.
Stephanski went 2-0 with the backup QB Case Keenum starting.
A swing and a miss.
Perhaps you can find a four year old article to further make your point.
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Yes...there are a lot of things that wreak of Stefanski sabotaging Mayfield last season....especially not pulling him out with the shoulder injury. What HC let's the qb decide if he can play with a serious injury?
Umm...just to be clear...Mayfield was the starting QB, and a #1 overall pick to boot. If the MEDICAL TEAM says he's cleared to play...and the player says he's ok to play...and he practices during the week...and you, as the HC, sit him and play the backup...then....what are you gonna give as a reason? The backup is the better QB? Remember, you can't say that it's because he's hurt...because he's been medically cleared to play.
Umm...just to be clear...Mayfield was the starting QB, and a #1 overall pick to boot. If the MEDICAL TEAM says he's cleared to play...and the player says he's ok to play...and he practices during the week...and you, as the HC, sit him and play the backup...then....what are you gonna give as a reason? The backup is the better QB? Remember, you can't say that it's because he's hurt...because he's been medically cleared to play.
If you want clarity...a back up qb is in place to fill in for the starting qb if he can't play due to injury or some other valid reason. I could argue that Mayfield should have been removed from the active roster immediately after the shoulder injury. Every NFL player who is worth anything will deny the severity of his injury, so he isn't benched. No matter how anti - Mayfield you are, unless you're blind, you could see that he was affected by the injury. I refuse to believe that Stefanski was the only one involved in making the decision to continue to play Mayfield, knowing that his play was impaired. He may have been cleared by the medical staff to the extent that he couldn't further damage his shoulder, if he played...probably because they already knew that it would require surgery and extensive rehab, so he would be lost for the season. No...the back up qb was not a better qb, but any real HC would have been able to see that Mayfield struggled beyond the 2nd quarter. He didn't just go from being one of the most accurate deep ball passers, to not being able to get the ball to an open receiver for no reason. I'm not referring to OBJ, here. He, obviously had an agenda to get out of Cleveland before he got here. As I stated before...I would love to see a video of plays that Mayfield delivered to OBJ, in his hands, and were dropped. There were many more of those that I remember, than bad throws to him by Mayfield.
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Umm...just to be clear...Mayfield was the starting QB, and a #1 overall pick to boot. If the MEDICAL TEAM says he's cleared to play...and the player says he's ok to play...and he practices during the week...and you, as the HC, sit him and play the backup...then....what are you gonna give as a reason? The backup is the better QB? Remember, you can't say that it's because he's hurt...because he's been medically cleared to play.
If you want clarity...a back up qb is in place to fill in for the starting qb if he can't play due to injury or some other valid reason. I could argue that Mayfield should have been removed from the active roster immediately after the shoulder injury. Every NFL player who is worth anything will deny the severity of his injury, so he isn't benched. No matter how anti - Mayfield you are, unless you're blind, you could see that he was affected by the injury. I refuse to believe that Stefanski was the only one involved in making the decision to continue to play Mayfield, knowing that his play was impaired. He may have been cleared by the medical staff to the extent that he couldn't further damage his shoulder, if he played...probably because they already knew that it would require surgery and extensive rehab, so he would be lost for the season. No...the back up qb was not a better qb, but any real HC would have been able to see that Mayfield struggled beyond the 2nd quarter. He didn't just go from being one of the most accurate deep ball passers, to not being able to get the ball to an open receiver for no reason. I'm not referring to OBJ, here. He, obviously had an agenda to get out of Cleveland before he got here. As I stated before...I would love to see a video of plays that Mayfield delivered to OBJ, in his hands, and were dropped. There were many more of those that I remember, than bad throws to him by Mayfield.
If you want clarity...a back up qb is in place to fill in for the starting qb if he can't play due to injury or some other valid reason. I could argue that Mayfield should have been removed from the active roster immediately after the shoulder injury. Every NFL player who is worth anything will deny the severity of his injury, so he isn't benched. No matter how anti - Mayfield you are, unless you're blind, you could see that he was affected by the injury. I refuse to believe that Stefanski was the only one involved in making the decision to continue to play Mayfield, knowing that his play was impaired. He may have been cleared by the medical staff to the extent that he couldn't further damage his shoulder, if he played...probably because they already knew that it would require surgery and extensive rehab, so he would be lost for the season. No...the back up qb was not a better qb, but any real HC would have been able to see that Mayfield struggled beyond the 2nd quarter. He didn't just go from being one of the most accurate deep ball passers, to not being able to get the ball to an open receiver for no reason. I'm not referring to OBJ, here. He, obviously had an agenda to get out of Cleveland before he got here. As I stated before...I would love to see a video of plays that Mayfield delivered to OBJ, in his hands, and were dropped. There were many more of those that I remember, than bad throws to him by Mayfield.
I will repeat one more time for the hard of hearing, HE WAS MEDICALLY CLEARED TO PLAY PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL. And participated in practices.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Umm...just to be clear...Mayfield was the starting QB, and a #1 overall pick to boot. If the MEDICAL TEAM says he's cleared to play...and the player says he's ok to play...and he practices during the week...and you, as the HC, sit him and play the backup...then....what are you gonna give as a reason? The backup is the better QB? Remember, you can't say that it's because he's hurt...because he's been medically cleared to play.
If you want clarity...a back up qb is in place to fill in for the starting qb if he can't play due to injury or some other valid reason. I could argue that Mayfield should have been removed from the active roster immediately after the shoulder injury. Every NFL player who is worth anything will deny the severity of his injury, so he isn't benched. No matter how anti - Mayfield you are, unless you're blind, you could see that he was affected by the injury. I refuse to believe that Stefanski was the only one involved in making the decision to continue to play Mayfield, knowing that his play was impaired. He may have been cleared by the medical staff to the extent that he couldn't further damage his shoulder, if he played...probably because they already knew that it would require surgery and extensive rehab, so he would be lost for the season. No...the back up qb was not a better qb, but any real HC would have been able to see that Mayfield struggled beyond the 2nd quarter. He didn't just go from being one of the most accurate deep ball passers, to not being able to get the ball to an open receiver for no reason. I'm not referring to OBJ, here. He, obviously had an agenda to get out of Cleveland before he got here. As I stated before...I would love to see a video of plays that Mayfield delivered to OBJ, in his hands, and were dropped. There were many more of those that I remember, than bad throws to him by Mayfield.
If you want clarity...a back up qb is in place to fill in for the starting qb if he can't play due to injury or some other valid reason. I could argue that Mayfield should have been removed from the active roster immediately after the shoulder injury. Every NFL player who is worth anything will deny the severity of his injury, so he isn't benched. No matter how anti - Mayfield you are, unless you're blind, you could see that he was affected by the injury. I refuse to believe that Stefanski was the only one involved in making the decision to continue to play Mayfield, knowing that his play was impaired. He may have been cleared by the medical staff to the extent that he couldn't further damage his shoulder, if he played...probably because they already knew that it would require surgery and extensive rehab, so he would be lost for the season. No...the back up qb was not a better qb, but any real HC would have been able to see that Mayfield struggled beyond the 2nd quarter. He didn't just go from being one of the most accurate deep ball passers, to not being able to get the ball to an open receiver for no reason. I'm not referring to OBJ, here. He, obviously had an agenda to get out of Cleveland before he got here. As I stated before...I would love to see a video of plays that Mayfield delivered to OBJ, in his hands, and were dropped. There were many more of those that I remember, than bad throws to him by Mayfield.
His injury as an excuse for his lack of effectiveness was overblown. There have been many QB that have played hurt.
If he can practice, then he can play.
You play the guy who gives you the best chance of winning
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Obviously, the backup should not have been the backup if he should never play.
"medically cleared" doesn't mean should play. His performance was, of course, compromised by his injury. Admirable for Baker, looks moronic for stephanski, who apparently?, was not smart enough to refigure a game plan/play calling to adapt to the backup qb.
just stupid.
Stephanski went 2-0 with the backup QB Case Keenum starting.
A swing and a miss.
Perhaps you can find a four year old article to further make your point.
Stephanski went 2-0 with the backup QB Case Keenum starting.
A swing and a miss.
Perhaps you can find a four year old article to further make your point.
Ah, please no facts allowed to muddy up anyone's thinking. Not the cal way.?
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