Baker to Carolina
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Umm...just to be clear...Mayfield was the starting QB, and a #1 overall pick to boot. If the MEDICAL TEAM says he's cleared to play...and the player says he's ok to play...and he practices during the week...and you, as the HC, sit him and play the backup...then....what are you gonna give as a reason? The backup is the better QB? Remember, you can't say that it's because he's hurt...because he's been medically cleared to play.
If you want clarity...a back up qb is in place to fill in for the starting qb if he can't play due to injury or some other valid reason. I could argue that Mayfield should have been removed from the active roster immediately after the shoulder injury. Every NFL player who is worth anything will deny the severity of his injury, so he isn't benched. No matter how anti - Mayfield you are, unless you're blind, you could see that he was affected by the injury. I refuse to believe that Stefanski was the only one involved in making the decision to continue to play Mayfield, knowing that his play was impaired. He may have been cleared by the medical staff to the extent that he couldn't further damage his shoulder, if he played...probably because they already knew that it would require surgery and extensive rehab, so he would be lost for the season. No...the back up qb was not a better qb, but any real HC would have been able to see that Mayfield struggled beyond the 2nd quarter. He didn't just go from being one of the most accurate deep ball passers, to not being able to get the ball to an open receiver for no reason. I'm not referring to OBJ, here. He, obviously had an agenda to get out of Cleveland before he got here. As I stated before...I would love to see a video of plays that Mayfield delivered to OBJ, in his hands, and were dropped. There were many more of those that I remember, than bad throws to him by Mayfield.
If you want clarity...a back up qb is in place to fill in for the starting qb if he can't play due to injury or some other valid reason. I could argue that Mayfield should have been removed from the active roster immediately after the shoulder injury. Every NFL player who is worth anything will deny the severity of his injury, so he isn't benched. No matter how anti - Mayfield you are, unless you're blind, you could see that he was affected by the injury. I refuse to believe that Stefanski was the only one involved in making the decision to continue to play Mayfield, knowing that his play was impaired. He may have been cleared by the medical staff to the extent that he couldn't further damage his shoulder, if he played...probably because they already knew that it would require surgery and extensive rehab, so he would be lost for the season. No...the back up qb was not a better qb, but any real HC would have been able to see that Mayfield struggled beyond the 2nd quarter. He didn't just go from being one of the most accurate deep ball passers, to not being able to get the ball to an open receiver for no reason. I'm not referring to OBJ, here. He, obviously had an agenda to get out of Cleveland before he got here. As I stated before...I would love to see a video of plays that Mayfield delivered to OBJ, in his hands, and were dropped. There were many more of those that I remember, than bad throws to him by Mayfield.
His injury as an excuse for his lack of effectiveness was overblown. There have been many QB that have played hurt.
If he can practice, then he can play.
You play the guy who gives you the best chance of winning
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Obviously, the backup should not have been the backup if he should never play.
"medically cleared" doesn't mean should play. His performance was, of course, compromised by his injury. Admirable for Baker, looks moronic for stephanski, who apparently?, was not smart enough to refigure a game plan/play calling to adapt to the backup qb.
just stupid.
Stephanski went 2-0 with the backup QB Case Keenum starting.
A swing and a miss.
Perhaps you can find a four year old article to further make your point.
Stephanski went 2-0 with the backup QB Case Keenum starting.
A swing and a miss.
Perhaps you can find a four year old article to further make your point.
Ah, please no facts allowed to muddy up anyone's thinking. Not the cal way.?
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If you want clarity...a back up qb is in place to fill in for the starting qb if he can't play due to injury or some other valid reason. I could argue that Mayfield should have been removed from the active roster immediately after the shoulder injury. Every NFL player who is worth anything will deny the severity of his injury, so he isn't benched. No matter how anti - Mayfield you are, unless you're blind, you could see that he was affected by the injury. I refuse to believe that Stefanski was the only one involved in making the decision to continue to play Mayfield, knowing that his play was impaired. He may have been cleared by the medical staff to the extent that he couldn't further damage his shoulder, if he played...probably because they already knew that it would require surgery and extensive rehab, so he would be lost for the season. No...the back up qb was not a better qb, but any real HC would have been able to see that Mayfield struggled beyond the 2nd quarter. He didn't just go from being one of the most accurate deep ball passers, to not being able to get the ball to an open receiver for no reason. I'm not referring to OBJ, here. He, obviously had an agenda to get out of Cleveland before he got here. As I stated before...I would love to see a video of plays that Mayfield delivered to OBJ, in his hands, and were dropped. There were many more of those that I remember, than bad throws to him by Mayfield.
I will repeat one more time for the hard of hearing, HE WAS MEDICALLY CLEARED TO PLAY PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL. And participated in practices.
I will repeat one more time for the hard of hearing, HE WAS MEDICALLY CLEARED TO PLAY PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL. And participated in practices.
and, AGAIN, "medically cleared" does NOT mean "should play and be effective".
So, if a qb wrecks his motorcycle, loses his leg, recovers, and is "medically cleared" to play football, and participates in practices.... you think he can hop around on one leg and it's ok? Not play the perfectly healthy backup qb?
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If you want clarity...a back up qb is in place to fill in for the starting qb if he can't play due to injury or some other valid reason. I could argue that Mayfield should have been removed from the active roster immediately after the shoulder injury. Every NFL player who is worth anything will deny the severity of his injury, so he isn't benched. No matter how anti - Mayfield you are, unless you're blind, you could see that he was affected by the injury. I refuse to believe that Stefanski was the only one involved in making the decision to continue to play Mayfield, knowing that his play was impaired. He may have been cleared by the medical staff to the extent that he couldn't further damage his shoulder, if he played...probably because they already knew that it would require surgery and extensive rehab, so he would be lost for the season. No...the back up qb was not a better qb, but any real HC would have been able to see that Mayfield struggled beyond the 2nd quarter. He didn't just go from being one of the most accurate deep ball passers, to not being able to get the ball to an open receiver for no reason. I'm not referring to OBJ, here. He, obviously had an agenda to get out of Cleveland before he got here. As I stated before...I would love to see a video of plays that Mayfield delivered to OBJ, in his hands, and were dropped. There were many more of those that I remember, than bad throws to him by Mayfield.
His injury as an excuse for his lack of effectiveness was overblown. There have been many QB that have played hurt.
If he can practice, then he can play.
You play the guy who gives you the best chance of winning
His injury as an excuse for his lack of effectiveness was overblown. There have been many QB that have played hurt.
If he can practice, then he can play.
You play the guy who gives you the best chance of winning.
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"Coach's decision." it's always been up to the head coach, assistants, medical staff to determine who is fit and ready to play and give the team the best chance to win on Sunday (or other).
"Day to day" "Game time decision ". Its not really all that complicated.
Its always been that way since the beginning of time when Moses was the coach.
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I will repeat one more time for the hard of hearing, HE WAS MEDICALLY CLEARED TO PLAY PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL. And participated in practices.
and, AGAIN, "medically cleared" does NOT mean "should play and be effective".
So, if a qb wrecks his motorcycle, loses his leg, recovers, and is "medically cleared" to play football, and participates in practices.... you think he can hop around on one leg and it's ok? Not play the perfectly healthy backup qb?
and, AGAIN, "medically cleared" does NOT mean "should play and be effective".
What were his medical limitations then? He shouldn't throw the ball with his left arm? Not an issue right? That he shouldn't be attempting to make tackles with his injury? Was he not able to move in the pocket? Was it that he couldn't throw long? Medium? Short? To the left? To the right? What? Because I saw him do all of those things, all season long. And his throwing motion, follow through, etc. didn't look any different. He wasn't grabbing his shoulder after throwing the ball.
Now, if you're saying that he just wasn't playing like a good QB, then, problem solved. He's gone. And we got a better one. Supposedly.
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How Baker Mayfield can earn back the $3.5 million in salary he gave up to facilitate Panthers trade
Tyler Sullivan - 46m ago -
I will repeat one more time for the hard of hearing, HE WAS MEDICALLY CLEARED TO PLAY PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL. And participated in practices.
and, AGAIN, "medically cleared" does NOT mean "should play and be effective".
So, if a qb wrecks his motorcycle, loses his leg, recovers, and is "medically cleared" to play football, and participates in practices.... you think he can hop around on one leg and it's ok? Not play the perfectly healthy backup qb?
and, AGAIN, "medically cleared" does NOT mean "should play and be effective".
So, if a qb wrecks his motorcycle, loses his leg, recovers, and is "medically cleared" to play football, and participates in practices.... you think he can hop around on one leg and it's ok? Not play the perfectly healthy backup qb?
Liat all the one-legged quarterbacks that have made a start in NFL history.
We will all wait.
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and, AGAIN, "medically cleared" does NOT mean "should play and be effective".
So, if a qb wrecks his motorcycle, loses his leg, recovers, and is "medically cleared" to play football, and participates in practices.... you think he can hop around on one leg and it's ok? Not play the perfectly healthy backup qb?
Liat all the one-legged quarterbacks that have made a start in NFL history.
We will all wait.
Liat all the one-legged quarterbacks that have made a start in NFL history.
We will all wait.
Did "Hopalong" Cassady ever play QB for the Lions as a backup? Sounds one-legged to me. ?
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I will repeat one more time for the hard of hearing, HE WAS MEDICALLY CLEARED TO PLAY PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL. And participated in practices.
and, AGAIN, "medically cleared" does NOT mean "should play and be effective".
So, if a qb wrecks his motorcycle, loses his leg, recovers, and is "medically cleared" to play football, and participates in practices.... you think he can hop around on one leg and it's ok? Not play the perfectly healthy backup qb?
and, AGAIN, "medically cleared" does NOT mean "should play and be effective".
So, if a qb wrecks his motorcycle, loses his leg, recovers, and is "medically cleared" to play football, and participates in practices.... you think he can hop around on one leg and it's ok? Not play the perfectly healthy backup qb?
No because it would never come to that.
He would be rendered unable to play and out of football the moment he lost his leg.
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and, AGAIN, "medically cleared" does NOT mean "should play and be effective".
So, if a qb wrecks his motorcycle, loses his leg, recovers, and is "medically cleared" to play football, and participates in practices.... you think he can hop around on one leg and it's ok? Not play the perfectly healthy backup qb?
No because it would never come to that.
He would be rendered unable to play and out of football the moment he lost his leg.
No because it would never come to that.
He would be rendered unable to play and out of football the moment he lost his leg.
Sure, but the exaggeration just shows the pro-watson rationalization.....
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Sure, but the exaggeration just shows the pro-watson rationalization.....
Please explain.
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Please explain.
You are a glutton. ?
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Please explain.
You are a glutton. ?
You are a glutton with a fishy hook. ?
FIFY?
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this is interesting and this play was beaten to death with review in this forum
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/anthony-schwartz-believes-shouldn-t-150322435.html
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this is interesting and this play was beaten to death with review in this forum
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/anthony-schwartz-believes-shouldn-t-150322435.html
this is interesting and this play was beaten to death with review in this forum
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/anthony-schwartz-believes-shouldn-t-150322435.html
Hmm... how odd.
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this is interesting and this play was beaten to death with review in this forum
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/anthony-schwartz-believes-shouldn-t-150322435.html
this is interesting and this play was beaten to death with review in this forum
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/anthony-schwartz-believes-shouldn-t-150322435.html
And yet Mayfield is going to Carolina ? Really ?
Mike Florio, July 25, 2022......
The promising Cleveland career of former Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield imploded in Week Two of the 2021 season, when Mayfield injured his non-throwing shoulder while making a tackle after throwing an interception.
For some reason, then-rookie receiver Anthony Schwartz shouldered the blame for the shoulder injury. Schwartz recently addressed the situation in comments to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer.......continued........
.......Cabot makes a couple of references in her article to the “Baker Bros,” fans of Mayfield who loudly believe he can do no wrong. That’s all the more reason for Mayfield to have provided some cover for Schwartz. And it perhaps help explain the conspicuous silence from other Browns players once it seemed clear that the Browns were looking to move on from Mayfield.. EOM.
And the plot thickens....I guess.....in the removal of Mayfield from Cleveland. (sure
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True. But our Danny boy was an exceptional quarterback (even better with the Marks brothers) and he doesn't guarantee a SB just like having an OK quarterback on an excellent team can still occasionally sneak one.
When anyone says .... "but how many SB Rings does Marino have".... you should include or substitute Kelly, Fouts or others have.
Without getting into minutiae about Marino and other like quarterbacks into boredom.
I get that.. I'm just saying... Theres a bunch of Numbskulls printing SB tickets and this POS hasn't taken one snap for us... Ya know.. It's cool to be enthusiastic and all.. I just wish people would temper that with some plain ol' common sense...
I get that.. I'm just saying... Theres a bunch of Numbskulls printing SB tickets and this POS hasn't taken one snap for us... Ya know.. It's cool to be enthusiastic and all.. I just wish people would temper that with some plain ol' common sense...
he will never see this, so what common sense do you have you dumbass are you saying the rest of the team is garbage or has baker been so deep in your ass that you cant think straight
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If you want clarity...a back up qb is in place to fill in for the starting qb if he can't play due to injury or some other valid reason. I could argue that Mayfield should have been removed from the active roster immediately after the shoulder injury. Every NFL player who is worth anything will deny the severity of his injury, so he isn't benched. No matter how anti - Mayfield you are, unless you're blind, you could see that he was affected by the injury. I refuse to believe that Stefanski was the only one involved in making the decision to continue to play Mayfield, knowing that his play was impaired. He may have been cleared by the medical staff to the extent that he couldn't further damage his shoulder, if he played...probably because they already knew that it would require surgery and extensive rehab, so he would be lost for the season. No...the back up qb was not a better qb, but any real HC would have been able to see that Mayfield struggled beyond the 2nd quarter. He didn't just go from being one of the most accurate deep ball passers, to not being able to get the ball to an open receiver for no reason. I'm not referring to OBJ, here. He, obviously had an agenda to get out of Cleveland before he got here. As I stated before...I would love to see a video of plays that Mayfield delivered to OBJ, in his hands, and were dropped. There were many more of those that I remember, than bad throws to him by Mayfield.
I will repeat one more time for the hard of hearing, HE WAS MEDICALLY CLEARED TO PLAY PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL. And participated in practices.
I will repeat one more time for the hard of hearing, HE WAS MEDICALLY CLEARED TO PLAY PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL. And participated in practices.
While I GET what you're saying - is practice anything like an NFL game for the QB position? I'll clarify. In practice all week - they don't tickle, tackle or SLAM the QB on the turf. In games, QBs often get hit, tackled and driven into the ground. If they have an injury on either shoulder, that's going to aggravate the injury immediately.
Of course Baker is going to say he feels fine under those practice conditions all week. He's probably going to look a lot less antsy in the pocket and get through his reads far more efficiently. FWIW, usually the 1st Offense goes against 2nd/scout team Defense in practice.. This is nothing like game day. Therefore, when the HC or whoever addresses the media says he had a good week of practice with very little pain - the medical staff has enough to clear him regarding that. Can he play vrs should he play - probably involved the guy paying everyone's salary and the FO.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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