Browns sign Rosen
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Please keep your delusions over on the Political Forum. Blind squirrels occasionally find acorns. What part of my opinion that unless Allen drastically improved his accuracy, (backed up by hours of watching him on tape) that the possibility was very real he was going to be a mega-bust. Or do you fail to comprehend that little factoid? Good For him, Bills Fans worship him. Keep on dredging up the past- hindsight is always 20\20. Too bad you now get a twofer on the Browns, Watson AND the Chosen Rosen? LOL, when does squirrel season start?
PS Cal, you have a fixation to prove yourself "right" regardless of evidence to the contrary.
In other words Cal was right and it pisses you off? Anyway pictures of Rosen without his shirt on, let's just say didn't fit the image of an NFL quarterback.
WSS
In other words Cal was right and it pisses you off? Anyway pictures of Rosen without his shirt on, let's just say didn't fit the image of an NFL quarterback.
WSS
Neither did Brady's back in his rookie year.
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In other words Cal was right and it pisses you off? Anyway pictures of Rosen without his shirt on, let's just say didn't fit the image of an NFL quarterback.
WSS
Neither did Brady's back in his rookie year.
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Please keep your delusions over on the Political Forum. Blind squirrels occasionally find acorns. What part of my opinion that unless Allen drastically improved his accuracy, (backed up by hours of watching him on tape) that the possibility was very real he was going to be a mega-bust. Or do you fail to comprehend that little factoid? Good For him, Bills Fans worship him. Keep on dredging up the past- hindsight is always 20\20. Too bad you now get a twofer on the Browns, Watson AND the Chosen Rosen? LOL, when does squirrel season start?
PS Cal, you have a fixation to prove yourself "right" regardless of evidence to the contrary.
In other words Cal was right and it pisses you off? Anyway pictures of Rosen without his shirt on, let's just say didn't fit the image of an NFL quarterback.
WSS
In other words Cal was right and it pisses you off? Anyway pictures of Rosen without his shirt on, let's just say didn't fit the image of an NFL quarterback.
WSS
Nah- it pisses me off to no end that Cal is still breaking his arm slapping himself on the back and shouting from the rooftops years later that for once, he guessed right.... Perfect 20\20 hindsight. FWIW, as rare as it is that Josh Allen miraculously improved his accuracy, there's also in the same category QBs who sucked for years, and turned their careers around.. Like Jim Plunkett.
Can Rosen do the same? Unlikely, but you never know.
Would you like me to start posting on how right I was way back that the Browns seriously f**ked up not taking Ladinian Tomlinson? Or "It's a sin if we draft Quinn"? Forget Johnny Juicer and We-Done too? I don't need to puff out my chest on how "right" I was on those Steve... I'm just doing it now to refresh you memory. It would be the same bullshit. But a certain poster here needs to puff up his ego on an outlier. As I said already hindsight is 20\20...
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Speaking about picking quarterbacks, Draft classes, how good they can be......and who the BROWNS could have picked.
Who were the quarterbacks drafted ahead of Tom Brady?
The 2000 NFL Draft was thought to be weak at the quarterback position, so only six quarterbacks were selected with the first 198 picks of the draft. They were as follows:
Round Pick Player Team 1 18 Chad Pennington Jets 3 65 Giovanni Carmazzi 49ers 3 75 Chris Redman Ravens 5 163 Tee Martin Steelers 6 168 Marc Bulger Saints 6 183 Spurgeon Wynn Browns -
Who's that?
WSS
Oh, some ne're-do-well 6th rounder. Totally forgettable. Could have been coverboy for kick sand in his face Charles Atlas ad. ?
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In other words Cal was right and it pisses you off? Anyway pictures of Rosen without his shirt on, let's just say didn't fit the image of an NFL quarterback.
WSS
Nah- it pisses me off to no end that Cal is still breaking his arm slapping himself on the back and shouting from the rooftops years later that for once, he guessed right.... Perfect 20\20 hindsight. FWIW, as rare as it is that Josh Allen miraculously improved his accuracy, there's also in the same category QBs who sucked for years, and turned their careers around.. Like Jim Plunkett.
Can Rosen do the same? Unlikely, but you never know.
Would you like me to start posting on how right I was way back that the Browns seriously f**ked up not taking Ladinian Tomlinson? Or "It's a sin if we draft Quinn"? Forget Johnny Juicer and We-Done too? I don't need to puff out my chest on how "right" I was on those Steve... I'm just doing it now to refresh you memory. It would be the same bullshit. But a certain poster here needs to puff up his ego on an outlier. As I said already hindsight is 20\20...
Would you like me to start posting on how right I was way back that the Browns seriously f**ked up not taking Ladinian Tomlinson?
big difference. I nor anyone else went apecrap and threatened to kick you off the board or warning points over disagreeing with others about anything. That is it - you had weepsies and beetchies over me disagreeing with your peepsies. lol
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Would you like me to start posting on how right I was way back that the Browns seriously f**ked up not taking Ladinian Tomlinson?
big difference. I nor anyone else went apecrap and threatened to kick you off the board or warning points over disagreeing with others about anything. That is it - you had weepsies and beetchies over me disagreeing with your peepsies. lol
big difference. I nor anyone else went apecrap and threatened to kick you off the board or warning points over disagreeing with others about anything. That is it - you had weepsies and beetchies over me disagreeing with your peepsies. lol
Weepsies? Beetchies? Peepsies?
You should get a million warning points - whatever they are - just for writing that nonsense.
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Would you like me to start posting on how right I was way back that the Browns seriously f**ked up not taking Ladinian Tomlinson?
big difference. I nor anyone else went apecrap and threatened to kick you off the board or warning points over disagreeing with others about anything. That is it - you had weepsies and beetchies over me disagreeing with your peepsies. lol
big difference. I nor anyone else went apecrap and threatened to kick you off the board or warning points over disagreeing with others about anything. That is it - you had ( ?) weepsies and beetchies over me disagreeing with your peepsies. lol
I'm not sure I've ever seen those three words on a sports or any other kind of board and honestly do not know what they mean.
I'll take a big pass on that for now.
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big difference. I nor anyone else went apecrap and threatened to kick you off the board or warning points over disagreeing with others about anything. That is it - you had ( ?) weepsies and beetchies over me disagreeing with your peepsies. lol
I'm not sure I've ever seen those three words on a sports or any other kind of board and honestly do not know what they mean.
I'll take a big pass on that for now.
I'm not sure I've ever seen those three words on a sports or any other kind of board and honestly do not know what they mean.
I'll take a big pass on that for now.
sorry, you can ask Flugels - it's a old thing.....
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sorry, you can ask Flugels - it's a old thing.....
No, you are a big boy, you can explain to everyone why you write like you are a four year old who has suffered a stroke.
Edit: Or you can just show us the PMs between you and Flugels, since it is obvious reading his post that he is getting a lot of his talking points from you.
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sorry, you can ask Flugels - it's a old thing.....
OK I will and I will consider this whole thing as over -and- a good Sunday morning to everyone. ?
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And only. -11- days. until the HOF game and more importantly. -18- days until somebody will wear a BROWNS uniform under center in JAX as the starting quarterback for real and who out of the 4 might that be ?
Not Rosen, and check
️ out those seat prices for P1, I saw $20 on StubHub. Really?
No big rush to see who and versus PHI on NFLN on P2 at CLE. Tickets Starting at $8.82 ? I saw $7 on StubHub for P2, Real high school prices.
Oh God to finish this out I saw a bunch on P3 also on StubHub at $6 real junior high school prices.
I can't wait to see what hotdogs are, 2 for $5 ?
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Feeling all butt hurt and paranoid Cal? Really, I've had about enough of your bullshit... There's a difference between rational disagreement, and continuing to beat a dead horse that's rotting and smelling with illogic and spinning... Mainly because you can't admit (like someone else you worship) you can never admit you're wrong... For the record, you can't even recognize when other posters here are getting quite a laugh out of you diving into a rabbit hole with football POVs that have been debunked- multiple times... Reality hurts sometimes.. You should try it for a change. So keep on keeping on...
Yeah, you guessed right about Allen, now STFU about it...
8 hours ago was 12:30 am when you posted the angriest reply in the thread so spare us the lecture on rational and being paranoid.
Just because you're a mod, doesn't give you the right to bait and bully guys just so you can Barney Fife up a suspension. When you show up late after the wine tasting parties and hit up the Political Board thinking you're bringing the magical argument that has the difference of opinion suddenly saying "Hoorta really makes sense tonight" - is that rational Larry? You know that's not possible so why are you there at all? Show me 1 person on the right or left on opinionated message boards that has the ability to give 1 inch to the other side of political debate. You can't so you go there to bait and suspend? Is that why Axe couldn't post in here?
I've known and enjoyed you since 98; but this is wrong. Cal took a lot of shit for being the only guy that predicted Josh Allen was the best QB in his draft class and you know that. He always announces he's not a football expert all the time and you know that. You also know you're going to get a chorus of approval mostly from guys that dislike Cal from the political board and 1 or 2 others that have their reason for Whatever! He's also been with us since 98 and you didn't hate him back then.
The PROBLEM I see with the political board is the divide it creates in there spills over into here. We've even talked about this Larry. You can pretend otherwise; but look how angry you are. I also think if you're going to be a mod - you lose your right to suspend people you bait when you reply to them the way you did above at the hour you felt it was appropriate to do so. What the Hell did he do to you in this thread by reminding all those including me that gave him shit about Allen? Nothing that deserved the reply you gave him.
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Feeling all butt hurt and paranoid Cal? Really, I've had about enough of your bullshit... There's a difference between rational disagreement, and continuing to beat a dead horse that's rotting and smelling with illogic and spinning... Mainly because you can't admit (like someone else you worship) you can never admit you're wrong... For the record, you can't even recognize when other posters here are getting quite a laugh out of you diving into a rabbit hole with football POVs that have been debunked- multiple times... Reality hurts sometimes.. You should try it for a change. So keep on keeping on...
Yeah, you guessed right about Allen, now STFU about it...
8 hours ago was 12:30 am when you posted the angriest reply in the thread so spare us the lecture on rational and being paranoid.
Just because you're a mod, doesn't give you the right to bait and bully guys just so you can Barney Fife up a suspension. When you show up late after the wine tasting parties and hit up the Political Board thinking you're bringing the magical argument that has the difference of opinion suddenly saying "Hoorta really makes sense tonight" - is that rational Larry? You know that's not possible so why are you there at all? Show me 1 person on the right or left on opinionated message boards that has the ability to give 1 inch to the other side of political debate. You can't so you go there to bait and suspend? Is that why Axe couldn't post in here?
I've known and enjoyed you since 98; but this is wrong. Cal took a lot of shit for being the only guy that predicted Josh Allen was the best QB in his draft class and you know that. He always announces he's not a football expert all the time and you know that. You also know you're going to get a chorus of approval mostly from guys that dislike Cal from the political board and 1 or 2 others that have their reason for Whatever! He's also been with us since 98 and you didn't hate him back then.
The PROBLEM I see with the political board is the divide it creates in there spills over into here. We've even talked about this Larry. You can pretend otherwise; but look how angry you are. I also think if you're going to be a mod - you lose your right to suspend people you bait when you reply to them the way you did above at the hour you felt it was appropriate to do so. What the Hell did he do to you in this thread by reminding all those including me that gave him shit about Allen? Nothing that deserved the reply you gave him.
I've known and enjoyed you since 98; but this is wrong. Cal took a lot of shit for being the only guy that predicted Josh Allen was the best QB in his draft class and you know that. He always announces he's not a football expert all the time and you know that.
I'll stop you and this conversation right here. Nobody really gave a shit about Cal backing Josh Allen. Sure, on tape at the time, it looked REALLY dumb. But it is what it is. The issue I and several others took about it was Cal's way of handling himself, which is generally the theme when you run into him. The man has a complete inability to say his piece, do so rationally, then let the results play out. He has to reach for dumb cliche's and things that make little to no sense, and then bash you over the head with it.
Thread after thread, link after link. 1, 2,3,4,5...etc etc posts in a row, almost like the man is having a conversation with himself. Following it with the tenacity of a true sociopath. This is a guy that has all but renounced the Browns, but can't walk away from talking about it. The guys has hundreds of empty, unanswered threads on this board. Does that sound normal to you?
I had no problem with him not liking Rosen. But instead of pointing it out in X's and O's, he went the creepy uncle route. Posting pictures of Rosen with his girlfriend, asking why he dated a girl at a different school and somehow used that as a segway into "LeAdErShIp". So... yeah, naturally and deservedly so he caught shit for that.
I do recall also pointing out that the two things Cal loved most about Josh Allen, his size and big arm, were about the most invaluable traits at the time. Especially when you considered CLE had tried that with Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, Charlie Frye. I even went as far as the Bills drafting JP Losman and EJ Manuel to help further that point. At any time had there been a "Well I love his physical gifts and his eyes are very raw", then just left the Rosen thing along, you wouldn't have heard much of a peep. It isn't so much what we say, but how we go about saying it.
You are welcomed to go back and watch Allen's decision making, it was REAL bad. The product that he is now is a testament to Josh's work ethic, the Bills coaching staff, and most of all their patience. Why patience? Because for his first 2.5 seasons in the NFL, Josh Allen was arguably one of the very worst QB's in the league. This organization has run young QB's out of town in lesser time than that.
However you know what you didn't hear during that first 2.5 seasons? Cal... not a god damn word. He was more than willing, like so many others that didn't mention it, to not bring it up. It's not like we're the ones doing the drafting anyway. But Holy Hell, once Josh started to look pretty competent, you couldn't not* get Cal to mention it. You could have been talking about something completely unrelated to football - the economy, and the man would have spun it into "You know who else is working in this economy? Josh Allen" Showing a bit of humility can be endearing.
It's over the top, beyond annoying and repetitive. Of course in my time on this board before I truly joined the conversation, I do remember the man saying Weeden looked "elite" (That was Cal one of the few times he went to training camp, I believe?) and Johnny Manziel had the "it factor". So when your record is 1-2, it's often indicative of one's temperament to show a little humility.
When someone acts a fool... LOUDLY, then is asked to quiet down a bit, that person isn't some victim.
Look at the reaction I received to the work I put in to better understand Baker's struggles. I wasn't even given a measure of respectable input back from that crowd. No film work, no route concepts, no studies, nothing of originality to speak of. Just links, links, links that went no where and a few more links on top of that. No engagement, no "hey, you make a compelling point, I'm going to think about this".
I mean, have you seen me ever jump on here to post threads about players people disagreed with 2+ years later? Rhetorical, I've never done it once.
Riffer X alluded to it, but you'll notice a good deal of quality posters really don't show up here anymore. I've been here much more infrequently the last 6 months, I expect that trend to continue. When I get nothing back worth the time it takes to read, when no ground is made up that stirs intelligent conversation, then I'm wasting my own time. And I don't have the patience for that anymore, which is probably why my ignore list feels like half the board at this point.
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For what it's worth, I wanted the Browns to draft Greg Pruitt in 1973!!?
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I've known and enjoyed you since 98; but this is wrong. Cal took a lot of shit for being the only guy that predicted Josh Allen was the best QB in his draft class and you know that. He always announces he's not a football expert all the time and you know that.
I'll stop you and this conversation right here. Nobody really gave a shit about Cal backing Josh Allen. Sure, on tape at the time, it looked REALLY dumb. But it is what it is. The issue I and several others took about it was Cal's way of handling himself, which is generally the theme when you run into him. The man has a complete inability to say his piece, do so rationally, then let the results play out. He has to reach for dumb cliche's and things that make little to no sense, and then bash you over the head with it.
Thread after thread, link after link. 1, 2,3,4,5...etc etc posts in a row, almost like the man is having a conversation with himself. Following it with the tenacity of a true sociopath. This is a guy that has all but renounced the Browns, but can't walk away from talking about it. The guys has hundreds of empty, unanswered threads on this board. Does that sound normal to you?
I had no problem with him not liking Rosen. But instead of pointing it out in X's and O's, he went the creepy uncle route. Posting pictures of Rosen with his girlfriend, asking why he dated a girl at a different school and somehow used that as a segway into "LeAdErShIp". So... yeah, naturally and deservedly so he caught shit for that.
I do recall also pointing out that the two things Cal loved most about Josh Allen, his size and big arm, were about the most invaluable traits at the time. Especially when you considered CLE had tried that with Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, Charlie Frye. I even went as far as the Bills drafting JP Losman and EJ Manuel to help further that point. At any time had there been a "Well I love his physical gifts and his eyes are very raw", then just left the Rosen thing along, you wouldn't have heard much of a peep. It isn't so much what we say, but how we go about saying it.
You are welcomed to go back and watch Allen's decision making, it was REAL bad. The product that he is now is a testament to Josh's work ethic, the Bills coaching staff, and most of all their patience. Why patience? Because for his first 2.5 seasons in the NFL, Josh Allen was arguably one of the very worst QB's in the league. This organization has run young QB's out of town in lesser time than that.
However you know what you didn't hear during that first 2.5 seasons? Cal... not a god damn word. He was more than willing, like so many others that didn't mention it, to not bring it up. It's not like we're the ones doing the drafting anyway. But Holy Hell, once Josh started to look pretty competent, you couldn't not* get Cal to mention it. You could have been talking about something completely unrelated to football - the economy, and the man would have spun it into "You know who else is working in this economy? Josh Allen" Showing a bit of humility can be endearing.
It's over the top, beyond annoying and repetitive. Of course in my time on this board before I truly joined the conversation, I do remember the man saying Weeden looked "elite" (That was Cal one of the few times he went to training camp, I believe?) and Johnny Manziel had the "it factor". So when your record is 1-2, it's often indicative of one's temperament to show a little humility.
When someone acts a fool... LOUDLY, then is asked to quiet down a bit, that person isn't some victim.
Look at the reaction I received to the work I put in to better understand Baker's struggles. I wasn't even given a measure of respectable input back from that crowd. No film work, no route concepts, no studies, nothing of originality to speak of. Just links, links, links that went no where and a few more links on top of that. No engagement, no "hey, you make a compelling point, I'm going to think about this".
I mean, have you seen me ever jump on here to post threads about players people disagreed with 2+ years later? Rhetorical, I've never done it once.
Riffer X alluded to it, but you'll notice a good deal of quality posters really don't show up here anymore. I've been here much more infrequently the last 6 months, I expect that trend to continue. When I get nothing back worth the time it takes to read, when no ground is made up that stirs intelligent conversation, then I'm wasting my own time. And I don't have the patience for that anymore, which is probably why my ignore list feels like half the board at this point.
Riffer X alluded to it, but you'll notice a good deal of quality posters really don't show up here anymore. I've been here much more infrequently the last 6 months, I expect that trend to continue. When I get nothing back worth the time it takes to read, when no ground is made up that stirs intelligent conversation, then I'm wasting my own time. And I don't have the patience for that anymore, which is probably why my ignore list feels like half the board at this point.
Actually I do in fact enjoy immensely reading through the details of your analyses including the pictorial illustrations almost frame by frame to go with them. There is rarely anything I disagree with. Plus I don't have the computer skills to locate and analyze the way that you do, so it's a wash for me to even attempt such a thing either in agreement or (rarely) disagreement. Not trying to just butter you up, but an honest hope that you continue to do what you do here even though it obviously takes up a lot of your time. And I don't think I'm the only one who can relate to what I said.
As to cal well you just have to tolerate the redundant superfluous verbal drivel and take it for what it's worth., a one-sided conversation with himself with multiple run-on one-sided links to read/prove to himself alone the thoughts set in concrete that no one can penetrate with rationality.
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I've known and enjoyed you since 98; but this is wrong. Cal took a lot of shit for being the only guy that predicted Josh Allen was the best QB in his draft class and you know that. He always announces he's not a football expert all the time and you know that.
I'll stop you and this conversation right here. Nobody really gave a shit about Cal backing Josh Allen. Sure, on tape at the time, it looked REALLY dumb. But it is what it is. The issue I and several others took about it was Cal's way of handling himself, which is generally the theme when you run into him. The man has a complete inability to say his piece, do so rationally, then let the results play out. He has to reach for dumb cliche's and things that make little to no sense, and then bash you over the head with it.
Thread after thread, link after link. 1, 2,3,4,5...etc etc posts in a row, almost like the man is having a conversation with himself. Following it with the tenacity of a true sociopath. This is a guy that has all but renounced the Browns, but can't walk away from talking about it. The guys has hundreds of empty, unanswered threads on this board. Does that sound normal to you?
I had no problem with him not liking Rosen. But instead of pointing it out in X's and O's, he went the creepy uncle route. Posting pictures of Rosen with his girlfriend, asking why he dated a girl at a different school and somehow used that as a segway into "LeAdErShIp". So... yeah, naturally and deservedly so he caught shit for that.
I do recall also pointing out that the two things Cal loved most about Josh Allen, his size and big arm, were about the most invaluable traits at the time. Especially when you considered CLE had tried that with Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, Charlie Frye. I even went as far as the Bills drafting JP Losman and EJ Manuel to help further that point. At any time had there been a "Well I love his physical gifts and his eyes are very raw", then just left the Rosen thing along, you wouldn't have heard much of a peep. It isn't so much what we say, but how we go about saying it.
You are welcomed to go back and watch Allen's decision making, it was REAL bad. The product that he is now is a testament to Josh's work ethic, the Bills coaching staff, and most of all their patience. Why patience? Because for his first 2.5 seasons in the NFL, Josh Allen was arguably one of the very worst QB's in the league. This organization has run young QB's out of town in lesser time than that.
However you know what you didn't hear during that first 2.5 seasons? Cal... not a god damn word. He was more than willing, like so many others that didn't mention it, to not bring it up. It's not like we're the ones doing the drafting anyway. But Holy Hell, once Josh started to look pretty competent, you couldn't not* get Cal to mention it. You could have been talking about something completely unrelated to football - the economy, and the man would have spun it into "You know who else is working in this economy? Josh Allen" Showing a bit of humility can be endearing.
It's over the top, beyond annoying and repetitive. Of course in my time on this board before I truly joined the conversation, I do remember the man saying Weeden looked "elite" (That was Cal one of the few times he went to training camp, I believe?) and Johnny Manziel had the "it factor". So when your record is 1-2, it's often indicative of one's temperament to show a little humility.
When someone acts a fool... LOUDLY, then is asked to quiet down a bit, that person isn't some victim.
Look at the reaction I received to the work I put in to better understand Baker's struggles. I wasn't even given a measure of respectable input back from that crowd. No film work, no route concepts, no studies, nothing of originality to speak of. Just links, links, links that went no where and a few more links on top of that. No engagement, no "hey, you make a compelling point, I'm going to think about this".
I mean, have you seen me ever jump on here to post threads about players people disagreed with 2+ years later? Rhetorical, I've never done it once.
Riffer X alluded to it, but you'll notice a good deal of quality posters really don't show up here anymore. I've been here much more infrequently the last 6 months, I expect that trend to continue. When I get nothing back worth the time it takes to read, when no ground is made up that stirs intelligent conversation, then I'm wasting my own time. And I don't have the patience for that anymore, which is probably why my ignore list feels like half the board at this point.
I do remember the man saying Weeden looked "elite" (That was Cal one of the few times he went to training camp, I believe?) and Johnny Manziel had the "it factor".
Oh, self-appointed darth vader of the BB, please STFU. Here I thought you were done with the gang-up on hoorta hate-objects. My bad. You can ask others who aren't in your click - I was against jm on day one. Had ZERO use for him. And weeden? For one, Canton Mike and I talked about manziel a lot. We laughed, but I had no desire for him to be drafted.
And Weeden? haha. liar. I went back and searched - 14 results - and my last mention of him was in 2014. Weeden was drafted in 2012.
But thanks for showing you what you are - a giant ego that pompously butts in to protect his imaginary monumental superiority.
First time I disagreed with you on one of several points, you lost it, and a few groupies piled on.
People have left this board because of the alpha maie hostility around here. Everybody on this board can see that I haven't said one contrary thing to you for a long while. So, it's on you. I haven't posted all that much - but the watson saga - a disaster - and the fact that the browns signed rosen - I mean, when I read the title of thread, I LOL because I thought it was just a funny joke. Then I realized that it was real, I REALLY LOL.
So, since you jumped in -
here is why you are so mad. ....just so the entire forum can see it:
(I only have listed several - there are many more:
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tiamat63 replied to Tour2ma's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
...I think he would win a head to head QB battle as a rookie over any of those guys not name Rosen .April 16, 2018
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Taking anyone other than Rosen is just making life harder on yourself than it has to be.
April 14, 2018**********************tiamat63 replied to The Gipper's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
... Rosen , then BPA at 4 unless the trade down is minor and they can secure Ward a few pics later. Also Benkert mid/late round would be hot.tiamat63 replied to Westside Steve's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
Of course you could go for a QB that emulates TT but I feel like if you go away from Rosen you lose your chance to unlock the full potential of Landry in this offense with his work on the shallow, intermediate and middle of the field game that TT and Mayfield aren't known for.
April 10, 2018 ******************************tiamat63 replied to calfoxwc's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
...So to see Rosen slip to 10 and potentially watch him bloom would hurt my heart.May 24, 2018
tiamat63 replied to Tour2ma's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
...I think he would win a head to head QB battle as a rookie over any of those guys not name Rosen .April 16, 2018
tiamat63 replied to Tour2ma's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
...Bradley is my 2nd favorite player right behind Rosen .
tiamat63 replied to Orion's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
...That player is Rosen .February 26, 2018
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tiamat63 replied to tiamat63's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
Saw more from Rosen in one play alone than I've seen from Mayfield in 2 & 1/2 games. @2:44. Honestly, just watch. You have to appreciate all you just saw on this play. Downfield vision, poise, pocket presence and awareness then finally, identifying and delivering.
March 20, 2018
tiamat63 replied to Orion's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
...evidence does tend to point towards Rosen mechanically and mentally.March 12, 2018
tiamat63 replied to darren15's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
Bring on Rosen and benkert.March 9, 2018
tiamat63 replied to TexasAg1969's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
...Overall would be Rosen , health permitting. Ward is my #1 Boundary CB.March 4, 2018
tiamat63 replied to Orion's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
...I don't support Rosen because of his "stats". I back the kid because he's flashed high level traits and moments in nearly every game I've watched that would point to a quality NFL starter.February 26, 2018
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I've known and enjoyed you since 98; but this is wrong. Cal took a lot of shit for being the only guy that predicted Josh Allen was the best QB in his draft class and you know that. He always announces he's not a football expert all the time and you know that.
I'll stop you and this conversation right here. Nobody really gave a shit about Cal backing Josh Allen. Sure, on tape at the time, it looked REALLY dumb. But it is what it is. The issue I and several others took about it was Cal's way of handling himself, which is generally the theme when you run into him. The man has a complete inability to say his piece, do so rationally, then let the results play out. He has to reach for dumb cliche's and things that make little to no sense, and then bash you over the head with it.
Thread after thread, link after link. 1, 2,3,4,5...etc etc posts in a row, almost like the man is having a conversation with himself. Following it with the tenacity of a true sociopath. This is a guy that has all but renounced the Browns, but can't walk away from talking about it. The guys has hundreds of empty, unanswered threads on this board. Does that sound normal to you?
I had no problem with him not liking Rosen. But instead of pointing it out in X's and O's, he went the creepy uncle route. Posting pictures of Rosen with his girlfriend, asking why he dated a girl at a different school and somehow used that as a segway into "LeAdErShIp". So... yeah, naturally and deservedly so he caught shit for that.
I do recall also pointing out that the two things Cal loved most about Josh Allen, his size and big arm, were about the most invaluable traits at the time. Especially when you considered CLE had tried that with Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, Charlie Frye. I even went as far as the Bills drafting JP Losman and EJ Manuel to help further that point. At any time had there been a "Well I love his physical gifts and his eyes are very raw", then just left the Rosen thing along, you wouldn't have heard much of a peep. It isn't so much what we say, but how we go about saying it.
You are welcomed to go back and watch Allen's decision making, it was REAL bad. The product that he is now is a testament to Josh's work ethic, the Bills coaching staff, and most of all their patience. Why patience? Because for his first 2.5 seasons in the NFL, Josh Allen was arguably one of the very worst QB's in the league. This organization has run young QB's out of town in lesser time than that.
However you know what you didn't hear during that first 2.5 seasons? Cal... not a god damn word. He was more than willing, like so many others that didn't mention it, to not bring it up. It's not like we're the ones doing the drafting anyway. But Holy Hell, once Josh started to look pretty competent, you couldn't not* get Cal to mention it. You could have been talking about something completely unrelated to football - the economy, and the man would have spun it into "You know who else is working in this economy? Josh Allen" Showing a bit of humility can be endearing.
It's over the top, beyond annoying and repetitive. Of course in my time on this board before I truly joined the conversation, I do remember the man saying Weeden looked "elite" (That was Cal one of the few times he went to training camp, I believe?) and Johnny Manziel had the "it factor". So when your record is 1-2, it's often indicative of one's temperament to show a little humility.
When someone acts a fool... LOUDLY, then is asked to quiet down a bit, that person isn't some victim.
Look at the reaction I received to the work I put in to better understand Baker's struggles. I wasn't even given a measure of respectable input back from that crowd. No film work, no route concepts, no studies, nothing of originality to speak of. Just links, links, links that went no where and a few more links on top of that. No engagement, no "hey, you make a compelling point, I'm going to think about this".
I mean, have you seen me ever jump on here to post threads about players people disagreed with 2+ years later? Rhetorical, I've never done it once.
Riffer X alluded to it, but you'll notice a good deal of quality posters really don't show up here anymore. I've been here much more infrequently the last 6 months, I expect that trend to continue. When I get nothing back worth the time it takes to read, when no ground is made up that stirs intelligent conversation, then I'm wasting my own time. And I don't have the patience for that anymore, which is probably why my ignore list feels like half the board at this point.
I had no problem with him not liking Rosen. But instead of pointing it out in X's and O's, he went the creepy uncle route. Posting pictures of Rosen with his girlfriend, asking why he dated a girl at a different school and somehow used that as a segway into "LeAdErShIp". So... yeah, naturally and deservedly so he caught shit for that.
That is dishonest - josh rosen admitted he had "trouble with women" on the UCLA campus - in explaining the picture of his girlfriend from Arizona, them in the hottub.
It was just a funny extension of a conversion - but you have no sense of humor.
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Anybody want me to list more of Tiam's quotes on his "stuperstar" Josh Rosen? LOL
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So is this what cal's nonsense on the Poliboard looks like?
Just one post after another of him talking to himself?
Quality stuff, here.
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