Browns sign Rosen

[calfoxwc]

@riffer-x said:

Oooohh!

LOL. Actually, I wonder if there has been any other qb in college who also had a jacuzzi in their dorm room:

maybe.......Joe Namath?  Dan Fouts? Maybe not one?

[FY56]

@bob806 said:

For what it's worth, I wanted the Browns to draft Greg Pruitt in 1973!!?

If we're gonna go back that far I wanted the Browns to draft that entire Steeler team. lol

[Riffer X]

Just look at that smile.

Stoic & Wet Brady

Just look at that totally ripped throwing motion

A little flexin' with his bois

[FY56]

@hoorta said:

Yeah, you guessed right about Allen, now STFU about it...  

And if Cal ends up being right about Baker Mayfield as well?

Your battles with him were epic.

Not a Mayfield fan, but maybe I'll root for him to do well just to watch your head explode! LOL

[calfoxwc]

@riffer-x said:

Just look at that smile.

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EGAD, I can't even quote those pictures.  LOL

OMG. LOL. egad -

[Riffer X]

Seriously, I have no issues with signing Rosen, but I think Browns fans collectively are sleeping on Brissett. I went back and watched 4 of his starts from last year and really liked what I saw. Very hard to sack, is decisive and can make all the throws along with the ability to move the chains with his feet. He whiffs here and there like everybody else. but I'm not too concerned with having to play Jacoby. 

I think where the Browns are concerned is only having Dobbs to back up Brissett. They will need someone who can learn and be able to run the system if called upon should Brissett go down (all assuming Watson gets some sort of suspension of course). Whether Dobbs or Rosen would be next up will be determined by their performance in camp. They also need camp arms, and I don't think they are worried about developmental arms right now, just guys that can practice and play if called upon. 

[Dutch Oven]

@fy56 said:

And if Cal ends up being right about Baker Mayfield as well?

Your battles with him were epic.

Not a Mayfield fan, but maybe I'll root for him to do well just to watch your head explode! LOL

It's interesting how much you know about something that happened well before you joined this site, a little over three months ago. It's also interesting how you have a rooting interest in this fight, considering most of it happened well before you joined this site. It's also interesting how a site named THE BROWNS BOARD keeps getting new members whose first priority is the board's poli-board. 

Sorry to go off topic, everyone please continue posting shirtless pics of guys. 

[Dutch Oven]

@riffer-x said:

Seriously, I have no issues with signing Rosen, but I think Browns fans collectively are sleeping on Brissett. I went back and watched 4 of his starts from last year and really liked what I saw. Very hard to sack, is decisive and can make all the throws along with the ability to move the chains with his feet. He whiffs here and there like everybody else. but I'm not too concerned with having to play Jacoby. 

I think where the Browns are concerned is only having Dobbs to back up Brissett. They will need someone who can learn and be able to run the system if called upon should Brissett go down (all assuming Watson gets some sort of suspension of course). Whether Dobbs or Rosen would be next up will be determined by their performance in camp. They also need camp arms, and I don't think they are worried about developmental arms right now, just guys that can practice and play if called upon. 

Very good post. 

I hope you are right about Brissett, for the 4, 6, 8 or whatever amount of games he's suspended. There's a reason he's not a starter, but hopefully he can game manage the team through some 20-17 wins, and the run game and defense can carry the team until Watson plays. 

I think Dobbs and Rosen are extra arms - like baseball teams have early in Spring Training. Basically, the football version of Spring Training non-roster invites. Hell, it wouldn't even shock me if Brissett takes a seat to someone not even on the roster yet. This current front office has shown that they do not hesitate to upgrade the roster if they think they can. 

[mjp28]

I am glad to see everyone here venting all of their personal feelings,  opinions and more NOW at one time in ONE thread.

This is an open forum of members The BROWNS BOARD  a private group with some rules and guidelines to go by NOT a public place where anyone can say anything   they want.   We are united around our team the Cleveland Browns  but we invite other NFL fans to share their opinions  within certain guidelines .   

forum

noun

1. 1.

   a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged. (for example) 

   "it will be a forum for consumers  to exchange their views on medical research"  Here it would be BROWNS football,  sports or any number of our other forums.

    
2. 2.

   NORTH AMERICAN

   a court or tribunal.  <---  Well that would be Steve and his staff that try to steer this ship.

    

   So let's exchange our opinions and ideas and go about our interests in the upcoming games and all of the other forums offered here.   

    

   Thank you,   Michael   "mjp".

[mjp28]

@calfoxwc said:

Oh, self-appointed darth vader of the BB, please STFU. Here I thought you were done with the gang-up on hoorta hate-objects. My bad. You can ask others who aren't in your click - I was against jm on day one. Had ZERO use for him. And weeden? For one, Canton Mike and I talked about manziel a lot. We laughed, but I had no desire for him to be drafted.

   And Weeden? haha. liar. I went back and searched - 14 results - and my last mention of him was in 2014. Weeden was drafted in 2012.

   But thanks for showing you what you are - a giant ego that pompously butts in to protect his imaginary monumental superiority.

   First time I disagreed with you on one of several points, you lost it, and a few groupies piled on.

People have left this board because of the alpha maie hostility around here. Everybody on this board can see that I haven't said one contrary thing to you for a long while. So, it's on you. I haven't posted all that much - but the watson saga - a disaster - and the fact that the browns signed rosen - I mean, when I read the title of thread, I LOL because I thought it was just a funny joke. Then I realized that it was real, I REALLY LOL.

So, since you jumped in -

here is why you are so mad. ....just so the entire forum can see it:

(I only have listed several - there are many more:

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tiamat63 replied to Tour2ma's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
...I think he would win a head to head QB battle as a rookie over any of those guys not name Rosen .

    April 16, 2018

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    tiamat63 replied to Tour2ma's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
    Taking anyone other than Rosen is just making life harder on yourself than it has to be.
    April 14, 2018**********************

    tiamat63 replied to The Gipper's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
    ... Rosen , then BPA at 4 unless the trade down is minor and they can secure Ward a few pics later. Also Benkert mid/late round would be hot.

    tiamat63 replied to Westside Steve's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
    
 Of course you could go for a QB that emulates TT but I feel like if you go away from Rosen you lose your chance to unlock the full potential of Landry in this offense with his work on the shallow, intermediate and middle of the field game that TT and Mayfield aren't known for.
    April 10, 2018 ******************************

 tiamat63 replied to calfoxwc's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
...So to see Rosen slip to 10 and potentially watch him bloom would hurt my heart.

    May 24, 2018
 tiamat63 replied to Tour2ma's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
...I think he would win a head to head QB battle as a rookie over any of those guys not name Rosen .

    April 16, 2018
 tiamat63 replied to Tour2ma's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
...Bradley is my 2nd favorite player right behind Rosen .
 tiamat63 replied to Orion's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
...That player is Rosen .

    February 26, 2018
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 tiamat63 replied to tiamat63's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
Saw more from Rosen in one play alone than I've seen from Mayfield in 2 & 1/2 games. @2:44. Honestly, just watch. You have to appreciate all you just saw on this play. Downfield vision, poise, pocket presence and awareness then finally, identifying and delivering.

    March 20, 2018
 tiamat63 replied to Orion's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
...evidence does tend to point towards Rosen mechanically and mentally.

    March 12, 2018
 tiamat63 replied to darren15's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
Bring on Rosen and benkert.

    March 9, 2018
 tiamat63 replied to TexasAg1969's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
...Overall would be Rosen , health permitting. Ward is my #1 Boundary CB.

    March 4, 2018
 
tiamat63 replied to Orion's topic in THE BROWNS BOARD
...I don't support Rosen because of his "stats". I back the kid because he's flashed high level traits and moments in nearly every game I've watched that would point to a quality NFL starter.

    February 26, 2018

 

 

Hey Cal,  some research you've done  -but- a bit much here.

And I will make comments or PM people about their views from time to time.  Cal and I have been friends for my 6 years here although we do disagree on a few issues mainly political in nature.

But you can state your ideas and move on.  I'm sure Cal would agree with me on that.  

[mjp28]

@riffer-x said:

Just look at that smile.

Stoic & Wet Brady

Just look at that totally ripped throwing motion

A little flexin' with his bois

Hey Riffer, this spread looks like it's right out of a gay boys magazine......or is that just me.

Moving right along.    

[Orion]

@dutch-oven said:

I think Dobbs and Rosen are extra arms -

I agree more with Riffer on that.  I think they're looking for more than just 'extra arms'.  They're looking for someone who can start in case Brissette gets hurt.  They'll worry about a developmental diamond in the rough some other time.

[mjp28]

@orion said:

I agree more with Riffer on that.  I think they're looking for more than just 'extra arms'.  They're looking for someone who can start in case Brissette gets hurt.  They'll worry about a developmental diamond in the rough some other time.

I'm wondering if the BROWNS coaches and FO are just waiting for all of the pieces of this 2022 season are in so they can decide who will be the QB1, QB2 and maybe a QB3.  

I think there will be a few scenarios until this puzzle is finished.  Eventually it will be :

QB1 - Watson

QB2 - Brisset ?

QB3 - Who ever is left on the team / taxi squad ?  Someone will be traded or leave.

[Flugel]

@tiamat63 said:

I'll stop you and this conversation right here.    Nobody really gave a shit about Cal backing Josh Allen.  Sure, on tape at the time, it looked REALLY dumb.   But it is what it is.    The issue I and several others took about it was Cal's way of handling himself, which is generally the theme when you run into him.    The man has a complete inability to say his piece, do so rationally, then let the results play out.      He has to reach for dumb cliche's and things that make little to no sense, and then bash you over the head with it.

Thread after thread, link after link.  1, 2,3,4,5...etc etc posts in a row, almost like the man is having a conversation with himself.   Following it with the tenacity of a true sociopath.   This is a guy that has all but renounced the Browns, but can't walk away from talking about it. The guys has hundreds of empty, unanswered threads on this board.    Does that sound normal to you? 

I had no problem with him not liking Rosen.  But instead of pointing it out in X's and O's, he went the creepy uncle route.  Posting pictures of Rosen with his girlfriend, asking why he dated a girl at a different school and somehow used that as a segway into "LeAdErShIp".   So... yeah, naturally and deservedly so he caught shit for that.

I do recall also pointing out that the two things Cal loved most about Josh Allen, his size and big arm, were about the most invaluable traits at the time.  Especially when you considered CLE had tried that with Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, Charlie Frye.  I even went as far as the Bills drafting JP Losman and EJ Manuel to help further that point.  At any time had there been a "Well I love his physical gifts and his eyes are very raw", then just left the Rosen thing along, you wouldn't have heard much of a peep.   It isn't so much what we say, but how we go about saying it.    

You are welcomed to go back and watch Allen's decision making, it was REAL bad.   The product that he is now is a testament to Josh's work ethic, the Bills coaching staff, and most of all their patience.   Why patience? Because for his first 2.5 seasons in the NFL, Josh Allen was arguably one of the very worst QB's in the league.    This organization has run young QB's out of town in lesser time than that. 

However you know what you didn't hear during that first 2.5 seasons? Cal...      not a god damn word.     He was more than willing, like so many others that didn't mention it, to not bring it up.    It's not like we're the ones doing the drafting anyway.      But Holy Hell, once Josh started to look pretty competent, you couldn't not* get Cal to mention it.   You could have been talking about something completely unrelated to football - the economy, and the man would have spun it into "You know who else is working in this economy? Josh Allen"       Showing a bit of humility can be endearing.

It's over the top, beyond annoying and repetitive.     Of course in my time on this board before I truly joined the conversation, I do remember the man saying Weeden looked "elite" (That was Cal one of the few times he went to training camp, I believe?) and Johnny Manziel had the "it factor".        So when your record is  1-2, it's often indicative of one's temperament to show a little humility.

When someone acts a fool... LOUDLY, then is asked to quiet down a bit, that person isn't some victim.  

Look at the reaction I received to the work I put in to better understand Baker's struggles.    I wasn't even given a measure of respectable input back from that crowd.  No film work, no route concepts, no studies, nothing of originality to speak of.   Just links, links, links that went no where and a few more links on top of that.   No engagement, no "hey, you make a compelling point, I'm going to think about this".

I mean, have you seen me ever jump on here to post threads about players people disagreed with 2+ years later?  Rhetorical, I've never done it once.    

Riffer X alluded to it, but you'll notice a good deal of quality posters really don't show up here anymore.   I've been here much more infrequently the last 6 months, I expect that trend to continue.  When I get nothing back worth the time it takes to read, when no ground is made up that stirs intelligent conversation, then I'm wasting my own time.   And I don't have the patience for that anymore, which is probably why my ignore list feels like half the board at this point.

Regarding you and the time you spend putting together top quality football posts - I can't tell you how many times I've said to myself "I hope people appreciate the treat you provide with all the time, effort and passion you put into your posts."  The 1st day I met you we were hitting each other over the head with cyber mallets.  Back then, winning an argument was more important to us than a much better football conversation we could have had.  Having said that, we evolved to the extent we had some great football discussions despite differences of opinion.  And why?  We looked at all angles and possibilities just like football itself to see that there's a lot of right answers and some are better than others when we explain the whys. Not only that, we acknowledged when the other guy made a good point.  

I contacted Riffer X when Westside Steve was looking for help moderating; and even more so because he's a lot like you with the type of football IQ and content he can throw together for us.  We bonded years ago because we both played OL back in BC (Before Cellphones) and he had a great sense of humor.  This is where my aggravation comes in.  Just like some of my favorite posts of your's - he didn't get a lot of positive feedback for the effort and quality.   What tends to happen is 1 guy will make a comment somewhat related to the subject.  His enemy joins in to insult the comment and IQ of the guy that made it.  The rest of that thread becomes oneupsmanship, which pisses all over your efforts to the extent you have to be left wondering "why did I just waste my time here?"   We're not going to keep good quality posters here for long if that continues. However it's important for you and everyone to know there's people that rarely post but frequent this board to read the good football posts.  I say that so people don't leave here feeling like their time spent posting football stuff is not worth it. 

Where we disagree, I entered this thread because nobody got their balls busted worse and more frequently than Cal in the 2018 pre-draft QB discussions.  I'm not using the criteria that he has to have your football IQ or Tour's to pick his guy or why/how he goes about reading up as much as he can about the guy.  Again, none of us peg NFL QB prospects for a living so there's going to be a variety of ways guys go about their predictions in here.  I know Cal isn't popular in here these days; but he's always been a good friend to me.  I think the political board is the root of a lot of the way people perceive/feel about Cal. There's a spillover shortening the fuses when he comes to the football board. Hoorta is also a friend; but I did not like seeing the way he came after Cal in this thread.  All the reasons why are in my previous post. 

[Flugel]

@bob806 said:

For what it's worth, I wanted the Browns to draft Greg Pruitt in 1973!!?

My avatar appreciates you Bob!

[tiamat63]

@flugel said:

We bonded years ago because we both played OL back in BC (Before Cellphones)

And I appreciate the well thought-out response.     Although you aren't the reason, your words will continue to encourage me to be a little more... measured...  in my dealings with other posters.

That being said, the bolded part gave me a good laugh - I appreciate that.

@riffer-x said:

Seriously, I have no issues with signing Rosen, but I think Browns fans collectively are sleeping on Brissett. I went back and watched 4 of his starts from last year and really liked what I saw. Very hard to sack, is decisive and can make all the throws along with the ability to move the chains with his feet.

Currently working on something I should have done in the next few hours re: Jacoby.   You might want to check back then.

[mjp28]

@flugel said:

My avatar appreciates you Bob!

Gregory Donald Pruitt

Position: RB.   5-10, 190lb (178cm, 86kg)  Born: August 1. Hey almost his   71st   birthday. 

SUMMARY

CareerG 158. AV 82. Rush 1196.  Yds  5672.  Y/A  4.7. TD. 27. FantPt 1100.4

8, 1951 in Houston, TX (Age: 70-340d)

[calfoxwc]

@mjp28 said:

Gregory Donald Pruitt

Position: RB.   5-10, 190lb (178cm, 86kg)  Born: August 1. Hey almost his   71st   birthday. 

SUMMARY

CareerG 158. AV 82. Rush 1196.  Yds  5672.  Y/A  4.7. TD. 27. FantPt 1100.4

8, 1951 in Houston, TX (Age: 70-340d)

I'm some months older than Greg Pruitt???

.....cool. lol

[Riffer X]

@tiamat63 said:

And I appreciate the well thought-out response.     Although you aren't the reason, your words will continue to encourage me to be a little more... measured...  in my dealings with other posters.

That being said, the bolded part gave me a good laugh - I appreciate that.

Currently working on something I should have done in the next few hours re: Jacoby.   You might want to check back then.

Dude, I was going to ask you about throwing something together for Brissett. I can do it as well, but backed up at work and wouldn't be able to live with myself if I broke out the TinyTake for hours. There is some damn good film of Brissett, he can play.

[tiamat63]

@riffer-x said:

Dude, I was going to ask you about throwing something together for Brissett. I can do it as well, but backed up at work and wouldn't be able to live with myself if I broke out the TinyTake for hours. There is some damn good film of Brissett, he can play.

 I was able to draw some similar used concepts between Jacoby and Baker and a tendency they both have against single high and roll looks, though a bit more on the redemptive side for Jacoby.    I started it around 11am?  Almost 2pm now.  I should be done by 4ish.  

Mine is just a glimpse, nothing with an insane amount of detail which I would prefer.  But it has made me think twice about Brissett and the coaching staffs he has played under.   Keep an eye on my 'Prospects' thread.