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  • @nickers said:

    Hey why don't you quit deleting my damn posts.. Your getting all MSM/Commie now...

    I'd suggest you re-read Riffer's post earlier in the thread.  He essentially read the riot act... You start insulting or name calling here on the Browns Forum, it's going to get deleted. FWIW, I haven't deleted any posts on this forum in over a year.  

    @fy56 said:

    And if it did go away... what would stop any political innuendo being posted anyway? It's very easy to do.

    How about something like a strict warning stating that no political innuendo is allowed, otherwise your post will be deleted? Good idea?

    So what's stopping you from doing that now?

    How many moderators do we have? 3? Between the 3 it shouldn't be difficult to spot any violation and take care of business.

    That said, it's become clear to me that the desire to ban the poli board is less about political shit being posted here and more about you being upset over the political viewpoints of others.

    FYI, there's 4 moderators here..  Besides myself, there's mjp, RifferX, and uber Moderator Westside Steve. 

    & allow me to explain.  It would be a grey area as to what's "a political post" or not. I sure don't have the time- and neither do the other three Mods to read and potentially sensor every thread and post.  I hope it won't get him in trouble, but the hamster YouTube was a very clever dig at a certain poster. 😁 

    Since you're relatively new here, I became a Mod out of necessity.  I worked 2nd shift for decades, so I could keep an eye on the goings on late at night.  Some pissed off Jets fan thought it would be funny to post some pretty vile porn on the website at 2AM, and there wasn't a damn thing I could do about it at the time. So I became the Night Watchman of the Board. 

    RE: the bold... If your political POV is different than mine, fine- but be an adult about it. Repeated personal insults and attacks are SOP there if you have the wrong POV. I will say this- if the Political forum was Moderated on the level of respect we ask for here... 1\2 the posters on that Forum would be permanently banned. And not for their political POVs.... They'd be banned for acting like assholes, and immature ones at that. They behave that way because a certain Moderator lets them get away with it. FWIW, for the time being, I've had enough of the shit that goes on there, I need a mental break from it.  

    @hoorta said:

    ............................................................................................

    who are you? a post from 4 hrs ago - 3:42 in the afternoon.

    ah.

    never mind.

  • my two cents - maybe rosen plays qb for the browns vs the Panthers starting Mayfield.

       Mayfield - I hope he throws for 500 yards and 7 touchdowns, and rosen throws 9 interceptions, and zero touchdowns.

    For just that one game....

    "here we go, Panthers, here we go".

    Still thinking about going to the game.

    Okay, maybe that was 3 cents. lol

  • @nickers said:

    Hey why don't you quit deleting my damn posts.. Your getting all MSM/Commie now...

    I'd suggest you re-read Riffer's post earlier in the thread.  He essentially read the riot act... You start insulting or name calling here on the Browns Forum, it's going to get deleted. FWIW, I haven't deleted any posts on this forum in over a year.  

    @fy56 said:

    And if it did go away... what would stop any political innuendo being posted anyway? It's very easy to do.

    How about something like a strict warning stating that no political innuendo is allowed, otherwise your post will be deleted? Good idea?

    So what's stopping you from doing that now?

    How many moderators do we have? 3? Between the 3 it shouldn't be difficult to spot any violation and take care of business.

    That said, it's become clear to me that the desire to ban the poli board is less about political shit being posted here and more about you being upset over the political viewpoints of others.

    FYI, there's 4 moderators here..  Besides myself, there's mjp, RifferX, and uber Moderator Westside Steve. 

    & allow me to explain.  It would be a grey area as to what's "a political post" or not. I sure don't have the time- and neither do the other three Mods to read and potentially sensor every thread and post.  I hope it won't get him in trouble, but the hamster YouTube was a very clever dig at a certain poster. 😁 

    Since you're relatively new here, I became a Mod out of necessity.  I worked 2nd shift for decades, so I could keep an eye on the goings on late at night.  Some pissed off Jets fan thought it would be funny to post some pretty vile porn on the website at 2AM, and there wasn't a damn thing I could do about it at the time. So I became the Night Watchman of the Board. 

    RE: the bold... If your political POV is different than mine, fine- but be an adult about it. Repeated personal insults and attacks are SOP there if you have the wrong POV. I will say this- if the Political forum was Moderated on the level of respect we ask for here... 1\2 the posters on that Forum would be permanently banned. And not for their political POVs.... They'd be banned for acting like assholes, and immature ones at that. They behave that way because a certain Moderator lets them get away with it. FWIW, for the time being, I've had enough of the shit that goes on there, I need a mental break from it.  

    @hoorta said:

    I'd suggest you re-read Riffer's post earlier in the thread.  He essentially read the riot act... You start insulting or name calling here on the Browns Forum, it's going to get deleted. FWIW, I haven't deleted any posts on this forum in over a year.  

    FYI, there's 4 moderators here..  Besides myself, there's mjp, RifferX, and uber Moderator Westside Steve. 

    & allow me to explain.  It would be a grey area as to what's "a political post" or not. I sure don't have the time- and neither do the other three Mods to read and potentially sensor every thread and post.  I hope it won't get him in trouble, but the hamster YouTube was a very clever dig at a certain poster. 😁 

    Since you're relatively new here, I became a Mod out of necessity.  I worked 2nd shift for decades, so I could keep an eye on the goings on late at night.  Some pissed off Jets fan thought it would be funny to post some pretty vile porn on the website at 2AM, and there wasn't a damn thing I could do about it at the time. So I became the Night Watchman of the Board. 

    RE: the bold... If your political POV is different than mine, fine- but be an adult about it. Repeated personal insults and attacks are SOP there if you have the wrong POV. I will say this- if the Political forum was Moderated on the level of respect we ask for here... 1\2 the posters on that Forum would be permanently banned. And not for their political POVs.... They'd be banned for acting like assholes, and immature ones at that. They behave that way because a certain Moderator lets them get away with it. FWIW, for the time being, I've had enough of the shit that goes on there, I need a mental break from it.  

    Oh c'mon man grow a pair will ya?... all I basically said was Dutch needs to grow up and quit acting like a pompous ass... it was in response to what Riff said... I suggest you re-read again...

  • @hoorta said:

    I'd suggest you re-read Riffer's post earlier in the thread.  He essentially read the riot act... You start insulting or name calling here on the Browns Forum, it's going to get deleted. FWIW, I haven't deleted any posts on this forum in over a year.  

    FYI, there's 4 moderators here..  Besides myself, there's mjp, RifferX, and uber Moderator Westside Steve. 

    & allow me to explain.  It would be a grey area as to what's "a political post" or not. I sure don't have the time- and neither do the other three Mods to read and potentially sensor every thread and post.  I hope it won't get him in trouble, but the hamster YouTube was a very clever dig at a certain poster. 😁 

    Since you're relatively new here, I became a Mod out of necessity.  I worked 2nd shift for decades, so I could keep an eye on the goings on late at night.  Some pissed off Jets fan thought it would be funny to post some pretty vile porn on the website at 2AM, and there wasn't a damn thing I could do about it at the time. So I became the Night Watchman of the Board. 

    RE: the bold... If your political POV is different than mine, fine- but be an adult about it. Repeated personal insults and attacks are SOP there if you have the wrong POV. I will say this- if the Political forum was Moderated on the level of respect we ask for here... 1\2 the posters on that Forum would be permanently banned. And not for their political POVs.... They'd be banned for acting like assholes, and immature ones at that. They behave that way because a certain Moderator lets them get away with it. FWIW, for the time being, I've had enough of the shit that goes on there, I need a mental break from it.  

    Oh c'mon man grow a pair will ya?... all I basically said was Dutch needs to grow up and quit acting like a pompous ass... it was in response to what Riff said... I suggest you re-read again...

    @nickers said:

    Oh c'mon man grow a pair will ya?... all I basically said was Dutch needs to grow up and quit acting like a pompous ass... it was in response to what Riff said... I suggest you re-read again...

    I am truly, truly sorry I hurt your feelings, nickers.

  • @fy56 said:

    And if it did go away... what would stop any political innuendo being posted anyway? It's very easy to do.

    How about something like a strict warning stating that no political innuendo is allowed, otherwise your post will be deleted? Good idea?

    So what's stopping you from doing that now?

    How many moderators do we have? 3? Between the 3 it shouldn't be difficult to spot any violation and take care of business.

    That said, it's become clear to me that the desire to ban the poli board is less about political shit being posted here and more about you being upset over the political viewpoints of others.

    YEP. Exactly. But one mod happily allowed the one side to sneak in, I know, because I (I was born a goofy comedian child) - posted an opposite view (both pictures of people....that also was bad), and only mine got deleted.

    "ha ha". This board needs to grow - but I have friends who have come and left, and were here for a long time and refuse to come back. The belligerent slurs spew forth just because a few parties demand compliance with their opinions, or else. It's been a while now, but somebody actually berated me hugely, simply because I had a different opinion, and said I should STFU because never played sports.

       Really? I was never allowed to play per my surgeon who rebuilt my knee in the summer before the ninth grade. I mean, ridiculing somebody else..for disagreeing with them because they are in a wheelchair????????????

       well, crap. I just had opinions and never played football. dammit.                  

    @calfoxwc said:

       Really? I was never allowed to play per my surgeon who rebuilt my knee in the summer before the ninth grade. I mean, ridiculing somebody else..for disagreeing with them because they are in a wheelchair????????????

    I've always found this story of yours very interesting. 

    You hurt your knee so bad, I'm guessing sometime in the mid/late 1960s, that it required knee surgery. Your doctor forbade you from playing football for the entirity of your high school years, I'm guessing because one injury to your surgically-repaired knee could be catastrophic. Back when knee surgery was in its infancy. 

    Then you graduate high school, pass a physical, and join the Air Force. 

    Must have been a miracle knee, I guess.  

  • Jake Burns.. Josh Rosen film room

    https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/LongFormArticle/cleveland-browns-josh-rosen-film-room-190458623/#190458623_1

    same  Weaknesses

    • Carries ball low in pocket with slight upward pre-throw hitch (check..play like 6'4)
    • Decision making and post-snap reads are inconsistent
    • May need to make greater effort to drive ball on seam throws
    • Lacks gun to challenge safeties with rip throws over the top
    • Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move
    • Extends plays and takes unnecessary chances rather than throwing it away

     preseason games with backups and Dobbs vs Rosen...  Oh My !

  • 2 Cents.    I like it here because the mods are pretty cool.  They let ya go off topic.  They let ya say stuff.  It's a cool place.

    Political boards:   The political country is in a major divide.   The democrats absolutely hate republicans.  And it's the same in reverse.  The two groups CANNOT discuss with one another.  You would have to have TWO political forums.  One for dems and one for republicans.   To bring them together is just gonna make people dislike one another to the core.  

    I never go to that forum.  I wouldn't be able to make anyone from the opposing point of view understand what I think is proper and isn't.....and I would just learn to hate, what, 50% of you?

    You can't have a guns vs non guns forum.  You can't have a religion forum.  You can't have an abortion forum.  Etc.   You are not allowed to discuss third rail topics at work because it destroys morale and pisses people off.  

    That's my 2 cents on third rail forums.   

    @orion said:

    2 Cents.    I like it here because the mods are pretty cool.  They let ya go off topic.  They let ya say stuff.  It's a cool place.

    Political boards:   The political country is in a major divide.   The democrats absolutely hate republicans.  And it's the same in reverse.  The two groups CANNOT discuss with one another.  You would have to have TWO political forums.  One for dems and one for republicans.   To bring them together is just gonna make people dislike one another to the core.  

    I never go to that forum.  I wouldn't be able to make anyone from the opposing point of view understand what I think is proper and isn't.....and I would just learn to hate, what, 50% of you?

    You can't have a guns vs non guns forum.  You can't have a religion forum.  You can't have an abortion forum.  Etc.   You are not allowed to discuss third rail topics at work because it destroys morale and pisses people off.  

    That's my 2 cents on third rail forums.   

    An astute observation Orion... Opinions are so dug in you're not going to change anyone's mind. A little OT and political forum POV from me, FYI... But it needs to be said. The guys on our political forum wouldn't last a week if they ventured over to the Washington Post's discussions that follow almost every article. Their spew would almost instantly be deleted, and they'd be banned from posting.  

    Should you go to liberal leaning blogs like Farron Cousins, Glen Kirchner, David Packman, or even posting alt-right opinions on MSNBC YouTubes... The trolls and folks who are still drinking Trump Kool-Aid are immediately outed, reported, and generally laughed at. 

  • I never injured my knee - btw, I had osgood/schlatters in my knees very young, somehow, and it progressed to where it started to come apart and I developed a trick knee. The major part of the restructuring was relocating the connection of the patellar ligment sp? to the tibia. Another was structuring the tibia to allow the kneecap to have a new path up and down. At the time I enlisted, my knee was doing fine, unless I played football with my friends - then I would not sleep much at night. w-a-a-a. But when your kneecap dislocates - you wish God would let you go unconscious.

    which, btw, I was draft exempt in 1970 because of my knee, they sent me home. I enlisted in '73, after leaving college, to have a job to help my family pay all their bills during a very hostile long strike. I wanted to go into the Navy, but the recruiter said I would never pass the physical, the only chance at all, would be the Air Force. So, that was that. Except, they were going to send me home again, in the physical, after a few x-rays, but I said they had to let me try, told them why, and said one rubber company already closed and there were a thousand applicants for even a part-time store clerk job. So, after the dr.s consulted, they let me go ahead, but said they thought my knee would never make it.

    The scar on my knee is close to 11 3/4 inches long, a third of an inch or so wide. It was back in the day, see.

    When I finally got my knee replaced, I was told they gasped at my knee when they opened it up - my surgeon said he'd done thousands of knees, and mine was the second worst he'd ever seen.

    The rest of the story - only friends know. The End.

  • my two cents - maybe rosen plays qb for the browns vs the Panthers starting Mayfield.

       Mayfield - I hope he throws for 500 yards and 7 touchdowns, and rosen throws 9 interceptions, and zero touchdowns.

    For just that one game....

    "here we go, Panthers, here we go".

    Still thinking about going to the game.

    Okay, maybe that was 3 cents. lol

    @calfoxwc said:

    Mayfield - I hope he throws for 500 yards and 7 touchdowns, and rosen throws 9 interceptions, and zero touchdowns.

    For just that one game....

    "here we go, Panthers, here we go".

    I just don't get that at all. Either you're a Browns fan regardless of how p.o.'d they make you sometimes or you're not. You don't hope the worst for your team ever. Nor do you ever root for a former player you liked to beat them just to prove yourself right that they should not have let him go. That's just not being a true fan IMO. God knows after watching OU & A&M request the clock be running all the time in the second half of a 66-0 OU rout of my Aggies I was thinking Francione is the worst coach in our history. I was fit to be tied. But I never rooted for them to lose to anybody so we could be rid of him. That makes zero sense for a real fan of a team.

  • I never injured my knee - btw, I had osgood/schlatters in my knees very young, somehow, and it progressed to where it started to come apart and I developed a trick knee. The major part of the restructuring was relocating the connection of the patellar ligment sp? to the tibia. Another was structuring the tibia to allow the kneecap to have a new path up and down. At the time I enlisted, my knee was doing fine, unless I played football with my friends - then I would not sleep much at night. w-a-a-a. But when your kneecap dislocates - you wish God would let you go unconscious.

    which, btw, I was draft exempt in 1970 because of my knee, they sent me home. I enlisted in '73, after leaving college, to have a job to help my family pay all their bills during a very hostile long strike. I wanted to go into the Navy, but the recruiter said I would never pass the physical, the only chance at all, would be the Air Force. So, that was that. Except, they were going to send me home again, in the physical, after a few x-rays, but I said they had to let me try, told them why, and said one rubber company already closed and there were a thousand applicants for even a part-time store clerk job. So, after the dr.s consulted, they let me go ahead, but said they thought my knee would never make it.

    The scar on my knee is close to 11 3/4 inches long, a third of an inch or so wide. It was back in the day, see.

    When I finally got my knee replaced, I was told they gasped at my knee when they opened it up - my surgeon said he'd done thousands of knees, and mine was the second worst he'd ever seen.

    The rest of the story - only friends know. The End.

    @calfoxwc said:

     At the time I enlisted, my knee was doing fine, unless I played football with my friends - then I would not sleep much at night. w-a-a-a. But when your kneecap dislocates - you wish God would let you go unconscious.

    which, btw, I was draft exempt in 1970 because of my knee, they sent me home. I enlisted in '73, after leaving college, to have a job to help my family pay all their bills during a very hostile long strike. I wanted to go into the Navy, but the recruiter said I would never pass the physical, the only chance at all, would be the Air Force. 

    That's interesting... playing backyard football would cause your knee such discomfort that you couldn't sleep at night, but your knee could make it through basic training. Now, I know some don't consider basic training in the Air Force to be very hard, I believe a Poliboard buddy of yours referred to the Air Force as being filled with pansies (or did he say pussies? I don't know, I heard this second-hand) but still, I'm surprised you and your knee could make it through it. Hats off to you! 

  • @calfoxwc said:

    Mayfield - I hope he throws for 500 yards and 7 touchdowns, and rosen throws 9 interceptions, and zero touchdowns.

    For just that one game....

    "here we go, Panthers, here we go".

    I just don't get that at all. Either you're a Browns fan regardless of how p.o.'d they make you sometimes or you're not. You don't hope the worst for your team ever. Nor do you ever root for a former player you liked to beat them just to prove yourself right that they should not have let him go. That's just not being a true fan IMO. God knows after watching OU & A&M request the clock be running all the time in the second half of a 66-0 OU rout of my Aggies I was thinking Francione is the worst coach in our history. I was fit to be tied. But I never rooted for them to lose to anybody so we could be rid of him. That makes zero sense for a real fan of a team.

    @texasag1969 said:

    I just don't get that at all. Either you're a Browns fan regardless of how p.o.'d they make you sometimes or you're not. You don't hope the worst for your team ever. Nor do you ever root for a former player you liked to beat them just to prove yourself right that they should not have let him go. That's just not being a true fan IMO. God knows after watching OU & A&M request the clock be running all the time in the second half of a 66-0 OU rout of my Aggies I was thinking Francione is the worst coach in our history. I was fit to be tied. But I never rooted for them to lose to anybody so we could be rid of him. That makes zero sense for a real fan of a team.

    You do realize that this entire season is going to be, on this board, a group of Browns fans rooting for the Browns to win fighting with a group of Browns fans openly rooting for the Browns to lose, right? 

    Have fun, mods. 

  • @calfoxwc said:

     At the time I enlisted, my knee was doing fine, unless I played football with my friends - then I would not sleep much at night. w-a-a-a. But when your kneecap dislocates - you wish God would let you go unconscious.

    which, btw, I was draft exempt in 1970 because of my knee, they sent me home. I enlisted in '73, after leaving college, to have a job to help my family pay all their bills during a very hostile long strike. I wanted to go into the Navy, but the recruiter said I would never pass the physical, the only chance at all, would be the Air Force. 

    That's interesting... playing backyard football would cause your knee such discomfort that you couldn't sleep at night, but your knee could make it through basic training. Now, I know some don't consider basic training in the Air Force to be very hard, I believe a Poliboard buddy of yours referred to the Air Force as being filled with pansies (or did he say pussies? I don't know, I heard this second-hand) but still, I'm surprised you and your knee could make it through it. Hats off to you! 

    @dutch-oven said:

    That's interesting... playing backyard football would cause your knee such discomfort that you couldn't sleep at night, but your knee could make it through basic training. Now, I know some don't consider basic training in the Air Force to be very hard, I believe a Poliboard buddy of yours referred to the Air Force as being filled with pansies (or did he say pussies? I don't know, I heard this second-hand) but still, I'm surprised you and your knee could make it through it. Hats off to you! 

    ok, I actually read this post - my friends would never let me qb. Or wr. I usually blocked on the line, and pass defended/lb. One time, the other team, several of them from another hs,  kicked off right to me, laughing. My friends heard they were going to, and said for me to pitch back and block - I didn't have to prove anything to those jerks. I got pissed, hesitated, and took off. My friends were terrified, but I had spent my youth studying Leroy Kelly's every move - I wanted to be a rb and after the second-to-lsat guywho couldn't get to me, I faced the last guy - who played cb for a hs team - so I knew I couldn't juke him so I went up into the air, put my hip into his shoulder, we both slammed to the ground, and I did not fumble the ball when I landed hard on my shoulder. Good times. I was 3' short of a td. Scared I did, but didn't hurt my knee. Fights broke out...etc.

    But yes, I was used to putting ice bags on my knee after that kind of activity. I loved the game - it was fun blocking on the line vs bigger guys. I would trap block them best I could, etc, sometimes got bowled over if they guessed right. lol. It was fun.

       And in basic, about the 6th week - my knee swelled up badly, and I couldn't really set my heel in, so I faked it. But, one of the our two meanest TI's who was also funny at times - marched next to me a few times and asked me quietly how my knee was. Dammit - they noticed. I lied and said "Sir, fine, sir". I remember he shook his head and gave me the look. Combat boots on a paved track, 1/2 mile, 3/4 mile, 1 mile, my knee was in bad shape.

    The rest of the story, nah.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    That's interesting... playing backyard football would cause your knee such discomfort that you couldn't sleep at night, but your knee could make it through basic training. Now, I know some don't consider basic training in the Air Force to be very hard, I believe a Poliboard buddy of yours referred to the Air Force as being filled with pansies (or did he say pussies? I don't know, I heard this second-hand) but still, I'm surprised you and your knee could make it through it. Hats off to you! 

    ok, I actually read this post - my friends would never let me qb. Or wr. I usually blocked on the line, and pass defended/lb. One time, the other team, several of them from another hs,  kicked off right to me, laughing. My friends heard they were going to, and said for me to pitch back and block - I didn't have to prove anything to those jerks. I got pissed, hesitated, and took off. My friends were terrified, but I had spent my youth studying Leroy Kelly's every move - I wanted to be a rb and after the second-to-lsat guywho couldn't get to me, I faced the last guy - who played cb for a hs team - so I knew I couldn't juke him so I went up into the air, put my hip into his shoulder, we both slammed to the ground, and I did not fumble the ball when I landed hard on my shoulder. Good times. I was 3' short of a td. Scared I did, but didn't hurt my knee. Fights broke out...etc.

    But yes, I was used to putting ice bags on my knee after that kind of activity. I loved the game - it was fun blocking on the line vs bigger guys. I would trap block them best I could, etc, sometimes got bowled over if they guessed right. lol. It was fun.

       And in basic, about the 6th week - my knee swelled up badly, and I couldn't really set my heel in, so I faked it. But, one of the our two meanest TI's who was also funny at times - marched next to me a few times and asked me quietly how my knee was. Dammit - they noticed. I lied and said "Sir, fine, sir". I remember he shook his head and gave me the look. Combat boots on a paved track, 1/2 mile, 3/4 mile, 1 mile, my knee was in bad shape.

    The rest of the story, nah.

    @calfoxwc said:

    And in basic, about the 6th week - my knee swelled up badly, and I couldn't really set my heel in, so I faked it. But, one of the our two meanest TI's who was also funny at times - marched next to me a few times and asked me quietly how my knee was. Dammit - they noticed. I lied and said "Sir, fine, sir". I remember he shook his head and gave me the look. Combat boots on a paved track, 1/2 mile, 3/4 mile, 1 mile, my knee was in bad shape.

    You know the difference between a fairy tale and a war story?

    Fairy tale starts out, "Once upon a time....."

    War story starts out, "This ain't no shit....."

    LOL! Just foolin' with ya! Sometimes when people want to know something of what I was involved with in Vietnam I just preface it with that little ditty. ??

  • @texasag1969 said:

    I just don't get that at all. Either you're a Browns fan regardless of how p.o.'d they make you sometimes or you're not. You don't hope the worst for your team ever. Nor do you ever root for a former player you liked to beat them just to prove yourself right that they should not have let him go. That's just not being a true fan IMO. God knows after watching OU & A&M request the clock be running all the time in the second half of a 66-0 OU rout of my Aggies I was thinking Francione is the worst coach in our history. I was fit to be tied. But I never rooted for them to lose to anybody so we could be rid of him. That makes zero sense for a real fan of a team.

    You do realize that this entire season is going to be, on this board, a group of Browns fans rooting for the Browns to win fighting with a group of Browns fans openly rooting for the Browns to lose, right? 

    Have fun, mods. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    You do realize that this entire season is going to be, on this board, a group of Browns fans rooting for the Browns to win fighting with a group of Browns fans openly rooting for the Browns to lose, right? 

    Have fun, mods. 

    I look at it as 90-95% of the true Cleveland BROWNS  fans to root on for our Browns to win despite everything in the past.  Remember too winning cures a lot of ills.  Openly rooting to lose ?  Really this is not 0-16 again....not near that.

    And the remaining 5-10% (probably less)   eh, we'll deal with them each week.  I think maybe 3 or 4 wise guys but they won't be a problem for long...lol.  now a 6-11 season and all bets are off !    I do think they might make a WC try, we'll see on that too. A +/- .500 season may also depend on how they do in the first half of the season. 

    We all absolutely know what has happened up to July 26 and why,  it's unknown that is the interesting part.  Bet on an 8-9 or 9-8 season is anyone's guess right now.  We'll know more September 11, 2022.

    GO BROWNS,   just win baby.

  • I end up rooting for all of the cast off former Browns players.

    That includes Jarvis Landry, Baker Mayfield, but not Joe Shobert.

    I never cheer for the fucking Stoolers or any of their players…ex Browns or not.

  • I end up rooting for all of the cast off former Browns players.

    That includes Jarvis Landry, Baker Mayfield, but not Joe Shobert.

    I never cheer for the fucking Stoolers or any of their players…ex Browns or not.

    @canton-dawg said:

    I end up rooting for all of the cast off former Browns players.

    That includes Jarvis Landry, Baker Mayfield, but not Joe Shobert.

    I never cheer for the fucking Stoolers or any of their players…ex Browns or not.

    I can see Landry a class act, now Baker Reagan Mayfield played tough   -but-  was a bit cocky at times  both  off and occasionally on the field.

    Game 1  we'll see how much BRM is on target,  I'll root for him starting in Game 2.   Would love to see him again in the playoffs.    😆

  • @calfoxwc said:

    Mayfield - I hope he throws for 500 yards and 7 touchdowns, and rosen throws 9 interceptions, and zero touchdowns.

    For just that one game....

    "here we go, Panthers, here we go".

    I just don't get that at all. Either you're a Browns fan regardless of how p.o.'d they make you sometimes or you're not. You don't hope the worst for your team ever. Nor do you ever root for a former player you liked to beat them just to prove yourself right that they should not have let him go. That's just not being a true fan IMO. God knows after watching OU & A&M request the clock be running all the time in the second half of a 66-0 OU rout of my Aggies I was thinking Francione is the worst coach in our history. I was fit to be tied. But I never rooted for them to lose to anybody so we could be rid of him. That makes zero sense for a real fan of a team.

    @texasag1969 said:

    I just don't get that at all. Either you're a Browns fan regardless of how p.o.'d they make you sometimes or you're not. You don't hope the worst for your team ever. Nor do you ever root for a former player you liked to beat them just to prove yourself right that they should not have let him go. That's just not being a true fan IMO. God knows after watching OU & A&M request the clock be running all the time in the second half of a 66-0 OU rout of my Aggies I was thinking Francione is the worst coach in our history. I was fit to be tied. But I never rooted for them to lose to anybody so we could be rid of him. That makes zero sense for a real fan of a team.

    Said it a bunch of times.. Not a Watson fan, but it is what it is... Players come and go, other than the very top players. NFL- Not For Long.  Unless you're some kind of Browns geek with a photographic memory, you probably couldn't even name ten Browns players on that team from the 2012 season.  I weathered 1-15, and 0-16.. Folks asked me "why don't you dump your season tickets?"  They don't understand.

    If you're rooting for your team to lose, just because you like a former player?  That's just wrong.  🙁   

  • @texasag1969 said:

    I just don't get that at all. Either you're a Browns fan regardless of how p.o.'d they make you sometimes or you're not. You don't hope the worst for your team ever. Nor do you ever root for a former player you liked to beat them just to prove yourself right that they should not have let him go. That's just not being a true fan IMO. God knows after watching OU & A&M request the clock be running all the time in the second half of a 66-0 OU rout of my Aggies I was thinking Francione is the worst coach in our history. I was fit to be tied. But I never rooted for them to lose to anybody so we could be rid of him. That makes zero sense for a real fan of a team.

    Said it a bunch of times.. Not a Watson fan, but it is what it is... Players come and go, other than the very top players. NFL- Not For Long.  Unless you're some kind of Browns geek with a photographic memory, you probably couldn't even name ten Browns players on that team from the 2012 season.  I weathered 1-15, and 0-16.. Folks asked me "why don't you dump your season tickets?"  They don't understand.

    If you're rooting for your team to lose, just because you like a former player?  That's just wrong.  🙁   

    @hoorta said:

    Said it a bunch of times.. Not a Watson fan, but it is what it is... Players come and go, other than the very top players. NFL- Not For Long.  Unless you're some kind of Browns geek with a photographic memory, you probably couldn't even name ten Browns players on that team from the 2012 season.  I weathered 1-15, and 0-16.. Folks asked me "why don't you dump your season tickets?"  They don't understand.

    If you're rooting for your team to lose, just because you like a former player?  That's just wrong.  🙁   

    I'm not rooting for them to lose... But I would love for Baker to get some revenge.. Whether you like him or not... He got fucked over...

  • @texasag1969 said:

    I just don't get that at all. Either you're a Browns fan regardless of how p.o.'d they make you sometimes or you're not. You don't hope the worst for your team ever. Nor do you ever root for a former player you liked to beat them just to prove yourself right that they should not have let him go. That's just not being a true fan IMO. God knows after watching OU & A&M request the clock be running all the time in the second half of a 66-0 OU rout of my Aggies I was thinking Francione is the worst coach in our history. I was fit to be tied. But I never rooted for them to lose to anybody so we could be rid of him. That makes zero sense for a real fan of a team.

    Said it a bunch of times.. Not a Watson fan, but it is what it is... Players come and go, other than the very top players. NFL- Not For Long.  Unless you're some kind of Browns geek with a photographic memory, you probably couldn't even name ten Browns players on that team from the 2012 season.  I weathered 1-15, and 0-16.. Folks asked me "why don't you dump your season tickets?"  They don't understand.

    If you're rooting for your team to lose, just because you like a former player?  That's just wrong.  🙁   

    @hoorta said:

    Said it a bunch of times.. Not a Watson fan, but it is what it is... Players come and go, other than the very top players. NFL- Not For Long.  Unless you're some kind of Browns geek with a photographic memory, you probably couldn't even name ten Browns players on that team from the 2012 season.  I weathered 1-15, and 0-16.. Folks asked me "why don't you dump your season tickets?"  They don't understand.

    If you're rooting for your team to lose, just because you like a former player?  That's just wrong.  🙁   

    Opening day 2012 team? 

    QB weeden

    1Back Richardson 

    2back Obby

    TE1 Cam Jordan

    LT - Joe

    LG - Lavaou

    C - Mack 

    RG - pinkston? I think 

    RT - Schwartz

    LE - Sheard

    Nose - Phil Taylor

    DT - I want to say Hughes? 

    RE - Frosty 

    LB - DQ

    LB - from the eagles...shit... trying to remember his name - him. 

    DBs - Haden, Sheldon Brown, TJ, Usama Young? I think? 

    How'd I do?  That was without google 

  • @texasag1969 said:

    I just don't get that at all. Either you're a Browns fan regardless of how p.o.'d they make you sometimes or you're not. You don't hope the worst for your team ever. Nor do you ever root for a former player you liked to beat them just to prove yourself right that they should not have let him go. That's just not being a true fan IMO. God knows after watching OU & A&M request the clock be running all the time in the second half of a 66-0 OU rout of my Aggies I was thinking Francione is the worst coach in our history. I was fit to be tied. But I never rooted for them to lose to anybody so we could be rid of him. That makes zero sense for a real fan of a team.

    Said it a bunch of times.. Not a Watson fan, but it is what it is... Players come and go, other than the very top players. NFL- Not For Long.  Unless you're some kind of Browns geek with a photographic memory, you probably couldn't even name ten Browns players on that team from the 2012 season.  I weathered 1-15, and 0-16.. Folks asked me "why don't you dump your season tickets?"  They don't understand.

    If you're rooting for your team to lose, just because you like a former player?  That's just wrong.  🙁   

    @hoorta said:

    Said it a bunch of times.. Not a Watson fan, but it is what it is... Players come and go, other than the very top players. NFL- Not For Long.  Unless you're some kind of Browns geek with a photographic memory, you probably couldn't even name ten Browns players on that team from the 2012 season.  I weathered 1-15, and 0-16.

    ....... Folks asked me   "why don't you dump your season tickets?"  They don't understand.

    If you're rooting for your team to lose, just because you like a former player?  That's just wrong........  🙁   

    I look at it as I'm a Cleveland BROWNS  fan not a this guy  or. this coach. or this owner fan.

    That's like  " I'll  cancel my tickets, burn my jackets and jerseys and all my memorabilia......everything. that will show them, nah nah, nah."  

    Like my mother used to say......"don't cut off your nose to spite your face".   What will that get you  nothing.   That's just childish behavior and it gets you nowhere. 

    I've been a BROWNS,  INDIANS,  BUCKEYES,  NAVY, YSU  and. ND with a few others.   And of course my point of view.