Browns sign Rosen
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wasnt sure where to put this and didnt feel it needed its own thread but before DW we went after wilson and he flat out gave us the middle finger and said hell no to playing in Cleveland so heres to wilson falling on his face in denver Like i cared anyway
Well well, screw Wilson.
Truth is he's not the qb to carry a team anyway. He's honestly just average and wouldn't survive in the late season rain and winds.
He's all about Russell and screw the rest of the team.
Denver is probably last place in their own division this coming season and Russell will demand to be the top paid qb following this season.
Denver and Wilson are doomed.
Well well, screw Wilson...... He's honestly just average
Holy hell balls, what does that make Baker then?
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Well well, screw Wilson...... He's honestly just average
Holy hell balls, what does that make Baker then?
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Well Wilson hasn't done jack shit since the had a stalwart defense...
Aside from being named to the Pro-bowl 6 of the last 7 seasons, leading his team to the playoffs 5 of the last 7 seasons, none of them being a 1st round exit, having an above .500 team record 6 of the last 7 seasons all while working behind what is widely understood to be one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL and a deteriorating defense that has been below league average the last 4 seasons....
But yeah... the man hasn't accomplished "jack shit".
Look, nobody is forcing you to be THIS fucking dumb. You have to willfully try to achieve that goal.
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Well Wilson hasn't done jack shit since the had a stalwart defense...
Aside from being named to the Pro-bowl 6 of the last 7 seasons, leading his team to the playoffs 5 of the last 7 seasons, none of them being a 1st round exit, having an above .500 team record 6 of the last 7 seasons all while working behind what is widely understood to be one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL and a deteriorating defense that has been below league average the last 4 seasons....
But yeah... the man hasn't accomplished "jack shit".
Look, nobody is forcing you to be THIS fucking dumb. You have to willfully try to achieve that goal.
Aside from being named to the Pro-bowl 6 of the last 7 seasons, leading his team to the playoffs 5 of the last 7 seasons, none of them being a 1st round exit, having an above .500 team record 6 of the last 7 seasons all while working behind what is widely understood to be one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL and a deteriorating defense that has been below league average the last 4 seasons....
But yeah... the man hasn't accomplished "jack shit".
Look, nobody is forcing you to be THIS fucking dumb. You have to willfully try to achieve that goal.
Thank you Mr Pompous know it all for chiming in... I see NFL teams are just beating down your door for your football wisdom... When you achieve your life's dream and secure a position with an NFL team. Do let us know... Until then... You are just another blow hard...
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Aside from being named to the Pro-bowl 6 of the last 7 seasons, leading his team to the playoffs 5 of the last 7 seasons, none of them being a 1st round exit, having an above .500 team record 6 of the last 7 seasons all while working behind what is widely understood to be one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL and a deteriorating defense that has been below league average the last 4 seasons....
But yeah... the man hasn't accomplished "jack shit".
Look, nobody is forcing you to be THIS fucking dumb. You have to willfully try to achieve that goal.
Thank you Mr Pompous know it all for chiming in... I see NFL teams are just beating down your door for your football wisdom... When you achieve your life's dream and secure a position with an NFL team. Do let us know... Until then... You are just another blow hard...
Thank you Mr Pompous know it all for chiming in... I see NFL teams are just beating down your door for your football wisdom...
You conflate level-headed, direct and informed for "pompous".
You put the least, if any, amount of work into understanding the game of football and advancing your knowledge or command. Yet you're one of the most outspoken and vulgar clowns on this board... THAT would actually be pompous. Your arrogance is completely undeserved when you have no knowledge or ability to justify it.
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Thank you Mr Pompous know it all for chiming in... I see NFL teams are just beating down your door for your football wisdom...
You conflate level-headed, direct and informed for "pompous".
You put the least, if any, amount of work into understanding the game of football and advancing your knowledge or command. Yet you're one of the most outspoken and vulgar clowns on this board... THAT would actually be pompous. Your arrogance is completely undeserved when you have no knowledge or ability to justify it.
You conflate level-headed, direct and informed for "pompous".
You put the least, if any, amount of work into understanding the game of football and advancing your knowledge or command. Yet you're one of the most outspoken and vulgar clowns on this board... THAT would actually be pompous. Your arrogance is completely undeserved when you have no knowledge or ability to justify it.
Your arrogance amuses me... Carry on... I hate to disappoint you,,, But you're not that special..
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Well Wilson hasn't done jack shit since the had a stalwart defense...
Aside from being named to the Pro-bowl 6 of the last 7 seasons, leading his team to the playoffs 5 of the last 7 seasons, none of them being a 1st round exit, having an above .500 team record 6 of the last 7 seasons all while working behind what is widely understood to be one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL and a deteriorating defense that has been below league average the last 4 seasons....
But yeah... the man hasn't accomplished "jack shit".
Look, nobody is forcing you to be THIS fucking dumb. You have to willfully try to achieve that goal.
Look, nobody is forcing you to be THIS fucking dumb. You have to willfully try to achieve that goal.
Please move this to the poliboard where it belongs.?
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DW played on a shitty team in a shitty division, and if he takes the Browns to the SB…I’ll gladly eat a plate of crow.
However, if a DW led Browns team makes a quick exit in the playoffs the difference between him and Baker would be the same.
This team was 1-31 the 2 seasons before Baker. It was winless the 1st 2 games he didn't start as a rookie and sporting a 10 or 14 point deficit in his first appearance vrs the Jets in week 3. With the same teammates that were winless that year and losing that night - Baker led the team to victory. They finished 7-8-1, which means they were 7-7 with the rookie and 0-1-1 without him 1 year after the 0-16 football some people sound like they really missed all of a sudden.
People seem like they're in a huge hurry to get Baker on that t-shirt full of failed QBs here. The guy was our QB in just his 3rd year here where this team went 11-5 and won a playoff game. That said, he got injured the next year and people want to make that the tell-all about how Baker was the whole time here. Is he elite? No, but Watson is so he gets excused for having only 1 post season win with a bad organization? Like you alluded to Baker has 1 post season win but he can't walk on water yet so giddyup and get his ass outta here because Jed Clampett is hunting for oil again...
Like the comedian Stephen Wright that named his puppy Stay just to mess with him during training. Come here STAY! That's what we're doing with the QB position this year even if Watson is elite. He'll miss about half the season which means there will be the inevitable rust of 1.5 years of not playing any NFL games. That means the easiest part of the schedule will already have been played with a pretty unforgiving schedule in front of him.
The next year is when our cap will face the challenges of what vets to keep around Watson's 230 million cap hit. The challenges aren't just that but how will we problem solve any injuries to the vets that were prioritized to stay. Have any of the QBs drafted in the Haslam era survived their length of 1st contract?? I ask that to remind people he may never be a patient enough guy to complete the investment ANY QB needs. Changing FO staff, HCs and OCs the way he has done so frequently on young QBs means they train the QB fire the Coaches, deprogram previous training - give new training and rinse and repeat as often as they did it to Baker. And guess who doesn't understand why he needs another QB all over again?
This team was 1-31 the 2 seasons before Baker. It was winless the 1st 2 games he didn't start as a rookie and sporting a 10 or 14 point deficit in his first appearance vrs the Jets in week 3. With the same teammates that were winless that year and losing that night - Baker led the team to victory. They finished 7-8-1, which means they were 7-7 with the rookie and 0-1-1 without him 1 year after the 0-16 football some people sound like they really missed all of a sudden.
People seem like they're in a huge hurry to get Baker on that t-shirt full of failed QBs here. The guy was our QB in just his 3rd year here where this team went 11-5 and won a playoff game. That said, he got injured the next year and people want to make that the tell-all about how Baker was the whole time here. Is he elite? No, but Watson is so he gets excused for having only 1 post season win with a bad organization? Like you alluded to Baker has 1 post season win but he can't walk on water yet so giddyup and get his ass outta here because Jed Clampett is hunting for oil again...
Like the comedian Stephen Wright that named his puppy Stay just to mess with him during training. Come here STAY! That's what we're doing with the QB position this year even if Watson is elite. He'll miss about half the season which means there will be the inevitable rust of 1.5 years of not playing any NFL games. That means the easiest part of the schedule will already have been played with a pretty unforgiving schedule in front of him.
The next year is when our cap will face the challenges of what vets to keep around Watson's 230 million cap hit. The challenges aren't just that but how will we problem solve any injuries to the vets that were prioritized to stay. Have any of the QBs drafted in the Haslam era survived their length of 1st contract?? I ask that to remind people he may never be a patient enough guy to complete the investment ANY QB needs. Changing FO staff, HCs and OCs the way he has done so frequently on young QBs means they train the QB fire the Coaches, deprogram previous training - give new training and rinse and repeat as often as they did it to Baker. And guess who doesn't understand why he needs another QB all over again?
He had the heart, passion, and work ethic to win us a superbowl. I'd take a Trent Dilfer everyone loves over a premadonna who's in it for himself.
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This team was 1-31 the 2 seasons before Baker. It was winless the 1st 2 games he didn't start as a rookie and sporting a 10 or 14 point deficit in his first appearance vrs the Jets in week 3. With the same teammates that were winless that year and losing that night - Baker led the team to victory. They finished 7-8-1, which means they were 7-7 with the rookie and 0-1-1 without him 1 year after the 0-16 football some people sound like they really missed all of a sudden.
People seem like they're in a huge hurry to get Baker on that t-shirt full of failed QBs here. The guy was our QB in just his 3rd year here where this team went 11-5 and won a playoff game. That said, he got injured the next year and people want to make that the tell-all about how Baker was the whole time here. Is he elite? No, but Watson is so he gets excused for having only 1 post season win with a bad organization? Like you alluded to Baker has 1 post season win but he can't walk on water yet so giddyup and get his ass outta here because Jed Clampett is hunting for oil again...
Like the comedian Stephen Wright that named his puppy Stay just to mess with him during training. Come here STAY! That's what we're doing with the QB position this year even if Watson is elite. He'll miss about half the season which means there will be the inevitable rust of 1.5 years of not playing any NFL games. That means the easiest part of the schedule will already have been played with a pretty unforgiving schedule in front of him.
The next year is when our cap will face the challenges of what vets to keep around Watson's 230 million cap hit. The challenges aren't just that but how will we problem solve any injuries to the vets that were prioritized to stay. Have any of the QBs drafted in the Haslam era survived their length of 1st contract?? I ask that to remind people he may never be a patient enough guy to complete the investment ANY QB needs. Changing FO staff, HCs and OCs the way he has done so frequently on young QBs means they train the QB fire the Coaches, deprogram previous training - give new training and rinse and repeat as often as they did it to Baker. And guess who doesn't understand why he needs another QB all over again?
He had the heart, passion, and work ethic to win us a superbowl. I'd take a Trent Dilfer everyone loves over a premadonna who's in it for himself.
He had the heart, passion, and work ethic to win us a superbowl. I'd take a Trent Dilfer everyone loves over a premadonna who's in it for himself.
He really did. He showed it his whole underdog career. It would have been awesome to see him comeback from that injury and inspire the team and fans alike.
too bad.
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ya ya i know only day 4 of training camp but still rosen is listed as 4th in the depth chart and i forogt who here said not being here for ota's and not having the play book was not a big deal
a ya i know only day 4 of training camp but still rosen is listed as 4th in the depth chart
I don't see a depth chart on the Browns site.
I think we're going to have to consider giving considerable time to the first team in pre season so that the starting QB's can get some sync with their new team.
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Anybody ever see the movie MoneyBall? Good film. If you haven't seen it, I would give it a recommend if you're having a relaxing weekend like I intend.
Anyway, in said movie there's a line - about trying to replace players. The A's shouldn't be trying to buy and replace players so much as they should be trying to buy and replace runs, more specifically - getting on base.
The Browns shouldn't be, and they aren't, trying to replace Baker as a person or player. But they are going to try to replicate certain production. More to the point, competent QB production while Deshaun is (likely) suspended.
2020 is regarded as the high water mark for Baker, at least as some perceive "good" QBing. In 2020 he averaged 222 YPG, 6.64 NY/A, 1.625 TD PG and .5 Int PG.
At 199YPG, 5.87 NY/A, 1.2 TD PG, .4 INT PG with an (2019 Colts) Oline (per PFF, not that I'm huge on them at times) ranked at #3 .... the Browns are firmly in Jacoby Brissett (2019) territory when it comes down to replicating the mean of the last 4 years of QB stats.
Like I said after I broke down several of his plays, I fully expect Jacoby's stats to be in line with Bakers by the time he surrenders the job to Deshaun. And there's a good deal of statistical history on that side of the argument to have that expectation.
Getting the defense ready and praying for health is another matter entirely.
The Browns shouldn't be, and they aren't, trying to replace Baker as a person or player. But they are going to try to replicate certain production. More to the point, competent QB production while Deshaun is (likely) suspended.
At 199YPG, 5.87 NY/A, 1.2 TD PG, .4 INT PG with an (2019 Colts) Oline (per PFF, not that I'm huge on them at times) ranked at #3 .... the Browns are firmly in Jacoby Brissett (2019) territory when it comes down to replicating the mean of the last 4 years of QB stats.
Like I said after I broke down several of his plays, I fully expect Jacoby's stats to be in line with Bakers by the time he surrenders the job to Deshaun. And there's a good deal of statistical history on that side of the argument to have that expectation.
I swear you put some tape work into Jacoby somewhere in a topic & hells/bells if I can find it...
Camp days, I'm not seeing many honest reads on what Jacoby is getting in reps.. The reps I have seen.. are mostly RPO's with mixed Play Action (hey/He can move LEFT & right)..Most are underneath routes that D-cords will surely game-plan against..
Have ya seen any of Jacoby's deep ball looks over 25 yards ? His Saturday (duck) he chucked up looked touble-some..
I've met Jacoby at NC State twice at basketball games...Great Guy! one hand shake & that man has huge hands.. He's always been great with his ball security..Baker..not !
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
The Browns shouldn't be, and they aren't, trying to replace Baker as a person or player. But they are going to try to replicate certain production. More to the point, competent QB production while Deshaun is (likely) suspended.
At 199YPG, 5.87 NY/A, 1.2 TD PG, .4 INT PG with an (2019 Colts) Oline (per PFF, not that I'm huge on them at times) ranked at #3 .... the Browns are firmly in Jacoby Brissett (2019) territory when it comes down to replicating the mean of the last 4 years of QB stats.
Like I said after I broke down several of his plays, I fully expect Jacoby's stats to be in line with Bakers by the time he surrenders the job to Deshaun. And there's a good deal of statistical history on that side of the argument to have that expectation.
I swear you put some tape work into Jacoby somewhere in a topic & hells/bells if I can find it...
Camp days, I'm not seeing many honest reads on what Jacoby is getting in reps.. The reps I have seen.. are mostly RPO's with mixed Play Action (hey/He can move LEFT & right)..Most are underneath routes that D-cords will surely game-plan against..
Have ya seen any of Jacoby's deep ball looks over 25 yards ? His Saturday (duck) he chucked up looked touble-some..
I've met Jacoby at NC State twice at basketball games...Great Guy! one hand shake & that man has huge hands.. He's always been great with his ball security..Baker..not !
I've met Jacoby at NC State twice at basketball games...Great Guy! one hand shake & that man has huge hands.. He's always been great with his ball security..Baker..not !
A lesser point, but not insignificant, we can now run QB sneaks. Baker could generate no push and was apt to fumble the ball.
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The Browns shouldn't be, and they aren't, trying to replace Baker as a person or player. But they are going to try to replicate certain production. More to the point, competent QB production while Deshaun is (likely) suspended.
At 199YPG, 5.87 NY/A, 1.2 TD PG, .4 INT PG with an (2019 Colts) Oline (per PFF, not that I'm huge on them at times) ranked at #3 .... the Browns are firmly in Jacoby Brissett (2019) territory when it comes down to replicating the mean of the last 4 years of QB stats.
Like I said after I broke down several of his plays, I fully expect Jacoby's stats to be in line with Bakers by the time he surrenders the job to Deshaun. And there's a good deal of statistical history on that side of the argument to have that expectation.
I swear you put some tape work into Jacoby somewhere in a topic & hells/bells if I can find it...
Camp days, I'm not seeing many honest reads on what Jacoby is getting in reps.. The reps I have seen.. are mostly RPO's with mixed Play Action (hey/He can move LEFT & right)..Most are underneath routes that D-cords will surely game-plan against..
Have ya seen any of Jacoby's deep ball looks over 25 yards ? His Saturday (duck) he chucked up looked touble-some..
I've met Jacoby at NC State twice at basketball games...Great Guy! one hand shake & that man has huge hands.. He's always been great with his ball security..Baker..not !
I swear you put some tape work into Jacoby somewhere in a topic & hells/bells if I can find it...
Camp days, I'm not seeing many honest reads on what Jacoby is getting in reps.. The reps I have seen.. are mostly RPO's with mixed Play Action (hey/He can move LEFT & right)..Most are underneath routes that D-cords will surely game-plan against..
Have ya seen any of Jacoby's deep ball looks over 25 yards ? His Saturday (duck) he chucked up looked touble-some..
I've met Jacoby at NC State twice at basketball games...Great Guy! one hand shake & that man has huge hands.. He's always been great with his ball security..Baker..not !
Baker and JB have some similar weaknesses. Their deep ball (when not wide open) is one of those shared weaknesses.
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This team was 1-31 the 2 seasons before Baker. It was winless the 1st 2 games he didn't start as a rookie and sporting a 10 or 14 point deficit in his first appearance vrs the Jets in week 3. With the same teammates that were winless that year and losing that night - Baker led the team to victory. They finished 7-8-1, which means they were 7-7 with the rookie and 0-1-1 without him 1 year after the 0-16 football some people sound like they really missed all of a sudden.
People seem like they're in a huge hurry to get Baker on that t-shirt full of failed QBs here. The guy was our QB in just his 3rd year here where this team went 11-5 and won a playoff game. That said, he got injured the next year and people want to make that the tell-all about how Baker was the whole time here. Is he elite? No, but Watson is so he gets excused for having only 1 post season win with a bad organization? Like you alluded to Baker has 1 post season win but he can't walk on water yet so giddyup and get his ass outta here because Jed Clampett is hunting for oil again...
Like the comedian Stephen Wright that named his puppy Stay just to mess with him during training. Come here STAY! That's what we're doing with the QB position this year even if Watson is elite. He'll miss about half the season which means there will be the inevitable rust of 1.5 years of not playing any NFL games. That means the easiest part of the schedule will already have been played with a pretty unforgiving schedule in front of him.
The next year is when our cap will face the challenges of what vets to keep around Watson's 230 million cap hit. The challenges aren't just that but how will we problem solve any injuries to the vets that were prioritized to stay. Have any of the QBs drafted in the Haslam era survived their length of 1st contract?? I ask that to remind people he may never be a patient enough guy to complete the investment ANY QB needs. Changing FO staff, HCs and OCs the way he has done so frequently on young QBs means they train the QB fire the Coaches, deprogram previous training - give new training and rinse and repeat as often as they did it to Baker. And guess who doesn't understand why he needs another QB all over again?
He had the heart, passion, and work ethic to win us a superbowl. I'd take a Trent Dilfer everyone loves over a premadonna who's in it for himself.
He had the heart, passion, and
Yeah and he still does. I wish him well. Good to see you back in the mix!
Browns start their pre-season games real soon so we'll have plenty to talk about.
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Rose bud obviously is a dumpster ? good thing that ass hat shut down the other board.
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