Preseason Game 3: Bears at Browns August 27
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I wonder what the Jets would take to get Mims off their hands...
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Everybody talks about Shwartz's world class speed, has it ever helped the Browns? Every time I see him do a jet sweep or reverse he doesn't go far. Has he returned kickoffs or punts for touchdowns? I think it's time to move on. No need to keep a fast guy if he can't put that speed to use. Maybe convert to DB??
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Everybody talks about Shwartz's world class speed, has it ever helped the Browns? Every time I see him do a jet sweep or reverse he doesn't go far. Has he returned kickoffs or punts for touchdowns? I think it's time to move on. No need to keep a fast guy if he can't put that speed to use. Maybe convert to DB??
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Chiefs Browns Week 1 he got behind the defense…we’ve had a handful of end arounds to him the past Year plus- were Any of those meaningful plays - 10 plus yards? I don’t think so.
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Unfortunately, I think Berry is the problem here. He's probably challenging the coaching staff with it's up to you guys to develop the player. The PROBLEM is some guys just aren't football players regardless of how fast they are. One thing I'd like to see for a refreshing change in Cleveland is to see a GM finally admit a choice like this was a bad idea.
Sticking with a bad idea for way too long at WR (Michael Jackson) is how a guy like Keenan McCardell doesn't emerge as a highly efficient WR until he lands on his next team (Jax Jaguars) 1 year later. Michael Jackson ran 4.3s but dropped way too many passes when he wide open. Then he'd explicably make a tough catch in traffic once in a while.
I'd rather have the Browns continue their efforts with developing DPJ than waste too much more time on Schwartz.
The problem is, I'd do backflips if Schwartz could develop in the Michael (Dyson for one game) Jackson category. That's how far he is at this point to that.
I'm probably being naive, but I still would be somewhat surprised if he doesn't get cut, but you are probably correct - they aren't cutting the string with a second year 3rd round pick of theirs. (Now, if someone else had drafted him, absolutely)
The problem is, I'd do backflips if Schwartz could develop in the Michael (Dyson for one game) Jackson category. That's how far he is at this point to that.
I'm probably being naive, but I still would be somewhat surprised if he doesn't get cut, but you are probably correct - they aren't cutting the string with a second year 3rd round pick of theirs. (Now, if someone else had drafted him, absolutely)
Well said Dutch!
As a fan, I'm looking at it like if Schwartz couldn't make any other rosters in the AFC North - he shouldn't be making this roster if it has playoff aspirations. The only type of roster that should be interested in Schwartz at this point would be one unofficially planning to earn the 1st overall pick in Seattle.
Hearing Stefanski come to Schwartz's rescue, makes me think Berry has already been in his ear with "this is why you're our guy Kevin" type of UH-OH! Hope I'm wrong.
The sad thing in all is I don't think it's a lack of effort from Schwartz and he's probably a really likable kid. This poor guy just looks like he plays with his eyes closed; and he has zero feel for the game. If the Browns are going to return to drafting these kinds of guys - we're all wasting serious time here. Maybe we should be watching lost episodes of the Mandrell Sisters with Ghoolie.
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The problem is, I'd do backflips if Schwartz could develop in the Michael (Dyson for one game) Jackson category. That's how far he is at this point to that.
I'm probably being naive, but I still would be somewhat surprised if he doesn't get cut, but you are probably correct - they aren't cutting the string with a second year 3rd round pick of theirs. (Now, if someone else had drafted him, absolutely)
Well said Dutch!
As a fan, I'm looking at it like if Schwartz couldn't make any other rosters in the AFC North - he shouldn't be making this roster if it has playoff aspirations. The only type of roster that should be interested in Schwartz at this point would be one unofficially planning to earn the 1st overall pick in Seattle.
Hearing Stefanski come to Schwartz's rescue, makes me think Berry has already been in his ear with "this is why you're our guy Kevin" type of UH-OH! Hope I'm wrong.
The sad thing in all is I don't think it's a lack of effort from Schwartz and he's probably a really likable kid. This poor guy just looks like he plays with his eyes closed; and he has zero feel for the game. If the Browns are going to return to drafting these kinds of guys - we're all wasting serious time here. Maybe we should be watching lost episodes of the Mandrell Sisters with Ghoolie.
The sad thing in all is I don't think it's a lack of effort
He can't catch, his speed doesn't translate into good things for the Browns, and he is pretty much the sole reason Baker is playing for Carolina. I don't think there has ever been more of a reason to cut a player.
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I wonder what the Jets would take to get Mims off their hands...
You got 4 guys on our roster not counting Cooper and DPJ that have shown more than Schwartz
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You got 4 guys on our roster not counting Cooper and DPJ that have shown more than Schwartz
My comment had little to do with a direct Schwartz comparison = value and more of just pointing out the overall talent and ability of the WR room in general at this moment.
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A good GM admits their mistakes. Bad GM’s keep their own drafted players like Schwartz because? 1) NFL experience 2) Lack of his/this teams WR depthThis was wrote this past June..Maybe a few 9 to watch moving forward?2020 – DT Jordan Elliott, LB Jacob Phillips,OL Nick Harris2021 – WR Anthony Schwartz https://stathead.com/tiny/X5W8e2021 – OL James Hudson, DT Tommy Togiai2021 – LB Tony Fields II, S Richard LeCounte III2021 – RB/WR Demetric FeltonAB has made 23 draft choices since his hire date
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All 22 is up. Observations.
- Pocic struggled, pretty bad at times. There are clear instances where his height works against him as a center, especially trying to anchor in pass pro. Our running game just isn't the same having a body like him as the middle piece. It's not like his decision making is bad, it's his execution that gets him in trouble.
- Forbes was tossed around and beaten a few times. Gave up a couple pressures that were at crucial moments... 3rd down and 4th down. Can't have that.
- Jed is still struggling at times when he oversets to the edge. He has been beaten to his inside shoulder a number of times this pre-season. He gave up 2 pressures the 1st half, the 1st prevented Jacoby from taking a well designed shot down the middle to Miller Forristal (spell check) against a unique little cover 2 call from the Bears. His waist bend has become significantly noticeable, as a result his weight distribution just looks wonky as all hell to my eyes.
- The Bears defense continues to astound me. Even with the coaching switch, I see the continuity of their calls. The DB's communication, understanding how to leverage routes and their physical style of play, you can't help but be impressed even with the 2's and the men getting them in the places and mindset to succeed. There was a nice wrinkle Stef called against CHI who walked out their familiar under front. The wrinkle was the pin and pull. Which the Chicago DB's took on the leads, held their ground and created such a traffic jam that DJ couldn't pick up the yards you would expect that design to net.
- Felton is being moved around a good bit, being given room to operate as a de-facto underneath receiver for this offense. If there are two players Jacoby needs to get on the same page with as early as humanly possible, it's Felton and Njoku.
- That deep post/corner to Schwartz was a near impossible catch if your name isn't Larry Fitzgerald. Even then, it's ignoring the fact that Jacoby had two other clear options in the short and intermediate field on 3rd and 2 for a high percentage throw, catch and conversion. Which brings me to my next point...
- Jacoby had a so-so outing. There are some positives, but it's clear there are limits to his game AND the time that both he, and the rest of this offense, are going to need in order to at least field a consistently effective squad.
I suppose my greatest concerns from the offensive side of the ball mirror my concerns from the defensive side of the ball.... simply lacking the NFL starting caliber personnel right down the middle of your trenches. The Browns have an issue at center, possibly LT. And they also have an issue at IDL. The problem with that sort of thing is how fundamental it is to gameplan against those types of weaknesses and to also be prepared for how the Browns might attempt to mask them as well.
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All 22 is up. Observations.
- Pocic struggled, pretty bad at times. There are clear instances where his height works against him as a center, especially trying to anchor in pass pro. Our running game just isn't the same having a body like him as the middle piece. It's not like his decision making is bad, it's his execution that gets him in trouble.
- Forbes was tossed around and beaten a few times. Gave up a couple pressures that were at crucial moments... 3rd down and 4th down. Can't have that.
- Jed is still struggling at times when he oversets to the edge. He has been beaten to his inside shoulder a number of times this pre-season. He gave up 2 pressures the 1st half, the 1st prevented Jacoby from taking a well designed shot down the middle to Miller Forristal (spell check) against a unique little cover 2 call from the Bears. His waist bend has become significantly noticeable, as a result his weight distribution just looks wonky as all hell to my eyes.
- The Bears defense continues to astound me. Even with the coaching switch, I see the continuity of their calls. The DB's communication, understanding how to leverage routes and their physical style of play, you can't help but be impressed even with the 2's and the men getting them in the places and mindset to succeed. There was a nice wrinkle Stef called against CHI who walked out their familiar under front. The wrinkle was the pin and pull. Which the Chicago DB's took on the leads, held their ground and created such a traffic jam that DJ couldn't pick up the yards you would expect that design to net.
- Felton is being moved around a good bit, being given room to operate as a de-facto underneath receiver for this offense. If there are two players Jacoby needs to get on the same page with as early as humanly possible, it's Felton and Njoku.
- That deep post/corner to Schwartz was a near impossible catch if your name isn't Larry Fitzgerald. Even then, it's ignoring the fact that Jacoby had two other clear options in the short and intermediate field on 3rd and 2 for a high percentage throw, catch and conversion. Which brings me to my next point...
- Jacoby had a so-so outing. There are some positives, but it's clear there are limits to his game AND the time that both he, and the rest of this offense, are going to need in order to at least field a consistently effective squad.
I suppose my greatest concerns from the offensive side of the ball mirror my concerns from the defensive side of the ball.... simply lacking the NFL starting caliber personnel right down the middle of your trenches. The Browns have an issue at center, possibly LT. And they also have an issue at IDL. The problem with that sort of thing is how fundamental it is to gameplan against those types of weaknesses and to also be prepared for how the Browns might attempt to mask them as well.
I suppose my greatest concerns from the offensive side of the ball mirror my concerns from the defensive side of the ball.... simply lacking the NFL starting caliber personnel right down the middle of your trenches. The Browns have an issue at center, possibly LT. And they also have an issue at IDL. The problem with that sort of thing is how fundamental it is to gameplan against those types of weaknesses and to also be prepared for how the Browns might attempt to mask them as well.
I keep thinking back to the 2014 season, and how the team seemed to fall apart when Mack went down.
The idea that Pocic is trying to learn how to play in the zone blocking scheme on the fly scares the bejesus out of me.
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I suppose my greatest concerns from the offensive side of the ball mirror my concerns from the defensive side of the ball.... simply lacking the NFL starting caliber personnel right down the middle of your trenches. The Browns have an issue at center, possibly LT. And they also have an issue at IDL. The problem with that sort of thing is how fundamental it is to gameplan against those types of weaknesses and to also be prepared for how the Browns might attempt to mask them as well.
I keep thinking back to the 2014 season, and how the team seemed to fall apart when Mack went down.
The idea that Pocic is trying to learn how to play in the zone blocking scheme on the fly scares the bejesus out of me.
The idea that Pocic is trying to learn how to play in the zone blocking scheme on the fly scares the bejesus out of me.
I really don't think that's quite it. Coming over from Seattle, it's not like the man is unfamiliar with the principles of modern zone blocking schemes.
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The idea that Pocic is trying to learn how to play in the zone blocking scheme on the fly scares the bejesus out of me.
I really don't think that's quite it. Coming over from Seattle, it's not like the man is unfamiliar with the principles of modern zone blocking schemes.
I really don't think that's quite it. Coming over from Seattle, it's not like the man is unfamiliar with the principles of modern zone blocking schemes.
From what I've heard, the system he came from is different from what the Browns run.
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From what I've heard, the system he came from is different from what the Browns run.
Seattle runs/ran a great deal of inside zone and (what I call) false read outside. They would also set Russel up off his boots from both the IZ/OZ zone. I do know they either did, or continue to do, a great mixing of that gap and down power/angle as well. Something I remember being a focus of theirs after Rashaad Penny was drafted.
The language might be different, so are the coaches, but the concepts behind an outsize zone and a vertical zone scheme are pretty universal. Even if the language is different, you can still understand the core idea(s).
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From what I've heard, the system he came from is different from what the Browns run.
Seattle runs/ran a great deal of inside zone and (what I call) false read outside. They would also set Russel up off his boots from both the IZ/OZ zone. I do know they either did, or continue to do, a great mixing of that gap and down power/angle as well. Something I remember being a focus of theirs after Rashaad Penny was drafted.
The language might be different, so are the coaches, but the concepts behind an outsize zone and a vertical zone scheme are pretty universal. Even if the language is different, you can still understand the core idea(s).
Seattle runs/ran a great deal of inside zone and (what I call) false read outsize. They would also set Russel up off his boots from both the IZ/OZ zone. I do know they either did, or continue to do, a great mixing of that gap and down power/angle as well. Something I remember being a focus of theirs after Rashaad Penny was drafted.
The language might be different, so are the coaches, but the concepts behind an outsize zone and a vertical zone scheme are pretty universal. Even if the language is different, you can still understand the core idea(s).
I can't recall who mentioned the learning curve he has now with the Browns, but looking info up on him he seems to have played in a zone blocking system at LSU too, but he ranked very poorly in it as a full-time starter in 2020. I wish I could remember who said that about his struggles with learning the Browns system... (Daryl Ruiter maybe?)
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Seattle runs/ran a great deal of inside zone and (what I call) false read outsize. They would also set Russel up off his boots from both the IZ/OZ zone. I do know they either did, or continue to do, a great mixing of that gap and down power/angle as well. Something I remember being a focus of theirs after Rashaad Penny was drafted.
The language might be different, so are the coaches, but the concepts behind an outsize zone and a vertical zone scheme are pretty universal. Even if the language is different, you can still understand the core idea(s).
I can't recall who mentioned the learning curve he has now with the Browns, but looking info up on him he seems to have played in a zone blocking system at LSU too, but he ranked very poorly in it as a full-time starter in 2020. I wish I could remember who said that about his struggles with learning the Browns system... (Daryl Ruiter maybe?)
(Daryl Ruiter maybe?)
Had no idea who that was until I googled him. Looks like he's a big time contributor on 92.3... which means his take is a shot in the dark at nothing, and I'm being kind in my phrasing. Because when you say "x insert, has a learning curve" you need to be far more specific. Otherwise you're just spitting words out in an attempt to sound intelligent. Which is 95%+ of sports radio anyway. Now if the learning curve is how our coaches call protections against fronts and pressure, I can understand that. However that still doesn't account for Pocic's individual defeats when he is assignment sound. If he isn't clued to how we like to run our pin and pull outside calls, I can also work with those sorts of specifics. But it still doesn't eliminate the primary problem, which circles back around to my previous sentence - execution.
Tell Daryl to get at me and we can talk ?
The struggles Pocic having seem to be more with his engagement, execution and ability vs him actually understanding his assignment.
edit: And that's not me calling you out or anything Dutch. Just my feelings on how most sports writers and radio broadcasters cover their teams. I'm a man possessed of complex detail in a world that loves being overly general and vague.
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So, what I'm hearing here is that we need a center, our LT is average, and we're stuck with Schwartz.
So, what I'm hearing here is that we need a center, our LT is average, and we're stuck with Schwartz.
Slightly above average at the moment. "Serviceable" is the word I would use. In the long term view of things, that's pretty acceptable when Watson is QB'ing. At that point my focus would be on the IOL integrity.
edit: I wonder how Pocic would fare at guard? Just thinking out loud.
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So, what I'm hearing here is that we need a center, our LT is average, and we're stuck with Schwartz.
Slightly above average at the moment. "Serviceable" is the word I would use. In the long term view of things, that's pretty acceptable when Watson is QB'ing. At that point my focus would be on the IOL integrity.
edit: I wonder how Pocic would fare at guard? Just thinking out loud.
Slightly above average at the moment. "Serviceable" is the word I would use. In the long term view of things, that's pretty acceptable when Watson is QB'ing. At that point my focus would be on the IOL integrity.
edit: I wonder how Pocic would fare at guard? Just thinking out loud.
Pocic at Guard - means Bitonio at Right tackle. He played there I want to say 3/4 years ago briefly. All of this means Conklin isn’t ready. So the bigger question if I didn’t create more questions with the above- who is on First? I mean who plays Center?
ride or die now at this point I guess with Pocic at Center.
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So, what I'm hearing here is that we need a center, our LT is average, and we're stuck with Schwartz.
Slightly above average at the moment. "Serviceable" is the word I would use. In the long term view of things, that's pretty acceptable when Watson is QB'ing. At that point my focus would be on the IOL integrity.
edit: I wonder how Pocic would fare at guard? Just thinking out loud.
Slightly above average at the moment. "Serviceable" is the word I would use. In the long term view of things, that's pretty acceptable when Watson is QB'ing. At that point my focus would be on the IOL integrity.
edit: I wonder how Pocic would fare at guard? Just thinking out loud.
He didn't seem to do well at OG in Seattle, which is how he ended back at center.
I don't even want to think what happens if Pocic gets hurt.
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I know we have needs but I’m not ready to trade Kareem for a #3 WR or Starting caliber DT (We’ve done plenty to make this a good defense- make it work Joe).
We haven’t seen 30-40 times of Chubb and Hunt in the run and pass game with Jacoby yet. And each can mask a few weaknesses we may have with Jacoby, our Center or are lack of multiple downfield threats.
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