Preseason Game 3: Bears at Browns August 27
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From what I've heard, the system he came from is different from what the Browns run.
Seattle runs/ran a great deal of inside zone and (what I call) false read outside. They would also set Russel up off his boots from both the IZ/OZ zone. I do know they either did, or continue to do, a great mixing of that gap and down power/angle as well. Something I remember being a focus of theirs after Rashaad Penny was drafted.
The language might be different, so are the coaches, but the concepts behind an outsize zone and a vertical zone scheme are pretty universal. Even if the language is different, you can still understand the core idea(s).
Seattle runs/ran a great deal of inside zone and (what I call) false read outsize. They would also set Russel up off his boots from both the IZ/OZ zone. I do know they either did, or continue to do, a great mixing of that gap and down power/angle as well. Something I remember being a focus of theirs after Rashaad Penny was drafted.
The language might be different, so are the coaches, but the concepts behind an outsize zone and a vertical zone scheme are pretty universal. Even if the language is different, you can still understand the core idea(s).
I can't recall who mentioned the learning curve he has now with the Browns, but looking info up on him he seems to have played in a zone blocking system at LSU too, but he ranked very poorly in it as a full-time starter in 2020. I wish I could remember who said that about his struggles with learning the Browns system... (Daryl Ruiter maybe?)
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Seattle runs/ran a great deal of inside zone and (what I call) false read outsize. They would also set Russel up off his boots from both the IZ/OZ zone. I do know they either did, or continue to do, a great mixing of that gap and down power/angle as well. Something I remember being a focus of theirs after Rashaad Penny was drafted.
The language might be different, so are the coaches, but the concepts behind an outsize zone and a vertical zone scheme are pretty universal. Even if the language is different, you can still understand the core idea(s).
I can't recall who mentioned the learning curve he has now with the Browns, but looking info up on him he seems to have played in a zone blocking system at LSU too, but he ranked very poorly in it as a full-time starter in 2020. I wish I could remember who said that about his struggles with learning the Browns system... (Daryl Ruiter maybe?)
(Daryl Ruiter maybe?)
Had no idea who that was until I googled him. Looks like he's a big time contributor on 92.3... which means his take is a shot in the dark at nothing, and I'm being kind in my phrasing. Because when you say "x insert, has a learning curve" you need to be far more specific. Otherwise you're just spitting words out in an attempt to sound intelligent. Which is 95%+ of sports radio anyway. Now if the learning curve is how our coaches call protections against fronts and pressure, I can understand that. However that still doesn't account for Pocic's individual defeats when he is assignment sound. If he isn't clued to how we like to run our pin and pull outside calls, I can also work with those sorts of specifics. But it still doesn't eliminate the primary problem, which circles back around to my previous sentence - execution.
Tell Daryl to get at me and we can talk ?
The struggles Pocic having seem to be more with his engagement, execution and ability vs him actually understanding his assignment.
edit: And that's not me calling you out or anything Dutch. Just my feelings on how most sports writers and radio broadcasters cover their teams. I'm a man possessed of complex detail in a world that loves being overly general and vague.
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So, what I'm hearing here is that we need a center, our LT is average, and we're stuck with Schwartz.
So, what I'm hearing here is that we need a center, our LT is average, and we're stuck with Schwartz.
Slightly above average at the moment. "Serviceable" is the word I would use. In the long term view of things, that's pretty acceptable when Watson is QB'ing. At that point my focus would be on the IOL integrity.
edit: I wonder how Pocic would fare at guard? Just thinking out loud.
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So, what I'm hearing here is that we need a center, our LT is average, and we're stuck with Schwartz.
Slightly above average at the moment. "Serviceable" is the word I would use. In the long term view of things, that's pretty acceptable when Watson is QB'ing. At that point my focus would be on the IOL integrity.
edit: I wonder how Pocic would fare at guard? Just thinking out loud.
Slightly above average at the moment. "Serviceable" is the word I would use. In the long term view of things, that's pretty acceptable when Watson is QB'ing. At that point my focus would be on the IOL integrity.
edit: I wonder how Pocic would fare at guard? Just thinking out loud.
Pocic at Guard - means Bitonio at Right tackle. He played there I want to say 3/4 years ago briefly. All of this means Conklin isn’t ready. So the bigger question if I didn’t create more questions with the above- who is on First? I mean who plays Center?
ride or die now at this point I guess with Pocic at Center.
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So, what I'm hearing here is that we need a center, our LT is average, and we're stuck with Schwartz.
Slightly above average at the moment. "Serviceable" is the word I would use. In the long term view of things, that's pretty acceptable when Watson is QB'ing. At that point my focus would be on the IOL integrity.
edit: I wonder how Pocic would fare at guard? Just thinking out loud.
Slightly above average at the moment. "Serviceable" is the word I would use. In the long term view of things, that's pretty acceptable when Watson is QB'ing. At that point my focus would be on the IOL integrity.
edit: I wonder how Pocic would fare at guard? Just thinking out loud.
He didn't seem to do well at OG in Seattle, which is how he ended back at center.
I don't even want to think what happens if Pocic gets hurt.
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I know we have needs but I’m not ready to trade Kareem for a #3 WR or Starting caliber DT (We’ve done plenty to make this a good defense- make it work Joe).
We haven’t seen 30-40 times of Chubb and Hunt in the run and pass game with Jacoby yet. And each can mask a few weaknesses we may have with Jacoby, our Center or are lack of multiple downfield threats.
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I know we have needs but I’m not ready to trade Kareem for a #3 WR or Starting caliber DT (We’ve done plenty to make this a good defense- make it work Joe).
We haven’t seen 30-40 times of Chubb and Hunt in the run and pass game with Jacoby yet. And each can mask a few weaknesses we may have with Jacoby, our Center or are lack of multiple downfield threats.
I know we have needs but I’m not ready to trade Kareem for a #3 WR or Starting caliber DT (We’ve done plenty to make this a good defense- make it work Joe).
We haven’t seen 30-40 times of Chubb and Hunt in the run and pass game with Jacoby yet. And each can mask a few weaknesses we may have with Jacoby, our Center or are lack of multiple downfield threats.
Joe Woods runs way too passive of a scheme for the talent assembled... This team is built to be aggressive.. Joe Woods is namby pamby pussy defense... It's way too soft for my liking... He has NO NORE EXCUSES!!
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Slightly above average at the moment. "Serviceable" is the word I would use. In the long term view of things, that's pretty acceptable when Watson is QB'ing. At that point my focus would be on the IOL integrity.
edit: I wonder how Pocic would fare at guard? Just thinking out loud.
Pocic at Guard - means Bitonio at Right tackle. He played there I want to say 3/4 years ago briefly. All of this means Conklin isn’t ready. So the bigger question if I didn’t create more questions with the above- who is on First? I mean who plays Center?
ride or die now at this point I guess with Pocic at Center.
Pocic at Guard - means Bitonio at Right tackle. He played there I want to say 3/4 years ago briefly. All of this means Conklin isn’t ready. So the bigger question if I didn’t create more questions with the above- who is on First? I mean who plays Center?
ride or die now at this point I guess with Pocic at Center.
It was just more of a random thought, not my belief that the Oline needs reshuffled. Ride or die with Pocic at center indeed.
He didn't seem to do well at OG in Seattle, which is how he ended back at center.
I don't even want to think what happens if Pocic gets hurt.
I honestly hadn't checked if he saw snaps at guard in Seattle. But you're saying he has and it was not good? Well... so much for that idea.
I know we have needs but I’m not ready to trade Kareem for a #3 WR or Starting caliber DT (We’ve done plenty to make this a good defense- make it work Joe).
We haven’t seen 30-40 times of Chubb and Hunt in the run and pass game with Jacoby yet. And each can mask a few weaknesses we may have with Jacoby, our Center or are lack of multiple downfield threats.
We have the deepest RB room in the NFL. Not 1, 2, 3, 4... but 5 deep. The 5th including John Kelley, who could run for 1000 yards behind a healthy Oline similar to the Browns. It's such a luxury that there is no point to keep a position group, especially one with such a specific value and shelf life, at such a surplus. Trading Kareem for any starting caliber IDL would be the wise thing to do.
Because when you get down to it, you want a great defense. And this team has thrown 1 year stop gap contracts at IDL the previous two seasons. Unfortunately the teams who are most going to exploit this front office for being so dismissive and cheap are our 2 main division rivals. Want to consistently challenge for the AFCN crown? Can't be weak up the middle... and this team has been that for some time.
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I know we have needs but I’m not ready to trade Kareem for a #3 WR or Starting caliber DT (We’ve done plenty to make this a good defense- make it work Joe).
We haven’t seen 30-40 times of Chubb and Hunt in the run and pass game with Jacoby yet. And each can mask a few weaknesses we may have with Jacoby, our Center or are lack of multiple downfield threats.
I know we have needs but I’m not ready to trade Kareem for a #3 WR or Starting caliber DT (We’ve done plenty to make this a good defense- make it work Joe).
We haven’t seen 30-40 times of Chubb and Hunt in the run and pass game with Jacoby yet. And each can mask a few weaknesses we may have with Jacoby, our Center or are lack of multiple downfield threats.
I'd like to know - when we are going to see both Chubb and Hunt in at the same time? Putting a FB on the field in lieu of one of those guys seems like very outdated football man. We're replacing a legitimate attack piece for a pawn when we do that. That doesn't challenge LBers - it excites them. With those 2 guys in why not give Felton a chance in the slot instead to go with DPJ and Cooper? Or, we could just serial kill another drive with Schwartz instead of anyone else.
IMO Pittsburgh didn't have a good Oline in 2021; but that didn't stop them from finding ways to make rookie RB Najee Harris effective. Aside from a moderate 1200 yards rushing (3.9 yds per carry) he caught 74 passes. It's a version of ball control offense that acknowledges another way to get him past trouble at the line of scrimmage and into passing game mismatches vrs LBers in the flats, hook zones/gray areas.
Like Indy Infante showed us in 1986 (1 year after both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece), the RBs combined for 122 receptions in a different form of ball control offense. One may question why do that with a good Oline in tandem with what Mack and Byner just accomplished on the ground? While Kosar's lack of mobility was inviting the intrigue to blitz - the running game was inviting overload in the box. Infante decided to spread defenses out horizontally, challenge the LBers and dictate who's in charge. This made for some mentally and physically exhausted LBers. Here was the distribution of receptions among the RBs: Herman Fontenot 47, Earnest Byner 37, Kevin Mack 28, Curtis Dickey 10. All that ball control on offense gave our defense the rest and fresh legs they needed to finish the year #1 against the run. In the process, this team improved to 12-4 in 1986 from 8-8 (in spite of the sad and untimely death of Safety Don Rogers in June of 86).
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I know we have needs but I’m not ready to trade Kareem for a #3 WR or Starting caliber DT (We’ve done plenty to make this a good defense- make it work Joe).
We haven’t seen 30-40 times of Chubb and Hunt in the run and pass game with Jacoby yet. And each can mask a few weaknesses we may have with Jacoby, our Center or are lack of multiple downfield threats.
I'd like to know - when we are going to see both Chubb and Hunt in at the same time? Putting a FB on the field in lieu of one of those guys seems like very outdated football man. We're replacing a legitimate attack piece for a pawn when we do that. That doesn't challenge LBers - it excites them. With those 2 guys in why not give Felton a chance in the slot instead to go with DPJ and Cooper? Or, we could just serial kill another drive with Schwartz instead of anyone else.
IMO Pittsburgh didn't have a good Oline in 2021; but that didn't stop them from finding ways to make rookie RB Najee Harris effective. Aside from a moderate 1200 yards rushing (3.9 yds per carry) he caught 74 passes. It's a version of ball control offense that acknowledges another way to get him past trouble at the line of scrimmage and into passing game mismatches vrs LBers in the flats, hook zones/gray areas.
Like Indy Infante showed us in 1986 (1 year after both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece), the RBs combined for 122 receptions in a different form of ball control offense. One may question why do that with a good Oline in tandem with what Mack and Byner just accomplished on the ground? While Kosar's lack of mobility was inviting the intrigue to blitz - the running game was inviting overload in the box. Infante decided to spread defenses out horizontally, challenge the LBers and dictate who's in charge. This made for some mentally and physically exhausted LBers. Here was the distribution of receptions among the RBs: Herman Fontenot 47, Earnest Byner 37, Kevin Mack 28, Curtis Dickey 10. All that ball control on offense gave our defense the rest and fresh legs they needed to finish the year #1 against the run. In the process, this team improved to 12-4 in 1986 from 8-8 (in spite of the sad and untimely death of Safety Don Rogers in June of 86).
I'd like to know - when we are going to see both Chubb and Hunt in at the same time? Putting a FB on the field in lieu of one of those guys seems like very outdated football man. We're replacing a legitimate attack piece for a pawn when we do that. That doesn't challenge LBers - it excites them. With those 2 guys in why not give Felton a chance in the slot instead to go with DPJ and Cooper? Or, we could just serial kill another drive with Schwartz instead of anyone else.
IMO Pittsburgh didn't have a good Oline in 2021; but that didn't stop them from finding ways to make rookie RB Najee Harris effective. Aside from a moderate 1200 yards rushing (3.9 yds per carry) he caught 74 passes. It's a version of ball control offense that acknowledges another way to get him past trouble at the line of scrimmage and into passing game mismatches vrs LBers in the flats, hook zones/gray areas.
Like Indy Infante showed us in 1986 (1 year after both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece), the RBs combined for 122 receptions in a different form of ball control offense. One may question why do that with a good Oline in tandem with what Mack and Byner just accomplished on the ground? While Kosar's lack of mobility was inviting the intrigue to blitz - the running game was inviting overload in the box. Infante decided to spread defenses out horizontally, challenge the LBers and dictate who's in charge. This made for some mentally and physically exhausted LBers. Here was the distribution of receptions among the RBs: Herman Fontenot 47, Earnest Byner 37, Kevin Mack 28, Curtis Dickey 10. All that ball control on offense gave our defense the rest and fresh legs they needed to finish the year #1 against the run. In the process, this team improved to 12-4 in 1986 from 8-8 (in spite of the sad and untimely death of Safety Don Rogers in June of 86).
Great history revisit.
Does anyone feel there is a liability with Chubb and Hunt on the field at the same time?
Blitz pickup?
Lead blocking?
Catching the football out of the backfield?maybe we’d like to keep one fresh while the other waits? (Isn’t that why we have Johnson and/or Ford)
Are we so hell bent on certain personnel packages?
Im searching too…
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I know we have needs but I’m not ready to trade Kareem for a #3 WR or Starting caliber DT (We’ve done plenty to make this a good defense- make it work Joe).
We haven’t seen 30-40 times of Chubb and Hunt in the run and pass game with Jacoby yet. And each can mask a few weaknesses we may have with Jacoby, our Center or are lack of multiple downfield threats.
I'd like to know - when we are going to see both Chubb and Hunt in at the same time? Putting a FB on the field in lieu of one of those guys seems like very outdated football man. We're replacing a legitimate attack piece for a pawn when we do that. That doesn't challenge LBers - it excites them. With those 2 guys in why not give Felton a chance in the slot instead to go with DPJ and Cooper? Or, we could just serial kill another drive with Schwartz instead of anyone else.
IMO Pittsburgh didn't have a good Oline in 2021; but that didn't stop them from finding ways to make rookie RB Najee Harris effective. Aside from a moderate 1200 yards rushing (3.9 yds per carry) he caught 74 passes. It's a version of ball control offense that acknowledges another way to get him past trouble at the line of scrimmage and into passing game mismatches vrs LBers in the flats, hook zones/gray areas.
Like Indy Infante showed us in 1986 (1 year after both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece), the RBs combined for 122 receptions in a different form of ball control offense. One may question why do that with a good Oline in tandem with what Mack and Byner just accomplished on the ground? While Kosar's lack of mobility was inviting the intrigue to blitz - the running game was inviting overload in the box. Infante decided to spread defenses out horizontally, challenge the LBers and dictate who's in charge. This made for some mentally and physically exhausted LBers. Here was the distribution of receptions among the RBs: Herman Fontenot 47, Earnest Byner 37, Kevin Mack 28, Curtis Dickey 10. All that ball control on offense gave our defense the rest and fresh legs they needed to finish the year #1 against the run. In the process, this team improved to 12-4 in 1986 from 8-8 (in spite of the sad and untimely death of Safety Don Rogers in June of 86).
I'd like to know - when we are going to see both Chubb and Hunt in at the same time? Putting a FB on the field in lieu of one of those guys seems like very outdated football man. We're replacing a legitimate attack piece for a pawn when we do that. That doesn't challenge LBers - it excites them. With those 2 guys in why not give Felton a chance in the slot instead to go with DPJ and Cooper? Or, we could just serial kill another drive with Schwartz instead of anyone else.
IMO Pittsburgh didn't have a good Oline in 2021; but that didn't stop them from finding ways to make rookie RB Najee Harris effective. Aside from a moderate 1200 yards rushing (3.9 yds per carry) he caught 74 passes. It's a version of ball control offense that acknowledges another way to get him past trouble at the line of scrimmage and into passing game mismatches vrs LBers in the flats, hook zones/gray areas.
Like Indy Infante showed us in 1986 (1 year after both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece), the RBs combined for 122 receptions in a different form of ball control offense. One may question why do that with a good Oline in tandem with what Mack and Byner just accomplished on the ground? While Kosar's lack of mobility was inviting the intrigue to blitz - the running game was inviting overload in the box. Infante decided to spread defenses out horizontally, challenge the LBers and dictate who's in charge. This made for some mentally and physically exhausted LBers. Here was the distribution of receptions among the RBs: Herman Fontenot 47, Earnest Byner 37, Kevin Mack 28, Curtis Dickey 10. All that ball control on offense gave our defense the rest and fresh legs they needed to finish the year #1 against the run. In the process, this team improved to 12-4 in 1986 from 8-8 (in spite of the sad and untimely death of Safety Don Rogers in June of 86).
In order
- Split back ball (without a 1 back) dates back to the 80's. So it seems a bit silly to call using a true lead "outdated". I can't speak for LB's, but I can tell you as a DB and saw time at the Star (4th man in a 44), I'd rather take on Kareem in the hole than a 250lb Johnny Stanton.
It also speaks to wear and tear. If you want both Chubb and Hunt to be a fresh as possible late season, having Hunt as a lead will only take tread off those tires. LBs and upbacks are running backs without the ball.
And the 80s isn't a great frame of reference either. Linebackers are twice as athletic now. So unless you possess elite change of direction and acceleration, making a halfback a primary component in the passing game is rare. Example, CMC, Kamara and Eckler. The panthers offense would stall for long periods when teams found ways to ice McCaffrey, because of Carolina's inability to exploit all other areas of the field (especially vertical) they had no counter.
- Felton is getting looks. It's up to the coaching staff and Jacoby to make sure they get the most of him.
- Najee' was effective through volume. He was also a fresh legged rookie. I say 'was', because handing any RB 400 touches a season is going to turn them into an old man very fast. DeMarco Murray, Henry, CMC, Kamara without Breesy. All high volume backs that experienced career changing injuries after a few high touch seasons. NFL means Not For Long when you're getting that sort of workload. I would invite the Steelers to do the same this season. They invested a 1st round pick into a RB and his hips will be shot by the time it would come around to his 2nd contract with that sort of contact running style.
Ball control is a net positive when you can also combine it with explosive plays. Otherwise it's an admission your offense is flawed and working to mask those flaws while also hoping your defense makes stand after stand.
There's more than one way to skin a cat by playing ball control. And I'm not sure the Browns offense or defense is at a point where they can afford to go full turtle mode.
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I know we have needs but I’m not ready to trade Kareem for a #3 WR or Starting caliber DT (We’ve done plenty to make this a good defense- make it work Joe).
We haven’t seen 30-40 times of Chubb and Hunt in the run and pass game with Jacoby yet. And each can mask a few weaknesses we may have with Jacoby, our Center or are lack of multiple downfield threats.
I'd like to know - when we are going to see both Chubb and Hunt in at the same time? Putting a FB on the field in lieu of one of those guys seems like very outdated football man. We're replacing a legitimate attack piece for a pawn when we do that. That doesn't challenge LBers - it excites them. With those 2 guys in why not give Felton a chance in the slot instead to go with DPJ and Cooper? Or, we could just serial kill another drive with Schwartz instead of anyone else.
IMO Pittsburgh didn't have a good Oline in 2021; but that didn't stop them from finding ways to make rookie RB Najee Harris effective. Aside from a moderate 1200 yards rushing (3.9 yds per carry) he caught 74 passes. It's a version of ball control offense that acknowledges another way to get him past trouble at the line of scrimmage and into passing game mismatches vrs LBers in the flats, hook zones/gray areas.
Like Indy Infante showed us in 1986 (1 year after both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece), the RBs combined for 122 receptions in a different form of ball control offense. One may question why do that with a good Oline in tandem with what Mack and Byner just accomplished on the ground? While Kosar's lack of mobility was inviting the intrigue to blitz - the running game was inviting overload in the box. Infante decided to spread defenses out horizontally, challenge the LBers and dictate who's in charge. This made for some mentally and physically exhausted LBers. Here was the distribution of receptions among the RBs: Herman Fontenot 47, Earnest Byner 37, Kevin Mack 28, Curtis Dickey 10. All that ball control on offense gave our defense the rest and fresh legs they needed to finish the year #1 against the run. In the process, this team improved to 12-4 in 1986 from 8-8 (in spite of the sad and untimely death of Safety Don Rogers in June of 86).
I'd like to know - when we are going to see both Chubb and Hunt in at the same time? Putting a FB on the field in lieu of one of those guys seems like very outdated football man. We're replacing a legitimate attack piece for a pawn when we do that. That doesn't challenge LBers - it excites them. With those 2 guys in why not give Felton a chance in the slot instead to go with DPJ and Cooper? Or, we could just serial kill another drive with Schwartz instead of anyone else.
IMO Pittsburgh didn't have a good Oline in 2021; but that didn't stop them from finding ways to make rookie RB Najee Harris effective. Aside from a moderate 1200 yards rushing (3.9 yds per carry) he caught 74 passes. It's a version of ball control offense that acknowledges another way to get him past trouble at the line of scrimmage and into passing game mismatches vrs LBers in the flats, hook zones/gray areas.
Like Indy Infante showed us in 1986 (1 year after both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece), the RBs combined for 122 receptions in a different form of ball control offense. One may question why do that with a good Oline in tandem with what Mack and Byner just accomplished on the ground? While Kosar's lack of mobility was inviting the intrigue to blitz - the running game was inviting overload in the box. Infante decided to spread defenses out horizontally, challenge the LBers and dictate who's in charge. This made for some mentally and physically exhausted LBers. Here was the distribution of receptions among the RBs: Herman Fontenot 47, Earnest Byner 37, Kevin Mack 28, Curtis Dickey 10. All that ball control on offense gave our defense the rest and fresh legs they needed to finish the year #1 against the run. In the process, this team improved to 12-4 in 1986 from 8-8 (in spite of the sad and untimely death of Safety Don Rogers in June of 86).
Shitpantski is too chickenshit to be that creative and aggressive... He's too conservative for my liking...
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I'd like to know - when we are going to see both Chubb and Hunt in at the same time? Putting a FB on the field in lieu of one of those guys seems like very outdated football man. We're replacing a legitimate attack piece for a pawn when we do that. That doesn't challenge LBers - it excites them. With those 2 guys in why not give Felton a chance in the slot instead to go with DPJ and Cooper? Or, we could just serial kill another drive with Schwartz instead of anyone else.
IMO Pittsburgh didn't have a good Oline in 2021; but that didn't stop them from finding ways to make rookie RB Najee Harris effective. Aside from a moderate 1200 yards rushing (3.9 yds per carry) he caught 74 passes. It's a version of ball control offense that acknowledges another way to get him past trouble at the line of scrimmage and into passing game mismatches vrs LBers in the flats, hook zones/gray areas.
Like Indy Infante showed us in 1986 (1 year after both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece), the RBs combined for 122 receptions in a different form of ball control offense. One may question why do that with a good Oline in tandem with what Mack and Byner just accomplished on the ground? While Kosar's lack of mobility was inviting the intrigue to blitz - the running game was inviting overload in the box. Infante decided to spread defenses out horizontally, challenge the LBers and dictate who's in charge. This made for some mentally and physically exhausted LBers. Here was the distribution of receptions among the RBs: Herman Fontenot 47, Earnest Byner 37, Kevin Mack 28, Curtis Dickey 10. All that ball control on offense gave our defense the rest and fresh legs they needed to finish the year #1 against the run. In the process, this team improved to 12-4 in 1986 from 8-8 (in spite of the sad and untimely death of Safety Don Rogers in June of 86).
In order
- Split back ball (without a 1 back) dates back to the 80's. So it seems a bit silly to call using a true lead "outdated". I can't speak for LB's, but I can tell you as a DB and saw time at the Star (4th man in a 44), I'd rather take on Kareem in the hole than a 250lb Johnny Stanton.
It also speaks to wear and tear. If you want both Chubb and Hunt to be a fresh as possible late season, having Hunt as a lead will only take tread off those tires. LBs and upbacks are running backs without the ball.
And the 80s isn't a great frame of reference either. Linebackers are twice as athletic now. So unless you possess elite change of direction and acceleration, making a halfback a primary component in the passing game is rare. Example, CMC, Kamara and Eckler. The panthers offense would stall for long periods when teams found ways to ice McCaffrey, because of Carolina's inability to exploit all other areas of the field (especially vertical) they had no counter.
- Felton is getting looks. It's up to the coaching staff and Jacoby to make sure they get the most of him.
- Najee' was effective through volume. He was also a fresh legged rookie. I say 'was', because handing any RB 400 touches a season is going to turn them into an old man very fast. DeMarco Murray, Henry, CMC, Kamara without Breesy. All high volume backs that experienced career changing injuries after a few high touch seasons. NFL means Not For Long when you're getting that sort of workload. I would invite the Steelers to do the same this season. They invested a 1st round pick into a RB and his hips will be shot by the time it would come around to his 2nd contract with that sort of contact running style.
Ball control is a net positive when you can also combine it with explosive plays. Otherwise it's an admission your offense is flawed and working to mask those flaws while also hoping your defense makes stand after stand.
There's more than one way to skin a cat by playing ball control. And I'm not sure the Browns offense or defense is at a point where they can afford to go full turtle mode.
In order
- Split back ball (without a 1 back) dates back to the 80's. So it seems a bit silly to call using a true lead "outdated". I can't speak for LB's, but I can tell you as a DB and saw time at the Star (4th man in a 44), I'd rather take on Kareem in the hole than a 250lb Johnny Stanton.
It also speaks to wear and tear. If you want both Chubb and Hunt to be a fresh as possible late season, having Hunt as a lead will only take tread off those tires. LBs and upbacks are running backs without the ball.
And the 80s isn't a great frame of reference either. Linebackers are twice as athletic now. So unless you possess elite change of direction and acceleration, making a halfback a primary component in the passing game is rare. Example, CMC, Kamara and Eckler. The panthers offense would stall for long periods when teams found ways to ice McCaffrey, because of Carolina's inability to exploit all other areas of the field (especially vertical) they had no counter.
- Felton is getting looks. It's up to the coaching staff and Jacoby to make sure they get the most of him.
- Najee' was effective through volume. He was also a fresh legged rookie. I say 'was', because handing any RB 400 touches a season is going to turn them into an old man very fast. DeMarco Murray, Henry, CMC, Kamara without Breesy. All high volume backs that experienced career changing injuries after a few high touch seasons. NFL means Not For Long when you're getting that sort of workload. I would invite the Steelers to do the same this season. They invested a 1st round pick into a RB and his hips will be shot by the time it would come around to his 2nd contract with that sort of contact running style.
Ball control is a net positive when you can also combine it with explosive plays. Otherwise it's an admission your offense is flawed and working to mask those flaws while also hoping your defense makes stand after stand.
There's more than one way to skin a cat by playing ball control. And I'm not sure the Browns offense or defense is at a point where they can afford to go full turtle mode.
I don’t think anyone is saying why do we have Stanton on the roster, but I think I a lot of people are saying if Kevin wants to be “multiple” one of his favorite buzz words along with “work”. Can a package (not the entire offense) be devised where both backs are on the field? Both have elite balls skills and playmaking ability. I’d find something to get them on the field together in a package. Is this too far off base????
If one or both get tired you throw DJohnson in the mix or Ford. Are we not comfortable enough with those two- we are seemingly very willing to deal Hunt and feature either behind Chubb. Are we saving Kareem for next season? It appears the wear and tear this year will go on another roster and another team to manage.
I don’t normally praise a Steeler but Najee had a good year considering the year Ben had. You can say volume or you say getting the tough yards but I think he played a big role getting them to the playoffs.
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Replay of the game is on NFL Network 212 Direct TV today at 400PM EDT (3PM CDT). Recording to watch later since I play RB @3 our time.
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In order
- Split back ball (without a 1 back) dates back to the 80's. So it seems a bit silly to call using a true lead "outdated". I can't speak for LB's, but I can tell you as a DB and saw time at the Star (4th man in a 44), I'd rather take on Kareem in the hole than a 250lb Johnny Stanton.
It also speaks to wear and tear. If you want both Chubb and Hunt to be a fresh as possible late season, having Hunt as a lead will only take tread off those tires. LBs and upbacks are running backs without the ball.
And the 80s isn't a great frame of reference either. Linebackers are twice as athletic now. So unless you possess elite change of direction and acceleration, making a halfback a primary component in the passing game is rare. Example, CMC, Kamara and Eckler. The panthers offense would stall for long periods when teams found ways to ice McCaffrey, because of Carolina's inability to exploit all other areas of the field (especially vertical) they had no counter.
- Felton is getting looks. It's up to the coaching staff and Jacoby to make sure they get the most of him.
- Najee' was effective through volume. He was also a fresh legged rookie. I say 'was', because handing any RB 400 touches a season is going to turn them into an old man very fast. DeMarco Murray, Henry, CMC, Kamara without Breesy. All high volume backs that experienced career changing injuries after a few high touch seasons. NFL means Not For Long when you're getting that sort of workload. I would invite the Steelers to do the same this season. They invested a 1st round pick into a RB and his hips will be shot by the time it would come around to his 2nd contract with that sort of contact running style.
Ball control is a net positive when you can also combine it with explosive plays. Otherwise it's an admission your offense is flawed and working to mask those flaws while also hoping your defense makes stand after stand.
There's more than one way to skin a cat by playing ball control. And I'm not sure the Browns offense or defense is at a point where they can afford to go full turtle mode.
I don’t think anyone is saying why do we have Stanton on the roster, but I think I a lot of people are saying if Kevin wants to be “multiple” one of his favorite buzz words along with “work”. Can a package (not the entire offense) be devised where both backs are on the field? Both have elite balls skills and playmaking ability. I’d find something to get them on the field together in a package. Is this too far off base????
If one or both get tired you throw DJohnson in the mix or Ford. Are we not comfortable enough with those two- we are seemingly very willing to deal Hunt and feature either behind Chubb. Are we saving Kareem for next season? It appears the wear and tear this year will go on another roster and another team to manage.
I don’t normally praise a Steeler but Najee had a good year considering the year Ben had. You can say volume or you say getting the tough yards but I think he played a big role getting them to the playoffs.
I don’t think anyone is saying why do we have Stanton on the roster, but I think I a lot of people are saying if Kevin wants to be “multiple” one of his favorite buzz words along with “work”. Can a package (not the entire offense) be devised where both backs are on the field? Both have elite balls skills and playmaking ability. I’d find something to get them on the field together in a package. Is this too far off base????
If one or both get tired you throw DJohnson in the mix or Ford. Are we not comfortable enough with those two- we are seemingly very willing to deal Hunt and feature either behind Chubb. Are we saving Kareem for next season? It appears the wear and tear this year will go on another roster and another team to manage.
I don’t normally praise a Steeler but Najee had a good year considering the year Ben had. You can say volume or you say getting the tough yards but I think he played a big role getting them to the playoffs.
Several reasons, I suppose.
- We run a great deal of one back sets like a lot outside zone offenses. 21 personnel gives us more flexibility in the passing game.
- While Chubb and Hunt are elite playmakers as pure runners and in the screen game, I don't see them as backs who are elite at setting up and leveraging defenders on choice concepts from the backfield. So their route selection will be incredibly limited. Again, that's where I bring up players like CMC, Kamara and Eckler... different athlete's, different styles, different ways to make the effective.
- If they have limited route viability, then bringing in both of them at the same time in favor over Felton or Bryant, the former who operates with better lateral explosion and the later who can be a downfield presence, really gives tips to defenses and allows them to key on certain routes and screens.
I'm not saying it's a terrible idea to draw up certain looks and that you can't have it as a wrinkle. I love the idea of the screen game with it. But Chubb and Hunt are similarly skilled, similarly built and styled backs. There is little contrast to their game that would be more a complement, as opposed to being more overlapping.
Edit: another thing to consider- Jacoby. You have a new QB learning your playbook, language and players. No way is he going to be able to digest and execute it all in a single off-season. So the coaching staff is going to be busy cutting the fat, if you will. Finding what best works for him, and trying to maximize our most utilized personnel grouping - 21. So the idea of expanding the playbook not only with using 12 personnel in a two back set, but having multiple calls off of whatever your base for that would be, is a tall task for a new starter. I'd be more apt to have time mastering what we have and maybe tossing in a fun design like a throwback screen off action.
- Najee is a damn good young RB. But the weakness in the Steelers offense were between their Oline and Ben. As a result, Najee had to get a TON of touches in order to produce numbers. His 3.9 per carry is evidence of the lack of talent up front, not an inefficient running style. The Steelers were a ball control offense as a result, not so much by initial design.
Replay of the game is on NFL Network 212 Direct TV today at 400PM EDT (3PM CDT). Recording to watch later since I play RB @3 our time.
If your old ass manages to figure out the internet, don't hesitate to install and pop in TBB discord when I watch and share the all-22. Easier and more informative than a broadcast replay. (Sans Joe Thomas' knowledge)
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I'd like to know - when we are going to see both Chubb and Hunt in at the same time? Putting a FB on the field in lieu of one of those guys seems like very outdated football man. We're replacing a legitimate attack piece for a pawn when we do that. That doesn't challenge LBers - it excites them. With those 2 guys in why not give Felton a chance in the slot instead to go with DPJ and Cooper? Or, we could just serial kill another drive with Schwartz instead of anyone else.
IMO Pittsburgh didn't have a good Oline in 2021; but that didn't stop them from finding ways to make rookie RB Najee Harris effective. Aside from a moderate 1200 yards rushing (3.9 yds per carry) he caught 74 passes. It's a version of ball control offense that acknowledges another way to get him past trouble at the line of scrimmage and into passing game mismatches vrs LBers in the flats, hook zones/gray areas.
Like Indy Infante showed us in 1986 (1 year after both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece), the RBs combined for 122 receptions in a different form of ball control offense. One may question why do that with a good Oline in tandem with what Mack and Byner just accomplished on the ground? While Kosar's lack of mobility was inviting the intrigue to blitz - the running game was inviting overload in the box. Infante decided to spread defenses out horizontally, challenge the LBers and dictate who's in charge. This made for some mentally and physically exhausted LBers. Here was the distribution of receptions among the RBs: Herman Fontenot 47, Earnest Byner 37, Kevin Mack 28, Curtis Dickey 10. All that ball control on offense gave our defense the rest and fresh legs they needed to finish the year #1 against the run. In the process, this team improved to 12-4 in 1986 from 8-8 (in spite of the sad and untimely death of Safety Don Rogers in June of 86).
In order
- Split back ball (without a 1 back) dates back to the 80's. So it seems a bit silly to call using a true lead "outdated". I can't speak for LB's, but I can tell you as a DB and saw time at the Star (4th man in a 44), I'd rather take on Kareem in the hole than a 250lb Johnny Stanton.
It also speaks to wear and tear. If you want both Chubb and Hunt to be a fresh as possible late season, having Hunt as a lead will only take tread off those tires. LBs and upbacks are running backs without the ball.
And the 80s isn't a great frame of reference either. Linebackers are twice as athletic now. So unless you possess elite change of direction and acceleration, making a halfback a primary component in the passing game is rare. Example, CMC, Kamara and Eckler. The panthers offense would stall for long periods when teams found ways to ice McCaffrey, because of Carolina's inability to exploit all other areas of the field (especially vertical) they had no counter.
- Felton is getting looks. It's up to the coaching staff and Jacoby to make sure they get the most of him.
- Najee' was effective through volume. He was also a fresh legged rookie. I say 'was', because handing any RB 400 touches a season is going to turn them into an old man very fast. DeMarco Murray, Henry, CMC, Kamara without Breesy. All high volume backs that experienced career changing injuries after a few high touch seasons. NFL means Not For Long when you're getting that sort of workload. I would invite the Steelers to do the same this season. They invested a 1st round pick into a RB and his hips will be shot by the time it would come around to his 2nd contract with that sort of contact running style.
Ball control is a net positive when you can also combine it with explosive plays. Otherwise it's an admission your offense is flawed and working to mask those flaws while also hoping your defense makes stand after stand.
There's more than one way to skin a cat by playing ball control. And I'm not sure the Browns offense or defense is at a point where they can afford to go full turtle mode.
In order
- Split back ball (without a 1 back) dates back to the 80's. So it seems a bit silly to call using a true lead "outdated". I can't speak for LB's, but I can tell you as a DB and saw time at the Star (4th man in a 44), I'd rather take on Kareem in the hole than a 250lb Johnny Stanton.
It also speaks to wear and tear. If you want both Chubb and Hunt to be a fresh as possible late season, having Hunt as a lead will only take tread off those tires. LBs and upbacks are running backs without the ball.
And the 80s isn't a great frame of reference either. Linebackers are twice as athletic now. So unless you possess elite change of direction and acceleration, making a halfback a primary component in the passing game is rare. Example, CMC, Kamara and Eckler. The panthers offense would stall for long periods when teams found ways to ice McCaffrey, because of Carolina's inability to exploit all other areas of the field (especially vertical) they had no counter.
- Felton is getting looks. It's up to the coaching staff and Jacoby to make sure they get the most of him.
- Najee' was effective through volume. He was also a fresh legged rookie. I say 'was', because handing any RB 400 touches a season is going to turn them into an old man very fast. DeMarco Murray, Henry, CMC, Kamara without Breesy. All high volume backs that experienced career changing injuries after a few high touch seasons. NFL means Not For Long when you're getting that sort of workload. I would invite the Steelers to do the same this season. They invested a 1st round pick into a RB and his hips will be shot by the time it would come around to his 2nd contract with that sort of contact running style.
Ball control is a net positive when you can also combine it with explosive plays. Otherwise it's an admission your offense is flawed and working to mask those flaws while also hoping your defense makes stand after stand.
There's more than one way to skin a cat by playing ball control. And I'm not sure the Browns offense or defense is at a point where they can afford to go full turtle mode.
You finally gave me something to disagree with you about; and it's more of a personal preference/taste on my part. And I'll just give you my reasoning behind it that you may or may not agree with.
I'd rather have the type of Fullback Kevin Mack or Mike Alstott could play in the sense they both offered the offense way more than just a lead block role. Mack ran a 4.5 coming out of Clemson so he was a weapon catching the ball or carrying it when our other back (Byner) was a very physical back that could block almost as well as Mack. The type of physics Mack brought to a collision well,,, just ask Greg Lloyd about the time he woke up to smelling salts in Cleveland following one of those. Alstott was a lot like Mack in the sense he could run through people and even surprise people he had the jest to run away from defenders with a head of steam. He also had great hands while he was a great lead blocker for Warrick Dunn when necessary.
The 72 Dolphins had Larry Csonka rushing for over 1000 yards inside and Mercury Morris rushing for over 1000 yards outside plus Jim Kiick chipping in over 600 yards. They also had Paul Warfield's 4.3 40 speed over the top for anyone trying to load the box.
Today, I'd rather have Chubb and Hunt on the field at the same time than Stanton tipping a tendency that our opponents will be extremely well prepared for. LBers can range anywhere from 220 to 245 lbs; so I'm guessing they're not going to be overwhelmed by Stanton as you might think. The more you can make a defense guess how a RB will be used in the formation is a plus. Cleveland doesn't have to use an I backfield stacking a tailback behind a lead blocker/FB like the Chargers did with LT behind Lorenzo Neal if we use Chubb and Hunt. You can use a Pro Set and still do an iso/blast the hole with Chubb leading and Hunt taking the hand off or vice versa. There's so much the Browns can do with these 2 guys. I do agree both will need rest so we can substitute Ford and D'Ernest. Back in 86, Curtis Dickey started over Byner (a lot of people forget that) so Lindy Infante used Mack, Dickey, Byner and Fontenot. I prefer the pro set myself because I can use counter action in the backfield and involve another RB like a Felton/Ford/D'Ernest J in the slot. I could also set up the entire Buck Series, which includes a QB bootleg for Waggle Passes set up from the play-action of those counters. My point in all this? We don't have to be so boring and predictable for our opponents. When Hunt comes in for Chubb - defenses know there's a much greater chance the Browns will be throwing to the RB when this happens.
This would be a really fun discussion with cold beers some time.
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In order
- Split back ball (without a 1 back) dates back to the 80's. So it seems a bit silly to call using a true lead "outdated". I can't speak for LB's, but I can tell you as a DB and saw time at the Star (4th man in a 44), I'd rather take on Kareem in the hole than a 250lb Johnny Stanton.
It also speaks to wear and tear. If you want both Chubb and Hunt to be a fresh as possible late season, having Hunt as a lead will only take tread off those tires. LBs and upbacks are running backs without the ball.
And the 80s isn't a great frame of reference either. Linebackers are twice as athletic now. So unless you possess elite change of direction and acceleration, making a halfback a primary component in the passing game is rare. Example, CMC, Kamara and Eckler. The panthers offense would stall for long periods when teams found ways to ice McCaffrey, because of Carolina's inability to exploit all other areas of the field (especially vertical) they had no counter.
- Felton is getting looks. It's up to the coaching staff and Jacoby to make sure they get the most of him.
- Najee' was effective through volume. He was also a fresh legged rookie. I say 'was', because handing any RB 400 touches a season is going to turn them into an old man very fast. DeMarco Murray, Henry, CMC, Kamara without Breesy. All high volume backs that experienced career changing injuries after a few high touch seasons. NFL means Not For Long when you're getting that sort of workload. I would invite the Steelers to do the same this season. They invested a 1st round pick into a RB and his hips will be shot by the time it would come around to his 2nd contract with that sort of contact running style.
Ball control is a net positive when you can also combine it with explosive plays. Otherwise it's an admission your offense is flawed and working to mask those flaws while also hoping your defense makes stand after stand.
There's more than one way to skin a cat by playing ball control. And I'm not sure the Browns offense or defense is at a point where they can afford to go full turtle mode.
You finally gave me something to disagree with you about; and it's more of a personal preference/taste on my part. And I'll just give you my reasoning behind it that you may or may not agree with.
I'd rather have the type of Fullback Kevin Mack or Mike Alstott could play in the sense they both offered the offense way more than just a lead block role. Mack ran a 4.5 coming out of Clemson so he was a weapon catching the ball or carrying it when our other back (Byner) was a very physical back that could block almost as well as Mack. The type of physics Mack brought to a collision well,,, just ask Greg Lloyd about the time he woke up to smelling salts in Cleveland following one of those. Alstott was a lot like Mack in the sense he could run through people and even surprise people he had the jest to run away from defenders with a head of steam. He also had great hands while he was a great lead blocker for Warrick Dunn when necessary.
The 72 Dolphins had Larry Csonka rushing for over 1000 yards inside and Mercury Morris rushing for over 1000 yards outside plus Jim Kiick chipping in over 600 yards. They also had Paul Warfield's 4.3 40 speed over the top for anyone trying to load the box.
Today, I'd rather have Chubb and Hunt on the field at the same time than Stanton tipping a tendency that our opponents will be extremely well prepared for. LBers can range anywhere from 220 to 245 lbs; so I'm guessing they're not going to be overwhelmed by Stanton as you might think. The more you can make a defense guess how a RB will be used in the formation is a plus. Cleveland doesn't have to use an I backfield stacking a tailback behind a lead blocker/FB like the Chargers did with LT behind Lorenzo Neal if we use Chubb and Hunt. You can use a Pro Set and still do an iso/blast the hole with Chubb leading and Hunt taking the hand off or vice versa. There's so much the Browns can do with these 2 guys. I do agree both will need rest so we can substitute Ford and D'Ernest. Back in 86, Curtis Dickey started over Byner (a lot of people forget that) so Lindy Infante used Mack, Dickey, Byner and Fontenot. I prefer the pro set myself because I can use counter action in the backfield and involve another RB like a Felton/Ford/D'Ernest J in the slot. I could also set up the entire Buck Series, which includes a QB bootleg for Waggle Passes set up from the play-action of those counters. My point in all this? We don't have to be so boring and predictable for our opponents. When Hunt comes in for Chubb - defenses know there's a much greater chance the Browns will be throwing to the RB when this happens.
This would be a really fun discussion with cold beers some time.
You finally gave me something to disagree with you about; and it's more of a personal preference/taste on my part. And I'll just give you my reasoning behind it that you may or may not agree with.
I'd rather have the type of Fullback Kevin Mack or Mike Alstott could play in the sense they both offered the offense way more than just a lead block role. Mack ran a 4.5 coming out of Clemson so he was a weapon catching the ball or carrying it when our other back (Byner) was a very physical back that could block almost as well as Mack. The type of physics Mack brought to a collision well,,, just ask Greg Lloyd about the time he woke up to smelling salts in Cleveland following one of those. Alstott was a lot like Mack in the sense he could run through people and even surprise people he had the jest to run away from defenders with a head of steam. He also had great hands while he was a great lead blocker for Warrick Dunn when necessary.
The 72 Dolphins had Larry Csonka rushing for over 1000 yards inside and Mercury Morris rushing for over 1000 yards outside plus Jim Kiick chipping in over 600 yards. They also had Paul Warfield's 4.3 40 speed over the top for anyone trying to load the box.
Today, I'd rather have Chubb and Hunt on the field at the same time than Stanton tipping a tendency that our opponents will be extremely well prepared for. LBers can range anywhere from 220 to 245 lbs; so I'm guessing they're not going to be overwhelmed by Stanton as you might think. The more you can make a defense guess how a RB will be used in the formation is a plus. Cleveland doesn't have to use an I backfield stacking a tailback behind a lead blocker/FB like the Chargers did with LT behind Lorenzo Neal if we use Chubb and Hunt. You can use a Pro Set and still do an iso/blast the hole with Chubb leading and Hunt taking the hand off or vice versa. There's so much the Browns can do with these 2 guys. I do agree both will need rest so we can substitute Ford and D'Ernest. Back in 86, Curtis Dickey started over Byner (a lot of people forget that) so Lindy Infante used Mack, Dickey, Byner and Oliphant. I prefer the pro set myself because I can use counter action in the backfield and involve another RB like a Felton/Ford/D'Ernest J in the slot. I could also set up the entire Buck Series, which includes a QB bootleg for Waggle Passes set up from the play-action of those counters. My point in all this? We don't have to be so boring and predictable for our opponents. When Hunt comes in for Chubb - defenses know there's a much greater chance the Browns will be throwing to the RB when this happens.
This would be a really fun discussion with cold beers some time.
- The A train. I got to grow up watching him. EVERYBODY I played football with as a kid wanted to be Alstott. At one point in jr high we begged our coach to run, what we called, the 'bully' offense - 23 personnel. Absolutely zero desire to avoid contact. But Mack and Alstott were/are rarities. The ability to find ball carrier of that size, with balance, coordination, quickness and ball security isn't easy.
- If anything, having both Chubb and Hunt on the field would be tipping a tendency. While we might disagree, when Chubb isn't getting the ball, I don't want him taking on the contact that comes from being a lead. That's just more wear on the body, minus carrying the rock. Same for Kareem. I don't need Stanton to be overwhelming, I need him to be effective and to take on the contact I don't want to hand to my ball carriers every down. There are also designs where you invite backers and underneath coverage to play a game coaches call "follow the fullback", which plays directly into a lot of how Stef sets up the play action game with 21 and 22 personnel.
I've mentioned their involvement in the passing game, but neither Chubb or Huntt are dynamic enough (beyond the screen game) to be a primary option in the passing game. And my comment about linebackers still reasons that, unless you are that CMC type, you aren't going to out pace this new breed of athlete LB sideline to sideline consistently. So tracking Chubb or Hunt from the backfield isn't a very tall order for them.
- And under no circumstances would I use Ford or DJ as a removed receiver... slot or otherwise, unless it's specifically draw up as a gadget play where they would get the ball. Neither of them would threaten a LB or DB in coverage. The idea with your #2 and #3 is to force those wins in coverage with twitchy or larger athlete's. Wes Welker is an example of one side on the spectrum, Dallas Clark would be on the other side.
- Cross Buck action tends to only work at the college level. Big reason being pass rush. The time it requires to execute those types of designs is.... quite a bit. But the very last team I played for used a great deal of "pro"/split sets and blast calls. Pretty sure I even still have the playbook somewhere? Maybe it's in my parents basement? Might have to call them up and try to find it some day for memories.
- I have a feeling the boring and dirty, which was ineffective for good stretches last year (because of QB play) would be far more entertaining if we had a passer hitting the routine and methodical throws. Which swings back around to my larger point at hand. Handing Jacoby more work to learn is counterproductive to him digesting and mastering the bulk of the meat and potatoes parts of the playbook. And we're down to 2 weeks until game 1. So the likelyhood of having 2 different formations, with a new personnel grouping and 8 plays for each formation, just really isn't in the cards. Doesn't mean it wouldn't be cool to see, but it doesn't scream 'realistic' at this moment.
I have a full plate but various parts of my schedule open here or there, and I always make time in the fall for football. I'm actually looking ahead at the October 8th game when the Bolts come to town, possibly even finally hitting the gnats backers tailgate and saying hi. But you say when and where on the beers, we might even be able to make it a TBB group thing.
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