Biden admin signs off on scrubbing 'names and displays' from military bases

[cccjwh]

Yeah, it's a great day for our country. No more traitors' names on our military bases. 

[Vambo]

[cccjwh]

https://www.armytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/05/24/panel-to-push-for-fort-bragg-to-be-renamed-fort-liberty/

The recommendation is for Fort Benning to be renamed to Fort Moore for Lt. Gen. Hal Moore and wife.

Benning summary:
Ardent Secessionist and traitor
Never served in US military
Got his ass handed to him at the Battle of Chickamauga
Then lost as part of the Battle of Wauhatchie outside of Chattanooga
Part of losing to Grant in the 1864 Overland Campaign, but they did kill a lot of US Army soldiers. Benning did get wounded. So sad.
Lucky to come back in time so he could surrender to the US Army in 1865 with Lee

"What was the reason that induced Georgia to take the step of secession? This reason may be summed up in one single proposition. It was a conviction, a deep conviction on the part of Georgia, that a separation from the North-was the only thing that could prevent the abolition of her slavery. " - Henry Benning

So Mr. Benning is being replace by Harold Gregory Moore Jr.

Yeah that guy from We Were Soldiers. Moore graduated from West Point on June 5, 1945. Moore was commissioned as a Second Lieutenant of Infantry in early 1945. He served with the 187th Airborne Infantry Regiment in Japan from 1945 until 1948. In 1948 he was re-assigned to Fort Bragg. While with the 82nd Airborne Division, he volunteered to join the Airborne Test Section, a special unit testing experimental parachutes, and he made some 150 jumps with the section over the next two years. Over the course of his career, he became a master parachutist with over 300 jumps.

In 1952 Moore was assigned to the 17th Infantry Regiment of the 7th Infantry Division as a captain in the Korean War. While in Korea, he commanded both a rifle company and a heavy mortar company in combat. He next served as Regimental and then Divisional Assistant Chief-of-Staff, Operations and Plans. Stop in Allied Forces Northern Europe, National War College, Air Assault to go with his Airbourne. See "We Were Soldiers" for summary of Vietnam services. 

After the Battle of the Ia Drang Valley, Moore was promoted to colonel and took over the command of the Garry Owen Brigade. After service in Vietnam, Moore served as Assistant Chief-of-Staff, Operations and Plans of the Eighth Army in South Korea, and Commanding General of the 7th Infantry Division, before rotating back to the US. As Commanding General of the Army Training Center at Fort Ord, California in 1971-1973, he oversaw extensive experimentation in adapting basic and advanced individual training under Project VOLAR in preparation for the end of conscription and the institution of the Modern Volunteer Army. His final assignments took him to the East Coast, as Commanding General of the Military Personnel Records Center, and finally, Deputy Chief of Staff for Personnel, Department of the Army.

Retired in 1977, died in 2017.

Quote

“There is no such thing as closure for soldiers who have survived a war. They have an obligation, a sacred duty, to remember those who fell in battle beside them all their days and to bear witness to the insanity that is war.” - Harold G. Moore, We Are Soldiers Still: A Journey Back to the Battlefields of Vietnam

https://militaryhallofhonor.com/honoree-record.php?id=222439

Moore unlike Benning was an actual US Army solider and should be celebrated for his service. 

[Westside Steve]

@cccjwh said:

https://www.armytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/05/24/panel-to-push-for-fort-bragg-to-be-renamed-fort-liberty/

The recommendation is for Fort Benning to be renamed to Fort Moore for Lt. Gen. Hal Moore and wife.

Benning summary:
Ardent Secessionist and traitor
Never served in US military
Got his ass handed to him at the Battle of Chickamauga
Then lost as part of the Battle of Wauhatchie outside of Chattanooga
Part of losing to Grant in the 1864 Overland Campaign, but they did kill a lot of US Army soldiers. Benning did get wounded. So sad.
Lucky to come back in time so he could surrender to the US Army in 1865 with Lee

"What was the reason that induced Georgia to take the step of secession? This reason may be summed up in one single proposition. It was a conviction, a deep conviction on the part of Georgia, that a separation from the North-was the only thing that could prevent the abolition of her slavery. " - Henry Benning

So Mr. Benning is being replace by Harold Gregory Moore Jr.

Yeah that guy from We Were Soldiers. Moore graduated from West Point on June 5, 1945. Moore was commissioned as a Second Lieutenant of Infantry in early 1945. He served with the 187th Airborne Infantry Regiment in Japan from 1945 until 1948. In 1948 he was re-assigned to Fort Bragg. While with the 82nd Airborne Division, he volunteered to join the Airborne Test Section, a special unit testing experimental parachutes, and he made some 150 jumps with the section over the next two years. Over the course of his career, he became a master parachutist with over 300 jumps.

In 1952 Moore was assigned to the 17th Infantry Regiment of the 7th Infantry Division as a captain in the Korean War. While in Korea, he commanded both a rifle company and a heavy mortar company in combat. He next served as Regimental and then Divisional Assistant Chief-of-Staff, Operations and Plans. Stop in Allied Forces Northern Europe, National War College, Air Assault to go with his Airbourne. See "We Were Soldiers" for summary of Vietnam services. 

After the Battle of the Ia Drang Valley, Moore was promoted to colonel and took over the command of the Garry Owen Brigade. After service in Vietnam, Moore served as Assistant Chief-of-Staff, Operations and Plans of the Eighth Army in South Korea, and Commanding General of the 7th Infantry Division, before rotating back to the US. As Commanding General of the Army Training Center at Fort Ord, California in 1971-1973, he oversaw extensive experimentation in adapting basic and advanced individual training under Project VOLAR in preparation for the end of conscription and the institution of the Modern Volunteer Army. His final assignments took him to the East Coast, as Commanding General of the Military Personnel Records Center, and finally, Deputy Chief of Staff for Personnel, Department of the Army.

Retired in 1977, died in 2017.

Quote

“There is no such thing as closure for soldiers who have survived a war. They have an obligation, a sacred duty, to remember those who fell in battle beside them all their days and to bear witness to the insanity that is war.” - Harold G. Moore, We Are Soldiers Still: A Journey Back to the Battlefields of Vietnam

https://militaryhallofhonor.com/honoree-record.php?id=222439

Moore unlike Benning was an actual US Army solider and should be celebrated for his service. 

"Ardent Secessionist and traitor"

 don't forget: of all Abraham Lincoln named forts to try and promote the healing between the North and south. (I realize healing is no longer in Vogue for some of you) Then again you might not revere Abraham Lincoln the guy who used weapons of mass destruction (for the era) to murder Men Women and Children rape pillage and murder innocent civilians in the south.. but we knew that.

 second that statement describes the founding fathers. Just a note for the insufferable loud mouth hypocrites like you.

WSS

[cccjwh]

@westside-steve said:

"Ardent Secessionist and traitor"

 don't forget: of all Abraham Lincoln named forts to try and promote the healing between the North and south. (I realize healing is no longer in Vogue for some of you) Then again you might not revere Abraham Lincoln the guy who used weapons of mass destruction (for the era) to murder Men Women and Children rape pillage and murder innocent civilians in the south.. but we knew that.

 second that statement describes the founding fathers. Just a note for the insufferable loud mouth hypocrites like you.

WSS

You keep on defending traitors, Steve. Benning was both an ardent secessionist and a traitor. There are zero reasons to have traitor's name on a United States military base and in the near future, there won't be any. Please cry some more about it. Goodbye traitors. 

[Canton Dawg]

I’m sure the Libtards will want to name something after their martyr George Floyd.

[cccjwh]

@canton-dawg said:

I’m sure the Libtards will want to name something after their martyr George Floyd.

Well at least Floyd wasn't a traitor. Maybe if he killed a bunch of US soldiers you guys would want to name something after him? 

[FY56]

@cccjwh said:

Well at least Floyd wasn't a traitor. Maybe if he killed a bunch of US soldiers you guys would want to name something after him? 

I just knew when I clicked on this something stupid would pop up. 

I'm pretty sure it was explained to you simpletons once already the reasons why the Confederates were not considered traitors.

[Westside Steve]

@cccjwh said:

Well at least Floyd wasn't a traitor. Maybe if he killed a bunch of US soldiers you guys would want to name something after him? 

Actually it's you assholes that named shit after him. Makes sense though since he's the base of your party. Confederate soldiers were no better or worse than American revolutionaries.

WSS

[cccjwh]

@fy56 said:

I just knew when I clicked on this something stupid would pop up. 

I'm pretty sure it was explained to you simpletons once already the reasons why the Confederates were not considered traitors.

They were traitors FY. That is why they needed pardons for treason. The reason you don't consider them traitors is because you were taught to honor them. Lost Cause propaganda. 

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason"

Which words are you confused by?

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/proclamation-179-granting-full-pardon-and-amnesty-for-the-offense-treason-against-the

Now, therefore, be it known that I, Andrew Johnson President of the United States, by virtue of the power and authority in me vested by the Constitution and in the name of the sovereign people of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare unconditionally and without reservation, to all and to every person who, directly or indirectly, participated in the late insurrection or rebellion a full pardon and amnesty for the offense of treason against the United States or of adhering to their enemies during the late civil war, with restoration of all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution and the laws which have been made in pursuance thereof. -ANDREW JOHNSON.

Who needs a pardons for treason? Traitors.

[Vambo]

@cccjwh said:

Who needs a pardons for treason? Democrats...

FIFY

[FY56]

@cccjwh said:

They were traitors FY. That is why they needed pardons for treason. The reason you don't consider them traitors is because you were taught to honor them. Lost Cause propaganda. 

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason"

Which words are you confused by?

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/proclamation-179-granting-full-pardon-and-amnesty-for-the-offense-treason-against-the

Now, therefore, be it known that I, Andrew Johnson President of the United States, by virtue of the power and authority in me vested by the Constitution and in the name of the sovereign people of the United States, do hereby proclaim and declare unconditionally and without reservation, to all and to every person who, directly or indirectly, participated in the late insurrection or rebellion a full pardon and amnesty for the offense of treason against the United States or of adhering to their enemies during the late civil war, with restoration of all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution and the laws which have been made in pursuance thereof. -ANDREW JOHNSON.

Who needs a pardons for treason? Traitors.

Yawn. Yes of course, Johnson's pardon, your go to.  Everyone I'm sure is aware of Johnsons pardon. 

There were a several reasons for the pardon. One being that treason would be nearly impossible to prove. Typically, pardons are granted for those already tried and convicted.  Not one confederate was ever tried or convicted of treason, which makes Johnson's "pardon" an empty one.

The Souths aim was to succeed. Succession was not illegal or unconstitutional. Unlike people like you, Southerners believed in this nation's founding and the Constitution and were not anti-American in the least. The founders did not establish an all-powerful centralized government, but a confederation of sovereign states...states that make their own laws and elect their own leaders. 

Traitors you say?

Aldrich Ames spied for the Russians, Benedict Arnold for the British. What foreign power did Lee work for?

But Senator Garrett Davis of Kentucky was quick to argue that treason, strictly speaking, was a crime involving “adherence to a foreign enemy with which the United States are at war…and that adherence to a domestic enemy was not an adherence to an enemy within the meaning of the Constitution.” It only confused matters more that the Confederacy had been accorded belligerent rights “in exchanges of prisoners and other acts,” and that concession could imply that Confederate officers had been the servants, not of treason, but of a separate, sovereign nation. [30]

As regards the secondary argument that Southern secession may have been legal, even some of the historians most hostile to Confederate heritage admit the possibility. Allen Guelzo, for example, recently conceded in his analysis of a hypothetical treason case against Robert E. Lee that the constitutional question of whether a citizen’s primary relationship was to his state, or the Union of states, was unclear:

Nowhere in the Constitution, as it was written in 1787, is the concept of citizenship actually defined. In the five places where the Constitution refers to citizenship, it speaks of citizens of the states, and citizens of the United States. But the Constitution made no effort to sort out the relationship between the two, leaving the strange sense that Americans possessed a kind of dual citizenship, in their native State . . . and in the Union.

[U]ntil the Civil War settled matters, there was a plausible vagueness in the Constitution about the loyalty owed by citizens of states and the Union, and so long as it could be argued that Lee was simply functioning within the latitude of that vagueness by following his Virginia citizenship, it would be extraordinarily difficult to persuade a civilian jury that he had knowingly committed treason.

Some argue that Confederate generals were “treasonous” since they took an oath to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States when they joined the military.  At the time before the ratification of the 14th Amendment, people were citizens of the individual states that were members of the United States.  Once a state declared itself free of the United States, the people were no longer affiliated with the United States.  The Electoral College, the Bill of Rights, the original election of the Senate and the Tenth Amendment all prove that the Constitution did not establish an all-powerful national democracy, but a confederation of sovereign states.  At the time of the Civil War, the notion of secession was still a topic of heated debate, unlike today.  Furthermore, the oath taken after the Civil War specified they swore to uphold the Constitution and the Union.  This, coupled with the 14th Amendment which was ratified after the Civil War, cleared up the ambiguity of loyalties to states versus the Union.

 

[cccjwh]

@fy56 said:

Yawn. Yes of course, Johnson's pardon, your go to.  Everyone I'm sure is aware of Johnsons pardon. 

There were a several reasons for the pardon. One being that treason would be nearly impossible to prove. Typically, pardons are granted for those already tried and convicted.  Not one confederate was ever tried or convicted of treason, which makes Johnson's "pardon" an empty one.

The Souths aim was to succeed. Succession was not illegal or unconstitutional. Unlike people like you, Southerners believed in this nation's founding and the Constitution and were not anti-American in the least. The founders did not establish an all-powerful centralized government, but a confederation of sovereign states...states that make their own laws and elect their own leaders. 

Traitors you say?

Aldrich Ames spied for the Russians, Benedict Arnold for the British. What foreign power did Lee work for?

Not every traitor was given the pardon with Johnson's Proclamation. There was an exception list where the traitors had to put in a "special application to the President". These traitors had to apply for a pardon for their treason. Over 12,000 traitors were given these pardons for treason. If they weren't traitors, why would they apply for a pardon for treason and have to take an oath? 

Do you think Senate Davis's (from a slave state btw) definition of treason overrules the definition of treason in the Constitution? Again, which words do you not understand?

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason"

Your feelings mean nothing. The feelings on authors of articles written 150+ years after the facts, means nothing. Both United State Presidents during our Civil War pardoned Confederates of treason. Again, who need pardons for treason? Traitors do. That the United States wanted to try heal the wounds caused by these slaver traitors, has no bearing on them being traitors. 

You can justify the slavers trying to succeed from our country. You can thank those groomers The Daughters of the Confederacy for your feelings on that subject.

[The Cysko Kid]

@cccjwh said:

Yeah, it's a great day for our country. No more traitors' names on our military bases. 

If abraham lincoln, ulysses grant and william t sherman didnt object im not sure a leftist internet troll carries a lot of weight. 

[Vambo]

@cccjwh said:

Not every traitor was given the pardon with Johnson's Proclamation. There was an exception list where the traitors had to put in a "special application to the President". These traitors had to apply for a pardon for their treason. Over 12,000 traitors were given these pardons for treason. If they weren't traitors, why would they apply for a pardon for treason and have to take an oath? 

Do you think Senate Davis's (from a slave state btw) definition of treason overrules the definition of treason in the Constitution? Again, which words do you not understand?

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason"

Your feelings mean nothing. The feelings on authors of articles written 150+ years after the facts, means nothing. Both United State Presidents during our Civil War pardoned Confederates of treason. Again, who need pardons for treason? Traitors do. That the United States wanted to try heal the wounds caused by these slaver traitors, has no bearing on them being traitors. 

You can justify the slavers trying to succeed from our country. You can thank those groomers The Daughters of the Confederacy for your feelings on that subject.

[cccjwh]

@the-cysko-kid said:

If abraham lincoln, ulysses grant and william t sherman didnt object im not sure a leftist internet troll carries a lot of weight. 

Pretty sure none of them were alive when they named the military bases. Really sure about Lincoln.

When the newly formed Confederacy opened fire on Fort Sumter on April 12, 1861, Grant wrote that, “There are but two parties now: traitors and patriots. And I want hereafter to be ranked with the latter.” - Ulysses S. Grant

[hammertime]

It’s pretty pathetic when someone tries so hard to look smart….

Tri-c is someone who has zero friends and is definitely a victim of abuse somewhere in his youth.

good luck with your pain.

[cccjwh]

@hammertime said:

It’s pretty pathetic when someone tries so hard to look smart….

Tri-c is someone who has zero friends and is definitely a victim of abuse somewhere in his youth.

good luck with your pain.

Cult member cannot refute claim backed up by evidence. How did they respond?

a. Meme

b. Ad hominem attack

c. Link to rightwing nutjob "source"

d. #whataboutism

e. combination of a, b, c, or d

[Vambo]

@cccjwh said:

Cult member cannot refute claim backed up by evidence. How did they respond?

a. Meme

b. Ad hominem attack

c. Link to rightwing nutjob "source"

d. #whataboutism

e. combination of a, b, c, or d

Groomer member cannot refute claim backed up by evidence. How did they respond?

a.Cry

b. Change sex

c. Link to CRT, DRAG QUEEN  nutjob "source"

d. Severe TDS

e. combination of a, b, c, or d

Your Hatred of your country. Sad.

[Vambo]