Tale of the Tape - Browns @ Ravens
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A local Cleveland radio station, 93.2 The Fan, had Hall of Fame quarterback Kurt Warner on the show as a guest. Needless to say, he did not have kind words to say about the defense the Cleveland Browns currently field under defensive coordinator Joe Woods.
Outlined by the station’s Assistant Brand Manager Keith Britton, Warner gave the following thoughts:
“When I watch them on tape, this looks like a very easy defense to attack. A lot of times they’ll play base defensive schemes…Nothing wrong with the system, structure…but I know exactly how I would attack, exploit them”God bless Kurt, much like his video breakdown with Baker Mayfield, he isn't wrong... until he contradicts himself.
Though this is just a partial quote, so context is everything. But it's a kind way of saying we suck so bad that the calls don't matter. Allow me...
- What is "base defensive schemes?" I say this because, unless you clearly construct what the opposing defenses base is, then you're painting whatever caricature of that would be into fans minds. The base call for the Browns is pretty different from the Steelers. So these types of details matter.
- The Browns "base" personnel includes 2 linebackers sub 220Lbs. One out of Notre Dame whose athletic ability was so hyped, that the talking heads said he could play safety. Meaning the Browns could stay in their 3 LB sets and not lose the athletic matchup against 11 personnel. That was the point of drafting such a player. There have also been posters on this board complaining we play too much nickel. So if that has been part of your gripe, then you can't be upset when our coaches call what you want to see.
- When Woods has attempted to mix up his fronts, there was even a blended gap call against the Falcons that involved Jordan Elliot 2 gapping, there have been individual assignment losses either along the defensive front, or at LB. This is not me exaggerating - 80% of the assignment failures up front are between Jordan Elliot, Tommy Togiai and Jacob Phillip's.
- Kurt admitting there's nothing wrong with the system structure, it's just "basic". Well no shit, Sherlock. When you have a roster that can barely execute the basics of a B gap bubble collapse in an Over front, then you're not going to be able to put any higher level work on them and expect better results. If players can't win 1 gap assignments, then what makes anyone believe they'll win playing a 2 gap role?
- This circles us back around to, "they're easy to attack". This is an admission that, when the Browns come out in our commonly used Over fronts, teams can call a simple weakside zone and get yards well above expected and blocked average.
We have the worst two IDL-men in the entire NFL, and they're both starters on the same team.
Or to put it more simply, if your big guys can line up and move my big guys, then nothing more needs to be said. You're losing at the most fundamental level in football, and nothing can be done to remedy that short of new players.
Thank God Kurt can see this as well.
- What is "base defensive schemes?" I say this because, unless you clearly construct what the opposing defenses base is, then you're painting whatever caricature of that would be into fans minds.
True. Ask 5 different fans and get 4 different answers. The gist of it though is that he thinks he could easily pick our defense apart if he were playing. And I think I heard that Woods was thinking of simplifying the defense even more.
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- What is "base defensive schemes?" I say this because, unless you clearly construct what the opposing defenses base is, then you're painting whatever caricature of that would be into fans minds.
True. Ask 5 different fans and get 4 different answers. The gist of it though is that he thinks he could easily pick our defense apart if he were playing. And I think I heard that Woods was thinking of simplifying the defense even more.
True. Ask 5 different fans and get 4 different answers. The gist of it though is that he thinks he could easily pick our defense apart if he were playing. And I think I heard that Woods was thinking of simplifying the defense even more.
I think I heard that too. They're learning his defense at the speed of park. That said, when you have 3 different kids from LSU on your defense (Delpit, Phillips, Greedy) you have keep it Summer School level. They're starting to understand the guys with different color uniforms are on offense when they take the field. Doesn't matter, as long as they're fast I'm told. About 10 years ago Dallas drafted a corner from LSU and the only thing he guessed right on the Wonderlic was his name; but I can't guarantee he spelled it correctly...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I'll take a medal for when I finally crack my eggs on the side of the skillet and not somehow get the tiniest bit of shell in the pan.
If you're able to do that, then god bless. Because you sir are some kind of warlock.
I buy only brown eggs and crack em into a white dish. Once in a while, I found out once a long time ago....the crunch can ruin breakfast immediately...
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True. Ask 5 different fans and get 4 different answers. The gist of it though is that he thinks he could easily pick our defense apart if he were playing. And I think I heard that Woods was thinking of simplifying the defense even more.
I think I heard that too. They're learning his defense at the speed of park. That said, when you have 3 different kids from LSU on your defense (Delpit, Phillips, Greedy) you have keep it Summer School level. They're starting to understand the guys with different color uniforms are on offense when they take the field. Doesn't matter, as long as they're fast I'm told. About 10 years ago Dallas drafted a corner from LSU and the only thing he guessed right on the Wonderlic was his name; but I can't guarantee he spelled it correctly...
I think I heard that too. They're learning his defense at the speed of park. That said, when you have 3 different kids from LSU on your defense (Delpit, Phillips, Greedy) you have keep it Summer School level. They're starting to understand the guys with different color uniforms are on offense when they take the field. Doesn't matter, as long as they're fast I'm told. About 10 years ago Dallas drafted a corner from LSU and the only thing he guessed right on the Wonderlic was his name; but I can't guarantee he spelled it correctly...
The 'park' part gave me a good laugh. Thanks.
Also, Mo Claiborne. I remember watching him and, there was a corner from Bama that went to the Jets, can't remember his name... I just didn't get the, Milliner... I'm remembering as I'm typing. Yeah... didn't get the hype for either. Especially when Patrick Peterson was on that same LSU squad and you could compare the two.
True. Ask 5 different fans and get 4 different answers. The gist of it though is that he thinks he could easily pick our defense apart if he were playing. And I think I heard that Woods was thinking of simplifying the defense even more.
I'm not sure how to say this, I could easily pick apart our defense if putting together a game plan. It's bad to the point I've taken bets against the Browns with confidence. I have a good idea the Ravens might finally bust out their power/trap game this weekend too. Couldn't do it against the Gmen, they have Dexter Lawrence and Williams up front. It'd be a questionable coaching job if they didn't, actually.
My interpretation when Kurt says - the structure isn't wrong (it isn't) but he can easily pick them apart (he can) is that the personnel weaknesses, more specifically them losing their assignments battles, are truly that obvious. Even to national pundits who put on a game or two at most, I don't see how it couldn't be any more clear.
It's not like we're being abused by overly complex designs either. You can go watch Iowa and one of the zone running game innovators m in Kirk Ferentz, beat that weakside zone to death this weekend against the Bucks. I highly doubt tOSU has any trouble handling it, especially with the way Hale is playing this season.
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I think I saw where Hospital Ward is out again with the concussion. I bet he's missed a quarter of his career.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
I think I saw where Hospital Ward is out again with the concussion. I bet he's missed a quarter of his career.
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I think I saw where Hospital Ward is out again with the concussion. I bet he's missed a quarter of his career.
I think I saw where Hospital Ward is out again with the concussion. I bet he's missed a quarter of his career.
I'm a big fan of nicknames and that might be the best one I've seen this year.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
The difference is... Kurt gets PAID for his analysis... YOU DON'T...
Indirectly, I make money from my Browns analysis via gambling. I've literally paid my rent this month just off the last 2 CLE games and 2 props from last nights Cardinals win alone. I'm on pace to beat last years margin by 32%.
Directly, per 3 very encouraging and seperate email conversations, two that found me referencing and linking my work posted right on this very board; The days of not making direct money off my analysis might be coming to a close before the 2022 season is over.
You'll notice the time I spent in my observations thread doing breakdowns for this board every other day has dried up. That time, knowledge and effort is being spent on this new pursuit. And I look forward to sharing it with you guys when it's ready to go.
Indirectly, I make money from my Browns analysis via gambling. I've literally paid my rent this month just off the last 2 CLE games and 2 props from last nights Cardinals win alone. I'm on pace to beat last years margin by 32%.
Directly, per 3 very encouraging and seperate email conversations, two that found me referencing and linking my work posted right on this very board; The days of not making direct money off my analysis might be coming to a close before the 2022 season is over.
You'll notice the time I spent in my observations thread doing breakdowns for this board every other day has dried up. That time, knowledge and effort is being spent on this new pursuit. And I look forward to sharing it with you guys when it's ready to go.
It's nice to see you getting paid for those efforts. Well deserved! Kick off and Kick Ass!
If you ever change your mind, I think you'd make an excellent High School Football Coach. That's not just because of your knowledge. I think you have the personality and inner chest to make it happen.
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I think I saw where Hospital Ward is out again with the concussion. I bet he's missed a quarter of his career.
I think I saw where Hospital Ward is out again with the concussion. I bet he's missed a quarter of his career.
This horse-hockey ? medical term of "better to give them the extra week off", cost teams games...
Jones said himself.. He wanted to play last week..
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
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I think I saw where Hospital Ward is out again with the concussion. I bet he's missed a quarter of his career.
This horse-hockey ? medical term of "better to give them the extra week off", cost teams games...
Jones said himself.. He wanted to play last week..
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
I just don't g⁵et the cock fighting over who is correct and who knows more.
As far as I can tell, we are all clueless fucktards, just like Browns management.
Lmao.. ? Thank me later, and your welcome
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I dont like our chances in this one. Anything can happen but i thjk the most likely outcome is lamat jackson runs and throws all over the browns defense. And also cade york misses a couple of kicks.
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
If all that analytics shit makes him happy
What I do is more in line with an old school coach watching film. Not some pen protector having nerd coming up with new metric ratings.
Either way, I appreciate that.
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You wanted a more detailed look at Travis Jones.
In his first 9 snaps vs the Gmen
- Sack
- A pressure
- Took on a cut block from the Giants LG, loses A gap integrity. Hustles, at 335lbs, back to his feet and brings down Barkley on a cutback vs a cutback in their direct snap designs.
- Shut down another direct snap in the redzone from the weakside shade.
Best guess is that he's playing a little over half the Giants snaps, no real work in the nickel and dime sets. But what work he is getting has been impactful, especially against teams like the Gmen who are trying to establish their identity in the ground game. And his lateral flow/discipline has really improved the last few weeks. The play strength is unreal, but more importantly he isn't just a big, strong kid. He's playing with eyes, pad level and leverage. Appears the Ravens hit on another big IDL mid-round.
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You wanted a more detailed look at Travis Jones.
In his first 9 snaps vs the Gmen
- Sack
- A pressure
- Took on a cut block from the Giants LG, loses A gap integrity. Hustles, at 335lbs, back to his feet and brings down Barkley on a cutback vs a cutback in their direct snap designs.
- Shut down another direct snap in the redzone from the weakside shade.
Best guess is that he's playing a little over half the Giants snaps, no real work in the nickel and dime sets. But what work he is getting has been impactful, especially against teams like the Gmen who are trying to establish their identity in the ground game. And his lateral flow/discipline has really improved the last few weeks. The play strength is unreal, but more importantly he isn't just a big, strong kid. He's playing with eyes, pad level and leverage. Appears the Ravens hit on another big IDL mid-round.
You wanted a more detailed look at Travis Jones.
In his first 9 snaps vs the Gmen
- Sack
- A pressure
- Took on a cut block from the Giants LG, loses A gap integrity. Hustles, at 335lbs, back to his feet and brings down Barkley on a cutback vs a cutback in their direct snap designs.
- Shut down another direct snap in the redzone from the weakside shade.
Best guess is that he's playing a little over half the Giants snaps, no real work in the nickel and dime sets. But what work he is getting has been impactful, especially against teams like the Gmen who are trying to establish their identity in the ground game. And his lateral flow/discipline has really improved the last few weeks. The play strength is unreal, but more importantly he isn't just a big, strong kid. He's playing with eyes, pad level and leverage. Appears the Ravens hit on another big IDL mid-round.
Thanks! As predicted, he could have helped us a lot; but or FO doesn't think IDL is important at all. Lucky for the FO, they know the well exercised pattern in Cleveland. Only the DC will get blamed for 100% of this while they get blamed for NONE of it. This is what happens In Cleveland, a significant portion of the fanbase just wants 1 or 2 heads to roll on the coaching staff and we're on our way to perfect football.
Even when Brian Daboll was here, I remembered reading fans wanted him fired. They were so certain that simply firing him and all our problems were bye bye. Here we are again. I'm not saying I think Woods has been wonderful, but attacking people with pawns up front on defense with our undersized LBers has red carpeted a lot of opponents' running games.
It always seems to be find the scapegoat and fire him. The Browns have been perfecting that art since 1999. And look at the epic progress because of it...
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You wanted a more detailed look at Travis Jones.
In his first 9 snaps vs the Gmen
- Sack
- A pressure
- Took on a cut block from the Giants LG, loses A gap integrity. Hustles, at 335lbs, back to his feet and brings down Barkley on a cutback vs a cutback in their direct snap designs.
- Shut down another direct snap in the redzone from the weakside shade.
Best guess is that he's playing a little over half the Giants snaps, no real work in the nickel and dime sets. But what work he is getting has been impactful, especially against teams like the Gmen who are trying to establish their identity in the ground game. And his lateral flow/discipline has really improved the last few weeks. The play strength is unreal, but more importantly he isn't just a big, strong kid. He's playing with eyes, pad level and leverage. Appears the Ravens hit on another big IDL mid-round.
Thanks! As predicted, he could have helped us a lot; but or FO doesn't think IDL is important at all. Lucky for the FO, they know the well exercised pattern in Cleveland. Only the DC will get blamed for 100% of this while they get blamed for NONE of it. This is what happens In Cleveland, a significant portion of the fanbase just wants 1 or 2 heads to roll on the coaching staff and we're on our way to perfect football.
Even when Brian Daboll was here, I remembered reading fans wanted him fired. They were so certain that simply firing him and all our problems were bye bye. Here we are again. I'm not saying I think Woods has been wonderful, but attacking people with pawns up front on defense with our undersized LBers has red carpeted a lot of opponents' running games.
It always seems to be find the scapegoat and fire him. The Browns have been perfecting that art since 1999. And look at the epic progress because of it...
Thanks! As predicted, he could have helped us a lot; but or FO doesn't think IDL is important at all. Lucky for the FO, they know the well exercised pattern in Cleveland. Only the DC will get blamed for 100% of this while they get blamed for NONE of it. This is what happens In Cleveland, a significant portion of the fanbase just wants 1 or 2 heads to roll on the coaching staff and we're on our way to perfect football.
Even when Brian Daboll was here, I remembered reading fans wanted him fired. They were so certain that simply firing him and all our problems were bye bye. Here we are again. I'm not saying I think Woods has been wonderful, but attacking people with pawns up front on defense with our undersized LBers has red carpeted a lot of opponents' running games.
It always seems to be find the scapegoat and fire him. The Browns have been perfecting that art since 1999. And look at the epic progress because of it...
Again Tom... He's been here 3 motherfucking years... There's been 0 improvement whatsoever!.. Yes the players bear responsibility... Joe Woods and KS bear the responsibility of motivating and getting them to execute... Neither is happening Tom... It's not like the Browns are devoid of talent... There has been Z E R O improvement or evolution of this defense... When nothing improves... You have no choice but to make a change somewhere... This Defense has the same exact problems it had 3 fucking seasons ago... They can't cover... They can't tackle... And they certainly can't communicate.. And STILL can't stop the run to save it's collective soul!...Now if you at your job had 0 production the last 3 years... Do you honestly believe you deserve to stay? I don't..
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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