The official Terry Pluto thread
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Maybe Ryan Reynolds and that dude from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia can buy the Browns.
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Oh he's lost the locker room. They quit and it's obvious. This isn't going to get better btw. This is going to slide so much further that it will be impossible to keep our coach. Losing those early games not only ruined our season it impacted our future.
The thing that has impacted the present AND the future is our dipshit owner trading numerous picks for a guy who most likely wasn’t going to play this year
Even if he does play, they will be so far out of contention it won’t matter
The ONLY saving grace is if by some miracle they win the next 2 games. And that sure does seem very very very unlikely
The ONLY saving grace is if by some miracle they win the next 2 games. And that sure does seem very very very unlikely
I know, you're right. I'm just so overly negative right now that I can't even BEGIN to see how we win. Honestly, I'm thinking we might lose by 30. I know Baltimore has been stepping on their Johnson at the end of games, but let's face it, we're one of the worst covering defenses AND rushing defenses against a former mvp. Yikes.
The only way we win is if we get the "magical game" where we get the fumble that rolls to us for a defensive TD, Baltimore muffs a punt, they drop some passes, and whatever else. We need the game where everything goes our way. I just wouldn't bet on it.
This season was over when they didn't trade for Garoppolo. We knew how bad it was going to be, we knew the suspension was 11 games, and we didn't change a thing. Bailey Zappe torched us btw. At home, when we needed it.
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We all knew he would be out for an extended period of time. So, they knew it too. Therefore, this trade was not made with this year in mind. We were always going to have to get through this season.
The problem is so much of what is wrong with this team has zero to do about the QB posiiton.
Watson isn't fixing this godawful defense and special teams.
The problem is so much of what is wrong with this team has zero to do about the QB posiiton.
Watson isn't fixing this godawful defense and special teams.
Cleveland fans and Cleveland media have a tendency to over rate everything by about 10 times. Beginning of the Season everybody is back everybody is healthy best team in the history of the NFL on paper. Napoleon and snowball had driven off farmer jones. That euphoria didn't last long. Now Watson is seen as the great savior and will come in off of his 2-year vacation throw for 10 touchdowns a game and run for another 10..
Hopefully he's stayed away from the houses of ill repute during his leave of absence.
WSS
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The problem is so much of what is wrong with this team has zero to do about the QB posiiton.
Watson isn't fixing this godawful defense and special teams.
Cleveland fans and Cleveland media have a tendency to over rate everything by about 10 times. Beginning of the Season everybody is back everybody is healthy best team in the history of the NFL on paper. Napoleon and snowball had driven off farmer jones. That euphoria didn't last long. Now Watson is seen as the great savior and will come in off of his 2-year vacation throw for 10 touchdowns a game and run for another 10..
Hopefully he's stayed away from the houses of ill repute during his leave of absence.
WSS
Hopefully he's stayed away from the houses of ill repute during his leave of absence.
Ironic how they punish a young man for behavior that needs to change...and then ban him from being with the team and in the facility, sending him out on his own. - That'll teach him!
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Hopefully he's stayed away from the houses of ill repute during his leave of absence.
Ironic how they punish a young man for behavior that needs to change...and then ban him from being with the team and in the facility, sending him out on his own. - That'll teach him!
Ironic how they punish a young man for behavior that needs to change...and then ban him from being with the team and in the facility, sending him out on his own. - That'll teach him!
One would hope that idiot Haslem has some pretty serious handlers following the SOB around. Because you know there's some chicks out there just willing to bite that hook/take umbrage at his tactics. At a sports reporter ready and willing to tell the story.
I doubt any of his teammates think he needs to change his behavior, just not get caught.
WSS
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Ironic how they punish a young man for behavior that needs to change...and then ban him from being with the team and in the facility, sending him out on his own. - That'll teach him!
One would hope that idiot Haslem has some pretty serious handlers following the SOB around. Because you know there's some chicks out there just willing to bite that hook/take umbrage at his tactics. At a sports reporter ready and willing to tell the story.
I doubt any of his teammates think he needs to change his behavior, just not get caught.
WSS
One would hope that idiot Haslem has some pretty serious handlers following the SOB around. Because you know there's some chicks out there just willing to bite that hook/take umbrage at his tactics. At a sports reporter ready and willing to tell the story.
I doubt any of his teammates think he needs to change his behavior, just not get caught.
WSS
Before I run out of free articles... If you want to sue me, don't hide behind Jane Doe....
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One would hope that idiot Haslem has some pretty serious handlers following the SOB around. Because you know there's some chicks out there just willing to bite that hook/take umbrage at his tactics. At a sports reporter ready and willing to tell the story.
I doubt any of his teammates think he needs to change his behavior, just not get caught.
WSS
Before I run out of free articles... If you want to sue me, don't hide behind Jane Doe....
Before I run out of free articles... If you want to sue me, don't hide behind Jane Doe....
Yes I'm out of freebies too. Haha.
But that kind of gold digging and opportunism is to be expected in cases like these which really sucks meaning that if anybody was actually harmed they get thrown in the same pot.
Doesn't take away the creepiness Factor though.
WSS
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Maybe Ryan Reynolds and that dude from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia can buy the Browns.
Maybe Ryan Reynolds and that dude from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia can buy the Browns.
I was thinking the Schottensteins... They have the $$ to make it happen
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The thing that has impacted the present AND the future is our dipshit owner trading numerous picks for a guy who most likely wasn’t going to play this year
We all knew he would be out for an extended period of time. So, they knew it too. Therefore, this trade was not made with this year in mind. We were always going to have to get through this season.
We all knew he would be out for an extended period of time. So, they knew it too. Therefore, this trade was not made with this year in mind. We were always going to have to get through this season
This. This is what we have to remember. This is what I'm hoping keeps our coach. I want everyone to think about our offense with Watson. That seems like almost impossible to stop, and next year we're GOING to have a legit deep threat. We just have to keep it together until then. Please Jimmy, don't fire the coach. Everyone else can piss off, but not our coach. We've almost got it set up perfectly on offense. This season was doomed when the suspension went to 11 games and we didn't go after Garoppolo.
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We all knew he would be out for an extended period of time. So, they knew it too. Therefore, this trade was not made with this year in mind. We were always going to have to get through this season
This. This is what we have to remember. This is what I'm hoping keeps our coach. I want everyone to think about our offense with Watson. That seems like almost impossible to stop, and next year we're GOING to have a legit deep threat. We just have to keep it together until then. Please Jimmy, don't fire the coach. Everyone else can piss off, but not our coach. We've almost got it set up perfectly on offense. This season was doomed when the suspension went to 11 games and we didn't go after Garoppolo.
This. This is what we have to remember. This is what I'm hoping keeps our coach. I want everyone to think about our offense with Watson. That seems like almost impossible to stop, and next year we're GOING to have a legit deep threat. We just have to keep it together until then. Please Jimmy, don't fire the coach. Everyone else can piss off, but not our coach. We've almost got it set up perfectly on offense. This season was doomed when the suspension went to 11 games and we didn't go after Garoppolo.
Imagine having clinched the division with Jimmy G by the time Watson serves his suspension.
Or better still just for the baker haters upgrading the position without breaking the bank and making a deal for a a quarterback who wasn't a scumbag? If the surrounding cast was as flawless as some of the suckers thought preseason how would Russell Wilson look today? Or Jimmy Garoppolo with a three-year deal?
WSS
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This. This is what we have to remember. This is what I'm hoping keeps our coach. I want everyone to think about our offense with Watson. That seems like almost impossible to stop, and next year we're GOING to have a legit deep threat. We just have to keep it together until then. Please Jimmy, don't fire the coach. Everyone else can piss off, but not our coach. We've almost got it set up perfectly on offense. This season was doomed when the suspension went to 11 games and we didn't go after Garoppolo.
Imagine having clinched the division with Jimmy G by the time Watson serves his suspension.
Or better still just for the baker haters upgrading the position without breaking the bank and making a deal for a a quarterback who wasn't a scumbag? If the surrounding cast was as flawless as some of the suckers thought preseason how would Russell Wilson look today? Or Jimmy Garoppolo with a three-year deal?
WSS
Imagine having clinched the division with Jimmy G by the time Watson serves his suspension.
Or better still just for the baker haters upgrading the position without breaking the bank and making a deal for a a quarterback who wasn't a scumbag? If the surrounding cast was as flawless as some of the suckers thought preseason how would Russell Wilson look today? Or Jimmy Garoppolo with a three-year deal?
WSS
Honestly, a one year deal with Garoppolo would have been enough I think. Even if we signed him to multi year deal and traded him to a QB starved team next year. I just didn't understand why we didn't do it. It felt like we gave up on the season.
To be TOTALLY fair, nobody in or outside the organization had ANY clue our defense would be THIS atrocious. Think about it. We actually believed our defense would be top ten or better, and with that logic, we would literally be 4-2 or at worst 3-3. Heck, everyone thought we'd be winning 19-16 games, and our offense hasn't been the issue! The main difference Garoppolo would bring would be hitting the explosive plays and finishing games. Brissett simply cannot score with the intermediate to long ball, and he totally crumbles at the end of games.
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Jimmy G would have fixed the defense and special teams?
This offense is scoring about 25 points a game.
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Jimmy G would have fixed the defense and special teams?
This offense is scoring about 25 points a game.
Jimmy G would have fixed the defense and special teams?
This offense is scoring about 25 points a game.
No, of course not. That's why I believe he'd be able to hit some of the many missed explosive passes and I don't believe he'd crumble at the end of games and throw an interception during every potential game winning drive. For example, I think JG hits Njoku in STRIDE last week for a deep td. Plays like that. I think he sees Schwartz EASILY and hits him. Of course there's absolutely no way to know any of this, it's simply how I feel.
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Jimmy G would have fixed the defense and special teams?
This offense is scoring about 25 points a game.
No, of course not. That's why I believe he'd be able to hit some of the many missed explosive passes and I don't believe he'd crumble at the end of games and throw an interception during every potential game winning drive. For example, I think JG hits Njoku in STRIDE last week for a deep td. Plays like that. I think he sees Schwartz EASILY and hits him. Of course there's absolutely no way to know any of this, it's simply how I feel.
No, of course not. That's why I believe he'd be able to hit some of the many missed explosive passes and I don't believe he'd crumble at the end of games and throw an interception during every potential game winning drive. For example, I think JG hits Njoku in STRIDE last week for a deep td. Plays like that. I think he sees Schwartz EASILY and hits him. Of course there's absolutely no way to know any of this, it's simply how I feel.
Maybe, perhaps.
But there's a reason the 49ers were planning on moving from him too. (But he is an improvement over Brissett)
But the reason the Browns aren't 4-2 or better is the defense and special teams are playing poorly. If they were playing at the level they played at down the stretch last season, this wouldn't even be a discussion.
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No, of course not. That's why I believe he'd be able to hit some of the many missed explosive passes and I don't believe he'd crumble at the end of games and throw an interception during every potential game winning drive. For example, I think JG hits Njoku in STRIDE last week for a deep td. Plays like that. I think he sees Schwartz EASILY and hits him. Of course there's absolutely no way to know any of this, it's simply how I feel.
Maybe, perhaps.
But there's a reason the 49ers were planning on moving from him too. (But he is an improvement over Brissett)
But the reason the Browns aren't 4-2 or better is the defense and special teams are playing poorly. If they were playing at the level they played at down the stretch last season, this wouldn't even be a discussion.
Maybe, perhaps.
But there's a reason the 49ers were planning on moving from him too. (But he is an improvement over Brissett)
But the reason the Browns aren't 4-2 or better is the defense and special teams are playing poorly. If they were playing at the level they played at down the stretch last season, this wouldn't even be a discussion.
To your first point that's true and there's a reason that they decided not to. And if Mayfield was the only problem and you guys say Brissett is an upgrade and that Jimmy G is an upgrade over Brissette we should be on our way to the playoffs and Beyond. And looking forward to turning the team into a dynasty with the extra money we saved and the three first Rod picks we burned.
But at this point, after the damage has been done, if anybody has got the Rose Colored Glasses anticipating the return of the mighty mighty Watson...
And this is a little bit off the subject but I'm just about tired of hearing the coach accept responsibility for the failures.
WSS
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Maybe, perhaps.
But there's a reason the 49ers were planning on moving from him too. (But he is an improvement over Brissett)
But the reason the Browns aren't 4-2 or better is the defense and special teams are playing poorly. If they were playing at the level they played at down the stretch last season, this wouldn't even be a discussion.
To your first point that's true and there's a reason that they decided not to. And if Mayfield was the only problem and you guys say Brissett is an upgrade and that Jimmy G is an upgrade over Brissette we should be on our way to the playoffs and Beyond. And looking forward to turning the team into a dynasty with the extra money we saved and the three first Rod picks we burned.
But at this point, after the damage has been done, if anybody has got the Rose Colored Glasses anticipating the return of the mighty mighty Watson...
And this is a little bit off the subject but I'm just about tired of hearing the coach accept responsibility for the failures.
WSS
To your first point that's true and there's a reason that they decided not to. And if Mayfield was the only problem and you guys say reset is an upgrade and that Jimmy G is an upgrade over Brissette...
But at this point, after the damage has been done, if anybody has got the Rose Colored Glasses anticipating the return of the mighty mighty Watson...
And this is a little bit off the subject but I'm just about tired of hearing the coach accept responsibility for the failures.
WSS
Didn’t Hue keep saying “I have to look at the tape”?
And that got his dumb head firefd
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Imagine having clinched the division with Jimmy G by the time Watson serves his suspension.
Or better still just for the baker haters upgrading the position without breaking the bank and making a deal for a a quarterback who wasn't a scumbag? If the surrounding cast was as flawless as some of the suckers thought preseason how would Russell Wilson look today? Or Jimmy Garoppolo with a three-year deal?
WSS
Honestly, a one year deal with Garoppolo would have been enough I think. Even if we signed him to multi year deal and traded him to a QB starved team next year. I just didn't understand why we didn't do it. It felt like we gave up on the season.
To be TOTALLY fair, nobody in or outside the organization had ANY clue our defense would be THIS atrocious. Think about it. We actually believed our defense would be top ten or better, and with that logic, we would literally be 4-2 or at worst 3-3. Heck, everyone thought we'd be winning 19-16 games, and our offense hasn't been the issue! The main difference Garoppolo would bring would be hitting the explosive plays and finishing games. Brissett simply cannot score with the intermediate to long ball, and he totally crumbles at the end of games.
To be TOTALLY fair, nobody in or outside the organization had ANY clue our defense would be THIS atrocious.
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Only the future success of the team and the whim of Jimmy and Dee make any difference. Maybe a slight bit from whoever happens to have their ear at the present time which is pretty fluid. I don't see him getting shit canned this season no matter what happens. Next season? There are actually Four Aces in the deck so I guess hitting a 20 could possibly work but if it doesn't will the player admit it was a risky call? To paraphrase Bruce Drennan all bets are off. I doubt the haslams will ever admit that they fucked anything up so if we don't go to the Super Bowl next season the next scapegoat will be stefanski.
WSS
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Neither of those guys is going anywhere. Watson has the most upside. If we get fucked at least our assholes are used to it.
Well that's true. The mistake in my opinion is that the quarterback was the problem and or the solution. We aren't losing games because of Jacoby Brissett. On the other hand Tom Brady isn't a great quarterback because he's super powerful. And there's nothing to lead me to believe that DeShaun Watson is anything but. But Browns fans, like all fans, have a tendency to lionize and demonize individuals. Garrett and Clowney still part of one of the worst defensive units in the league.
On the other hand I was listening to Tony Grossi yesterday he seems to believe that the team just doesn't give a shit. Will the return of Watson change that?
WSS
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