Tale of the Tape - Browns @ Dolphins
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What struck me most about this game, is how terrible our O-line looked. Apparently they stacked the box the majority of plays, and that's all it takes to nullify our offense. Not just rushing, but passing too. Then just run it up the gut when you get the ball, and you have a foolproof game plan against us. Sure that is personell related in part, but the coaching seems to make things worse, rather than better.
Or, how much a DT like Christian Wilkins can dominate the line of scrimmage to eliminate an elite running game. He did that for Clemson when they won a National Championship. I wish our FO valued that position too. On top of that, can you get a better matchup for your defense than Bradley Chubb on a disinterested Jedrick Wills? That was pitiful. This investment our FO made will be responsible for the blind side of our 230 million $ QB.
I'm not going to complain about the rest of our OL too much; because they've been pretty consistent at working well together this year (despite working around injuries). I will say, we just witnessed the difference between a playoff team and a team looking for a pulse...
Or, how much a DT like Christian Wilkins can dominate the line of scrimmage to eliminate an elite running game. He did that for Clemson when they won a National Championship. I wish our FO valued that position too. On top of that, can you get a better matchup for your defense than Bradley Chubb on a disinterested Jedrick Wills? That was pitiful. This investment our FO made will be responsible for the blind side of our 230 million $ QB.
I'm not going to complain about the rest of our OL too much; because they've been pretty consistent at working well together this year (despite working around injuries). I will say, we just witnessed the difference between a playoff team and a team looking for a pulse...
Wilkins and Raekwon Davis both dominated the interior of the Browns rush attempts. Sure would love to see Jordan Davis in the middle of the Browns' dline to do the same things.
"Defensive tackles - Did anybody up the middle ever make a stop? In reviewing some plays, every single DT for the Browns was manhandled and moved out of harm’s way. Seriously. A great example was with 4:39 left in the second quarter. Off the snap, Tommy Toigai was engaged and moved aside by LG Robert Hunt. Jordan Elliott had no answer for being pushed by RG Robert Jones. The center Connor Williams took out MLB Deion Jones and suddenly this alleyway formed reminisce of the Israelites fleeing the Pharaoh. Wilson popped off a 13-yard run before the secondary had to make yet another tackle. Taven Bryan and Roderick Perry must have graduated from the same “let’s be blocked out of the way” camp because holes were created up the gut all day."
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Wow. Anyone have any thoughts about this?
Wow. Anyone have any thoughts about this?
It's not meant to be cryptic like most want to believe.
So because the meaning is "open ended", fans will ascribe their own take to Myles' words.
If you don't like Joe Woods, then in their minds it'll be about him.
If you don't like Stef, then in their minds it'll be about him.
Pretty easy to gauge how your question will be answered.
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Again, the owner isn't up for trade.
Unfortunately, this is true. However, that doesn't change the biggest problem - it only makes it worse.
You committed 2 threads this week to DePodesta being the biggest problem before you went right back to all we have to do is fire Stefanski. Who hired BOTH guys? The owner. The owner hired both of those decisions you've complained about this week.
And if you go back to the timeline of hires, do you know what else he did? He hired the Head Coach (Stefanski) 2 weeks before he hired his GM/FO guy (Andrew Berry). Isn't it usually advisable to have your FO guy sitting in on the Head Coach interviews so you can make sure you are hiring a compatible philosophy? Stefanski was DePodesta's guy not Berry's, which has me wondering if there's another Civil War brewing in the FO of Haslam's business like it did when Dorsey concluded Haslam's business plan putting DePodesta on a pedestal is a dumpster fire with no end in sight.
In the meantime, if firing the symptoms of this problem is all our fans want to see - Haslam loves doing that. He'll get the scent off the real problem by giving the scapegoat the walking papers. Practice makes perfect with that. It'll even generate some temporary excitement before we learn that an upgrade wasn't hired or, like Runyan said, wasn't given enough time to succeed/be that upgrade. Am I right or wrong with what has happened every single time under Haslam's rule here? Aren't you usually the very 1st guy protesting the choice of Head Coach the Browns just hired? That's Haslam you're protesting each and every time even if it isn't convenient to this conversation right now.
You're right though - we can't trade or fire the owner. But we CAN stop blaming everybody but Haslam for where this franchise is today.
Unfortunately, this is true. However, that doesn't change the biggest problem - it only makes it worse.
You committed 2 threads this week to DePodesta being the biggest problem before you went right back to all we have to do is fire Stefanski. Who hired BOTH guys? The owner. The owner hired both of those decisions you've complained about this week.
And if you go back to the timeline of hires, do you know what else he did? He hired the Head Coach (Stefanski) 2 weeks before he hired his GM/FO guy (Andrew Berry). Isn't it usually advisable to have your FO guy sitting in on the Head Coach interviews so you can make sure you are hiring a compatible philosophy? Stefanski was DePodesta's guy not Berry's, which has me wondering if there's another Civil War brewing in the FO of Haslam's business like it did when Dorsey concluded Haslam's business plan putting DePodesta on a pedestal is a dumpster fire with no end in sight.
In the meantime, if firing the symptoms of this problem is all our fans want to see - Haslam loves doing that. He'll get the scent off the real problem by giving the scapegoat the walking papers. Practice makes perfect with that. It'll even generate some temporary excitement before we learn that an upgrade wasn't hired or, like Runyan said, wasn't given enough time to succeed/be that upgrade. Am I right or wrong with what has happened every single time under Haslam's rule here? Aren't you usually the very 1st guy protesting the choice of Head Coach the Browns just hired? That's Haslam you're protesting each and every time even if it isn't convenient to this conversation right now.
You're right though - we can't trade or fire the owner. But we CAN stop blaming everybody but Haslam for where this franchise is today.
So your plan is to just keep everybody and keep sucking?... Hell no man... All these bastards have to go... Owner included... They can take this shit show and dump it in Lake Fucking Erie!. Do you honestly think DW is gonna bail these idiots out?... So were gonna keep everybody just to find out we still suck next season? Thats no way to run a business with any long term continuity you might wish to imagine..... So... no draft picks, A QB who sat on his dupa for 2 years is gonna fix this shit?... You're dreaming dude!!.. This shitass team needs an overhaul in the worst way... And you want to stick with these bozos?... I want whatever drugs your on bro... LOL...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Unfortunately, this is true. However, that doesn't change the biggest problem - it only makes it worse.
You committed 2 threads this week to DePodesta being the biggest problem before you went right back to all we have to do is fire Stefanski. Who hired BOTH guys? The owner. The owner hired both of those decisions you've complained about this week.
And if you go back to the timeline of hires, do you know what else he did? He hired the Head Coach (Stefanski) 2 weeks before he hired his GM/FO guy (Andrew Berry). Isn't it usually advisable to have your FO guy sitting in on the Head Coach interviews so you can make sure you are hiring a compatible philosophy? Stefanski was DePodesta's guy not Berry's, which has me wondering if there's another Civil War brewing in the FO of Haslam's business like it did when Dorsey concluded Haslam's business plan putting DePodesta on a pedestal is a dumpster fire with no end in sight.
In the meantime, if firing the symptoms of this problem is all our fans want to see - Haslam loves doing that. He'll get the scent off the real problem by giving the scapegoat the walking papers. Practice makes perfect with that. It'll even generate some temporary excitement before we learn that an upgrade wasn't hired or, like Runyan said, wasn't given enough time to succeed/be that upgrade. Am I right or wrong with what has happened every single time under Haslam's rule here? Aren't you usually the very 1st guy protesting the choice of Head Coach the Browns just hired? That's Haslam you're protesting each and every time even if it isn't convenient to this conversation right now.
You're right though - we can't trade or fire the owner. But we CAN stop blaming everybody but Haslam for where this franchise is today.
So your plan is to just keep everybody and keep sucking?... Hell no man... All these bastards have to go... Owner included... They can take this shit show and dump it in Lake Fucking Erie!. Do you honestly think DW is gonna bail these idiots out?... So were gonna keep everybody just to find out we still suck next season? Thats no way to run a business with any long term continuity you might wish to imagine..... So... no draft picks, A QB who sat on his dupa for 2 years is gonna fix this shit?... You're dreaming dude!!.. This shitass team needs an overhaul in the worst way... And you want to stick with these bozos?... I want whatever drugs your on bro... LOL...
So your plan is to just keep everybody and keep sucking?... Hell no man... All these bastards have to go... Owner included...
Does it look like I want to keep seeing this team suck? Believe it or not, I can work with some of your points Nicks.
If we could get rid of the owner first and foremost; then I'd be in favor of firing all bad coaches and FO people. And why? Because hiring upgrades would finally be possible.
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Dolphins opening drive scripts as follows.
101 - 7 step drop off 14 Fake from single back. 2 man switch/scissor with the HB on a delay flat.
102 - 23 Split zone from gun
103 - 18 toss off misdirection/ghost from Tyreek
104 - HB Swing from motion with a two man hitch/settle in front of it. Just another extension of the running game
105 - X reduced split, out at the sticks. Denzel stopped it short. First quick throw of the opening play script
106 - 12 dive on 4th and short
107 - 28 outside zone fake, 5 step drop on a middle field read. Vertical, read, vertical. 3 man pattern
108 - 22 power off a motion from the F to kick out the strongside edge
109 - 2 back on a split zone for another 11 yards
110 - Strong side RPO off a split zone look. Tua just takes his little check flat and the H turns it upfield for a TD. 3 man pattern
So that's
- PA vertical, run, run, run extension, short throw, run, PA vertical, run, run, PA check down.
75% of the opening script throws were off 7 man protection from play action.
My quote - " So, will MIA stay true to what they are? I'd like to think so, at least in a more stubborn approach. So I'd expect heavy play action and a great deal of 2/3 man concepts from them. Our backers and DB's still have to respect their running game because, even though we had a decent week against CIN, we're still weak IDL. Would be wise for the Dolphins to come out and show hands - bluff run, then ball action, ball action, ball action"
MIA coaching staff might as well have been in discord with me. Their opening play call sequence went almost exactly as I typed out. And we've taken another bottom 10 ranked running game and bumped it up a few notches. There's only so much these coaches can do, and that's the truth. Also I see why Taki can't wear the green dot, he gets too lost in the action in front of him and lets bodies cross his face he is responsible for picking up.
edit: The Fins split zone RPO game is exactly the wrinkle I'm expecting Stef and the coaching staff to involve next season. It's something Houston ran with Watson and it was effective. McDaniels has taken those same concepts to Miami and made them work a treat with Tua as well. Who, by the way, despite looking 'reborn' this season, still has some moments where I question his viability as a franchise QB.
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Unfortunately, this is true. However, that doesn't change the biggest problem - it only makes it worse.
You committed 2 threads this week to DePodesta being the biggest problem before you went right back to all we have to do is fire Stefanski. Who hired BOTH guys? The owner. The owner hired both of those decisions you've complained about this week.
And if you go back to the timeline of hires, do you know what else he did? He hired the Head Coach (Stefanski) 2 weeks before he hired his GM/FO guy (Andrew Berry). Isn't it usually advisable to have your FO guy sitting in on the Head Coach interviews so you can make sure you are hiring a compatible philosophy? Stefanski was DePodesta's guy not Berry's, which has me wondering if there's another Civil War brewing in the FO of Haslam's business like it did when Dorsey concluded Haslam's business plan putting DePodesta on a pedestal is a dumpster fire with no end in sight.
In the meantime, if firing the symptoms of this problem is all our fans want to see - Haslam loves doing that. He'll get the scent off the real problem by giving the scapegoat the walking papers. Practice makes perfect with that. It'll even generate some temporary excitement before we learn that an upgrade wasn't hired or, like Runyan said, wasn't given enough time to succeed/be that upgrade. Am I right or wrong with what has happened every single time under Haslam's rule here? Aren't you usually the very 1st guy protesting the choice of Head Coach the Browns just hired? That's Haslam you're protesting each and every time even if it isn't convenient to this conversation right now.
You're right though - we can't trade or fire the owner. But we CAN stop blaming everybody but Haslam for where this franchise is today.
So your plan is to just keep everybody and keep sucking?... Hell no man... All these bastards have to go... Owner included... They can take this shit show and dump it in Lake Fucking Erie!. Do you honestly think DW is gonna bail these idiots out?... So were gonna keep everybody just to find out we still suck next season? Thats no way to run a business with any long term continuity you might wish to imagine..... So... no draft picks, A QB who sat on his dupa for 2 years is gonna fix this shit?... You're dreaming dude!!.. This shitass team needs an overhaul in the worst way... And you want to stick with these bozos?... I want whatever drugs your on bro... LOL...
So were gonna keep everybody just to find out we still suck next season? Thats no way to run a business with any long term continuity
We're losing sight of 'The Plan'.
A little over a year ago, the organization decided that they had to upgrade the QB in order to win a championship. And a supposed 'elite' QB was coming available.....but he might have to serve a suspension that could be lengthy enough to thwart the QB position for the '22 season. They decided that they wanted to go the Rams' route and get a proven NFL star QB over trading up in the draft for a '22 or '23 draft pick crap shoot again.
THAT'S THE DEAL HERE - It was never about the '22 season. Their franchise QB was bought for the '23 season. The organization wasn't going to give up on the '22 season...they would try to find the 'best fit' QB for the task of placeholder...and perhaps even have a decent season culminating in Watson getting on the field in the latter part of the season and getting used to his new offense....and maybe even backing into the playoffs. - Funny thing was though, the placeholder QB did a pretty nice job. Kept the int's to a minimum...........Unfortunately, the defense turned out to be performing worse than expected, such that the '22 season playoffs ain't happenin'.
I'm pretty sure that this gang gets the '23 season to show what they can do with the new franchise QB. That doesn't mean that Woods and/or Preifer doesn't get fired however. Of course, between now and then, Berry has got some work to do with the defense...right up the middle......
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So were gonna keep everybody just to find out we still suck next season? Thats no way to run a business with any long term continuity
We're losing sight of 'The Plan'.
A little over a year ago, the organization decided that they had to upgrade the QB in order to win a championship. And a supposed 'elite' QB was coming available.....but he might have to serve a suspension that could be lengthy enough to thwart the QB position for the '22 season. They decided that they wanted to go the Rams' route and get a proven NFL star QB over trading up in the draft for a '22 or '23 draft pick crap shoot again.
THAT'S THE DEAL HERE - It was never about the '22 season. Their franchise QB was bought for the '23 season. The organization wasn't going to give up on the '22 season...they would try to find the 'best fit' QB for the task of placeholder...and perhaps even have a decent season culminating in Watson getting on the field in the latter part of the season and getting used to his new offense....and maybe even backing into the playoffs. - Funny thing was though, the placeholder QB did a pretty nice job. Kept the int's to a minimum...........Unfortunately, the defense turned out to be performing worse than expected, such that the '22 season playoffs ain't happenin'.
I'm pretty sure that this gang gets the '23 season to show what they can do with the new franchise QB. That doesn't mean that Woods and/or Preifer doesn't get fired however. Of course, between now and then, Berry has got some work to do with the defense...right up the middle......
We're losing sight of 'The Plan'.
A little over a year ago, the organization decided that they had to upgrade the QB in order to win a championship. And a supposed 'elite' QB was coming available.....but he might have to serve a suspension that could be lengthy enough to thwart the QB position for the '22 season. They decided that they wanted to go the Rams' route and get a proven NFL star QB over trading up in the draft for a '22 or '23 draft pick crap shoot again.
THAT'S THE DEAL HERE - It was never about the '22 season. Their franchise QB was bought for the '23 season. The organization wasn't going to give up on the '22 season...they would try to find the 'best fit' QB for the task of placeholder...and perhaps even have a decent season culminating in Watson getting on the field in the latter part of the season and getting used to his new offense....and maybe even backing into the playoffs. - Funny thing was though, the placeholder QB did a pretty nice job. Kept the int's to a minimum...........Unfortunately, the defense turned out to be performing worse than expected, such that the '22 season playoffs ain't happenin'.
I'm pretty sure that this gang gets the '23 season to show what they can do with the new franchise QB. That doesn't mean that Woods and/or Preifer doesn't get fired however. Of course, between now and then, Berry has got some work to do with the defense...right up the middle......
Sorry dude but this defense isn't gonna be magically fixed in one off season... We need bigger,faster LBer's... We need a secondary that does not spend half its time on IR.. we need an interior D line that does not get manhandled by scrub players.. And a DC who isn't namby pamby passive like this ass hat is...And lastly... A guy who sat on his Dupa the last couple of years is not gonna save this shit...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
We're losing sight of 'The Plan'.
A little over a year ago, the organization decided that they had to upgrade the QB in order to win a championship. And a supposed 'elite' QB was coming available.....but he might have to serve a suspension that could be lengthy enough to thwart the QB position for the '22 season. They decided that they wanted to go the Rams' route and get a proven NFL star QB over trading up in the draft for a '22 or '23 draft pick crap shoot again.
THAT'S THE DEAL HERE - It was never about the '22 season. Their franchise QB was bought for the '23 season. The organization wasn't going to give up on the '22 season...they would try to find the 'best fit' QB for the task of placeholder...and perhaps even have a decent season culminating in Watson getting on the field in the latter part of the season and getting used to his new offense....and maybe even backing into the playoffs. - Funny thing was though, the placeholder QB did a pretty nice job. Kept the int's to a minimum...........Unfortunately, the defense turned out to be performing worse than expected, such that the '22 season playoffs ain't happenin'.
I'm pretty sure that this gang gets the '23 season to show what they can do with the new franchise QB. That doesn't mean that Woods and/or Preifer doesn't get fired however. Of course, between now and then, Berry has got some work to do with the defense...right up the middle......
Sorry dude but this defense isn't gonna be magically fixed in one off season... We need bigger,faster LBer's... We need a secondary that does not spend half its time on IR.. we need an interior D line that does not get manhandled by scrub players.. And a DC who isn't namby pamby passive like this ass hat is...And lastly... A guy who sat on his Dupa the last couple of years is not gonna save this shit...
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We're losing sight of 'The Plan'.
A little over a year ago, the organization decided that they had to upgrade the QB in order to win a championship. And a supposed 'elite' QB was coming available.....but he might have to serve a suspension that could be lengthy enough to thwart the QB position for the '22 season. They decided that they wanted to go the Rams' route and get a proven NFL star QB over trading up in the draft for a '22 or '23 draft pick crap shoot again.
THAT'S THE DEAL HERE - It was never about the '22 season. Their franchise QB was bought for the '23 season. The organization wasn't going to give up on the '22 season...they would try to find the 'best fit' QB for the task of placeholder...and perhaps even have a decent season culminating in Watson getting on the field in the latter part of the season and getting used to his new offense....and maybe even backing into the playoffs. - Funny thing was though, the placeholder QB did a pretty nice job. Kept the int's to a minimum...........Unfortunately, the defense turned out to be performing worse than expected, such that the '22 season playoffs ain't happenin'.
I'm pretty sure that this gang gets the '23 season to show what they can do with the new franchise QB. That doesn't mean that Woods and/or Preifer doesn't get fired however. Of course, between now and then, Berry has got some work to do with the defense...right up the middle......
Sorry dude but this defense isn't gonna be magically fixed in one off season... We need bigger,faster LBer's... We need a secondary that does not spend half its time on IR.. we need an interior D line that does not get manhandled by scrub players.. And a DC who isn't namby pamby passive like this ass hat is...And lastly... A guy who sat on his Dupa the last couple of years is not gonna save this shit...
We need bigger,faster LBer's
It's hard to find the two traits in one guy.
We noticed this right off the bat with their drafting of Tony Fields and JOK. They were targeting speed at LB'er. Catering to the NFL as a passing league. Some of us were mildly concerned whether we would be able to stop the run well enough. Now, with our neglected interior DLine being exposed as swinging gates, the LB'ers are having trouble with blockers coming at them. And it's horrendous when Clowney is out.
JOK has been out of late and Anthony Walker was/is a major loss to the run D.
Now, I said that the IDL was neglected...which is technically not true. They drafted the guys that are starting. And the theory was that THIS was going to be their year to show their value. And it has. They're backups. - Back to the drawing board.
....I'm going to add Tia's guy Winfrey here. Berry just drafted him. I haven't liked him since held out on signing his contract. Everybody else signed relatively quickly. But not him. And he's a 4th rounder. I don't like that attitude from a guy who's never played a down in the NFL. He was a healthy scratch again and one of the guys on The Fan radio said that it was disciplinary. The dope! And we needed him to be a good addition to the IDL!
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We need bigger,faster LBer's
It's hard to find the two traits in one guy.
We noticed this right off the bat with their drafting of Tony Fields and JOK. They were targeting speed at LB'er. Catering to the NFL as a passing league. Some of us were mildly concerned whether we would be able to stop the run well enough. Now, with our neglected interior DLine being exposed as swinging gates, the LB'ers are having trouble with blockers coming at them. And it's horrendous when Clowney is out.
JOK has been out of late and Anthony Walker was/is a major loss to the run D.
Now, I said that the IDL was neglected...which is technically not true. They drafted the guys that are starting. And the theory was that THIS was going to be their year to show their value. And it has. They're backups. - Back to the drawing board.
....I'm going to add Tia's guy Winfrey here. Berry just drafted him. I haven't liked him since held out on signing his contract. Everybody else signed relatively quickly. But not him. And he's a 4th rounder. I don't like that attitude from a guy who's never played a down in the NFL. He was a healthy scratch again and one of the guys on The Fan radio said that it was disciplinary. The dope! And we needed him to be a good addition to the IDL!
It's hard to find the two traits in one guy.
We noticed this right off the bat with their drafting of Tony Fields and JOK. They were targeting speed at LB'er. Catering to the NFL as a passing league. Some of us were mildly concerned whether we would be able to stop the run well enough. Now, with our neglected interior DLine being exposed as swinging gates, the LB'ers are having trouble with blockers coming at them. And it's horrendous when Clowney is out.
JOK has been out of late and Anthony Walker was/is a major loss to the run D.
Now, I said that the IDL was neglected...which is technically not true. They drafted the guys that are starting. And the theory was that THIS was going to be their year to show their value. And it has. They're backups. - Back to the drawing board.
....I'm going to add Tia's guy Winfrey here. Berry just drafted him. I haven't liked him since held out on signing his contract. Everybody else signed relatively quickly. But not him. And he's a 4th rounder. I don't like that attitude from a guy who's never played a down in the NFL. He was a healthy scratch again and one of the guys on The Fan radio said that it was disciplinary. The dope! And we needed him to be a good addition to the IDL!
I get this feeling Perrion Winfrey is addicted to drugs... He acts like a goofball
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Went back to watch how the Steelers and jets did it.
It's funny because the opening drive from MIa v PIT was damn near the same as it was against the Browns. The misdirection and RPO the dolphins mix in means that when the Steelers dialed up their early down fire pressures (3 deep, 3 under) MIA was ready with a hard counter. Exactly the same thing happened against CLE. Difference between the Steelers got away from those looks earlier, Cam Heyward showed up with some well timed redzone stops and the dolphins were forced to kick field goals the entire 2nd half.
The Browns and Woods got way from those fire looks a little too late. And then when we went to man coverage, we just weren't up to the task for our DBs and LB's to hold up. Toss in the lack of pressure at Tua's face... it hurts to watch.
The Jets on the other hand did a good job getting pressure across the entire defensive front and mixed up their looks well because of that. The MIA running game wasn't allowed to compliment because the NYJ linebackers did a good job getting into gaps and getting TFL, TFNG. And the Jets DBs had a good day collectively.
I know I've said this before, after the Jets played week 2 and the Browns game week 3, but holy shit is sauce gardner good. If I had a vote, he'd be getting a pro bowl nod from me as a rookie. Champ Bailey is my favorite corner, the guy had it all - size, wingspan, speed, quickness, strength, technique and I.Q. Sauce has the early makings of looking like Champ 2.0. I genuinely believe he has that kind of talent and drive. And no, I don't think it's too early to say that he's playing like one of the very best corners in the NFL.
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