DA definitely has better rapport with Braylon Edwards
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Your stud WR has to have more than 1 catch for 2yds if you're gonna have any chance of success. Edwards had 1 catch on a tipped ball no less, and a nice td reception that was reversed previously. Quinn was dumping and dinking all day. hope this is not a sign of things to come.
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BE was also targeted deep on the Quinn pick (if you believe BE, he says it was his fault). BE also dropped a couple of balls (including a deeper play where he dropped it when he hit the ground). It wasn't like he wasn't targeted all day.
CLE took some shots down field and everything wasn't dink and dunk. CLE tried to go short, medium, and long. Now the rhyme and reason for the spots they chose each for is certainly in question.
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Your stud WR has to have more than 1 catch for 2yds if you're gonna have any chance of success. Edwards had 1 catch on a tipped ball no less, and a nice td reception that was reversed previously. Quinn was dumping and dinking all day. hope this is not a sign of things to come.
DA definitely has better rapport with Braylon Edwards.
Yeah, that was very apparent last season, wasn't it? Give me a break, will ya. In 2007 DA had Winslow, Edwards and Joe J. Also, how'd that chemistry work out against the Cowboys in the opener last season? Yeah, that's what I thought.
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What bothered me about the QB competition is that if Quinn was going to start, he really needed all the snaps to establish chemistry with his receivers. We've already been told that Quinn had the fewest number of snaps among non injured starters in the league--and with a new coach and a new offense.
Several of the wrap-up commentators last night mentioned in passing that the interception was a 'timing issue' that would be corrected as everyone gets used to each other. "Timing issues" should have been addressed in training camp, but Mangini was too hung up on giving half the snaps away in the competition.
Counterproductive.
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@shepwrite said:
Quinn threw two great deep balls down the left sideline to BE that just didn't work out. On one, BE didn't reestablish himself in the field of play and on the other he dropped it.The Quinn INT was also a deep fade to BE.
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He caught the one ball (the reversed TD) off his shoes-strings. horrible pass. On the INT, there was practically no safety down the middle, with the defender not even close to BE's outside hip. That ball could have been bulleted in to BE or it could have been launched deep down the seam, allowing BE to run under it ... instead, it was thrown deep outside where only the defender had a chance to make a play on it.
On many other routes, we had open receivers down the seam and we dinked it. In that third quarter where we really needed a spark, who better to get the ball into their hands than Josh Cribbs? I focused on Cribbs route running for an entire quarter, and Brady never even looked his way. Finally tossing him a pre-determined 6yrd out on 3rd-&-10.
That was one of the worst QB'ed NFL games I've ever seen. So vanilia that I took my daughter to Dairy Queen afterwards and they asked, "Would you like Chocolate or Brady Quinn Ice cream with that sundae?"
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He caught the one ball (the reversed TD) off his shoes-strings. horrible pass. On the INT, there was practically no safety down the middle, with the defender not even close to BE's outside hip. That ball could have been bulleted in to BE or it could have been launched deep down the seam, allowing BE to run under it ... instead, it was thrown deep outside where only the defender had a chance to make a play on it.
On many other routes, we had open receivers down the seam and we dinked it. In that third quarter where we really needed a spark, who better to get the ball into their hands than Josh Cribbs? I focused on Cribbs route running for an entire quarter, and Brady never even looked his way. Finally tossing him a pre-determined 6yrd out on 3rd-&-10.
That was one of the worst QB'ed NFL games I've ever seen. So vanilia that I took my daughter to Dairy Queen afterwards and they asked, "Would you like Chocolate or Brady Quinn Ice cream with that sundae?"
He caught the one ball (the reversed TD) off his shoes-strings. horrible pass. On the INT, there was no safety down the middle, with the defender not even close to BE's outside hip. That ball could have been bulleted in to BE or it could have been lqaunched deep down the seam, allowing BE to run under it ... instead, it was thrown deep outside where only the defender had a chance to make a play on it.
On many other routes, we had open receivers down the seam and we dinked it. In that third quarter where we really needed a spark, who better to get the ball into their hands than Josh Cribbs? I focused on Cribbs route running for an entire quarter, and Brady never even looked his way. Finally tossing him a pre-determined 6yrd out on 3rd-&-10.
That was one of the worst QB'ed NFL games I've ever seen. So vanilia that I took my daughter to Dairy Queen afterwards and they asked, "Would you like Chocolate or Brady Quinn Ice cream with that sundae?"
He isn't catching that off his shoe strings if he isn't shoved out of bounds to his left and has to come back in bounds (shortest distance between two points is a straight line, you don't get to the same location if you are moved off your path and slowed down by it, which BE was).
BE had his window to get to the outside, and outside is the correct call on that play. BE did a double move. BE even says today he should have taken the route to the outside.
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@shepwrite said:
Quinn threw two great deep balls down the left sideline to BE that just didn't work out. On one, BE didn't reestablish himself in the field of play and on the other he dropped it.he threw a beautiful deep ball to Vikings DB Cedric Griffin. Griffin came open from Braylon Edwards and Quinn placed it perfectly over his shoulder.
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He caught the one ball (the reversed TD) off his shoes-strings. horrible pass. On the INT, there was no safety down the middle, with the defender not even close to BE's outside hip. That ball could have been bulleted in to BE or it could have been lqaunched deep down the seam, allowing BE to run under it ... instead, it was thrown deep outside where only the defender had a chance to make a play on it.
On many other routes, we had open receivers down the seam and we dinked it. In that third quarter where we really needed a spark, who better to get the ball into their hands than Josh Cribbs? I focused on Cribbs route running for an entire quarter, and Brady never even looked his way. Finally tossing him a pre-determined 6yrd out on 3rd-&-10.
That was one of the worst QB'ed NFL games I've ever seen. So vanilia that I took my daughter to Dairy Queen afterwards and they asked, "Would you like Chocolate or Brady Quinn Ice cream with that sundae?"
He isn't catching that off his shoe strings if he isn't shoved out of bounds to his left and has to come back in bounds (shortest distance between two points is a straight line, you don't get to the same location if you are moved off your path and slowed down by it, which BE was).
BE had his window to get to the outside, and outside is the correct call on that play. BE did a double move. BE even says today he should have taken the route to the outside.
Masters said:
He isn't catching that off his shoe strings if he isn't shoved out of bounds to his left and has to come back in bounds (shortest distance between two points is a straight line, you don't get to the same location if you are moved off your path and slowed down by it, which BE was).So the shortest distance between two points is a straightline, so by him going off-course and out of bounds, it caused the pass to be under-thrown? Had no one altered BE's course, he would have ran out of the back of the endzone, while Quinn's pass dropped short of the goalline.
Masters said:
BE had his window to get to the outside, and outside is the correct call on that play. BE did a double move. BE even says today he should have taken the route to the outside.Why would he turn to the outside and into his coverage? the middle was wide open, it was an easy pass. The only dumb place you could have thrown that pass was where BQ threw it. Read the freaking coverage! He threw to predetermined spots and never read shit. He was horrible to sit here and defend his play is being a Brady Quinn fag. As a Browns fan, I don't care who is QB'ing, as long as it ain't that asshole in the #10 jersey next Sunday, he sucked.
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Quinn was also about to try a deep ball in the 3rd quarter when he wound up and the ball slipped out.
However I think if he had the opportunity to hold onto the ball, he may have thrown the ball down the field in a forward direction.
It's hard to judge him since he didn't get a good opportunity there. I think he should get a pass on that one. Wipe it from the record books just like his entire 2008 debacle.
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Lum I dont think Brady is our solution which is well noted... but screw you he is still a brown I am not happy with losing and his problems but you are taking joy in a BROWNS debacle.
truthfully I dont think that Int was his Fault, he played like crap but this is a TEAM game.... go root for your Oregan Beavers or Ducks. The Nfl does not care what program a player comes from when its game time, the TEAM is all that matters.
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Masters said:
He isn't catching that off his shoe strings if he isn't shoved out of bounds to his left and has to come back in bounds (shortest distance between two points is a straight line, you don't get to the same location if you are moved off your path and slowed down by it, which BE was).So the shortest distance between two points is a straightline, so by him going off-course and out of bounds, it caused the pass to be under-thrown? Had no one altered BE's course, he would have ran out of the back of the endzone, while Quinn's pass dropped short of the goalline.
Masters said:
BE had his window to get to the outside, and outside is the correct call on that play. BE did a double move. BE even says today he should have taken the route to the outside.Why would he turn to the outside and into his coverage? the middle was wide open, it was an easy pass. The only dumb place you could have thrown that pass was where BQ threw it. Read the freaking coverage! He threw to predetermined spots and never read shit. He was horrible to sit here and defend his play is being a Brady Quinn fag. As a Browns fan, I don't care who is QB'ing, as long as it ain't that asshole in the #10 jersey next Sunday, he sucked.
So the shortest distance between two points is a straightline, so by him going off-course and out of bounds, it caused the pass to be under-thrown? Had no one altered BE's course, he would have ran out of the back of the endzone, while Quinn's pass dropped short of the goalline.
Why would he turn to the outside and into his coverage? the middle was wide open, it was an easy pass. The only dumb place you could have thrown that pass was where BQ threw it. Read the freaking coverage! He threw to predetermined spots and never read shit. He was horrible to sit here and defend his play is being a Brady Quinn fag. As a Browns fan, I don't care who is QB'ing, as long as it ain't that asshole in the #10 jersey next Sunday, he sucked.
No, it caused it to be a shoe string catch. We are talking fractions of a second here, not whole seconds. No shove and it is in stride.
Because that was the read/check at the line (BE is even saying he should have gone outside on that play). BE had the position to get to the outside as the defender bought the in move. He did read the coverage, it was man to man on the outside.
I am not defending Quinn's day as a whole. He didn't play well. But jesus, pick at the things that are all on him, not the ones where his own WR says he ran the wrong route.
You are certainly a Browns fan, to the truest meaning that the term fan comes from.
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@jadbf said:
Well in defense he's really interested in the letters he gets from the team in the offseasonYeah, sometimes the envelope even contains tickets to every home game. And occasionally I go.
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DA definitely has better rapport with Braylon Edwards.
Yeah, that was very apparent last season, wasn't it? Give me a break, will ya. In 2007 DA had Winslow, Edwards and Joe J. Also, how'd that chemistry work out against the Cowboys in the opener last season? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Yeah, that was very apparent last season, wasn't it? Give me a break, will ya. In 2007 DA had Winslow, Edwards and Joe J. Also, how'd that chemistry work out against the Cowboys in the opener last season? Yeah, that's what I thought.
On the opener last year, both DA and BE had just come off 3 weeks of no practice. You've treated last year as though the full team was healthy from day one on numerous cases, it's not the case. Anyways, one game (this year or last) just doesn't matter. I'm reserving comment on Quinn's passing for 2-3 games.
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So the shortest distance between two points is a straightline, so by him going off-course and out of bounds, it caused the pass to be under-thrown? Had no one altered BE's course, he would have ran out of the back of the endzone, while Quinn's pass dropped short of the goalline.
Why would he turn to the outside and into his coverage? the middle was wide open, it was an easy pass. The only dumb place you could have thrown that pass was where BQ threw it. Read the freaking coverage! He threw to predetermined spots and never read shit. He was horrible to sit here and defend his play is being a Brady Quinn fag. As a Browns fan, I don't care who is QB'ing, as long as it ain't that asshole in the #10 jersey next Sunday, he sucked.
No, it caused it to be a shoe string catch. We are talking fractions of a second here, not whole seconds. No shove and it is in stride.
Because that was the read/check at the line (BE is even saying he should have gone outside on that play). BE had the position to get to the outside as the defender bought the in move. He did read the coverage, it was man to man on the outside.
I am not defending Quinn's day as a whole. He didn't play well. But jesus, pick at the things that are all on him, not the ones where his own WR says he ran the wrong route.
You are certainly a Browns fan, to the truest meaning that the term fan comes from.
Masters said:
No, it caused it to be a shoe string catch. We are talking fractions of a second here, not whole seconds. No shove and it is in stride.Take a look honey,
, it is at about the 1:07 mark in that video ... you mean to tell me that if BE wasn't pushed out of bounds that he wouldn't have had to reach behind himself and catch the ball off his feet? Seriously? -
Lum I dont think Brady is our solution which is well noted... but screw you he is still a brown I am not happy with losing and his problems but you are taking joy in a BROWNS debacle.
truthfully I dont think that Int was his Fault, he played like crap but this is a TEAM game.... go root for your Oregan Beavers or Ducks. The Nfl does not care what program a player comes from when its game time, the TEAM is all that matters.
Lum I dont think Brady is our solution which is well noted... but screw you he is still a brown I am not happy with losing and his problems but you are taking joy in a BROWNS debacle.
I only want what's best for the team. In this case that means letting everyone know that Brady Quinn does not belong on the football field.
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Masters said:
No, it caused it to be a shoe string catch. We are talking fractions of a second here, not whole seconds. No shove and it is in stride.Take a look honey,
, it is at about the 1:07 mark in that video ... you mean to tell me that if BE wasn't pushed out of bounds that he wouldn't have had to reach behind himself and catch the ball off his feet? Seriously?Take a look honey, , it is at about the 1:07 mark in that video ... you mean to tell me that if BE wasn't pushed out of bounds that he wouldn't have had to reach behind himself and catch the ball off his feet? Seriously?
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. It's fractions of a second, which is enough to turn a in stirde play to shoe strings.
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On that same Youtube highlites, see 2:50 into the video, in fact pause it as Quinn releases the pass and tell me where BE is in relation to his coverage. In fact, listen to the announcer call it a "Horrible pass" just as he launches it.
Ahhh ... yeah, clearly BE's fault all the way ... what a joke.
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On that same Youtube highlites, see 2:50 into the video, in fact pause it as Quinn releases the pass and tell me where BE is in relation to his coverage. In fact, listen to the announcer call it a "Horrible pass" just as he launches it.
Ahhh ... yeah, clearly BE's fault all the way ... what a joke.
In fact, listen to the announcer call it a "Horrible pass" just as he launches it.
I also noticed that both announcers called the pick as the ball left his hand.
If BE said it was on him he is covering Quinn's ass for the sake of the organization. The organization is in full coddle mode for Quinnie.
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I already looked at the 2:50 mark. What do you see coming from the right side of your screen? Oh yes, the saftey that was in the middle. It's why BE is supposed bust it straight up toward the sideline.
Yeah, Jim Donavan called it a bad throw. It's funny that guys that actually play in the NFL (BE and Quinn) are telling you the WR ran the wrong route. It's also why the former NFL coach calling the game for FOX (Asshole) talked about it immediately and said he thinks the WR ran the wrong route.
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